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What's with Manhattan restaurants keeping their doors open with no air conditioning in 90 degree weather?

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Beau711 Sep 4, 2011 11:30 AM

I cannot tell you how many times during the New York City heat wave I've walked out of restaurants because they won't put their air conditioning on and some don't even use fans. I've wanted lunch on the Lower East Side and thought I'd try the Meatball Shop. It was stifling hot so I left and told the staff why.

This has happened many times at other restaurants and cafes and I just don't get it. Are the restaurants trying to save money? If so they're not making money either because they're not attracting customers who want a nice cool room to relax and have lunch or dinner. I don't think they're doing it to save electrical power so what's the story?

It amazes me that the 90 plus degrees heat doesn't seem to bother some folks.

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    escondido123 Sep 11, 2011 09:08 PM

    I live in San Diego and only use air conditioning in the midst of over 95 degree days...and that's just for specific rooms. I would like restaurants to open their doors and windows and create a breeze rather than turning it into an ice house. Otherwise, we may as well just have controlled weather so we never know what season it is.

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      Rick Sep 11, 2011 07:15 PM

      This is a pet peeve of mine too! There is a local coffee shop here that has a garage door style store front and they decided to open up the front of the shop and keep it that way during even the hottest and most humid days this summer. I happily drove on by to another coffee shop!

      1. Firegoat Sep 6, 2011 08:30 AM

        Since we just had a month of over 100 degree temps here I have to agree with the poster. I can't imagine a restaurant here not having a/c and hoping to keep customers. Since I'm not from NY I have to ask about the open doors. Wouldn't that draw in flies? That would just be icky.

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          Cheeryvisage Sep 6, 2011 08:42 AM

          I've had more problems with mosquitos than flies. Was just at such a restaurant for dinner a few days ago. Not only did I leave the restaurant with a full stomach (good), but also received 4 large mosquito bites (not so good).

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            Beau711 Sep 11, 2011 08:47 AM

            "Since I'm not from NY I have to ask about the open doors. Wouldn't that draw in flies?"

            Even the flies don't want to go in - it's too hot for them! :-)

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            DPGood Sep 5, 2011 01:58 PM

            Wouldn't it have been worse with the doors closed?

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              Beau711 Sep 5, 2011 02:48 PM

              If the doors were closed and If the air conditioning was on, the room wouldn't be 90-degrees. Here's a link to the best storage of wine and it's not placing the bottles on "racks in a 90-degree dining room." Thanks for that comment, Simon.

              http://www.netplaces.com/wine-guide/e...

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              Simon Sep 5, 2011 11:01 AM

              what bothers me even more is that they store bottles of wine that way...i'm always appalled when i see Italian places in NYC w/ the windows open in the summer and hundreds of bottles of red wine sitting on racks in a 90-degree dining room...

              1. linguafood Sep 5, 2011 09:59 AM

                Makes you wonder how the rest of the world's population can function without the ubiquitous ice air prevalent in most US indoor places (restos, hangar-size stores like Home Depot, etc.).

                I, for one, am happy when I don't have to bring a scarf & sweater to eat comfortably at a resto in the middle of *summer*.

                I think it's much worse to see so many places WITH a/c AND their doors open. Air-conditioning the sidewalk.

                What energy crisis?

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                  melo7 Sep 5, 2011 10:01 AM

                  Agree 100%.

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                    Beau711 Sep 5, 2011 12:18 PM

                    Restaurants are not supposed to keep their doors open with the air conditioning on. See RGR's post above. It's a city ordinance and people are encouraged to report the restaurant that does this because it wastes energy.

                    I remember in the good ole days when movie theaters would send out a blast of cool air. It was so refreshing to pass the theater and cool off.

                    I am so looking forward to October

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                      Beau711 Sep 5, 2011 12:30 PM

                      linguafood, I guess you don't remember the health warnings put out this past July by the New York City Health Department. They advised people to stay cool and hydrated. They even set up emergency centers so people, especially the elderly, could go and cool off.

                      Some people, like you, don't like frigid air conditioning and I can understand that too. However, this past July, New York City set a record for heat waves yet some restaurants continued to not provide air conditioning. Well, these boots are made for walking.

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                        rockandroller1 Sep 6, 2011 08:48 AM

                        Completely agree. COMPLETELY. It's hot. It's summer. It should be hot. I'm so glad not to have to bring a sweater everywhere.

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                          ttoommyy Sep 6, 2011 11:22 AM

                          "Completely agree. COMPLETELY. It's hot. It's summer. It should be hot. I'm so glad not to have to bring a sweater everywhere."

                          So, conversely, in winter it should be cold in a restaurant? No heat?

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                            linguafood Sep 6, 2011 11:34 AM

                            There's a little-known thing called moderation. It's useful in so many ways, I don't even know where to begin. Temperature control might be one, for sure.

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                              melo7 Sep 6, 2011 12:35 PM

                              Isn't it funny that some people would like it to be 65F inside during the summer and 75F inside during the winter?

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                                linguafood Sep 6, 2011 01:40 PM

                                It's particularly funny b/c I'd like it to be 75˚F at all times '-)

                                (preferably inside and out).

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                                  ttoommyy Sep 7, 2011 06:37 PM

                                  I'd like it to be 65 degrees at all times. Love fall and winter, spring is OK, dislike summer immensely.

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                                    sing me a bar Sep 11, 2011 06:52 PM

                                    I'm with you, ttoommyy! It can be a gender thing. I've been on buses which were at a perfectly humane state of coolness while it was roasting outside. Inevitably, some woman would go to the bus driver and ask if they could turn the AC down. He usually would look out at a sea of approving, comfortable riders, most of whom were making faces like " she's crazy" behind her and keep the bus as cool as it was. Buy a sweater if you have the metabolism of a plant.

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                                      DPGood Sep 11, 2011 07:02 PM

                                      Who was that addressed to...?

                                      Never mind.

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                                        sing me a bar Sep 11, 2011 07:13 PM

                                        The poster directly above my post.

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                                        Beau711 Sep 11, 2011 09:33 PM

                                        ttoommyy - I disagree that "it can be a gender thing." I know so many women who are very warm most of the time and some guys that always seem to need a blazer or hoodie to keep them comfortable. I believe lots of this may depend on body weight and hormones so let's not generalize. Just my two cents.

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                                          ttoommyy Sep 12, 2011 12:54 PM

                                          I never said it was a gender thing; sing me a bar did. Anyway, I've noticed in our office here at work, it is mostly the women who are cold. And you know why? They almost all wear flip flops or sandals during the summer, have dresses on and short to no sleeves. The men all have shoes and socks on, pants and short to long sleeves. So in a way, it really CAN be a gender thing. :)

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                            Isolda Sep 7, 2011 02:41 PM

                            Totally agree. When we lived in Texas, I carried potholders in my car so I could touch the steering wheel and a sweater so that I wouldn't freeze in just about any indoor place. Restaurants were the worst. I'd order the spiciest thing I could just to generate some heat.

                            Here in Massachusetts, restaurants and box stores are slowly switching to the "freeze" model of climate control. I have no idea why. I understand why grocery stores need to be colder (exception: Market Basket) to help the food keep longer, but clothing stores?

                          3. ttoommyy Sep 5, 2011 04:49 AM

                            We're with you too Beau711. All the way. We will not even enter a restaurant if the front doors/windows are open on days like you describe. I think the restaurant feels it is "extending" its outdoor dining by doing this. All they are really doing is letting the hot. humid air in. Silly. I;m so happy to find others that feel this way.

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                              Berheenia Sep 5, 2011 07:27 AM

                              We just spent 5 sweaty days in the heat and humidity as part of a wedding party and were forced to endure a number of bars - restaurants with the open window policy- the East Village is peppered with them. It really matters when you are dressed up in wedding party attire rather than shorts and flip flops!

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                                Beau711 Sep 5, 2011 07:52 AM

                                Oh No! Not on your wedding day. I'm hoping your wedding banquet was air conditioned and your cake didn't melt. Congratulations on your day.

                                Yes, the East Village is known for keeping their windows open yet charging market prices.

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                                  melo7 Sep 5, 2011 09:24 AM

                                  "Yes, the East Village is known for keeping their windows open yet charging market prices."

                                  And what would you suggest the restaurants charge? Below market prices? These are businesses not your friends. If you don't like how they run their business go elsewhere.

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                                    Beau711 Sep 5, 2011 12:14 PM

                                    i would suggest they charge less than market because they're saving $$$ on their electric bill at the expense of diners' comfort.

                                    I do go elsewhere because I'm a 'hound who likes his comfort. It's not my loss at all. We all have choices and preferences.

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                                    Berheenia Sep 5, 2011 01:43 PM

                                    Not my wedding- our son's wedding. It was close with the cake as reception was on a patio next to open door restaurant. And happily I'm not a man - those 3 piece suits were murder in the heat!

                              2. BrookBoy Sep 4, 2011 09:01 PM

                                I'm really with you on this one.

                                When my wife and I are dining out and the temperature is in the 90s with high humidity (as in almost every day this summer), if we see the doors and windows open on a restaurant. we just pass it by.

                                I'll take a burger and a beer in an air-conditioned pub over the finest meal in a stifling restaurant.

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                                  Blumie Sep 4, 2011 11:39 AM

                                  Are you suggesting that the Meatball Shop is not attracting customers because they don't put their air conditioning on? That's a good one!!! (And btw, what heat wave are you speaking about?)

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                                    Beau711 Sep 4, 2011 11:53 AM

                                    The Mealball Shop was just one example. I know they're very popular and also do a brisk take-out.

                                    What heat wave am I talking about? Well the one we've had this past July where several days were in the 90s with no let-up. Even at this writing, September 4, it's well into the 80s.

                                    When a restaurant is so hot, I wonder how fresh the food is because kitchens are usually hot even when the restaurant is cool. If I want to dine in a sweatbox, I'll eat a sandwich in my gym's sauna. What happened to comfort for the diner?

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                                      RGR Sep 4, 2011 12:51 PM

                                      During the July heat wave, the city issued a stern warning of fines if a restaurant kept their a.c. on when their doors are open. So, I'm guessing the Meatball Shop decided to keep the doors open and shut the a.c.

                                      I'm totally with you about not wanting to dine in a restaurant that feels like a sauna. We decided not to have lunch at Eataly's Birreria one afternoon and went elsewhere because the roof was closed and even with the fans going, it was uncomfortably warm. However, I'm not sure they even have a.c.

                                      And you're right about the temperature today, 9/4. We're in NJ and when I went out to do some errands, my car thermometer was reading 88. Plus, it's very humid. It seems the dog days of August have migrated to September.

                                      http://thewizardofroz.wordpress.com

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                                        Beau711 Sep 4, 2011 01:52 PM

                                        Thanks, RGR. I thought I was the 'only' one who disliked the heat.
                                        Beau

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                                      ttoommyy Sep 5, 2011 04:51 AM

                                      "(And btw, what heat wave are you speaking about?)"

                                      Ummmm...the 3 or more consecutive days above 90 degrees we had this past summer that officially went down on the books as being heat waves? Those heat waves.

                                      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07...

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                                        sing me a bar Sep 5, 2011 09:40 AM

                                        Sadly, you speak the truth. I boycott a couple of my favourite places because they insist on opening up the front windows. I have to assume it's cheapness. I can't go out to eat somewhere that isn't at least close to as cool as it is at home. Especially given I feel like a loser going places in shorts & tee shirt. It's NY-we should be able to put on some nice clothes without soaking them. I have walked by a restaurant at which I wanted to dine later that evening, just to see if they are wide open to the broiling elements. I also will call ahead and ask if the AC is on and it's really cool. I credit some places with being honest, especially when they know me. Some of the heat we've had this summer is of the type many AC systems simply cannot combat. I tend to choose my venues during the summer according to their AC. It may sound a bit unhinged, but comfort is important. I've also had this discussion with buddies who are restauranteurs. I will drink and eat more if it's cool somewhere. If I'm dying to get out of there, the food isn't that much of an issue. I have been part of big group dinners where we ended up somewhere that wasn't sufficiently cool and I really push to change venue. I'm grateful Fall is on the way, so these considerations kind of disappear. Then all I seek is places with no pretense!

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                                          thew Sep 5, 2011 01:54 PM

                                          when it gets really hot, almost every restaurant in NYC expects people in shorts

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