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bakersjoe Apr 16, 2006 12:40 PM

There are no truly authentic Buffalo wings in California. Period. Search the chowhound boards for yourself and see if you disagree with me. I have traveled all over this state and tried wings everywhere. If you can prove me wrong (and I sincerely hope you can), please post a reply.

I lived in Atlanta for a decade while in school, and basically subsisted on Buffalo wings. I took it for granted that if you wanted to watch the Braves or any big game, you could go get REAL wings and an unlimited beer selection at any one of the local chains like Three Dollar Cafe or Taco Mac. When I moved to California 9 years ago, I was pleased by the availability of all types of food, from haute cuisine to holes-in-the-walls. But nobody makes a buffalo wing properly!

A quick LA/SF area chowhound search was pathetic. If you're considering suggesting Hooters or El Torito or Tony Romas, don't bother to post. If you think ranch is appropriate to even be offered as an alternative to bleu cheese, then you just don't know -- please don't bother to post. I could write a dissertation on why bleu cheese (and celery) is the only proper complement to Buffalo wings.

I found this post by jupiter, from way back in 2002. It is encouraging, because I feel the EXACT same thing. Just replace Boston with Atlanta, and I could have written it -- every single word. With proper credit and thanks to jupiter, I would like to plagiarize, er... re-post it here:

"Hi all,
I am an east coast transplant from Boston, and one of the very few things i have been [not] able to find since i moved here (aside from a good fried clam) is Buffalo Wings! isnt' that crazy? In Boston they are plentiful and almost every bar serves them and they are almost all cooked the same way and served with COPIOUS amounts of Beer.
They are good and hot and delicious and apparently not anywhere to be found in this town. Now, if you are from San Francisco, or the bay area, i do not expect you to respond, cause the buffalo wings they have in this town ,are NOTHING like what they serve in most bars back east. The wings here are more salty and sour than they are hot. They are not deep fried, and they are never served with real blue cheese dressing, they always seem to come with Ranch dressing instead.
I have been searching for good wings since i got here and my husband thinks i am insane, since i order them at almost any place that has them on the menu, and they always suck, but i am determined and convinced that there must be a place in this town that does them right.
So.... if any one reading this has felt this same frustration, and knows what it is i am looking for, and knows where to find it, then please, let me know!
i will name a few places in Boston that live up to par of the type of wing i am looking for (for those of you that are out here from boston and might be familiar with this sort of thing) Wing it, Sunset Grill, The common ground pub (remarkably, all of these places are within a one block radius of each other)

ok, i am done,
thanks in advance,
jupiter"

The reason this is so urgent now, is that my wife (who is from Atlanta) is pregnant and is craving wings. We are going back to Atlanta next month.

Please help!
bakersjoe

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    Christine RE: bakersjoe Apr 16, 2006 01:20 PM

    In a previous job incarnation, I had to travel to Buffalo every five weeks. Had my fill of wings from the Anchor Bar, to be sure.

    Ye Rustic Inn in Los Feliz has a pretty damn good version, true to its origins. Owners are from Buffalo. They even have weck rolls flown in.

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      Jack Flash RE: Christine Apr 17, 2006 01:07 AM

      Ye Rustic Inn. Definitely.

      I've never been to Buffalo so I really can't comment on the authenticity, but they're damn good, and they match the descriptions I've read of authentic Buffalo wings.

      The Rustic is pretty much a neighborhood dive-type bar. But they're quite competent in the kitchen...MUCH more so than you would expect.

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        djdebs RE: Jack Flash Apr 17, 2006 01:15 PM

        I've never posted before, but this little string on my hometown specialty inspired me.

        I'm from Buffalo, and I'd definitely say Ye Rustic not only has the best chicken wings (that's what we call 'em in Bflo) in town, but they're also very authentic! In fact, on a good day they beat the Anchor Bar wings in my book -- although in my opinion, nothing compares to Duff's (the other main Buffalo spot for wings which seems to be less famous outside of Buffalo -- people in Buffalo have an ongoing Anchor Bar/Duff's debate about which one's better). Plus, it's a great place to hang out.

        To the original poster: it actually sounds pretty silly to say that Atlanta has the greatest authentic Buffalo wings. If you're looking for the best Atlanta version of Buffalo wings in Los Angeles, I have no idea how to help you. But if you're looking for the best Buffalo wings in L.A., check out Ye Rustic Inn. But maybe relax a little before you stop by -- we like to keep it low key and friendly there.

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          WildSwede RE: djdebs Apr 17, 2006 02:12 PM

          When I go to Rustic, I order the wings cooked well done with extra, extra ("extra saucy") of the hottest sauce - then get to lickin' my fingers!

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            dood RE: WildSwede Apr 20, 2006 01:04 AM

            Hoagies and Wings. Please try Hoagies and wings. I've been to the anchor bar. I've been to Duffs. I make my own. Hoagies and Wings are great! Just East of Fairfax on Venice.

            Link: http://hoagiesandwings.com

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              WildSwede RE: dood Apr 20, 2006 11:42 AM

              It is on my list! Promise! I will go! ;-)

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            Christine RE: djdebs Apr 17, 2006 02:28 PM

            I really liked the wings at Shannon's pub in the otherwise dreadful hotel near the airport in Tonawanda. I had to stay there more times than I want to recall, and therefore have put the name out of my mind. I understand the hotel is gone. Hopefully Shannon's has relocated; seemed pretty popular.

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              bakersjoe RE: djdebs Apr 19, 2006 01:29 AM

              djdebs, your post made me laugh out loud, and I really do appreciate the tips. No I have not been to Buffalo. I do know a couple of people that used to live in Buffalo (one while I was in Atlanta, one in LA who traveled with me to Atlanta), and they confirmed the "authenticity" of the Atlanta versions.

              (If you read carefully, I don't exactly claim Atlanta has the GREATEST authentic Buffalo wings. But they are great and authentic. I know I'm coming across as being anal-retentive and snobby -- but hey, isn't that what it means to be a chowhound, to have only the highest standards for our food?)

              It sounded to me like Boston also has great and authentic Buffalo wings. The places jupiter mentioned are on my to-eat-at list. Furthermore, I am already planning a pilgrimage to your home town this summer. I would love to join the Anchor-Duffs debate.

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            bakersjoe RE: Christine Apr 24, 2006 02:42 AM

            Went there tonight. You chowhounds rock!

            Went there Sunday evening. I thought I saw Gwen Stefani getting in a limo as we pulled in. Forgot to ask the waitress if it was her. The wings were too good, they got all my attention!

            Fine points:
            (1) Perfect size. If they're too small, they get overcooked; if they're too big, the flavor gets unbalanced.
            (2) Numbers of drums and wings were in proper balance. Both were properly cooked. This was actually better than my favorite places in Atlanta, where they tended to overcook drums slightly and undercook wings slightly.
            (3) Consistency was perfect. Fried enough to be crispy. No burning. Not a single one! This was the most impressive point to me.
            (4) The sauce was on the mild side. But the key was that the wings were hot without being drenched in extra sauce.
            (5) Bleu cheese was properly thick.
            (6) Plentiful celery. This is important to me because my pregnant wife is craving celery. (Plus my kids love the WonderPets, who love their celery-bration. Okay, lame, but I know somebody out there can identify with me.)

            Lest you think I am an easy grader, see the link (below) for my review of a San Diego wings experience.

            Will be returning soon to get the confirmatory experience (hopefully). Still have to try Hoagies and Wings. Also, the Pasadena location of Hot Wings Cafe.

            Somebody has been touting a place called Rubicon in Sacramento. Will have to call my friends in Davis. ("Hey haven't seen ya'll in a while! What? Oh yeah sure we'd love to come visit...")

            Link: http://www.chowhound.com/topics/show/...

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              hungryone RE: bakersjoe Apr 24, 2006 07:08 PM

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                hungryone RE: bakersjoe Apr 24, 2006 07:08 PM

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                  hewn RE: bakersjoe Sep 18, 2006 12:21 AM

                  Rubicon's wings - their regular tangy wings, and their very spicy wings - are good, but I'm not sure how authentically Buffalo they are. They're cheap, too.

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                Dan-o RE: bakersjoe Apr 16, 2006 01:21 PM

                There are no truely authentic tacos in Atlanta. They got wings, we got tacos, get over it.

                I've had some good wings down on Crenshaw Blvd. I don't know if you would consider them "authentic" but they tasted good to me. I forgot the name of the place, maybe someone elese can comment. If not, take a drive down and try a few wing eateries.

                The other thing is that you can make them very easily yourself; it's so easy people from Atlanta can do it. Recipies abound on the 'net.

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                  TOgirl RE: bakersjoe Apr 16, 2006 02:14 PM

                  If you need to satisfy the craving, I suggest ordering wings direct from the Anchor Bar in Buffalo. They may be the most expensive wings you've ever bought, but they are definitely worth every penny.

                  Link: http://www.anchorbar.com/

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                    kevin RE: bakersjoe Apr 17, 2006 06:23 PM

                    has anyone tried the wings at the Buffalo club (used to be Olympic Club) on Olympic and like 16th or 17th in Santa Monica.

                    i heard a few years back that they had the best wings in town,

                    and had a famed chef, patrick healy, i think as the e xecutire chef.

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                      dood RE: bakersjoe Apr 18, 2006 12:45 AM

                      There are great wings in LA. Hoagies and Wings, its on Venice between Fairfax and LaBrea. Get the wings crispy with the sauce on the side (they stay crispy and travel better this way). They are awesome!

                      Link: http://www.hoagiesandwings.com

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                        J RE: bakersjoe Apr 19, 2006 12:59 PM

                        I'm from Atlanta as well. I agree that you can get some yummy wings in town. I went to Ye Rustic Inn this past Monday night for the $12 pitcher of bud & dozen wings special. They were good, but they weren't quite what I was hoping for. I'd agree that LA has sucky wings, after coming up dissapointed on a recent 2 month long wingsquest.

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                          bakersjoe RE: J Apr 20, 2006 08:35 PM

                          Do you prefer Three Dollar Cafe or Taco Mac? I used to go to the Taco Mac in Virginia Highlands at least once a week. But I actually slightly prefered 3DC's wings.

                          Impressive, two months wings quest. By any chance have you found any place in San Diego for reasonable wings? I'll be there this weekend. Someone on the California board suggested a place on the beach called Liars Club.

                          I'm going to Ye Rustic tonight. Trying not to get my hopes up. I had some wings in Bakersfield (Tahoe Joe's) last night and they sucked. I asked for bleu cheese, and they gave me bleu cheese MIXED with ranch! Never seen that one before. Don't know if it was accidental or intentional, since it was takeout. Plus they were inadequately fried.

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                          Like-Go-Eat? RE: bakersjoe Apr 21, 2006 12:38 AM

                          What a minute. What does Atlanta and Boston have to do with authentic “Buffalo” (i.e., Buffilo, NY) Wings? I agree with the post rec the Anchor Bar (True “Original Home of “Buffilo Wings”). I been there several times and the original sauce is very good. Now they have gotten a little nuts with also offering something that is crazy Hot. Locally at Wings N Things in OC you can choose from a few levels of heat and the way they deep fry is the same as the Anchor Bar. What is just as important to me as the hot sauce is the cheese dipping sauce. I like the stuff you get at Wings N Things better than anyplace. Also try the Beef on Weck. When a place offers Beef on Weck then you know you are close to authentic NY. Also tryt the Buffalo Chips -- frozen but they are from Buffalo so thry must be frozen to stay so good.

                          Wings N Things Restaurant (Buffalo Wings – Mild, Hot, Extra Hot, Beyond Hot , Beef on Weck, Ribs, Buffalo Chips from the real Buffalo)
                          18302 Beach Blvd
                          Huntington Beach, CA 92648-1311
                          (714) 848-2767

                          Link: http://www.anchorbar.com/

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                            bakersjoe RE: Like-Go-Eat? Apr 24, 2006 02:18 AM

                            Okay let me clarify! My point is that the wings which originated in Buffalo are GREAT not because they are from Buffalo, but because of the recipe (ingredients, techniques, sides, etc.) they use, which happened to originate in Buffalo. If they originated in Topeka, they'd call 'em Topeka wings.

                            If you can duplicate that recipe with faithfulness, then it doesn't matter where you are. I have found that faithful duplication ("authentic") in Atlanta. The person whom I quoted obviously also found it in Boston. I had yet to find it in LA (or anywhere in California), so that's what led me to post my original message.

                            There was one response that poked fun at my "desire" for "the Atlanta version of Buffalo wings in LA." I laughed out loud at that clever post and appreciated it, but a witty response doesn't really nullify my point:
                            If wings that originated in Buffalo can be authentically reproduced in Boston and Atlanta (apparently at many locations), then it should be possible in LA (and elsewhere in California)!

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                              Crusader RE: Like-Go-Eat? Sep 29, 2006 09:04 PM

                              Wings N Things are the Best!
                              A buddy of mine introduced me to them when I lived in Southern CA. He was from Buffalo, and said Wings N Things were as good if not better than what they served in Buffalo. I agree, Ive been to both. I now live in the Sacramento CA area and have not been able to find anything close. Any suggestions.

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                              hungrymungry RE: bakersjoe Sep 8, 2006 05:29 PM

                              The title of this post, sadly, is absolutely correct. It's baffling, but the fact is, there are no great wings in CA.

                              I live around the corner from Ye Rustic Inn. They have good bar food, and the wings are definitely the best in the Silver Lake/Los Feliz area. But that's not saying much.

                              Been to Hoagies n' Wings, Hot Wings Cafe and a hundred other wing joints since I moved here four years ago. I've come to the sad conclusion that wings here are like pizza. Even the best can't compare to New York, or Philly, or even Boston.

                              In fact, on a recent trip to Boca Raton to visit the parents, my girlfriend and I found both wings (Chez Porky's, Mississipi Sweets) and pizza (Coal Mine) that absolutely destroyed anything we've found in all of LA county. That's BOCA RATON FLORIDA, folks. Not a hot culinary destination unless your passion is early-bird specials.

                              It makes me sad. It also makes no sense. LA has outstanding food and an enormous working-class population. People here love beer and sports. A truly great wing joint in Hollywood would have lines down the block. A truly great pizza joint would spark a new set of riots.

                              I would open a place myself but I have no money and I'm irresponsible. That's why I love wings and pizza, and can say with absolute authority that California is way behind in both departments.

                              On a side note - the bleu cheese/ranch issue is ridiculous. A lot of people think bleu cheese is disgusting, myself included. Even great wing joints typically only use bottled bleu cheese or ranch anyway. It's the buffalo sauce that counts.

                              In fact, while we're at it, the whole issue of "authenticity" is ridiculous when it comes to bar food like Buffalo wings. The point is not to make them taste like they're from upstate New York, the point is to make them taste good. I've had far better wings in southern restaurants, and even southern-style restaurants in New York, than anywhere else. Never been to Buffalo, but if the wings at Ye Rustic are authentic Buffalo wings, I can officially cross Buffalo off of my list, as I previously had no other reason to go there.

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                                bobbyperu RE: hungrymungry Sep 8, 2006 07:14 PM

                                Well, we are talking about "Buffalo" wings, not just hot wings/wings in general. So yes, for that style, if you like that sort of thing, Ye Rustic has the best in LA. I also agree with posters above that you've got to order them extra crispy/spicy, then they'll be perfect.

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                                  bakersjoe RE: hungrymungry Sep 30, 2006 05:46 AM

                                  Thanks hungrymungry for the vote of agreement regarding my title

                                  Bits and pieces...

                                  I agree mostly with hungrymungry. I went back to Ye Rustic hoping for confirmation and came away disappointed. The wings were under-fried. Now I did not ask for extra-fried, but I feel if a place wished to establish itself as a great wing establishment, it should do it right every time. Granted I don't think Ye Rustic has those aspirations. Those of you that have been there know what I mean.

                                  Agree with you too about Hoagies n' Wings and Hot Wings Cafe.

                                  Disagree vehemently about ranch/bleu cheese. Normally I agree with you that bleu cheese is nasty. But with Buffalo wings it's the only way to go. The Buffalo wing sauce is already very sour and acidic. You need the more creamy and alkaline essence of bleu cheese to complement Buffalo wing sauce. I personally cannot fathom eating a Three Mile Island wing or Crazy Hot wing or Atomic wing without bleu cheese. I never eat bleu cheese with anything else. For example, potato wedges are much better with ranch, because the tartness of ranch creates more palate interest than bland old potatoes. They make ranch flavored potato chips, not bleu cheese potato chips.

                                  I'm not at all surprised that Boca Raton has "better" (in the sense of being more authentic) wings and pizza than LA. Boca is basically a bunch of yankee retirees/snowbirds living in Florida, so the wing and pizza recipes have been successfully imported. Doesn't it seem that if the proper recipe can be imported to Boston, Atlanta, and south Florida, that it should be possible in LA? How many yankee transplants are now in LA?

                                  If you opened a Buffalo wing place in Hollywood, what would you call it? (Buffalo Wing Nazi?) Some day perhaps I will open one. I promise not to use bottled bleu cheese.

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                                    Cinnamon RE: bakersjoe Mar 15, 2007 09:24 PM

                                    Born in Fla., lived in NY, reside in L.A.

                                    Yes the wings are best in Florida, generally at oyster bars.

                                    But you can't find a decent fish taco there. And by the way, cilantro... has cilantro made its way east yet? I never knew what it was until I moved here. But I miss the humidity.

                                    The only place I've had decent wings in California was, bizarrely, at the Eureka airport. We got two orders. They still weren't as good as Florida, but hey.

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                                  OliveBelle RE: bakersjoe Sep 8, 2006 07:42 PM

                                  THERE ARE GREAT WINGS IN LOS ANGELES!

                                  They may not be exactly Buffalo style, and I do realize what the topic here is, but there is a place that serves up some of the best little hot wings period. No matter what state.

                                  Go to the clubhouse restaurant at the Griffith Park Golf Course (Wilson Harding)

                                  They also serve beer in a huge frosty GOBLET.

                                  Please. Somebody here give it a go and prove me right.

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                                    hungrymungry RE: OliveBelle Sep 15, 2006 04:26 AM

                                    I was very happy to read this reply. The Griffith Park Golf Course is right up the street from my house, and as stated, any true conniseur of Buffalo Wings is also irresponsible and lazy. I will take you up on the suggestion and report back post-haste.

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                                    kjs RE: bakersjoe Sep 29, 2006 09:45 PM

                                    as some have written on this subject and others - we have some decent wings in la, we have great pizza, we have great burgers, great hot dogs ....we have great food, but it's la food !! if you want buffalo wings, go to buffalo, if you want ny pizza, go to ny, if you want a chicago dog - go to chicago, if you want a ny bagel - go to ny...etc

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                                      drummstikk RE: kjs Jul 5, 2012 10:40 PM

                                      kjs,

                                      Here's the idea: some foods are so good and unique that they change the way people think about food. Examples include New York pizza, L.A. kalbi, and Buffalo wings. These foods are generally copied outside of their home region, because they're so good.

                                      When you make one of these foods, you really need to copy it exactly, or add a significant innovation. For example, Chicago pizza is so very different from New York pizza, that it's great in its own right. Clearly, people in Chicago are not trying to reproduce the East Coast version of pizza -- they've invented their own style.

                                      Buffalo wings in California are different, as you pointed out, but not in innovative ways. Breading is added. Blue Cheese is replaced with Ranch. Why? California wings are not that different from Buffalo wings. But California wings are not an attempt to copy the recipe that made wings famous, either. As a result, the small changes come across as mistakes rather than innovations.

                                      When you go to Buffalo, you won't be able to find a good Al Pastor taco. But you will be able to find a bunch of "Mexican" restaurants serving stewed pork in reheated crispy taco shells with onions. Are these simply Buffalo-style tacos? No way! They are terrible, awful mistakes -- failed attempts to reproduce a great food you can get almost anywhere in LA.

                                      As soon as a New Yorker goes to LA once and eats at a taqueria, they'll immediately know that they've been eating something that's wrong back home. The same would be true if you visited the East Coast and had wings.

                                      Change begins with you.

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                                        echoparkdirt RE: drummstikk Jul 6, 2012 03:52 AM

                                        I must agree with OP -- we are sorely missing out on genuine buffalo wings. i am one of the rare folks that think the Ye Rustic wings are barely edible. Agree with those who like Hot Wings in Pasadena and Melrose. They are almost there.
                                        Then again, we have KyoChon chicken wings, which are amazing.

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                                          bakersjoe RE: drummstikk Jul 22, 2012 08:50 AM

                                          Hats off to drummstikk for an insightful, eloquent, and persuasive post! This should be required reading for everyone who opens a new Buffalo wing establishment -- or for that matter, anyone who attempts anything in life that people with discernment will recognize as "authentic."

                                          Gratifying to see a post that I started 6 years ago is still helping people. Funny that it coincides with another pregnancy in my family. My wife is craving wings and beer again. Meet y'all at Ye Rustic! Or Buffalo?:-)

                                      2. DiveFan RE: bakersjoe Sep 30, 2006 04:27 AM

                                        IMO this thread rambles WAY too much.
                                        I like spicy wings but I can have them prepared different ways without getting my boxers in a knot. Sure, spicy wings were invented in Buffalo but these are simple bar food for goodness sake.
                                        If the wings are marinated in a good hot sauce, then fried, broiled or baked just enough, then served with GOOD blue cheese dressing and more hot sauce on the side then what's wrong with that?
                                        Sorry to go chain, but if I'm need of a quick wings fix and I don't want to cook, my local Wingstop does a decent job, is reasonably priced and probably will survive (unlike many, many overpriced mom-and-pop wing places around here that have died). The wings are dressed a little sloppy for my taste but I just let the excess sauce drip off, no problem.

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                                          bakersjoe RE: DiveFan Sep 30, 2006 06:16 AM

                                          Heh-heh, you ain't seen nothing yet. If you want rambling, see the link below, where I codify my 6-point evaluation system for Buffalo wings. By the way, it's for your beloved Wingspot, which has a new franchised location. It's mostly thumbs-up.

                                          http://www.chowhound.com/topics/show/...

                                          I don't diasgree with all of you who have posted that you can get good, perhaps even great wings in LA and California. But I'm looking for one specifc style of wing, which I have chosen to call "authentic Buffalo wings." See the reply above by bobbyperu (Sep 8), who gets it. It may seem like I'm being snobby or wordy or anal-retentive or unnecessarily getting my panties in a wad. But here's the deal, my friends: when you really love something, you refuse to lower your STANDARDS. That's what being a chowhound is all about, wouldn't you agree?

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                                          kevin RE: bakersjoe Sep 30, 2006 07:32 PM

                                          has anyone tried the wings at the Buffalo Club in santa monica at 17th and Olympic?

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                                            gsw RE: bakersjoe Oct 1, 2006 09:05 PM

                                            Fried chicken wings in bottled Hot Sauce with bottled blue cheese dressing --- how can such subtle variations inspire so much passion?

                                            If you're saying LA doesn't have any wings that exactly duplicate the Anchor Bar's proprietary bottled hot sauce and proprietary bottled dressing, well, sure, I guess that's true. But to say that there are no such variations that are worthy of eating is silly.

                                            Heck, I make 'em at home with Frank's Hot Sauce and Wishbone dressing. I roast them instead of deep frying them. They're great.

                                            But we're not talking foie gras or mole here. There's not much else to it.

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                                              DiveFan RE: gsw Oct 1, 2006 10:37 PM

                                              gsw, you made my point even better. BTW I remember Frank's as being quite bland and overpriced - why not use Tapatio or El Pato? Horror of horrors, I'd Never use any bottled dressing (99% taste like industrial chemicals) since homemade blue cheese dressing is so easy - sour cream, cheese, lemon juice. But, hey, we're improving on bar snacks...
                                              Those of you complaining about LA wings, we want DETAILED comparisons, not just yelp-like 'xxxx is better that yyyy'.

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                                                bakersjoe RE: gsw Oct 7, 2006 05:40 AM

                                                Surely you don't think that you truly duplicate Anchor Bar wings just by using their bottled sauce and dressing? I wish it were that easy. Geesh do I wish it were that easy.

                                                I have found other wing variations that are, as you say, "worthy of eating." (If you're ever in Atlanta, try China Cafeteria's Chinese-style wings. Just make sure you go before dark.) But this post is about a specific style of wing, which evidently is found all over Boston and New York and Atlanta, but lacking in LA.

                                                By the way, foie gras is my favorite food. Olives in Aspen and Norma's in midtown Manhattan are the first two places that come to mind on my list of all-time greatest foie gras experiences. But that's food for another post.

                                                Not everybody will be so inspired by the humble Buffalo wing. But clearly many 'hounds do get it, and are passionate about wings made a certain way. To all of you out there, you know what I am talking about. Man cannot live on mole alone...

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                                                tdo ca RE: bakersjoe Oct 1, 2006 09:48 PM

                                                I am an inveterate upstate NY style wing fan. For my fix I head to The Slice in Santa Monica - owned by folks from Syracuse and New Jersey, and they do great wings. I don't like Buffalo Club's wings.

                                                1. Davwud RE: bakersjoe Oct 1, 2006 10:52 PM

                                                  Baker.

                                                  I can't help you with where to go in LA for Buffalo wings. I live in TO and we have a Duff's (Awesome) and have been to the original Anchor Bar many times.

                                                  The one thing I can do is steer you clear of one place. If you see Buffalo Wild Wings open up near you. Move. They claim to have "Authentic" BW's but they're small and the sauce isn't right. I was very disappointed when I went. I'd heard such good things.

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                                                    ehellum RE: bakersjoe Oct 4, 2006 11:17 PM

                                                    Have you tried the buffalo wings from Porkys bbq in Inglewood, across from the forum?

                                                    www.ribs123.com

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                                                      allecat22 RE: bakersjoe Oct 5, 2006 07:57 PM

                                                      Classic Q pool hall in Irvine. Pool, beer and perfect Buffalo Wings. Yum!

                                                      1. kellydeez RE: bakersjoe Oct 5, 2006 09:59 PM

                                                        Besides Ye Rustic, I found a little haunt called "Hoagies and Wings" over on Venice near Fairfax (kind of). Their wings were GREAT and very hot. I didn't even go super spicy and my lips were zingin'!!

                                                        http://www.hoagiesandwings.com/

                                                        Don't know if it will stack up, but give it a try!

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                                                          BearCity RE: kellydeez Oct 6, 2006 01:11 AM

                                                          Hoagies and Wings is great. I don't know about "authentic," but those suicide wings are delicious and deadly. There are many flavors at work there, and most of them are pure malevolence. Also, I think they actually have customer service training. Always been treated well there.

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                                                            Jwsel RE: BearCity Oct 6, 2006 05:48 PM

                                                            I finally went over to Hoagies and Wings to test the wings out. The suicide wings were hot -- and the guy behind the counter kept warning me and even made me taste the sauce off a toothpick before I ordered them (my lips went numb for awhile from just tasting the sauce only). As a matter of personal preference, I thought they were good, but not great. The sauce has a strong peppery flavor and that overwhelms the flavor of the sauce a little. They just didn't have the flavor of the best wings I've had. I still prefer the extra spicy wings at Ribs USA in Burbank (which are the same recipe that was served at Rubin's Ret Hot). The Ribs USA wings may be a little lower on the scoville scale than Hoagies and Wings suicide, but I still prefer their flavor.

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                                                              thefleck RE: Jwsel Mar 15, 2007 07:59 PM

                                                              Went to the Hoagies and Wings on Venice Blvd. today. I was not at all impressed. The service sucked and my Hoagie was slapped together my a neanderthol with gang tattoos. There are MUCH better wings at other places in LA. My home-made wings would trump Hogies'. Try "The Slice" in Santa Monica, on Wilshire Blvd at 9th street. They've had excellent wings for as long as I can remember, though the quality has gone down in the last few years due to a staff that does not speak English....

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                                                          bulavinaka RE: bakersjoe Mar 15, 2007 08:28 PM

                                                          There's a hot wings place on the corner of Jefferson and Slauson in Culver City. It's been there for a little while - maybe five years or more - and I think that's all they do there, is wings. Couldn't give a rec since I haven't eaten there, but if this guy is still in business after all these years, he must be doing something right...

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                                                            mc michael RE: bakersjoe Mar 15, 2007 09:37 PM

                                                            So we don't have the best Buffalo Wings. We've got angel wings, available at lots of Thai places. Does Buffalo have these? Atlanta? Boston? Florida?

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                                                              bulavinaka RE: mc michael Mar 15, 2007 09:45 PM

                                                              That's not fair - you're pulling into the Chevy lot in your Benzo! Those heavenly angel wings - when done right - are practically a meal unto themselves... good point!

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                                                                mc michael RE: bulavinaka Mar 16, 2007 05:05 AM

                                                                When you've got it, flaunt it!

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                                                                JBC RE: mc michael Mar 16, 2007 06:12 AM

                                                                Well said!

                                                                We've got:

                                                                Jawaneh - Chicken wings grilled or sauted with garlic, cilantro & lemon. Does Buffalo have any of those? Atlanta? Boston? Florida? (7th from the bottom):

                                                                http://www.al-cazar.com/hot_mezza.html

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                                                                  mc michael RE: JBC Mar 16, 2007 11:09 AM

                                                                  Lookin' good. I note Gold gave props to Alcazar recently.

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                                                                bite bite RE: bakersjoe Mar 16, 2007 11:38 AM

                                                                Okay, so I grew up just across the river from Buffalo -- in city listed with the Guinness Book of World Records for having the most doughnut stores per capita and that prides itself on its wings as well as its fried mozerella. In other words, I consider myself to have some street cred in this regard. Best wings I've had here -- but a couple years back -- was at Birds over Beachwood Canyon way -- juicy, saucy and served with blue cheese dressing and celery sticks -- any place that doesn't do this is an abomination. For a true dive experience, I would have recommended the the hole-in-the-wall, grease-shack Kerry's Cafe on Riverside just W of Laurel Canyon. Kerry's a character and you leave truly reaking of grease -- except last I went they weren't serving celery sticks with their wings which is unacceptable.

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                                                                  GVDub RE: bite bite Mar 31, 2007 09:12 PM

                                                                  We've been going to Kerry's for a while now, but I hadn't tried the wings before. We went today, and they were pretty good - not great, but pretty good. Not super spicy, but enough heat to notice, and they did have the celery sticks. Kerry also made us try her new menu addition - Scotch Eggs, and they do a nice job on that, too. One of these days, we'll go to catch a game in the bar next door (which has a service windows into Kerry's), and have a pitcher, a couple batches of wings, and be quite happy.

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                                                                  civicisr RE: bakersjoe Apr 24, 2007 02:15 PM

                                                                  Someone mentioned buffalo wings n things in culver city - i have to say these are the worst wings i have ever had and i will never go back.

                                                                  you might want to try q's in west la on wilshire... they have pretty tasty wings.. also buffalo wild wings out east by the 15... havent been to that location but i've been to a location in vegas and they are pretty good.. there's also a pizza by the slice spot called the slice, and i havent had their bone-in wings but the boneless ones r good there.. yankee doodles and barney's on 3rd st promenade in santa monica will definately do in a pinch - which is weird cuz q's and barney's are owned by the same people yet the wings at q's are so much better...

                                                                  also, for making them at home, emeril has a really good wing sauce out... its a little expensive but very good!

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                                                                    ihearteats RE: bakersjoe Apr 24, 2007 05:27 PM

                                                                    I know it's sort of an odd place for wings (okay it's just an odd place in general), but I was impressed with the hot wings (yes, I'm from Buffalo) at the Amazon Bar & Grill in Sherman Oaks. It's got a tacky rainforest theme (sans animatronic gorillas) and I remember the rest of my meal being awful, but they had crispy wings and an impressive selection beers. Do you really need anything more? Haven't been there in a few years.

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                                                                      irishkevbo RE: bakersjoe Apr 25, 2007 10:28 AM

                                                                      Wings and Things in Huntington Beach, the brothers are from Buffalo and I've been eating there for years. Of course nothing compares to Anchor Bar.

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                                                                        handlertaper RE: irishkevbo Apr 25, 2007 11:22 PM

                                                                        I agree-Anchor Bar is the best but the Slice in Santa Monica, owned by guys from Syracuse is pretty close.

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                                                                        graytiger11 RE: bakersjoe May 1, 2007 10:16 PM

                                                                        I am from Boston, MA and am a wing snob. I have to agree that most of the wing places in Los Angeles suck - but there are a few that I'd rank as an 8.5 or so on the scale, which coming from me isn't too bad. (If you've been to Ye Rustic Inn, I'd give that place a generous 7). Try Hot Wings Cafe on Colorado Blvd in Pasadena CA (across from Hooters, eep). I'd give their wings an 8.5, and they make thier own bleu cheese, which says something. They've also got a great selection of East-coast food; they make a pretty damn good philly cheese steak too. Also, try Wingstop in Monrovia - they're a franchise, but since all they do is wings, they'd better be good at it. I'd give their wings an 8. Nothing, however, comes close to either the Anchor Bar or the Hangar in Amherst MA. Happy Hunting.

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                                                                          LizGraphix RE: bakersjoe Jan 20, 2008 05:13 PM

                                                                          SLAM DUNK!!!! I grew up in Webster, NY and went to college in Buffalo, NY (1983-1987) so I've known some great Buffalo Wings. And having moved to Los Angeles in 2005, I've been discouraged with the wings here. I even tried the fabled "Hoagies and Wings but they were extremely small wings (almost a joke) and dry. Very disappointing. So, today during the Patriots/Chargers game I came online and read some reviews and was shocked to hear that the BEST wings just might be in my neighborhood - Los Feliz, at Ye Rustic Inn. But WOW!!!! they really were amazing. My toes were curling. The mild were plenty spicy for me but they also offer medium, hot and heart-attack hot (good luck with that).

                                                                          They took my order over the phone and they were ready in 15 minutes as promised. When we got there the bar was packed ... but getting the wings was quick and the staff was very friendly. And unlike other places didn't charge us for "a little more blue cheese dressing." I don't care where you live in Los Angeles, this place is worth the drive if you're craving "the real thing!!!"

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                                                                            Kfrahg RE: bakersjoe May 21, 2008 11:54 AM

                                                                            Try Wings N Things in Huntington Beach, CA on Beach Blvd. I live in another state and i crave their wings all the time. They are Wonderful!!!

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                                                                              Silverlaker RE: Kfrahg May 21, 2008 07:16 PM

                                                                              I just found out that Tomato Pie in SL orders them from NY -- from the famous place (don't recall name, sorry) -- but instead of frying them, they bake them. Excellent!

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                                                                              chesone RE: bakersjoe Sep 10, 2008 12:38 PM

                                                                              I just had Ye Rustic Inn's wings, and they were very tasty. I recommend them to anyone who is looking for a classic buffalo wing sauce, especially if you like them spicy. I would also like to recommend to anyone that is from Buffalo or visits family there to try the wings at the Buffalo Tap Room and Grill in Tonawanda, NY. I used to play for the Buffalo Philharmonic and the musicians there felt that the wings at the Tap Room far surpassed those of the Anchor Bar or Duff's. Ask for them grilled, and the cooks will deep-fry them and then grill them on a gas grill for a charred flavor. TASTY!!!!

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                                                                                amnesiac RE: bakersjoe Sep 10, 2008 02:41 PM

                                                                                San Pedro's 710 Grille has excellent wings, rated "best wings in LA" by some news station. Never been to Buffalo, but these wings are crispy (not breaded), meaty, and the sauce is hot but very flavorful. Cheap beer and blue cheese dressing available.

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