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So, while there is, in my opinion, nothing wrong with Triangle-K, I (and some very machmir shabbos guests), feel like there must be some other options when it comes to frozen peas. Yes, I know I can get fresh ones, but they are really expensive and sometimes not good quality near me. So where to find peas? Fairway and Supersol/Season only have triangle K (that I've seen). No luck at Trader Joe's or Pioneer. The O-U only certifies some hemishe-sounding brands that might be hard to find, as well as a brand called Hanover, that I've never seen before. Any ideas?

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  1. I have seen and bought Hanover in most supermarkets as well as in the kosher markets.

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    1. re: susiejane

      Which supermarkets/town/state? I live on the Upper West Side of Manhattan...

      1. re: PotatoPuff

        I am in Long Island, Stop and Shop, Foodtown, Key, Waldbaums. I believe I have bought
        frozen Hanover veggies in the past in Supersol, but maybe not peas.

        Try Gristedes or Food Emporium in Manhattan.

      2. re: susiejane

        Hanover is a pretty common veggie brand. You should be able to find it in most major regular food stores or even in Wal Mart or Target. Green peas are on put "banned foods" list here (foods we refuse to allow in the house even if they are kosher, lima beans are another) so i cant say where exactly to find them, sorry.

      3. If you can't find Hanover at your area supermarket.
        Here in New England they are available at many of the chains, Hanover will ship to your home by the case.
        http://www.hanoverfoods.com/news/hano...

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        1. re: bagelman01

          Thanks for the idea but they only sell by the case, and my freezer is too tiny to stockpile. A second freezer is out of the question in my tiny apartment...

        2. I am pretty sure that I've seen White Rose frozen peas (under OU supervision) at Brach's in the five towns.

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          1. re: EmpireState

            Wow, that's interesting - the OU didn't list white rose as a product they certify. Even though 5 towns is far, maybe i can find white rose elsewhere. Thanks for the info!

            1. re: PotatoPuff

              If there is a Met or Pioneer near you, try there. They are listed as business partners on White rose's website.
              I'm sure you've thought of this, but would you try canned peas instead?

              1. re: EmpireState

                Tried Pioneer, no Met near me....

                Pretty set on frozen as opposed to canned.

                1. re: PotatoPuff

                  What about Whole Foods? I have never seen them, but I know a lot of their own brand items (365) have OU, etc. supervision. You are a very considerate hostess!

                  1. re: EmpireState

                    thanks EmpireState! The Whole Foods is pretty far from me, but if I'm ever nearby, I'll check!

                    1. re: PotatoPuff

                      Hi PotatoPuff. I went to Whole Foods yesterday. Their frozen peas have the triangle K on them. Sorry...

                      1. re: EmpireState

                        thanks for the update empire!

            2. re: EmpireState

              Went to Westside market today, and saw White Rose there. Neither my husband nor I could find a hectcher of any sort on the package. For good measure, we also checked the frozen pea/carrot blend, and didn't see one there either.

            3. Potato Puff, It's a long shot but you might want to call Star-K and see if frozen Peas need a hechsher?

              1. Check out the CRC Chicago website. Most frozen peas do not even need any certification as long as there are no added non-kosher ingredients. This is true for many frozen vegetables.
                http://www.crcweb.org/fruit%20&%2...

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                1. re: chicago maven

                  Right, while I would feel fine about that, there are always those people (including said dinner guests), who prefer a "reliable" hectcher... Also, I figure that being privileged enough to live in an area where kosher food is easily available, I should at least try to see if I could find anything.

                  1. re: PotatoPuff

                    If Seasons caries Triangle-K frozen peas, then the Riverdale Vaad is certifying that those peas are ok, either because they don't think frozen peas need hashgacha or because they've checked that indvidual product/plant and determined it is fine. If you consider the Riverdale Vaad reliable you can buy the product regardless of what you generally hear about Triangle-K.

                    1. re: PotatoPuff

                      Potato Puff,

                      I could repeat what Avitrek and QC have written below, but as someone who does not hold by Triangle-K I would trust whatever the OU says about frozen peas.

                  2. The OU's website itself says that frozen peas DO NOT need hashgacha (see #7 on the list):
                    http://www.ou.org/torah/article/frequ...

                    If you don't trust that, I think a call to their hotline or an email to their "Webbe Rebbe" is in order. He will undoubtedly confirm that peas do not need a hechsher, and if the OU itself says no hechsher is necessary, it seems that would be just as good as going out of your way to find one with the hechsher.

                    I have commented here before about how I feel going out of one's way to find products with hashgacha that don't need it is a bad thing for the Jewish community, but whether you agree or not, it seems that you should at least accept the OU's own word if they say the item doesn't need hashgacha.

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                    1. re: queenscook

                      I don't intend to debate hashgaha. This post is about seeking a difficult to find food item, irregardless of your opinion about said item. The reason I say this is that Chow moderators have threatened to lock posts where the debate goes into hashgaha before.

                      That being said, please refer to the original post: I could care less about hashgaha, but we may be having some very machmir/strict guests for meals, and rather than debate with them, I would rather just find some peas with super stringent hashgaha and avoid any question as to kashrut. Living on the UWS, I feel like this is a realistic goal, so would it really kill me to take some time to find the peas? As a hostess, I just want to make my home comfortable for everyone, even if I think their requirements are over the top.

                      1. re: PotatoPuff

                        I don't want to debate hashgacha either. But it's also not about MY opinion; it's about the OU's opinion. It's very straightforward: if you trust the OU to give a hashgacha, why would you not trust them to tell you a product doesn't need one? Either you trust them or you don't. And if your friends trust you enough to eat in your house, then they must trust you enough to believe you have done your due diligence in buying with a hechsher, what needs one, and not bothering if something doesn't.

                        One reason it may be so difficult to find frozen peas with a hechsher is that they don't need them; it's simple "supply and demand." No demand, so no supply. Will your friends ask to see the bag from the peas? If not, then why not trust the OU's website (or phone hotline or Webbe Rebbe) which says peas don't need it?

                        1. re: queenscook

                          Gotta agree with queenscook here. Not sure where you need to go if the OU isn't stringent enough.

                          1. re: ferret

                            Agreed. You don't go to eat at someone's house and inquire about the hashgachas of food products. Either you trust them to provide kosher food, or you don't. There are plenty of people at whose homes we eat, who have in their pantries things we don't purchase for our homes due to hechsher. Yet, as observant Jews, we trust them implicitly to provide us kosher meals, even if we know those hechshered foods were included. I was told specifically that one was forbidden to either inquire or comment. The only time I have found it to be permissible is Pesach, when people are ultra-strict, almost to the point of silliness, even at home. And then it is forbidden to find fault with the minhagim of others. I would also say that one doesn't inquire as to the source of meat. I don't know whether it is still available, but there was nonglatt meat available under Rabbi Zeilingold. Though we keep glatt, several times we found we were or had been eating food made with that nonglatt meat. Rabbi Zeilingold, being a standup guy, attests to the kashrus of the meat. Who am I to say it's not kosher? I rely on the family at whose house I eat. If he holds by that meat, fine. And that's how far I was told to go with this- not that it was permissible to eat there, but rather that if one would trust the baal habayis, then anything done to embarass him would be forbidden, such as questioning food, or shying away from it. It was not permissible not to eat there, if the only thing pushing one from doing so is the hechsherim of the ingredients.

                          2. re: queenscook

                            It's not about the hectcher, it's about going the extra mile because I can. I figure it couldn't hurt to try if it might make some people more comfortable in my home. As for our guests, I've had people ask about hectcherim and my kashrut practices many many many times. Frankly people know I don't care personally about these things so much, and they can't fathom why I have such a machmir/strict household if I don't care. So they ask.

                            1. re: PotatoPuff

                              There's "going the extra mile" and there's "going a mile past your destination." So ultimately, there's no "extra credit" on this test.

                              1. re: ferret

                                Actually, I see a big similarity in this post and the allergies one. PotatoPuff, you are doing a bad 80/20 to yourself here (actually it's probably a 95/5 in this case). You are expending 95% of your total meal effort on 5% of the meal...

                                Do not make yourself crazy over Peas........switch to a different easier recipe.

                                Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..........call the couple in question and ask them what brand to use..

                        2. re: queenscook

                          Have you checked with your guests whether they accept the OU and/or the CRC certification? If it's true that both those agencies (both pretty universally accepted hechsherim) say on their websites that frozen peas do not require hashgacha - doesn't that mean that they are basicly certifying any frozen peas, with or without hashgacha?

                          1. re: Bzdhkap

                            No. If something doesn't need certification that doesn't mean there's no chance it's treif. It just means the probability is so low that it's OK to risk it. If they certify something they check it out even if it doesn't need checking; they won't put their names on a product without making sure that it isn't the one product of its kind that does have a problem.

                            For instance, I asked the OU about raw cashews, and they told me about the potential problems with it, and that if it has an OU on it then I can rest assured that these problems don't exist. But they also said the problems are so uncommon that I needn't bother, and could buy them anywhere and just assume it's kosher.

                            1. re: zsero

                              Thanks for the clarification.

                        3. I have bought Hanover at Fairway and at Pathmark. It has an OU and it's cheap.
                          I would be surprised at people not holding by triangle K on peas, like Birdseye peas,
                          but I know what you mean. I have met many people who don't know and just prefer
                          to eat certain brands.
                          Also, I'm not sure but I think I've seen some peas at Trader Joes that might qualify.

                          1. Found! Kosher marketplace - gefen brand.

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                            1. re: PotatoPuff

                              I hope your guests appreciate your labors on their behalf :)