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Lady_Tenar Aug 20, 2011 12:51 PM

I make great corn muffins but cornbread is proving somewhat more elusive. I've made it a few times and it's pretty good but often comes out dense. What could be causing this? Over-mixing? Not enough baking powder in the recipe? Or do I just need to change by baking powder? Something else entirely?

Also, does anyone have any recipes they particularly like? I've just tried one I got off the internet--a basic buttermilk batter. But I'm not particularly attached to it and I'd love recommendations. I tend to prefer to less sweet "Southern-style" type but I'm open to all kinds.

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  1. paulj Aug 20, 2011 01:56 PM

    How is your muffin recipe different from the bread?

    A high ratio of cornmeal is going to make a denser cornbread. More flour (and sugar) will give a lighter, cake like character.

    1 tsp of baking powder per cup of flour is pretty standard. Of course if you are using buttermilk, you can use baking soda instead, though there's nothing wrong with using both.

    Where have you had the ideal cornbread?

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      Lady_Tenar Aug 21, 2011 10:18 AM

      My muffins have more egg in them, I think, and I do make them sweeter and cakier than Southern-style cornbread usually is. (Also, I often put stuff in them--my bacon, cheddar, apple corn muffins are a hit among my family and friends. :-P)

      I had a friend from NC who made really good cornbread. Otherwise, most of the places I've had really good cornbread are good barbecue restaurants.

    2. monavano Aug 20, 2011 02:00 PM

      I use a $.99 bag of Jiffy and add cheese, corn, jalopeno, depending what's on hand. Never fails ;-)

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        paulj Aug 20, 2011 02:19 PM

        The Jiffy produces something rather cake like, with plenty of flour and sugar, and fine grind corn.

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          Antilope Aug 21, 2011 01:09 PM

          Jiffy Corn Muffin Mix copycat Recipe
          http://www.chow.com/recipes/11549-jif...

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            coll Aug 21, 2011 02:49 PM

            I love Jiffy, grew up on it, and usually can find it on sale for 39 cents more or less at the dollar store. Making it yourself is probably not even worth it.

            By the way, make sure to mix in a can of creamed corn, that's the best addition yet.

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              Antilope Aug 21, 2011 05:49 PM

              Being 39 cents and from the Dollar store, I would question its freshness.

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                coll Aug 22, 2011 02:48 AM

                I always check the sell by date and they are fine. They may expire sitting in my pantry though, since I like to stock up!

        2. ipsedixit Aug 20, 2011 02:01 PM

          Bacon fat. That's the secret.

          Eschew butter, vegetable oil, and even shortening.

          Use bacon fat, esp. for southern-style (i.e. not sweet) cornbread.

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            paulj Aug 20, 2011 02:18 PM

            Bacon fat is the secret to what? Other than flavor, what is its advantage? I can see where bacon fat in the hot skillet produces a nice crisp crust, which contrasts with the dense all-corn interior, but it does not address the density issue.

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              oldunc Aug 20, 2011 03:45 PM

              The proportion of cornmeal is mostly it- adding some gluten flour would likely help, though I haven't tried it- I like it sort of dense. You rapidly reach a state where more leavening won't help because the batter doesn't have the structure to support it- kind of like blowing soap bubbles without the soap. If you're using eggs, you could whip the whites and fold them in.

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                Lady_Tenar Aug 21, 2011 10:20 AM

                I'm definitely already there on the bacon fat. Yum!

                Hmmmm...I'm thinking now that I might have let the better sit for two long before putting it in the oven, and the reaction died down so there was less air in the bread. I already use some wheat flour. Next time, I'll try to be quicker.

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                  paulj Aug 21, 2011 10:33 AM

                  A baking soda batter should be used right away. With baking powder there's more leeway, since most bp is double acting. Crepe batters benefit from sitting, since it hydrates the flour better, but they don't have baking powder/soda. Another option is to soak the cornmeal in water or buttermilk before adding the other ingredients. I've used this for corn pancakes.

                  When Europeans adopted cornmeal, they added it to their yeast breads. The Portuguese in particular are known for this.

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                    oldunc Aug 21, 2011 11:22 AM

                    The Portuguese have lots of corn- too wet in the North for wheat. It also makes a good ingredient in some kinds of cakes- I usually use some in Pineapple Upside Down cake.

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            magiesmom Aug 20, 2011 03:51 PM

            cornbread is kind of dense, in my experience. If you wan tit less so, increase proportion of flour to cornmeal and use fine grind corn meal. i Like it dense.

            1. Karl S Aug 20, 2011 04:13 PM

              Baking powder and baking soda lose power after about 6 months, sooner if they are exposed to humidity.

              Anyway, my keys are:

              -cast iron skillet, preheated with a fat that is solid at room temperature (bacon fat, or home rendered lard (not the hydrogenated bricks in the dairy case) or poultry fat even, also butter.

              -stone-ground cornmeal, no flour

              For a 9-10" skillet ( you can do a half or 3/4 recipe in an 8" skillet - you don't need to adjust the amount of egg):

              -Preheat skillet with 3-4T solid fat in a 450F oven
              -Whisk together dry ingredients: 2 cups stoneground cornmeal, 1t table salt (or 2t Diamond kosher salt; 1.5t Morton's kosher salt); 1/2t baking soda; 1/2t baking powder. Optional (at risk of offending Southerners): 1-2T granulated sugar (NO liquid sugars, btw; they will sink and scorch at the bottom).
              -Mix together liquid ingredients: 1 large egg into 1.5 cups buttermilk

              LIghtly mix wet into the dry ingredients; not thoroughly (do not overmix). Take hot skillet out of oven, pour batter into skillet. If you want to gild the lily, you can dot the top with little pieces of butter. Bake in the oven until done, about 20-25 minutes.

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                chefj Aug 20, 2011 05:29 PM

                sounds spot on to what I do. I think that the high heat the helps to get a good rise as well as not over filling the pan. The finished bread is usually about 1.5" thick.
                I would add that Southern Cornbread should be consumed as soon as possible. If allowed to sit around it always seems dry, fine for soaking up pot liquor but not that good out of hand.

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                  bayoucook Aug 22, 2011 04:54 AM

                  Agreed. But what my grandmothers taught me is the best: sprinkle some cornmeal or dry mix onto the fat in the skillet and toast it on top of the stove, then add the batter and bake. Makes a marvelous crust. Add melted butter to the batter, use buttermilk. We usually use a cornbread mix as a base.Never sweet.

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                  bushwickgirl Aug 21, 2011 09:22 AM

                  Now that's the no fail cornbread ticket.

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                    lcool Aug 21, 2011 09:24 AM

                    a winner,what I do 95% of the time

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                      Lady_Tenar Aug 21, 2011 10:22 AM

                      This sounds delicious. I've never used 100% cornmeal before but I'll try it. Also never used heat that high but I can see how it makes sense, since it would "set" the bread before the soda reaction can die down too much and air can escape. Thanks!

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                      vafarmwife Aug 21, 2011 09:34 AM

                      I echo much of what's been said before- bacon grease, hot skillet and hot oven. ALso I use Tenda Bake yellow cornmeal- really good meal.

                       
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                        rasputina Aug 21, 2011 11:25 AM

                        I use the same recipe regardless of the pan I bake it in. So if you like your corn muffin recipe, bake that in the right sized pan instead.

                        1. Uncle Bob Aug 21, 2011 12:39 PM

                          In My South, the skillet, and the fat are heated on the stove ~ When the fat is very hot, pour almost all of it Into the batter....a few quick stirs....then into the skillet with the remaining fat. ~ It will "fry"....Let it "fry" until you walk to the sink and rinse out your bowl...Then put it in the oven to bake. ~~ I used to know a few old cooks, that in addition to whatever fat they used... put mayonnaise in their batter. ~~

                          Fun!

                          1. Antilope Aug 21, 2011 01:14 PM

                            I link the Alber's cornbread recipe baked in a cast iron skillet.

                            http://www.cookingforengineers.com/recipe/14/Albers-Corn-Bread

                            I tried the Cooks Country southern cornbread cooked in a cast iron skillet, but it was 100% corn meal and no sugar added. Bleah! Not for my taste. I like Albers recipe or Jiffy Corn Muffin mix (I created a copycat recipe). http://www.chow.com/recipes/11549-jif...

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                              paulj Aug 21, 2011 02:21 PM

                              Or from Albers directly
                              http://www.alberscorn.com/recipes/det...
                              The recipe is essentially a standard northern cornbread with equal parts of corn and flour, and a modest (and entirely optional) amount of sugar. (Albers has Pacific NW roots). I think it works best with a medium grind cornmeal - large enough to contribute a distinctive texture to the bread, but without chunks that stick in your teeth.

                              If you want to stay with a northern theme, serve with a pitcher of warm maple syrup.

                              This style also works well as a casserole topping (like the mash potatoes in cottage pie).

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                              emilyjh75 Aug 21, 2011 02:56 PM

                              My mom and I fiddled with our cornbread recipe until we got the consistency and sweetness that we liked. I like mine a lot lighter, but not dense or too sweet. So this cornbread recipe is only slightly sweet, and very springy, but not moist like cake, and not too gritty like pure cornbread. I have converted many a cornbread-hater with this recipe:

                              1 1/3 c. flour
                              2/3 c. cornmeal
                              2 T. sugar
                              1 T. baking powder
                              1/2 t. salt
                              1 c. milk
                              1 beaten egg
                              1/4 c. oil

                              Combine liquids, then add dry stuff. Pour into hot cast iron with bacon grease. Bake 425 until done (10-15 min? IDK I never watch the clock).

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