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Hayman's Old Tom Gin

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FriendOfTheDevil Oct 11, 2011 02:39 PM

Wow! I love this stuff!!

I have been kind of hooked on Hendricks and looking for others to try. I had never had an "Old Tom" style.

So now my question is, do I love the "style"? Or is it the "Hayman's"? The guy who checked me out commented that he loved the Hayman's.

I'm going to have lots of fun finding out I think.

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  1. EvergreenDan RE: FriendOfTheDevil Oct 11, 2011 04:48 PM

    If you love Hendrick's, then Ransom (the only other widely available Old Tom that I know of) will be a shock. Ransom is a very challenging, highly botanical gin. I'd try to sample it somewhere before trying a whole bottle.

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      ncyankee101 RE: EvergreenDan Oct 11, 2011 09:59 PM

      I tried a very small sample of the Ransom at a restaurant recently, maybe a half ounce - and I thought it was very interesting and would love to try a bottle sometime, but it is a good bit more expensive ($10) than Hayman's which I plan to order on my next online order. (NC has no Old Toms or Genevers as regular stock items.)

      How much difference is there between Old Toms and genevers? I have heard very good things about Bols Genever but it also is a little pricey. I have seen Boomsma Jongen and Oude online for $15 and $17, but I haven't been able to find any reviews of them. The Bols is around $35 (same as the Ransom,)

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        yarm RE: ncyankee101 Oct 12, 2011 06:41 AM

        The differences between the 3 Genevers is the amount of malt. Jonge has the least at under 15% malt wine (pre-distillation) so they taste closer to a grain-forward vodka (with juniper and other botanicals added). Oude needs to be at least 15% so it can be more like a robust jonge or it could be as rich a product as an white whiskey (plus botanical notes). The Bols Genever product takes the oude style and pushes it to korenwijn style which is over 50% malt wine in the distillation tank so it has a robust malt aroma and the malt comes through on the sip.

        Some Genevers are barrel aged but that has nothing to do with oude or jonge. The Boomsma Oude and Bols are both aged spirits. Jonge might a good first step up from Old Tom (many Genevers are sweetened with sugar like Old Tom is) although the Boomsma Oude is not all that extreme. The Bols Genever is closer to a junipered whiskey though. We have all 3 but I usually just reach for the Bols to get the malt bomb. The Bols does have a strange bitter note at the end that we surmise is wormwood -- and it only comes more forward with dilution.

        Bols makes many Genevers but they choose only to export this one and an extra barrel-aged one (available some places, just released).

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          ncyankee101 RE: yarm Oct 12, 2011 10:29 AM

          Thanks for the very detailed answer Yarm, very informative,

          Drinkupny has the aged Bols at $51, whereas the regular genever is $33. Hitime wine in Cali has the great prices on the Boomsma.

          I have also heard good things about the Anchor genever, what is your opinion of that one?>

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            yarm RE: ncyankee101 Oct 12, 2011 10:56 AM

            Technically, you can't call it a Genever (it's a region specific term like Cognac) but I'm guessing you can call it Genever-style or other, but it is rather good. Maltier than Boomsma Oude but not as much so as Bols. Lacks that bitter note that Bols has and has a richer botanical flavor than the others (I recall it being a little spicier).

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              ncyankee101 RE: yarm Oct 12, 2011 11:18 AM

              That's true, it's actually Anchor Genevieve Genever-style gin.

              I'll probably just start with Hayman's and one of the Boomsma products and work my way up from there.

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            ncyankee101 RE: yarm May 2, 2012 11:09 AM

            Yarm - another question on gins, how would you contrast Ransom Old Tom and Bols Barrel-aged? I have an opportunity to get them for about the same price (planning to buy one). From your last post you make it sound as though all the Genevers are a step up from Old Toms, I assume you meant richer / maltier.

            Hayman's is still the only one I have tasted, other than the very small sample I had of Ransom after dinner once.

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            FriendOfTheDevil RE: ncyankee101 Oct 13, 2011 12:31 PM

            The Hayman's was $22 in St. Louis.

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              ncyankee101 RE: FriendOfTheDevil Oct 13, 2011 12:46 PM

              That seems like a very good price, the two online retailers I have seen who stock hayman's have it priced at $26-27.

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                FriendOfTheDevil RE: ncyankee101 Oct 17, 2011 08:48 AM

                Lukas Liquors is a *big box* store and I find most of their prices to be pretty sharp.

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            Poindexter RE: EvergreenDan Nov 9, 2011 10:28 AM

            The Ransom Old Tom is terrific! Makes a mean Martinez and a meaner Pegu Club cocktail.

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            ncyankee101 RE: FriendOfTheDevil Oct 28, 2011 12:01 AM

            I got my bottle of Hayman's the other day and just opened it - and I have to say I like this stuff a lot. I don't know if I'll be able to bring myself to mix it as good as it is neat. '

            1. PoppiYYZ RE: FriendOfTheDevil Mar 4, 2013 03:00 PM

              Bump, bump.

              Ransom Old Tom Gin Cocktail : "The Thomas".

              Equal parts honey and lemon juice, 3 oz Ransom Old Tom, shake in ice (think of a whiskey sour while performing this task), pour in a glass containing a few cubes of ice, and add a splash of Champagne (or Cava).

              Special thanks to Balthazar NYC for this wonderful creation.

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                ncyankee101 RE: PoppiYYZ Mar 4, 2013 11:15 PM

                Uh - we need more info than that, "equal parts honey and lemon juice" could mean an ounce of each or a cup of each.

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                  PoppiYYZ RE: ncyankee101 Mar 5, 2013 08:20 AM

                  I left it to your own judgement. Personally I like smaller, stronger drinks so I use equal parts mix to liquor. So for two drinks :

                  1.5oz lemon,
                  1.5oz honey,
                  3 oz OTG,
                  ice, shake, splash Champagne,...

                  I found cutting the honey made it too sour for my taste, but some may like it that way.

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                    EvergreenDan RE: PoppiYYZ Mar 5, 2013 10:45 AM

                    I'm not sure how 6oz of ingredients into the tin, plus a splash can be considered "small". I'd say that serves two.

                    Yes, on another forum I posted that it is really Ransom Flavored Whiskey. Coincidentally I had Ransom Perfect Negroni again last night. Just wonderful, and I'm not one to repeat drinks too frequently.

                    1 oz Ransom
                    1 oz Campari
                    1/2 oz Punt e Mes
                    1/2 oz Boissiere dry vermouth
                    expressed and dropped orange peel. Rocks.

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                      JMF RE: EvergreenDan Mar 5, 2013 11:49 AM

                      Poppi said it was for two drinks...

              2. Delucacheesemonger RE: FriendOfTheDevil Mar 9, 2013 08:21 AM

                l currently have three gins in stock, Old Raj 110 proof, Junipero, and Ransom Old tom. Love them all. Ransom for sipping, Old Raj for martinis, and Junipero for G&T. Have not tried the Hayman yet.

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