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Fair price and better quality products in Farmer's Market - Not neccessarily!!

Once in a while, I would like to pay the farmers market outside of Hillcrest Mall's a visit. Somehow, I always thought I might get fresher, cheaper and better selection local Ontario products there. Man! Am I wrong!!
Today, whilst shopping at Michael Angelo's on Woodbine/Hwy 7, I was stunned to notice two 'in-season' Ontario products ( complete with Ontario labels ) that were WAY CHEAPER than those I bought at the aforementioned market!! For the SAME QUANTITY and QUALITY, Fresh Ontario Wild Blueberries were $5.99 a container whilst the Farmers market stalls were charging a whopping $7,50!! Same applies to Ontario grown Strawberries. MA price is $4.99 vs $5.99 sold at the market!. Thank God I did not get conned into buying Ontario peaches at the market!!
Buyer's beware!!!

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  1. Not really surprising. Vendors don't have the buying power of larger stores/supermarkets and they incur costs to set up shop at the farmers markets.

    1. I have also visited this market and suspect some of the vendors are re-sellers. We have bought tomatoes that were more tasteless than supermarket tomatoes if that's possible. I have also found the prices to be rather high. I was not impressed.

      Wish the Village Market at Waldorf school had better hours.

      1. As a regular at the Hillcrest Mall Farmers' Market, I feel that your post sounds a little harsh. The same sensibility applies whether you're shopping at grocery stores or farmers' markets. You need to know your prices to spot out the deals. Generally speaking, the better deals at this particular market come from purchasing larger quantities. At this week's market day, a 3L basket of roma tomatoes were selling for $4 and Ontario peaches for $6. A few weeks ago at the height of wild blueberries season, I came home with a 3L basket for $20. So yes, I agree buyers beware.

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        1. re: ComeUndone

          Harsh?! I'm just presenting the facts as I see them. Besides, I go shopping for produce that I want and expecting to pay a fair price for them and not 'bargain hunting' for just anything! So, to get a little bit angry over such huge price discrepancies for the same products is only natural. BTW, I don't think a lot of us orientals 'bulk buy' roma tomatoes?!

          1. re: Charles Yu

            Would you rather buy produce direct from the farmer that was picked that day (or the day before) or from the supermarket that was picked several days before and has gone through their "distribution chain"? Would you rather support your local small producer who has pride in his crop or the bulk producer who supplies the big chains? The farmers markets allow you to get to know your farmer first hand and learn about the products and get the freshest produce and by getting to know them & them knowing you you will know that the price listed is not always the price that they will sell it for. .

            Many supermarkets use fresh Ontario produce to lure people into the stores sometimes pricing it below cost because they know you will not just buy the peaches but other stuff as well. Especially with the influx of Farmers markets in the city over the past three years I am sure they see the effect on the bottom line and are trying to undercut the farmers. A supermarket can afford to do this a farmer cannot.

            And BTW I know a lot of "you Orientals" that do buy bulk roma tomatoes & bulk peaches etc. I do not know why your race affects anything... But as alway no one can disagree with Chuck.

            1. re: RogerDoger

              This has been discussed at length already:

              http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/797781

              Some of the vendors at these places are just resellers, not actual farmers.

              "I am sure they see the effect on the bottom line and are trying to undercut the farmers."

              OK, if Loblaws or Metro or Sobeys is selling Ontario peaches, using your example... they had to have bought those peaches from the farmer. How is that "undercutting" the farmer -- they had to pay his price to get that product, and he got to sell a lot more peaches than he would have from the side of the road or in a little stand at a market. I doubt the grocery chains send people to sneak into the orchards under cover of darkness and steal the fruits....

              Are you suggesting the peach farmers should collude and refuse to sell to the chains, or collude on uniformly higher prices? (oh yeah, the dairy and poultry farmers already do this....)

              1. re: TexSquared

                No that is not what I a saying, by default the lablaws and Sobeys buy from the big producers who can ship the quantity that the supermaret requires. These are not the small farmers that attend farmers markets. The big growers get a contract with the supermarkets and because they are selling high volume (usually they will take the entire crop from the farmer) they get them at a deeply discounted price. (economics 101).

                And like I said you are paying for intangibles as well like fresher produce, and is some cases better quality. Now I cannot speak for all farmers or all markets but if like you said they are fake farmers at the market I would not shop there just like if I knew a store was dishonest as to where it products come from. There are many reputable markets that you can shop at. Markets where they actually vet the farmers to make sure they are real farmers.

                Growing up I worked on a vegatble farm outside of hamilton for 6 years and I can tell you that the best and freshest produce went to their stall at the Hamilton market and the rest was on a truck to the Ontario Food terminal.

              2. re: RogerDoger

                Fellow chowhounder ComeUndone was trying to use 'bulk quantity Roma Tomatoes' as an illustrative example of 'better deals from purchasing quanities'. Since unlike say, Italians' who uses a lot of tomatoes. being of Oriental background', I'm not used to buying such huge volume of tomatoes and hence am not familiar with what constitute a bargain price for the products. As I eluded to previously, I can only make my remarks based on what I saw of the same products in supermarkets vs Farmers market. May be fellow chowhounders RogerDoger and atomeyes should be more 'tolerant' towards chowhounders like myself whose mother tongue is obviously not English!!!
                In farmers market like those found in San Francisco, for example, which I am familiar with. Farmers market means stalls are really operated by nearby farmers selling their own local ( and mostly organic ) products. Here, without signage in most stalls, there's no way one could differentiate real farmers with 're-sellers'! If I have a choice of purchasing the same 're-sale' produce from either super-market or farmers market then why should I pay a lot more to get them from the latter??!! Here I am referring back to my wild Ontario blueberries example!

                1. re: Charles Yu

                  Toronto farmer markets are rather 'sad' state.
                  As has been pointed out by other fellows Ch - some vendors are resellers. Some have limited knowledge about the produce they're selling. These vendors are simply people trying to make a living. I found the same vendors at Hillcrest and Fairview. In real farm life, a farmer cannot come to town/city 3-4 days/week. Who's tending the farm (guest workers? - too costly). However, there are two that I personally believe source their products from Ontario lands and I am privileged to be able to support our local farmers.

                  My way to identify whether the produce is from local farm and not from food terminal is by looking closely at the size, colour & freshness of the products. If the size & colour aren't uniformed I consider this as local. If the lettuce is slightly wilted - yes, they did not receive 'mass produced treatment/packaging/refrigration'. Watch also its cleanliness, say if the peapds or stringbeans have more dirt/soil - it's likely local.
                  Knowing our local season also helps. For example I saw peaches in July - well - that's just like No Frill's bins across the road.

                  If you only come to market occasionally you will feel like you've been had like fellow Charles.

                  Though I beg to differ about who are buying bushels of harvest. English isn't my mother tongue, white isn't my colour but I love making jams, preserves, tomato sauce & pickles. They taste so much better than store bought.

                  I wish GTA officers would come to their senses. I have witnessed in Germany that anyone who have extra fruits / vegetables from their gardens can sell their extra in the local market. Yes they need permission and contribute a percentage of their sale to the market authority. This allows others to buy local, organic without going through the rigmarole of red-tapes. It also encourages people to grow fruit trees.

                  Knusprig

          2. It is always more expensive at Farmer's Market. But I find the taste of some produce is better than the store bought ontario grown if you buy from the farmer not reseller.

            1. Go to Waldorf, less worry about vendors reselling product they procured from the food terminal.

              http://www.villagemarket.ca