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Rella Aug 27, 2011 02:25 PM

The price you pay - this is typical of what I wash-by-hand. No getting 'round it.

Ok, I see here:
3 baking pans
1 food processor
1 vitamix with lid and stomper
3 precious glasses
1 salad spinner
1 oxo prep bowl
1 silicone rolling pin
perhaps a knife or two?
Plastic funnel

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  1. LaLa RE: Rella Aug 27, 2011 02:31 PM

    other than the special glasses and super nice knives, the rest would go in the dishwasher at my house

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    1. re: LaLa
      Rella RE: LaLa Aug 27, 2011 03:01 PM

      One load or two? :-))

      Silicone rolling pin, it's a no-no
      Vitamix bottom - it's a no, no.
      Upper spinner - it's a no, no - could the bottom take a sanitizer load?
      cuisinart blade - it's a no, no
      a knife or two - it's a no, no
      big baking sheets - perhaps, but I don't think I can get a big sheet in my (a regular) dishwasher
      perhaps the oxo prep bowl - it coudn't stand the sanitizing cycle, I don't think, but maybe
      Food processor top and bottom - yes it could go.

      1. re: Rella
        LaLa RE: Rella Aug 27, 2011 04:03 PM

        two...I said at MY HOUSE

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          Dee S RE: Rella Sep 2, 2011 12:02 PM

          Non-aluminim baking sheets can go in the dishwasher, if they fit. Aluminim ones will be damaged by the detergent.

          I'd hand wash everything on your list Rella.

      2. JEN10 RE: Rella Aug 27, 2011 02:59 PM

        Sounds about right, what did you cook? I like the, I will cook, you do the dishes method.

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          ErnieD RE: JEN10 Aug 27, 2011 03:42 PM

          I like the idea of that method, and it is what my parents do, but in practice it doesn't work for me. In practice it barely works for them either-if I visit for four nights, there are probably six, um...spirited discussions...about where something my mom cooks with has been put away, or why this lid or that container got tossed into the recycling. I just prefer to clean up myself, because I know where everything is and things I want handwashed always are.

          That being said, I handwash much less than the OP. My salad spinner goes in, and so do my food processor, all prep bowls (including plastic), and all but the very biggest baking pan. Never had a problem with any of them. The only things I wash by hand are my cast irons, most knives, and anything too big to fit. And my grandma's antique glasses, but I don't use those frequently.

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            LaLa RE: ErnieD Aug 27, 2011 04:04 PM

            my list is the same as yours :)

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          LeoLioness RE: Rella Aug 27, 2011 04:24 PM

          Everything by hand....no dishwasher. No double sink or spray nozzle either which is kind of a pain but we're just used to it by now.

          1. John E. RE: Rella Aug 27, 2011 04:51 PM

            If I am doing both the cooking and the washing I always wash as I go so that when the cooking is done the only stuff left that does not go into the dishwasher are the pans on the stove or in the oven.

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              Rella RE: John E. Aug 27, 2011 06:26 PM

              I took this picture because I had been "washing as I go" and even with DH helping cooking, this was still the stuff that I had left over that I couldn't get to working as fast as a house devil!
              The pots and pans are not in this picture because they are the ones that are taken care of long after dinner and DH always washes the pots and pans; they hardly ever go into a dishwasher. Mainly because I fill a dishwasher once a day at least, and pots and pans take up enough space making at least two loads a day.

              He doesn't 'do' the baking pans, the reason I've included them here.

              I wonder how many people who have dishwashers do actually use (if they have one) a sanitizer cycle. I know, I know, it's fool-hearty :-)

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                John E. RE: Rella Aug 27, 2011 06:54 PM

                In our house pots and pans never go into the dishwasher. It goes without saying (oops) that knives never go in the dishwasher. Until recently, I did not put larger bowls, colander, etc. In the dishwasher. I have recently begun doing so. At least you contained the dirty dishes on the sheet pan. It drives me nuts when people put dirty dishes into the sink instead of the dishwasher. "Put the dirty dishes into the dishwasher and either wash the pots and pabs or leave them on the stove". I guess the reason it bugs me is that people think they are "helping" by putting a pan in the sink. If you wish to help, wash the da*m thing.

                The last two winters I've spent some time in Arizona without a dishwasher, just a regular two-sided SS sink with a drying rack on the right. If the dishes dried off by themselves that fast (10 minutes or less) in Minnesota I'd be tempted to go without a dishwasher once the family size reduces back down to two ; )

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                  Rella RE: John E. Aug 27, 2011 07:30 PM

                  I'm certainly with you on not putting pots and pans in the sink to soak.

                  It's really a work-in-progress to get the dirty dishes into the dishwasher FAST enough. Now, this is not for everyone -- a tip coming on - look out! I actually drop dirty dishes in a gray bussing tub which I keep above the dishwasher. If needed, the dirty dishes are scraped or rinsed down before putting them into the tub. For me they load much faster that way.

                  I've tried occasionally between dishwasher installations to consider not using a dishwasher -- oh, the time consumed leaning over the sink is not for this eldster/oldster.

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                    John E. RE: Rella Aug 27, 2011 08:04 PM

                    If your dishes need more than scraping, then you need a new dishwasher.

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                      Rella RE: John E. Aug 28, 2011 05:44 AM

                      This is certainly sound advice. I went through several dishwashers until I bought the one I use now. Oh, the problems I had!

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              kerosundae RE: Rella Aug 27, 2011 05:29 PM

              oh the joys of having the dilemma: to load or not to load...
              wish I had a dishwasher...
              or a sink bigger than 10"x10" with a faucet more than 6" away from the bottom of the sink...

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              1. re: kerosundae
                LeoLioness RE: kerosundae Aug 27, 2011 05:44 PM

                Ha, I'm with you! Like I said, I'm used to it but the night I decided to have a tapas party still haunts me...dirty dishes for days.

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                baseballfan RE: Rella Aug 27, 2011 08:13 PM

                I put everything in the dishwasher except my expensive knives. I have marginal cookware so I don't really care and I am willing to roll the dice with evrything else and I do mean everything! If I am hand washing, it is because the dishwasher is too full and I don't want to wake up to a sink full of dirty dishes etc.

                I always do the the cleanup myself as I find it to be finished more quickly and to my liking. Surpisingly, I have had few dishwasher disasters. A few broken wine glasses here and there but that's about it.

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                  rainey RE: Rella Aug 27, 2011 08:19 PM

                  That sounds about right.

                  I do a lot of washing by hand too. I don't mind it. I do it as i work. And I'd rather handwash and have things stay in top, unscratched condition. I've got pans that are more than 30 years old that are still pretty even with their patina because they were always handwashed.

                  I also handwash things that take up a lot of dishwasher real estate even tho they could go in there. An 8- or 10-quart stoneware mixing bowl for example. OTOH, I'll run a load with a glass cakestand and cloche and little else just because the dishwasher does a better job at them than I could.

                  I will put all metal baking pans in the dishwasher because they're going to get a baking spray and probably parchment anyway so I'm less concerned about their finish.

                  Taking good care of your tools is part of the art and pleasure of cooking. I do it for myself but I assume the family appreciates it in their way.

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                  1. re: rainey
                    Rella RE: rainey Aug 28, 2011 05:51 AM

                    Certainly a problem I have is that I usually have too many large-real estate bowls and thingies that would go into the dishwasher, but then I would not have room for everything in one load.

                    I suppose there are people that don't mind (lots of?) dishes waiting for the next upcoming load because their dishwasher racks are filled with huge things. I don't mind dishes sitting, but not as an every day occurrence just because I don't want to wash big items all the time.

                    Once I emailed with a guy that said that there is nothing that he owned that didn't go into the dishwash (except knives); and I often wondered how he managed that because he was a good cook.

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                      rasputina RE: Rella Aug 28, 2011 08:30 AM

                      Exactly, I'd rather fit more in there and hand wash the rest than put big stuff in that takes up all the room while a bunch of stuff waits to get clean.

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                    escondido123 RE: Rella Aug 27, 2011 08:45 PM

                    3 baking pans--by hand
                    1 food processor--dishwsher
                    1 vitamix with lid and stomper--dishwasher
                    3 precious glasses--by hand
                    1 salad spinner--very quick rinse
                    1 oxo prep bowl--don't have one
                    1 silicone rolling pin--by hand
                    perhaps a knife or two?--by hand
                    Plastic funnel--dishwasher

                    I live in SoCal where water conservation is a big issue so whatever can go in the DW does..Light China load, air dry..works 98% of the time.

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                    1. re: escondido123
                      Rella RE: escondido123 Aug 28, 2011 05:58 AM

                      We have our own well, and we watch our water use, too. Growing up with only a cistern for water, other times no running water in the home, living through a drought in California, water conservation has always been a part of my life for many decades. Water is something that many take for granted; I certainly don't.

                      I notice that people do have different ideas of which is more water use effiicient, dishwasher and/or washing by hand. No matter what study, I would imagine that it would depend on the family's kitchen habits.

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                        escondido123 RE: Rella Aug 28, 2011 08:59 AM

                        Being one of those who does research on virtually any subject, I have look into the DW vs hand washing and water use. Dishwashers use less water but that works out to a net savings only if dishes aren't rinsed with water first. I was just at someone's house and they used soap, water and a dish brush on every plate and then put them in the DW--couldn't understand that.

                        1. re: escondido123
                          Becca Porter RE: escondido123 Sep 4, 2011 06:07 AM

                          Was it my sister's house? She literally uses the dishwasher as a rinse/sanitize cycle. They go in clean. I just barely scrape my dishes.

                          I put every possible thing in the dishwasher: including my vitamix often, wood rolling pins, SS All Clad, Le Creuset pot, aluminum sheet pans, food processor pieces, knives (top rack), funnels, KA bowls and tools, SS Moka Pot, etc...

                          Pretty much the only things that get hand washed is cast iron, ice cream insert, and my Zeroll ice cream scoop. Those usually sit around until I get my husband to wash them.

                          I hate having my hands in soapy water.

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                            Rella RE: Becca Porter Sep 4, 2011 06:41 AM

                            One thing I wouldn't put in the dishwasher is the Vitamin bottom. I would think that would be a no-no. (I hear DH in the kitchen right now doing, and he'll just put a dash of soap in it, turn it on and wash and then put some water in and rinse. I don't wash it by hand unless it has some sticky almond butter that won't come off that way.

                            Nor wooden rolling pins - they need to have some sort of history to them.

                            When I have a mess of things to wash, I use nitrile gloves. In fact I use them a lot in the kitchen for messy things; i.e., chicken, slimy okra, anything greasy yuk!

                            1. re: Becca Porter
                              John E. RE: Becca Porter Sep 4, 2011 08:10 AM

                              I hope you don't have good knives, because even if you purchased good knives, you no longer have them.

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                                Becca Porter RE: John E. Sep 4, 2011 09:37 AM

                                My knives are mediocre. I use a Chef's Choice electric sharpener to keep them sharp.

                                I haven't seen evidence of this assumption for myself....until I do... or at least until I buy some much better knives, I am going to keep putting them in the dishwasher.

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                                  John E. RE: Becca Porter Sep 4, 2011 05:57 PM

                                  The knives rattling around dull the blades and the harsh detergent also ruins the blades. Unless of course if your knives are stainless steel. Until just a few years ago I was mostly using Chicago Cutlery Walnut Tradition knives (which are still decent knives) and I still handwashed them, if for no other reason than I don't want to have to be too careful emptying the dishwasher.

                        2. re: escondido123
                          tcamp RE: escondido123 Sep 7, 2011 06:57 AM

                          Re the salad spinner, quick rinse here too. Why do they need more washing than that? I put most things, except for good knives and anything with wood, in the DW. Many things just get a rinse, though, such as measuring cups used for dog food or liquids, bowls used for dry ingredients, etc.

                        3. ipsedixit RE: Rella Aug 27, 2011 09:20 PM

                          I never use the dishwater. Consider the whole contraption a waste of time.

                          Hand. Wash. Every. Time.

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                            John E. RE: ipsedixit Aug 27, 2011 09:38 PM

                            Out of curiosity, how many are in your household? The number of plates, cups, bowls, and flatware seem too many for handwashing every day. Of course, if we did not have a dishwasher I suppose we might not dirty so many eating utensils.

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                              ipsedixit RE: John E. Aug 27, 2011 09:41 PM

                              Just one.

                              But even when I have dinner parties, it's always hand washing.

                              I have never even turned on the dishwater. I use it to store pots and pans.

                              Even when I was young and lived at home, my parents would make me do the dishes by hand, every night. It wasn't a big deal.

                              And I've never understood the notion of too many things to wash. At my parent's restaurant, we did all the dishes by hand. Every lunch and dinner hour rush, tons of dishes. All by hand.

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                                John E. RE: ipsedixit Aug 27, 2011 09:54 PM

                                I suppose it is just easier wgen there is a house full of people. We recently had my little sister, BIL, and their 4 girls here for 4 days. If I had to handwash everything I would spend way too much time washing dishes.

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                                  Cheflambo RE: John E. Aug 28, 2011 06:29 AM

                                  Almost everything in my kitchen has been run through the dishwasher at some point. I try not to put the good knives in there, but once in a while I am just too tired to wash them by hand as carefully as I should. Something that I KNOW would be hurt by the high temps (plastic) stays out, but Ive use the DW for pots & pans, cookie sheets, even the metal grids from my gas cooktop. I hate hate hate to hand-wash dishes (a throwback from my childhood) and I'd give up my microwave before I would go without my dishwasher.

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                                    Rella RE: Cheflambo Aug 28, 2011 08:10 AM

                                    "I'd give up my microwave before I would go without my dishwasher."

                                    Me, too. I gave up my microwave a year or so ago. Maybe longer... I gave using it shortly after buying a new one -- now it sits in another room awaiting its use for heating beaded neck heating pads and other heated pads. Not a bad use, if needed.

                                2. re: ipsedixit
                                  escondido123 RE: ipsedixit Aug 28, 2011 08:56 AM

                                  I thought health regulations, at least now, required that all dishes used in restaurants go through a dishwasher of sorts that sanitizes them with very hot water. No?

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                                    soupkitten RE: escondido123 Aug 28, 2011 11:15 AM

                                    restaurants can use *either* a high-heat sanitation cycle in a mechanical dishwasher/hobart system, or a triple sink system with a chemical sanitizing stage in the third sink, and many restaurants use both, like a hobart for most dishes with an additional triple sink for pots and pans, or in the bar area *just* for bar glassware. it is acceptable to have just a trip-sink though, and for small places it can make the most sense.

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                                      escondido123 RE: soupkitten Aug 28, 2011 11:26 AM

                                      Thanks for the info.

                                  2. re: ipsedixit
                                    ricepad RE: ipsedixit Aug 31, 2011 12:04 PM

                                    Your use of your dishwasher (really just a waterproof storage cabinet, isn't it?) reminds me of a story of a couple who ran a popular restaurant in San Francisco. The restaurant was only closed one day a year (Thanksgiving, IIRC, but it may have been Christmas). One year for their day off, the couple decided to host a dinner party, and invited several friends. It was such a success that the following year, they decided to repeat it. While they were deep into their dinner prep, they went to the china cabinet to set the table, and it was EMPTY...they'd been burgled, or so they thought. It turns out that, since they eat all their other meals every day at the restaurant, the china was still in the dishwasher from the preceeding year!

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                                rasputina RE: Rella Aug 28, 2011 08:27 AM

                                At my house, I wash mostly by hand. The only things in the DW are glasses, silverware and plates and small bowls.

                                I do not understand the point of putting the vitamix in the DW, it takes seconds to clean by running it with hot water and a drop of detergent.

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                                1. re: rasputina
                                  Rella RE: rasputina Aug 28, 2011 09:40 AM

                                  Yes, that is the way that it usually gets done -- it only takes seconds. This picture was taken as a result of things that were left over that I (we) couldn't get to in the 'wash as we go' routine, and were saved to wash later. There was not even time to do the vitamix cleanup in whatever meal we were making; otherwise burnt, burnt, burnt. It was just not possible. This is not always typical, but a good representation of what goes on sometimes in our kitchen.

                                  As I write I have dishes in the DW, and there is plenty awaiting.

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                                  amazinc RE: Rella Aug 28, 2011 08:51 AM

                                  In our house, I'm the "Little Red Hen" so I get to cook AND wash. No-no's...knives, silverware,
                                  copperwear, cast iron, "good" china/ glasswear. Everything else depends on what wil fit. I love ipsedixit's using the dishwasher for storage. ( Had a friend who used her oven to store sweaters! But that's another story). In my sister's house, she cooks; he washes and EVERYTHING goes in the dishwasher. Anything that can't go in the washer goes in the TRASH!! Love that theory, also.

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                                    Rella RE: amazinc Aug 28, 2011 09:49 AM

                                    Maybe there should be a poll for just those people who put absolutely everything in the dishwasher, cooks a meal 2-3 times a day somewhat from scratch, and note how many loads of dishes in the DW per day. I complain that 1 load is a lot; but sometimes it's catch-up time which make 2 loads a day - gladly I don't have too many of those days, but I attribute it to washing the big stuff by hand, and DH washes the pots and pans.

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                                      rainey RE: Rella Aug 28, 2011 02:54 PM

                                      When I do Thanksgiving it's all from scratch. By the time we sit down to dinner I have usually run the dishwasher twice.

                                      In Los Angeles in bigger homes there are often 2 dishwashers for entertaining.

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                                        Rella RE: rainey Aug 28, 2011 06:17 PM

                                        Even here rural Shenandoah County, VA, I know 'not rich' have 2 dishwashers - people with big families.

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                                          rainey RE: Rella Aug 28, 2011 06:28 PM

                                          And then there are the folks who have gone to the drawer type dishwashers so they can run a load more frequently than a couple times a week. Personally, I average turning my conventional full-size model about every other day.

                                          Ain't it grand to have options!?!

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                                        Becca Porter RE: Rella Sep 4, 2011 06:12 AM

                                        I have a family of five, and I cook and bake on a daily basis. I wash everything basically in the dishwasher (see above), and I run my dishwasher at least 3 times a day.

                                        *Typing that did make me a bit nervous, but it is the truth.

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                                      nutmeg0287 RE: Rella Aug 28, 2011 09:54 AM

                                      Ugh dishes. Totally the bane of my existence. I always try and use the whole "I cook you, you wash thing," but that only works for meals. I usually get outvoted on anything else I decided to make for fun with the argument that it was my idea to make it.
                                      I just started maintaining a food blog and trying to come up with my own recipes, so it's really upped my dish washing ante. Price you pay for the hobby of it I guess. Maybe I should switch to stamp collecting?

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                                        Rella RE: nutmeg0287 Aug 28, 2011 06:21 PM

                                        I'm looking here now at a bit spaghetti (pasta) pot, a big skillet to slosh around the spaghetti & sauce (gray); and a meatball pot. Today's been a big hobby day. I recall when we bought this house the kitchen was almost empty, a kitchen larger than I've ever had, now it's ready to topple from the weight of it all.
                                        Tomorrow's another day.

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                                        emilyjh75 RE: Rella Aug 28, 2011 08:49 PM

                                        I always wash everything by hand. I don't feel like it's less work than the dishwasher, by the time you rinse stuff, load, unload, and wash non-dishwasher-safe items, etc. Anyway, I find it rather relaxing, and I enjoy making things clean and shiny. :)

                                        I cook from scratch usually 2 meals a day, and I cook for myself and 2 children. (Was cooking for myself, ex, and 3 children, but still hand-washed even then.) I go through probably 2-3 pans of various sizes, usually at least one cast-iron, 5-6 plates, 2-3 bowls, 2-3 mixing bowls, and utensils per day. I prefer to cook a lot by hand as well, so I really only have to break out (and therefore clean) the food processor and/or stand mixer maybe once a week.

                                        1. al b. darned RE: Rella Aug 31, 2011 08:54 AM

                                          DW an I met online. An early correspondence went something like:

                                          Me: Do you like to cook? What is your specialty?
                                          Her: I don't cook, but don't mind cleaning up after someone who does.

                                          Fast Forward a couple of years.

                                          Friend/Acquaintance/Busy Body: What do you like to cook?
                                          Her: I don't cook.
                                          F/A/BB: (Shocked look.): You don't cook?
                                          Her: No. We eat better when he cooks.

                                          This arrangement has worked out well for the past 11 years. Things that don't dishwasher include knives, cookware, fine dining stuff (plates, flatware, glasses, etc.), and stuff too big for the dishwasher. Otherwise, it gets a good scrape and into the machine. If we have a particularly large pile we do an, "I'll wash, you dry." session.

                                          Where we live, our water comes from Lake Ontario, a fairly reliable source of water. Even so, we conserve as much as possible. The Water Authority's minimum billing is for 8,000 gal/quarter. In the 22 years I have lived here I have used more than that only once.

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                                            cleobeach RE: Rella Aug 31, 2011 11:07 AM

                                            Mr. Cleobeach has dish duty in our house and there is nothing, in his opinion, that can't go into the dishewasher. I learned to bite my tongue years ago and therefore own nothing that will be ruined by putting it in the dishwasher.

                                            I am a wash as I go kind of cook so the large mixing bowls, good knives, cutting boards and such get washed as soon as I am finished and put right back where they belong.

                                            If something is going on, like lots of guests and lots of wine and I don't wash-as-I-go, all hell breaks loose as my dear husband struggles with and curses at the dishwasher racks for not allowing him the capacity his thinks he deserves. He might do 3 or 4 cycles to clean up one meal worth of dishes, pots, bowl and serving pieces.

                                            1. tazia RE: Rella Aug 31, 2011 11:26 AM

                                              We don't need to rinse our dishes before they go in, so anything that fits goes it without rinsing. It's more environmentally friendly, and no one in the house likes doing dishes unless absolutely necessary.
                                              The only things that stay out are the good knives and wooden cutting boards. Also, my half-sheet pans don't fit or I'd put them in there too. Anything else, including the all-clad and the like, can go in. My cookware can be scratched and dinged all over the place, as long as it works.
                                              There have been baking-intensive days when the dishwasher ran at least 2 times. I have no issues with this, especially since it's more efficient than doing everything by hand.
                                              We usually run it in normal mode, with no sanitizing or anything. Never had an issue.

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                                                pemma RE: tazia Aug 31, 2011 11:43 AM

                                                I think the dishwasher is a miracle appliance. I didn't grow up with one, but have had one now for 20+ years. We don't rinse the dishes before they go in and everything comes out fine. The two washers I have had are just middle-of-the-road brands. Unless something is burnt on pots and pans come out fine, too, or pans with egg on them. I think success is 95% in the loading. I cook much more since I've had one.

                                                I put just about everything in except crystal, fine china, and some knives I have with bone handles.

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                                                  Rella RE: tazia Aug 31, 2011 07:21 PM

                                                  If you don't rinse your mashed potatoes plate, and if you let them sit in the dishwasher, will your plate be sparkling clean?

                                                  If you leave meat fat on your plate, scrape it off, will your plate be sparking clean?

                                                  How long can you let it sit in the dishwasher before it won't be sparkling clean?

                                                  Or do you think the humidity of the dishwasher keeps these plate foods from solidifying on the plates?

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                                                    John E. RE: Rella Aug 31, 2011 08:20 PM

                                                    Most current dishwashers have a built in garbage disposal. All that is needed is to scrape the plates. There can be situations where if the dishwasher is not run that same night all the stuff might not come clean, but that is infrequent for us. Mostly it would be a fork or spoon that was all gummed up with somwthing that is the culprit.

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                                                      escondido123 RE: John E. Aug 31, 2011 08:40 PM

                                                      I agree with John. Modern dishwashers are made to take it all and have washing cycles and garbage disposals to handle it all. If I had to wash them ahead of time, I truly cannot imagine loading a DW and certainly unloading them would be punishment since that was my job early in life---we were early on with having a dishwasher.

                                                    2. re: Rella
                                                      tazia RE: Rella Sep 1, 2011 05:26 AM

                                                      Occasionally, something won't get clean, but it's usually because something like a glass or measuring cup gets knocked over on the top shelf and fills with icky water. Other than that, our dishwasher has a really high success rate for getting everything off of our dishes.

                                                      We're vegetarian, so no meat in the dishwasher, but I doubt that'd make a difference. Also, since we do use the dishwasher for almost everything, it does get run fairly frequently...every day or every other day unless we're really eating out a lot. But, we just went on vacation for 4 days and forgot to run it before we left, and everything still came out nice and clean.

                                                  2. pikawicca RE: Rella Aug 31, 2011 09:10 PM

                                                    I clean as I go. Only tableware goes in the dishwasher.

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                                                      mojoeater RE: Rella Aug 31, 2011 09:36 PM

                                                      We eat a lot of leftovers and I feel that Tupperware-type containers need DW high temps to get clean. The DW we have now is so much better than our last, but we still need to pre rinse to get eggs and starchy stuff off. I don't think any DW can take off 3 day old dried egg schmootz.

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                                                        Isolda RE: mojoeater Sep 1, 2011 05:46 PM

                                                        I always prerinse everything and if it's really gross (raw chicken), I wash it first. I know it's anal, but I also know there's no little magic dude in there scrubbing the dishes one by one. And the idea of food particles circulating over and over makes me queasy. I guess I just think of the DW as a sanitizer.

                                                        1. re: Isolda
                                                          John E. RE: Isolda Sep 1, 2011 07:51 PM

                                                          Most dishwashers do a hotwater/steam pre-rinse themselves then the cruddy water is put down the drain. The wash cycle is then done with fresh, hot water/steam and then the soap dispenser pops open to do the wash cycle. You are wasting water with your current method and it is not needed. I can get a little OCB myself so I understand where you are coming from. I never put the nylon cutting boards from raw chicken in the dishwasher because I have found they don't really get completely clean (the rough surface keeps the raw chicken crud attached) and then the stuff is dried on. But if you have raw chicken stuff on a smooth plate, it will be completely sanitized with none of the chicken guts left to swirl around during the wash cycle.

                                                          1. re: John E.
                                                            escondido123 RE: John E. Sep 1, 2011 08:23 PM

                                                            I use wooden cutting boards. It sounds like the nylon ones are not living up to their promise. I had considered them for awhile, but glad I stuck with washing my wooden ones int he sink.

                                                            1. re: John E.
                                                              Rella RE: John E. Sep 1, 2011 08:37 PM

                                                              This summer I got onto something for myself regarding okra.I got tired of the slime from the knife - it was so hard to wash off, but then I noticed just how it clung to the cutting board. There was no way I was going to have this slime all over all the dried dishes if the slime swirled all over them and didn't clean them off and then dried. So I decided to put a sheet of parchment paper down on the cutting board - not aluminum foil which would cut through easily as well not be too good on one's knife.

                                                              But the parchment did not cut through, but seldom; and in places where it did, there were so few places that it cut through that it still left me a board that I didn't have to worry about.

                                                              If I have a completely messy job from now on, it's a piece of parchment paper.

                                                              1. re: Rella
                                                                John E. RE: Rella Sep 1, 2011 09:02 PM

                                                                That's a good idea. I bet butcher paper would work ok too. I'm going to do that the next time I cut up poultry. We have some of those flexible cutting mats that I lay down on top of either a wood or nylon cutting board when messing with poultry that are easier to wash than the others.

                                                                1. re: John E.
                                                                  Rella RE: John E. Sep 1, 2011 09:31 PM

                                                                  I have a huge roll of butcher paper that I probably bought at Costco - I'll try it, too - thanks.

                                                                  P.S. I tried some of the (thin) flexible cutting mats some time ago. As I recall they were pretty flimsy and left some pretty good marks/slices in them and didn't last long. But it's been so long ago and I think they were just beginning to be popular and don't know if the popularity ever took off, or they improved.

                                                                  1. re: Rella
                                                                    John E. RE: Rella Sep 1, 2011 09:41 PM

                                                                    I have some thin ones that came from Walmart that mostly only get used for fruit and a couple of thicker ones that so far have stood up to the knives. The only problem with them is that they are basically invisible as they are clear. I always use the on the big wooden butcher block that is always on our counter but I mostly use them for stuff that can be 'poured' after chopping such as nuts. I use them as a pouring thing into the KA for the dry stuff like the flour mixture for the rare times I bake something.

                                                          2. re: mojoeater
                                                            sparrowgrass RE: mojoeater Sep 2, 2011 12:17 PM

                                                            Take my microwave, take my stand mixer, but leave me my dishwasher, please!! I live alone, put everything in the dishwasher, with the exceptions of cast iron and wooden cutting boards, and run it every other day. I have very hard water, so I set a custard cup of vinegar on the top rack, which spills out and softens the water thru the whole cycle.

                                                            I scrape the plates (the chickens and dogs get the goodies), but I do not rinse. My dishes sparkle, and I rarely have to rewash or handwash anything..

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                                                            dinwiddie RE: Rella Sep 2, 2011 12:30 PM

                                                            Aside from the usual food processor, etc that just don't fit in the dishwasher I also hand wash

                                                            Wine glasses
                                                            Lots and lots of pottery bowls my wife made.
                                                            Cast iron skillets
                                                            non stick skillets
                                                            wire strainers
                                                            wire racks

                                                            1. DoobieWah RE: Rella Sep 5, 2011 08:00 AM

                                                              I hand wash:

                                                              Nonstick pots and pans, (mostly Anolon Professional)
                                                              LC Pots & Wok
                                                              Cast iron pots and pans
                                                              Cooking Knives, (mixture of Henckels ProS, and Wusthof Classic)
                                                              Martini and wine glasses
                                                              Vev Vigano Stovetop Espresso Maker

                                                              Pretty much everything else goes in the Dishwasher.

                                                              Wanna know my dirty little secret? I've been a single dad since my son was four and he's now 21. He's *never* "done the dishes".

                                                              I just don't trust him with my tools.

                                                              (Some poor woman is gonna be really hacked off at me some day.)

                                                              1. inaplasticcup RE: Rella Sep 5, 2011 08:03 AM

                                                                I don't have a dishwasher at my place now, but even when I did, I didn't use it much. I didn't like the film it left on my dishes over time.

                                                                The cleanup definitely gets daunting if I don't wash as I go, but I actually often find dishwashing sort of soothing.

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                                                                1. re: inaplasticcup
                                                                  Rella RE: inaplasticcup Sep 5, 2011 08:41 AM

                                                                  I can understand the film problem with dishes. It took me several years of searching my problem and three or four dishwashers.

                                                                  Now I've got the hang of it, soap, water and the right settings. But what a PITA it was.

                                                                  Just got through washing up from a session of juicing with my new Breville juicer. There are many components that I I could put in the dishwasher, but I don't want them sitting with food on them. If I rinse it off, I might as well wash it, too.

                                                                  1. re: Rella
                                                                    Rella RE: Rella Sep 7, 2011 10:55 AM

                                                                    Update: I added a few of the parts, big and small to the dishwasher just now instead of washing by hand. If one washes by hand, one tries to get the dishes/pans/etc. out of the counter dryingrack soonest, or take the time to dry them off to put away to make room for more washup. I don't like the kabuki of wash some, dry some; etc. etc. etc.

                                                                    All of these components 'should' dry before putting away. If I wash by hand, then don't dry, my softened hard-water still leaves spots.

                                                                2. mariacarmen RE: Rella Sep 6, 2011 11:31 PM

                                                                  i haven't had a dishwasher in over 25 years, so it all gets done by hand, chez nous...

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