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Wine pairing for Mediterranean veggie appetizers?

SteveTimko Sep 21, 2011 09:27 AM

I need wine pairing suggestions for dolmades (stuffed grape leaves), hummus and baba ganoush. They're pretty tasty but a Tablas Creek grenache blanc I brought recently really didn't work that well.

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  1. SteveTimko RE: SteveTimko Sep 21, 2011 09:28 AM

    Here's a photo, by the way.

    1. Cookiefiend RE: SteveTimko Sep 21, 2011 09:45 AM

      How about a Greek white?

      I had the 2009 Domaine Katsaros Chardonnay, Krania, recently with a Greek meal in Las Vegas and it was very nice.

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        Brad Ballinger RE: SteveTimko Sep 21, 2011 10:09 AM

        Bandol blanc or Bandol rose is what I'm thinking.

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          bob96 RE: Brad Ballinger Sep 21, 2011 10:41 AM

          Thinking maybe Bandol is a little rich for these mezes. Greek native whites--assyrtiko, saviatano, roditis, but maybe not moschofilero--might make for a racier, more cleansing match.

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            SteveTimko RE: bob96 Sep 21, 2011 10:54 AM

            Greeks are probably a great idea but not available in the city where I normally shop.

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              Brad Ballinger RE: bob96 Sep 21, 2011 02:09 PM

              Bandol blanc too rich???

              Steve, what about Chateau Musar blanc?

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                SteveTimko RE: Brad Ballinger Sep 22, 2011 07:00 AM

                I think Musar is hard to find even in the Bay area. I need more conventional choices.

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                  bclevy RE: SteveTimko Jul 11, 2012 01:17 PM

                  K&L Wines sells Musar Blanc.

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            budnball RE: SteveTimko Sep 21, 2011 11:28 AM

            How about a very dry sparkling wine?

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              chefdilettante RE: budnball Sep 23, 2011 07:22 AM

              This does seem to be a good opportunity to open a bottle of Cava.

            2. ChefJune RE: SteveTimko Sep 21, 2011 11:53 AM

              Yes, Steve, I don't think Tablas Creek Grenache Blanc would be the best match for that. I agree with the suggestions of a Greek White -- Assyrtiko probably -- or a dry sparkling wine would be better choices. Moschofilero would be good, too. I've had it with those mezedes.

              1. omotosando RE: SteveTimko Sep 21, 2011 04:26 PM

                I recently served Vermintino with hummus and baba ganoush.and other Middle Eastern food (no dolmades though). I see Tablas Creek makes one, although I served an Italian one. I thought it paired well.

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                  Maximilien RE: SteveTimko Sep 22, 2011 02:18 PM

                  if not doing wine, get hold of some Ouzo (or other anis type apéritif like Pernod or Ricard).

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                    whiner RE: SteveTimko Sep 25, 2011 05:32 AM

                    I would go with a good Austrian Gruner Veltliner

                    ... or Champagne

                    1. SteveTimko RE: SteveTimko Jul 10, 2012 08:31 PM

                      2010 Boutari Moschofilero - Greece, Peloponnisos, Mantinia (7/1/2012)
                      Tight. Took a while to open up. There was a contrast of tartness and some fruitiness. Slightly oily texture. Good finish. Nicely made wine. It still didn't match well with the Greek appetizers. Imported by Terlato Wines International.

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                        FrankJBN RE: SteveTimko Jul 11, 2012 08:26 AM

                        I eat Greek food often. I generally like a nice white Bordeaux with the dishes you list.

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                          sarment RE: FrankJBN Jul 29, 2012 09:22 AM

                          I agree with you, an entre deux mers, or other SB would be wonderful. I also agree with Maximlien on pastis, pour moi Ricard, merci!

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                          goldangl95 RE: SteveTimko Jul 11, 2012 11:16 AM

                          Could you express why it didn't match up well? Was it too much fruit or floral notes in the wine? I really think these require an almost sour white with only a hint of green apple or lime (little to no tropical fruits/stone fruits) like a vinho verde, some albarinos, some pinot grigios. Maybe picpoul (i'm not familiar enough with picpoul to say though the ones I have had definitely had the zingy/sour thing going on)

                          If those don't work, than maybe a young chablis or chenin blanc.

                          A really dry sparkling may be the best bet, as noted by those previous.

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                            bob96 RE: goldangl95 Jul 11, 2012 02:46 PM

                            With SteveTimko's indulgence, may I butt in as a moschofilero fan and agree that it's probably a little too floral (viognier comes to mind) to cut happily through the oil and pucker of mezes. Greek whites from assyrtiko, saviatano, roditis varietals can likely better do the trick, as can picpoul, a provencal rose, or a vinho verde. Or a verdicchio.

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                              SteveTimko RE: bob96 Jul 25, 2012 10:01 AM

                              The food just overwhelmed the wine. The wine, which I liked, was trying to be Fred Astaire and the food was Irish cloggers.

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                                bob96 RE: SteveTimko Jul 25, 2012 01:59 PM

                                Which wine did you end up drinking? Your posts remind me of one reason I like drinking a good retsina (usually on my lonesome) with meze.

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                                  FrankJBN RE: bob96 Sep 5, 2012 02:03 PM

                                  "I like drinking a good retsina (usually on my lonesome)"

                                  Speaking of Retsina, that's no surprise.

                                  I have described these wines as an abomination before God.

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                                    bob96 RE: FrankJBN Sep 5, 2012 02:14 PM

                                    I know it's been called the most universally loathed wine in the world, and I'll only have a glass at a Greek place, but there's a certain atmosphere it invokes, Which I like. A glass or 2 every so many years. It's worth trying if only once, with plates of feta and olives and grilled octopus or gigantes.

                        3. SteveTimko RE: SteveTimko Jul 26, 2012 02:49 PM

                          For what it's worth, this is the response I got from Mark Squires, who reviews Greek wines for The Wine Advocate:
                          Moscho is light, easily overwhelmed.Try Tselepos Blanc Gris for a bigger one.Veriki would do better, oak Santorini better still.

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                            bob96 RE: SteveTimko Jul 26, 2012 03:36 PM

                            Santorini's always great here.

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                              toodie jane RE: SteveTimko Sep 5, 2012 11:52 AM

                              I'd think the predominant garlic overtones would make it hard to work with a white, except with maybe the dolmades. Would Greeks drink a spicey Mediterranean red of any sort with the hummus, etc?

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                                bob96 RE: toodie jane Sep 5, 2012 01:14 PM

                                They might have beer or ouzo, or a glass of Malamatina (or Kourtaki or Boutari) retsina , very cold (often mixed with soda and ice); retsina is an acquired taste, but I find its piney flavor cuts against the oily and salty notes of mezedakia very well. A Greek roditis rose or a Portuguese vinho verde might also work.

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                                  FrankJBN RE: toodie jane Sep 5, 2012 02:11 PM

                                  "hard to work with a white, "

                                  This appears to stand as a singular opinion. You don't think white wines drink well with garlic influenced food?

                                  I don't know about Greeks, but I have drunk a variety of reds (mostly italian) with Greek foods including those named by OP (always eat these as part of combo app I always order). I don't think the reds I have had go all that well with these dishes.

                                  As noted, IMO, white Bordeaux work very well, and I have drunk a variety of white Italians with too.

                                  The red is best left to wait for the lamb.

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                                    toodie jane RE: FrankJBN Sep 12, 2012 01:49 PM

                                    hmmm... I think of dishes like hummus and baba ganoosh as food-influenced garlic! I don't know Greek wines, but If Steve would be drinking Calif wines (he's from Reno area?) then maybe a Calif white like a Pinot Gregio or a Fume Blanc.

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                                      SteveTimko RE: toodie jane Sep 13, 2012 12:47 PM

                                      It would bury ;pinot gris without a doubt.

                              2. tim irvine RE: SteveTimko Sep 5, 2012 04:29 PM

                                My non cognoscenti idea would've been a pink California sparkler like a Chandon.

                                1. collioure1 RE: SteveTimko Nov 24, 2012 04:33 AM

                                  Acidic white. Pinot grigio is recommended. Would be tempted by (Tocai) Friulano too.

                                  Hummus is not easy to match.

                                  1. SarahMayWineinRome RE: SteveTimko Nov 25, 2012 06:52 AM

                                    If you can get your hands on a nice unoaked Turkish white wine, like a Narince, that would work nicely.

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