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Bourdain vs. Deen

I was pretty surprised to see Anthony Bourdain's face on a celebrity gossip site (yes, I read that stuff). The story was about some verbal sparring with Paula Deen. He said something, she said something, blah, blah, blah... it's been going on for a couple of days and who knows when it will end.
Here's the original interview he gave tv guide that set the whole thing off...


I think he went a bit far, but do agree with some of what he has to say.
What do you think?

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  1. I agree he does go too far sometimes, and does say things just for their shock value, but I happen to agree with virtually every word in that article.

    Always entertaining.

    1. I completely agree with Bourdain. Deen may claim she's cooking for working class families but those are the people whose health insurance coverage is spotty and who can't afford the coronary events she's steering them into.

      I learned to love food and cooking from my working class great aunt who made her own bread because "store bought" was a luxury and who cooked her baked beans and made her preserves from the garden my grandfather grew. Low income is not synonymous with high-fat and sugar drenched. And if she *really* came from those circumstances and wants to help those folks out, she can just help them think in terms of healthy eating that prepares them to work and avoids the medical costs.

      I bet she's a *lovely* person. I know she's entertaining and very successful at what she does. But I've never been tempted for a single instant to cook anything from any of her recipes. They sound cloying and, frankly, sort of gross.

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      1. re: rainey

        What kind of example does Tony set for us? The last things I saw him eat (on the Ukraine episode) were a tube steak in a donut, and a MacFoxy burger, and illegal caviar.

        1. re: paulj

          as he ate the dog he dissed her saying its something she would love to have two of after talking about how greasy and bad for you it must be....

        2. re: rainey

          I am completely agree with your comment rainey.

          1. re: rainey

            Watching Deen's show is like watching a 30 minute promotion on how to get diabetes. I think these people should be criticized.

            1. re: david t.

              Sadly your comments about diabetes was prophetic.

            2. re: rainey

              Actually, she's not quite "lovely" at all. I've seen her refuse a quick snapshot with children with whom she was appearing on TV and refuse to sign her own books for those children's mothers (all of whom ran out to buy the books after they've found out their kids would be on TV with Paula). Apparently, if she's not being paid to sign, you can forget it. The TV appearance, which was supposed to be about the kids, quickly got transformed into the Paula show, with the children as window dressing. Not "lovely" at all. Successful yes, but lovely, no.

            3. I agree with both of you. I just read where she said something to the effect of "what does he contribute to America?".
              Unemployment visited my home for a while a few years back and I was one of the American masses that were operating on little income. But 1 hour of entertaining and informative television where I could sit and take in another little piece of the world was far more valuable to me than any quintuple cheesy mac type dish could ever have been.

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              1. re: alliegator

                We've been to a couple of his book signings/Q&A sessions here in Pasadena, and one way to get him cranky is to ask his opinion of LA's restaurant scene. His big beef is that our area's addiction to dirt-cheap food has resulted in a local industry where only the chefs can make a living wage at one job, whereas everyone below that level typically has to work at least two, live with a bunch of roommates, and snitch food just to stay alive. He's genuinely angry about this, and angrier that nobody around here seems to care. Just under that arrogant façade is an honest hard-working man who has never paid less than a good wage to any employee, and who deeply believes that no working person should earn less than enough to house and feed himself and his family. This is not the guy to whom you want to brag about how you stuffed yourself at that dim sum place for $7 per person …

                  1. re: Will Owen

                    Thank you, Will, I've never heard that description of Bourdain before- I think you're spot-on.

                    1. re: Will Owen


                      I ran into Tony a few years ago after a show he did on New York aired. I was eating in a Japanese Yakitoro shop featured on the show when Tony came in with two other guys. On his way out, I introduced myself and thanked him for letting people know about the restaurant. He couldn't have been nicer after being interrupted by one of his fans.

                      He's a class act.

                      1. re: mahalan

                        I've never had the fortune to meet him but I do remember that a foodie friend on another forum was attending an event with him shortly after publication of "Kitchen Confidential" when his reputation as a culinary "enfant terrible" was pretty newly minted. At the event she was seated somewhere else but her young daughter was seated right next to Bourdain. I asked her how that worked out and she replied that he couldn't have been nicer or more fun or made the event more of a success.

                        Being put through his social paces like a lamb was NOT what I necessarily expected to hear about but it was her opinion that he was gracious, warm and genuine. Which pretty much squares with your experience.

                        What also comes to mind was the time when he was stranded in Beirut when the US was doing little to protect Americans from the raging civil war. He seemed to handle it with aplomb that indicated some real character beyond the TV personality.

                        He's an easy target to take shots at but I get the feeling he's big enough to take it.

                        1. re: rainey

                          I don't know if he'd make a good nanny, but a babysitter for a few hours, sure, I''m not great with kids but for some reason the little loveable idiots like me and I'm cool with them in small doses. must be the Moe Sizlak factor.

                          1. re: rainey

                            You may also recall the Laos episode where he was face to face with a man who lost his arms from unexploded US ordinance that was in his field. Well, kaboom obviously.
                            He was very humbled and seemed honestly embarrassed that his country had taken this mans arms and way of life away from him.
                            There was also the awe he felt when in the presence of the noodle maker in (Hong Kong??).

                            He knows his place in the world.


                            1. re: Davwud

                              "He knows his place in the world"

                              indeed! He calls himself out just as readily as he calls others out.

                              1. re: Bellachefa

                                Oh Hell! Just give him the Nobel peace prize and be done with it!

                              2. re: Davwud

                                And don't forget the Haiti episode.

                                And what it Namibia where he ate the ostrich egg that was full of grit, sticked, and dirt? Even thought it was disguisting he ate it because he knew that they didn't have much food and as a guest it was the respectful thing to do.

                                He might be a jackass to FN stars, but he always comes across as being respectful to those on his show.

                                1. re: viperlush

                                  The egg was the "good" meal he had in the bush in Namibia...that was also when he ate the half-raw-still-full-of-grass-feces pig intestine, or as he called it "poop chute".

                                  1. re: Bunson

                                    I was horrified watching him eat that food. Call me disrespectful, I don't care, but no way, no how would I eat that!

                                    1. re: monavano

                                      So your show would be called "Some Reservations." ;-)

                                        1. re: monavano

                                          Even better! My personal policy: "never eat the poop."

                        2. Yes, it's all Paula Deen's fault. /eyeroll

                          1. Bourdain is the classic celebrity chef. In fact, at this point in time, he seems to be more celebrity than chef. I think Paula Deen's summation that it is probably a publicity thing is accurate. This was, after all, a TV Guide interview.

                            All this "health" criticism from a guy who drinks like a fish and smokes like a chimney!

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                            1. re: Curt the Soi Hound

                              unless Ms Deen has quit,rumour has it she is a heavy smoker

                              1. re: Curt the Soi Hound

                                And Bourdain reportedly quit smoking when his child was born a couple of years ago.

                                1. re: Curt the Soi Hound

                                  If he smokes, he's hurting himself. If he drinks, the drink is going into his body. He doesn't suggest we do the same.

                                  1. re: jarona

                                    No, he doesn't, and he's certainly not telling you how to make the drinks.

                                    1. re: FoodChic

                                      He's glorifying it and telling you where to get the drinks. How different is that from telling you how to make it? If Paula Deen had a travel show where she ate nothing but deep fried fast food, I'm sure she'd get the same flak as she does with her cooking show.

                                2. I knew there was something about him I didn't like-he has always been pompous and arrogant with no chops to back up his opinions (except old restaurant experience 'back in the day' when has he produced a dish or recipe one can always ' go to' as they say?)

                                  This was a very hateful and completely unprovoked thing for him to say-this is Bourdain's waterloo - social media doesn't allow this stuff to fall through the cracks anymore, and it couldn't happen to a "nicer" guy

                                  I am sorry if this sounds harsh but I don't see why anyone would be so hateful for no reason. I mean, he can't throw any stones, he eats bugs and offal.

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                                  1. re: madeliner

                                    For my money it's true he might have been more diplomatic but the truth of the matter is that FoodNetwork has been full of poseurs and the pulcritudinous for a long, long time. No doubt it's harder for those who have worked their way through the industry than it is for those of us who merely are serous about wanting to learn more and better. If he said what's true and worth noting -- even crudely -- then I'm glad someone said it and said it in a way it would be noticed.

                                    It should reflect more on the crass commercialism of the FoodNetwork than someone who is probably a decent person like Paula Deen. But, let's face it, she has little to offer that you couldn't get from a handful of women's magazines and maybe an afternoon with your grandmother. And, meanwhile, anyone who attempted to live on what she's cooking probably wouldn't last as long as someone eating bugs and offal.

                                    1. re: rainey

                                      Could you rank the FN personalities by how pulcritudinous they are?

                                      1. re: paulj

                                        LOL!!! That would be a new, much longer thread, paulj!

                                      2. re: rainey

                                        I disagree- if you watch her old shows you'll see that her cooking techniques are perfect- the lady knows her way around a kitchen, and has for a while. She does a lot of "bringin' it, y'all" for the camera, but her techniques are right on, unlike a lot of the posers. If she's become a poser herself, well, she's made a shitload of money doing just that and I bet she can sleep at night knowing she hasn't trashed anybody to the media. Not that I don't love Bourdain, but he's been known to be a real bitch at times.

                                        1. re: rainey

                                          be glad you live in such a prosperous culture, and have such a prosperous life, that you can condemn the eating of most of an animal as a choice

                                        2. re: madeliner

                                          What exactly is wrong with eating bugs and offal? Healthier than your regular "happy" meal.

                                          1. re: linguafood

                                            How can you be a chowhound without eating offal or thinking it's a bad thing to do? Bugs, OTOH...

                                            1. re: linguafood

                                              For many people bugs and offal is the main protein readily available/affordable to eat.

                                              1. re: Bunson

                                                Immigrant families eat nose to tail, and grow their own veggies and herbs, where possible. Ironically, that's so au courant now, but at much higher price points!

                                            2. re: madeliner

                                              "This was a very hateful and completely unprovoked thing for him to say-this is Bourdain's waterloo - social media doesn't allow this stuff to fall through the cracks anymore, and it couldn't happen to a "nicer" guy"

                                              This will not be bourdaine's waterloo. Aside from the fact that he has already said all of these things in his last book long ago, saying these types of things are what he is famous for, He is brutally honest and pulls no punches. Paula Deen is a public figure, its not like he is saying these things about so and so chef working in a neighborhood restaurant. If you make money by putting yourself in the public eye, you have to expect criticism.

                                              If anything this will make bourdaine more popular as most people in the foodie world recognize foodtv as the steaming pile of excrement it has become.

                                              1. re: madeliner

                                                Ummm, Bourdain's said this before about all of them in one way, shape or form. I agree with him that her food is contributing to the obesity of the U.S. No, she's not the *cause* of it. But she's surely a strong contributor. As someone else said upthread, I've glanced through her cookbooks in stores, and there's never really anything I'd want to make from them. Her books (as well as Sandra Lee's and Rachael Ray's) are often those that you see in thrift stores...you don't find Ina Garten's books there, because the recipes work. Plus, Deen's gotten more and more fake with the long drawn out Southern drawl (her very early shows did *not* have that) and her over-acting. She's annoying as all get-out.

                                                But Bourdain's Waterloo? :::Laughing::: Hardly.

                                                As for eating bugs and offal - I hope you realize that many people around the world are glad to have both to eat and, in fact, offal is enjoyed by diners of all classes (although I don't particularly care for it). It's the way people used to eat when we didn't have the largesse afforded us by supermarkets - you ate EVERYTHING. Now we get to pick and choose certain items that are plastic-wrapped - with the rest of it often cast aside.

                                                So let him say what he's said. I hope people realize that Deen *is* dangerous at times with the horrible crap she puts out there (can you SERIOUSLY say that her god-knows-how-many-calorie "brunch burger" with bacon, a fried egg, on top of a Krispy Kreme donut is something that ANYONE should eat? - http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/pa... ). I really wish people would explore other avenues of cooking rather than slavishly following TFN celebutards.

                                                1. re: LindaWhit

                                                  "I really wish people would explore other avenues of cooking rather than slavishly following TFN celebutards."
                                                  ......such as Paula Deen. Yes, indeed.

                                                  1. re: madeliner

                                                    You see hateful, I see blunt. Other chefs seem to respect his food cred. If you think this is his waterloo, you haven't been paying attention long enough... :-)

                                                    1. re: madeliner

                                                      I think it is clear you like Paula Deen. Many folks, however, have grave reservations about her persona and her food/recipes - including myself. It is possible she accounts for half the world's use of butter...::gag::

                                                      1. re: madeliner

                                                        There are some that don't get Bourdain because he's not soft and agreeable. Those are the very traits that I love about him, and make him so completely honest. Paula's got fluff and charm, but she's so very far from honest.

                                                      2. I would respect Bourdain more if he just stopped talking about FN. So very few of the shows/people on there are worth anyone's breath. He knows this, but keeps feeding the mill. Bleh.

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                                                        1. re: amyzan

                                                          So he should stick to talking about people on his own channel? Forget the minor fact that both FN and TC are owned by Scripps; both are 'popular lifestyle brands'.

                                                          1. re: paulj

                                                            Not at all. I just think the whole "controversy" is invented. I wish Bourdain wouldn't participate in such "marketing."

                                                          2. re: amyzan

                                                            I agree, mostly, although once when he was in a southeast Asian country (I forget which one), commenting on the hot, humid weather, he said "I'm as shiny as Tyler Florence". It was rude and ugly, but I admit I laughed out loud at it, and still do every so often when I think about it.
                                                            I think he's a TV shock jock, among other things.

                                                            1. re: amyzan

                                                              Let's get some perspective here; He also does make prodigious jokes about Andrew Zimmerman, and yet meets him for lunch on a show set in Queens, NY.

                                                              I thnk he knows exaclty what he is saying, and those with a sense of humour in the 'famous foodie on TV" community get that.
                                                              Maybe Paula aught to get a thcker skin, and count her money all the way to the bank. Public figure= fodder for publicity.... I am sure the 'war' can't hurt her bank account.

                                                              1. re: gingershelley

                                                                How do we know Paula doesn't have a thick skin? It's hardly like she had a life that was fabulous- she found success quite late and through years of failure and hard work.

                                                                She had to answer him w/something and what she said wasn't nasty. She's probably sitting on the porch of her beautiful home enjoying an iced tea and could not care less in actuality.

                                                                Probably a lot less than this week long thread would indicate.

                                                                1. re: BubblyOne

                                                                  "had to answer him" why exactly? did someone tell her to answer or the puppy gets it?

                                                                  1. re: linus

                                                                    Being called the most dangerous woman in America (or whatever the BS was) is a pretty inflammatory comment and I'm sure she was advised by her publicist/manager to say something.
                                                                    Are you suggesting she should not have?

                                                                    1. re: BubblyOne

                                                                      not the (gasp) inflammatory comment!
                                                                      i'll try again: why did she HAVE to answer him?
                                                                      what would have happened if she didn't?

                                                                      1. re: linus

                                                                        It all would've blown over and there wouldn't have been nearly as much attention on her. She's probably smart enough to know that this is good pub.


                                                                        1. re: Davwud

                                                                          that makes more sense than she "had" to answer him.

                                                                          1. re: linus

                                                                            she replied a few days ago, said something like oh he must have had a bad day. took it in stride, didn't blow up or anything like that.

                                                                        2. re: linus

                                                                          Not sure what your point is. You obviously have one.

                                                                    2. re: BubblyOne

                                                                      She most certainly saw an opportunity to get on Fox TV. He had already moved on to 9/11 wine when she went to the press. All he did was give tv guide an old Q&A and then tweeted an apology. She did not HAVE to respond. She knew she could get some good old fashioned southern mileage out of it, and she did.

                                                                      1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                        Actually, that timeline is not accurate. Her comments back were prior to the 9/11 wine.

                                                                2. I love Bourdain. However, I don't feel it is for him to judge what people like and dislike and think that Paula could have that type of influence on society. That being said, if you read the accompanying story about Paula's reaction it says that he later tweeted that he should shut his mouth when being prompted to comment on FN cooks....he was clearly baited by the interviewer.

                                                                  I don't think there is anyone out there that would eat Paula-type dishes at every meal. We all indulge now and then. I don't find her show very informative, but some people may. People can be such snobs...live and let live - who cares!

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                                                                  1. re: shell22

                                                                    Well said. To each her/his own. I think once one reaches celebrity, a few layers of super thick skin is required. Sooner or later, someone is going to take a deep hard shot at you, your formula, your family, your personna. No one - Deen and Bourdain included - is immune from such attacks. I think one big difference with Bourdain, who self-admittedly can't shut his mouth to save his life, can take the shots, get up, and continue on without even blinking. He seems to be a celebrity for who he is, and not who he made himself up to be.

                                                                    1. re: shell22

                                                                      I don't think there's a celebrity chef out there who has the influence to change the eating habits of Americans. I do however feel that celebrity chefs have a responsibility to be at the forefront in supporting and pushing for awareness of sustainable and organic food (see Dan Barber), and not support big industrial agriculture (such as ConAgra, Tyson, Smithfield). Paula Deen and her "look for the blue package!" Smithfield Farms ham commercials make my stomach turn. Paula has always been about her brand. A dish that's 50% butter might put a smile on someones face but that doesn't make it the right thing to do.

                                                                      1. re: Bunson

                                                                        i never realized that the little word "ham" actually has two syllables, until paula pronounced it for me

                                                                        "hey-yum!" all together now ;-P

                                                                        1. re: soupkitten

                                                                          monosyllabics just don't exist in some regions. but you knew that.

                                                                      2. re: shell22

                                                                        I agree about indulgence. There's PLENTY of it on Home Cooking... short ribs, pork belly, saving bacon and duck fat, prodigious bakers who are not skimping on butter. High fat eating is hardly limited to the South or the working class.

                                                                        1. re: julesrules

                                                                          It's not high fat that's unhealthy, it's the combination of high fat with flour and sugar... like the burger between two donuts example.

                                                                      3. Bourdain likes to throw stones and doesn't give a crap who he pisses off. Enough money makes people entitled like that. One stone he shouldn't throw is the health card. I watched him and Samir throw back enough vodka to put an elephant into liver failure during the Ukraine episode.
                                                                        Don't get me wrong, Bourdain's funny and irreverent, but there's a certain ennui that he exudes that just doesn't comport with having a job that involves traveling the world and eating.
                                                                        Anywho, in the end I really don't care whose toes he steps on because they can all go home and cry on their big bags of money.

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                                                                        1. re: monavano

                                                                          That's what I thought, too. He reminisces fondly of his drug days, drinks nonstop, hates vegetarian fare, criticizes anything that's purportedly healthy or sustainable on No Reservations. He's not exactly the model of health. I have no problems w/ it but don't throw stones. Excessive butter or excessive drinking. Pick your poison but don't criticize others for making different choices. And, really, if he's above it all, why is he bothering to criticize the other FNS's anyway? Joshua Bell has no need to denigrate Justin Bieber.

                                                                          I agree about the money, too. They're all laughing all the way to the bank. They don't care.

                                                                          1. re: chowser

                                                                            He obviously doesnt drink that much in real life or he works out 24/7 look at his waist. 70 calories a shot adds up fast. Even on tv there is no way he drinks what the producers make it look like in the Ukraine episode he and his friend (who I have no idea why is on the show ... he makes every episode he is in bad) appear to drink about 4 bottles of vodka....yeah right.

                                                                            1. re: kpaxonite

                                                                              Yeah, but he's complaining about public persona and not what's IRL. We have no idea what Paula Deen eats off camera either. And, he freely talks about loving his drinks and getting drunk on his show. I'm not saying it's wrong that he drinks and really don't care, any more than I care about how much butter Paula Deen uses, just that it's the pot and kettle thing.

                                                                              1. re: chowser

                                                                                Bourdain isn't out there telling other people to smoke (which he's given up) and drink like he does. Deen is out there saying, "Cook my recipes which are soaked in butter and mayo."
                                                                                One is only harming himself without advocating that others do it. The other is actively promoting an unhealthy lifestyle for others. The value judgement, if any, is yours to make, but the difference is there.

                                                                              2. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                He got sh*tfaced during his first meal in Ukraine. So did Samir, who I actually like. Bourdain consumes first thing in the morning, like in Paris. i'd be disabled but apparently, he can still take it.

                                                                                1. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                  I'm not impyling that he is an alcoholic, but they can be some of the skinniest people you have ever seen.

                                                                              3. Former journalist here, and I suspect there's a bit more to the original questions.
                                                                                Bourdain's answers are all swipes at FN, and I have heard some similar "other network" swipes on his show.
                                                                                That's entertainment biz, unfortunately.

                                                                                He swipes at other Travel personalities (see Burning Questions episode).

                                                                                Nonetheless, I prefer Bourdain's personality over Paula "fry that butter, y'all" Deen on screen.

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                                                                                1. re: truepeacenik

                                                                                  Eveery single one of the quotes printed is something he wrote about in his last book "medium raw"

                                                                                  1. re: truepeacenik

                                                                                    Did anyone ever see the episodes where she deep fry's butter and serves it as an appetizer, or where she serves butter shots. with a bit of lobster that was poached in butter?

                                                                                    1. re: michele cindy

                                                                                      "deep-fried butter"? oh surely you're making that up... please?

                                                                                      I'm no prude about saturated fat, and if the recipe is some family tradition I'm OK, presenting it as something to aspire to is a different issue.

                                                                                      1. re: hill food

                                                                                        Not from paula deen, but dep fried butter is definitely real!


                                                                                        1. re: twyst

                                                                                          oh, well, if it's batter-coated and served like a corn dog how could it be bad?

                                                                                          that lead photo kinda makes me want to call CPS. and take a few showers with a sandpaper loofah.

                                                                                            1. re: michele cindy

                                                                                              The blurb for that episode reads:
                                                                                              "It's no secret that Paula's favorite ingredient is butter! Paula shares her recipes for Chicken Scaloppini with a Lemon Butter Sauce, Savory Cheddar Shortbread, and Double Chocolate Gooey Butter Cake and an audience request, Fried Butter."

                                                                                              Has anyone actually watched this episode, and noted how she introduced it? Was it something that she seriously promoted, or was it half in joke? 'Everyone is asking me how to fry butter... Here's a way you could do it'?

                                                                                              How long have Mexican-American restaurants been offering fried ice cream?

                                                                                              1. re: paulj

                                                                                                I saw it, and she ate it with glee! It was not a joke. They also presented her with a statue of her likeness made in butter. BTW I love fried ice cream. This butter episode was just over the top. You know, I wonder what it taste like? But 1st fetch me the Mylanta!

                                                                                                1. re: michele cindy

                                                                                                  I feel the need to note somewhere in here that she did not deep-fry pure butter. Because EVERYTHING, even deep-fried butter, requires a little bit of cream cheese.

                                                                                                  I enjoyed Paula before her accent started dripping all over the set.

                                                                                                  1. re: Wahooty

                                                                                                    How's this fried butter different, or worse, than fried ice cream, which has been around for decades (maybe even a century)?


                                                                                                    1. re: paulj

                                                                                                      It's a personal taste for me. Fried ice cream is a real treat once in awhile. The thought of fried butter makes me nauseous. It's over the top. It's something you would have to pay me to eat. On the other hand there's fried cheese, that's another story, bring it on!

                                                                                                    2. re: Wahooty

                                                                                                      There is cream cheese in her recipe. It's posted above.

                                                                                                      1. re: michele cindy

                                                                                                        Yes, I was just noting it for those who didn't feel like clicking through. :)

                                                                                                        The difference between fried ice cream and fried butter to me is quite simple: I can't ever see myself sitting down with a spoon and a bowl of butter.

                                                                                                        1. re: Wahooty

                                                                                                          Deep fried butter = deep fried cake frosting....I guess it *could* be good but I don't think I could deal with the mouthfeel of pure fat. Even a bite of pure cake frosting makes my mouth go haywire!

                                                                                                          1. re: Wahooty

                                                                                                            You know I just thought of a place where it might be nice. You can serve it with lobster instead of melted butter on the side. I'd try it then.

                                                                                                              1. re: mpjmph

                                                                                                                My dad's suggestion was a sort of deconstructed Chicken Kiev. The cream cheese, though, is a bit of a detriment in my opinion to any of these applications.

                                                                                                  2. re: michele cindy

                                                                                                    A comment from 2009 gives some context
                                                                                                    " A viewer saw one of her son's in an interview on Chefography, and he jokingly answered a question that his mother's favorite food was fried butter. The viewer then came up with the recipe, wrote in to Paula about it, and Paula had the viewer present the recipe on Paula's Party."

                                                                                                2. re: twyst

                                                                                                  How about deep fried Mars bar?
                                                                                                  ""If you're not enjoying a deep-fried Mars bar, you're just not drunk enough." Or so says the daredevil food writer Anthony Bourdain in his A Cook's Tour."

                                                                                                  1. re: paulj

                                                                                                    oh I've heard of Mars bars and Snickers and deep-fried Twinkies etc. (IIRC classic drunk food in Scotland and I'd try it) but butter? OK if it was in a small tater tot size portion I'd give it a shot, but a stick on a stick? hmmmm....I dunno (and I grew up in funnel cake country.)

                                                                                                    1. re: hill food

                                                                                                      They were small mouthsized pieces. I'd need a case of alka seltzer if I ate just one. It's kind of like deep fried ice cream. I'd be ok with that. Oh and the mars bar too!

                                                                                                  2. re: twyst

                                                                                                    I hear it's going to be at the Texas state fair this year. If I don't get trampled by the masses, I'll try to to get a few picture of the thing. Yuck :/

                                                                                                    1. re: alliegator

                                                                                                      they were selling it in Ames Iowa during the GOP straw poll

                                                                                            2. When Bourdain comments on other TV personalities, ever tell you something new and significant, or does he just confirm your own dislikes?

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                                                                                              1. re: paulj

                                                                                                What concerns me about Bourdain's lifestyle is that his father died of a massive heart attack at age 57.

                                                                                              2. I think SO many of you are missing the point & just getting into an "I hate/love Bourdain"/"I hate/love Deen" fight.

                                                                                                First off, the gist of Bourdain's comments were that 100% of Deen's recipes are a heart attack on a plate. And I completely totally agree with him.

                                                                                                Second, Bourdain's show is first & foremost a TRAVEL show folks. Not a COOKING show. A TRAVEL show with cooking overtones. And Bourdain rarely if ever does any cooking on the show. As the host of a TRAVEL show, you eat/drink what's available & what's offered, & Mr. Bourdain has always done that with courtesy & style, regardless of whether it's "healthy" or not. And if he sprinkles it with bon vivant, so be it. It's supposed to be entertainment tv.

                                                                                                Ms. Deen's forays into tv - if you've watched her from the beginning, have been nothing but the heart attacks on a plate that Bourdain accuses her of. And even though there are many aspects of southern cooking that AREN'T heart attacks on a plate - you'll NEVER see Paula cooking them.

                                                                                                Sorry, but I agree with Bourdain. Paula Deen IS bad for America & it's current dietary problems.

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                                                                                                1. re: Breezychow

                                                                                                  "Never" and "100%" are strong words/percentages for someone who is claiming people are missing the point.

                                                                                                  I'm looking at one of her cookbooks right now- roasted carrots, 2 tbs of butter for a pound of carrots, marinated tomatoes, marinated asparagus (yes, both w/o butter) and these are just a few of the vegs. Check out the cookbook "Paula Deen & Friends" before you make further misstatements.

                                                                                                2. This is why the man makes the big bucks. There are those who like him and those who don't. He puts his provocative opinions out there and people get all worked up. Right or wrong, he's made a good living out of being a cynical and opinionated person. At the end of the day Paula Deen and her boys aren't going to go belly up because of what Tony Bourdain says. Everyone involved is going to continue to make millions.

                                                                                                  At this point in the game, his disdain for The Food Network is pretty well documented. I would have been surprised if he had said something nice about those mentioned. I don't really care either way, but I'm not going to feel sorry for anyone mentioned in the article. They're all doing quite well. The Sandra Lee story in "Medium Raw" is actually quite entertaining.

                                                                                                  1. Is Paula Deen: “the worst, most dangerous person in America … plus, her food sucks”????

                                                                                                    Is Bourdain now an advocate for a healthy lifestyle who is protecting us from the dangerous Deen?


                                                                                                    Bourdain's story is about a cigarette smoking, hard drug and alcohol using, mediocre chef, who luckily survived this lifestyle, so he could write a popular book and host a travel TV show.

                                                                                                    We see him on TV getting drunk often and this guy is not shy about promoting greasy, fried and crazy huge portions of food himself.

                                                                                                    So why the Beef with Deen and other Food Network chef?

                                                                                                    This will blow over in a few days, with both of them going back to their huge income, celebrity chef gigs, but I really think that Bourdain's snarky comments about Food Network chefs have really, really been completely played out.

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                                                                                                    1. re: chefbrian1

                                                                                                      Well put. I enjoy Bourdain's snark as much as the next gal. He can be really funny, sometimes saying the things the rest of us are only thinking. But, I like Deen's upbeat persona, which can't be easy to turn on all the time, yet she comes across as unforced.
                                                                                                      Deen laughs, loves and cooks with a family she's blessed to have.
                                                                                                      Deen's not the reason America eats poorly, and Bourdain will tell you at every turn that Americans don't know how to eat because we're not consuming jellified bits and fish collar, or uni plukced fresh from the sea.
                                                                                                      Where Deen embraces her American-ism and Southern roots, Bordain at times seems to be ashamed and frankly, too cool to be amongst the rest of us American troglodytes.
                                                                                                      The schtick can get offensive at times.

                                                                                                      1. re: monavano

                                                                                                        Has Tony done any episodes that overlap with with Paula's 'Southern roots'? He's done Texas border stuff, an LA to Texas trip, and lately as California desert. I can also think of a rust-belt episode. But when I think of rural America, Andrew comes to mind before Tony.

                                                                                                        1. re: paulj

                                                                                                          He did SC, Civil War re-enactment and all. I remember a lot of great food and he seemed to like it. And oh boy, was he loving the rich food and desserts!

                                                                                                        2. re: monavano

                                                                                                          Sorry - I just don't see Paula Deen's act as "unforced". It's over-the-top acting as compared to how she used to be. I know several Southern women, and this is NOT how they like to be characterized. And if I were Southern (Northeastern born and bred), I think I'd cringe as this being one of the "standards" of Southern women.

                                                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                            No need to be sorry-- you're entitled to your opinion without the apologetic salutation. I think Deen's interactions with others, particularly her family, are joy-filled and natural.

                                                                                                            1. re: monavano

                                                                                                              It's funny how differently we all perceive things because the way Paula Deen interacts with her sons seems really schticky and put on to me.

                                                                                                              1. re: inaplasticcup

                                                                                                                Definitely shtick and put on to me too-I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But as for PD's influence over people's eating habits, I'm left to wonder a/b personal responsibility. I'm way over weight and gradually learning to eat more healthy. I decide what I'm going to eat. I even decide not to watch Paula and her, to me, forced laughter. But, I have nothing against her doing her thing. She seems okay to me. But I was disappointed to hear she may not be so kind to kids. Tony on the other hand has many endearing traits. He is especially wonderful when he talks with someone who he sees as passionate a/b their work. I notice he encourages them to do most of the talking while he give them his rapt Charlie Rose-ish attention.

                                                                                                            2. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                              I agree that Paula's TV persona seems to be just that - a TV persona she created that she identifies with her "brand". There is no way she's like that 24x7. Bourdain on the other hand comes across as being the same whether he's in front of a camera or not.

                                                                                                              1. re: Bunson

                                                                                                                Which may or may not be a good thing, depending upon one's tolerances. :-)

                                                                                                                1. re: Bunson

                                                                                                                  Pauler Deen has become a larger-than-life caricature of herself. Forget the food--she is now shilling, mattresses, has her own magazine, and has branded herself almost as much as the Kardashians. So has Emeril Lagasse, "Rach" and Giada.
                                                                                                                  I cannot say the same for Bourdain though--which is a blessing.
                                                                                                                  I happen to like Anthony Bourdain a lot--he makes no apologies for his bad-boy ways. He's pretty much standup!

                                                                                                                  1. re: jarona

                                                                                                                    Alton Brown has admitted that Good Eats is a loss-leader for his production company. He makes it up in speaking fees and book sales. That also true of Adria's El Bulli restaurant. I suspect that it is also the case for No Reservations.

                                                                                                                    OK, he doesn't do commercials. I wonder if that has to do with his 'integrity' or a lack of offers. Does he convey the image that companies want? I can understand why Ford hired Mike Rowe as a spokesman, since he has that 'truck tough' image - even though Dirty Jobs carries the same sort of 'view discretion' warning. Come to think of it, Tony might make a good vodka shiller.

                                                                                                                    1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                      I think Tony would make a great spokesperson for a toilet paper company. Just think of it. He can start out by stating "Lets wipe out the ***t from bad cooking shows".......take it from there-LOL!
                                                                                                                      I had no idea though that Alton Brown said Good Eats is a loss-leader for his production company. I'm a big Brown fan as well as Bourdain fan. ....and to tell you the truth, seeing Alton Brown shilling grape juice doesn't bother me--I'm such a hyprocrite but at least I admit it. It botthers me the way Deen and the other shill, but not my Alton.

                                                                                                                      1. re: jarona

                                                                                                                        Check the link in the recent thread about the end of Good Eats. Alton justifies the grape ads by talking about the farmer ownership of the company.

                                                                                                                        There are lots of ways in which celebrities can make some extra bucks off their fame. Commercials are one, branding is another. And it isn't a new phenomena. Even Arctic explorers had to pay off their debts by going around giving slide shows.

                                                                                                                        1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                          Will check it out!

                                                                                                                          Good points paulj!

                                                                                                            3. While I don't particularly like a lot of Paula Deen's recipes, she has a big following. I like her. She is entertaining. If I want to eat something with a stick of butter in it, that's my business.

                                                                                                              I have to assume Bourdain was grumpy that day. I'm sure he believes what he said but his comments were unwise and unproductive. I suspect he has caught a lot of crap from the "Food Network" and Paula Deen's fans.

                                                                                                              I will say this. I watch Paula Deen's show a lot more often than I watch Bourdain's shows. She is simply more entertaining. I'm sure he is a better cook but he could benefit from smiling occasionally and providing some entertainment.

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                                                                                                              1. re: Hank Hanover

                                                                                                                I side with you on butter being one's own business, and that's why I can't stand watching her shows - I can feel my arteries hardening just thinking about her style - that's just me. And I'm the polar opposite where I gravitate to Bourdain as I like to travel and did often years ago - again, just me.

                                                                                                                The bickering, judgmentalizing and name-calling should be left at the door, but it makes for good press - read everybody loves blood on the floor, on the pages, on their screen - any kind of blood. Anyone potentially covered by the media has to be so careful of what comes out of their mouthes whether it was intended to be private or otherwise, because the ability to instantaneously grab a sound bite, put it on the internet, have it dissected, regurgitated and redissected into infinitesimal pieces in every direction can have their words or actions literally live forever.

                                                                                                                1. re: Hank Hanover

                                                                                                                  "I have to assume Bourdain was grumpy that day. "

                                                                                                                  Having read his books and interviews, you can pretty much make that assumption about any day his eyes are open.

                                                                                                                2. Dean's persona and haute cracker cuisine are sickening. She also violates the old show biz commandment "never let 'em see your ass" as demonstrated here:


                                                                                                                  Actually surprised she hasn't splashed out her own version of Mickler's classic "White Trash Cooking."

                                                                                                                  Maybe if I had a few dogs sleeping under my porch I'd dig her more.

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                                                                                                                  1. re: truepeacenik

                                                                                                                    Oh my, you'd go apoplectic in my kitchen ;-) I ALWAYS wash after touching my dogs and going back to touch food, but they enjoy the smells and especially the treats. It give me great joy to have them with me, too.
                                                                                                                    I do understand that many people would not like it, as I would not like cats jumping on my countertops and other work surfaces.

                                                                                                                    1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                      My reaction as well. My dog is in the kitchen and getting puppy loving (and treats) while either my Dh or I are cooking. I find the dogs stopping by a nice touch.

                                                                                                                      And those who are squeamish about dogs in the kitchen definitely don't want to be there when the dishwasher is being loaded :-)

                                                                                                                      1. re: Janet from Richmond

                                                                                                                        Or when we slip our plates onto the floor for plate licking. Eh, the dishwasher gets them clean again!

                                                                                                                          1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                            Is there any more rational way??

                                                                                                                            With a well,septic system and great dishwasher,WHY WASTE WATER or expect the septic to like that grinder any better than a sink one.Scraping into a bowl for the chickens is work.

                                                                                                                            1. re: lcool

                                                                                                                              I've never understood that squeam point, as long as you wash them after - who gives a sh__? now if you put them right back on the shelf that would be weird.

                                                                                                                              1. re: hill food

                                                                                                                                Nor I about the squeam.No counter or table begging,mooching here.The plates when all are done is the trade off treat.We don't get pestered.

                                                                                                                          2. re: Janet from Richmond

                                                                                                                            You'll want to stay out of my kitchen after I've carved the Christmas Beast, when I preclean the cutting board!!!

                                                                                                                      2. Without taking sides in this debate, I'm just curious.

                                                                                                                        Has Deen ever criticized Bourdain?

                                                                                                                        I'm not being passively-aggressively rhetorical.

                                                                                                                        I honestly dunno know.

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                                                                                                                        1. re: ipsedixit

                                                                                                                          She probably doesn't worry about people whose names she can't spell, much less pronounce.

                                                                                                                          1. re: Kagemusha

                                                                                                                            To be fair Bourdain is much more difficult to spell than Deen, yet you managed to misspell her name two messages up.

                                                                                                                            1. re: kmcarr

                                                                                                                              Ha! Funniest comment of this entire thread.

                                                                                                                          2. re: ipsedixit

                                                                                                                            No. She was interviewed by Foxnews about Bourdain's comments. Here is a link to the interview.

                                                                                                                            She may have been acting classy as some of you say she acts southern but she said she was disappointed Anthony felt that way about her food. She said she couldn't remember ever cooking for him. She also invited him to her home and she would cook him a meal.

                                                                                                                            Bottom line... Bourdain was being decidedly unclassy and very close to obnoxious.

                                                                                                                            1. re: Hank Hanover

                                                                                                                              with all the talk about screen/public personae "Bourdain was being decidedly unclassy and very close to obnoxious." well that's his persona, he continually gives his cable cohorts crap.

                                                                                                                              I'd like to create analogies between the avalanche of food show hosts we have now and the one of televangelists we had in the 80's. I know how I'd cast these two.

                                                                                                                              1. re: Hank Hanover

                                                                                                                                She's doing an "aw shucks" passive agressive "I'm so much classier than you" thing. Fox is using this as an excuse to fan the culture war flames. Just like they did when the NYT did a piece extolling southern cooking:


                                                                                                                                1. re: tigercrane

                                                                                                                                  What?? Fox fan culture war flames?? Get outta here!

                                                                                                                                  1. re: FoodChic

                                                                                                                                    yeah they'd never stoop to THAT sort of sideshow

                                                                                                                                    1. re: hill food

                                                                                                                                      Nor would any of the OTHER major media outlets like ABC, CBS, NBC, MSN or CNN! @@

                                                                                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                        Always taking care to stay in grace with their advertiser/sponsers

                                                                                                                                    2. re: FoodChic

                                                                                                                                      Bourdain obnoxious??? You say that like it's a *bad* thing! I don't need her to cook for me to know that her food is deadly, either.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                        Bourdain being obnoxious is fun, so long as he is obnoxious towards someone you dislike. Imagine if Bourdain has a grudge against your favorite (non-Bourdain) culinary personality and engaged in mean-spirited humor at that person's expense.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: FoodPopulist

                                                                                                                                          Wouldn't bother me a bit. Especially when he's so dead right. He doesn't have a grudge, he has a point.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                            Exactly. It irks me that most can't decipher honest from meaness.

                                                                                                                                            Bourdain is always honest, and rarely just outright mean. He fired many cheap shots at Emeril, but he was honest enough to admit Emeril is a great chef and made a pilgrimage to Emeril's in New Orleans.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: FoodChic

                                                                                                                                              And maybe if AB met Paula Deen he'd stop treating her like an inanimate punching bag. I like AB, but I see him as actually being mean at times, and that's part of the appeal. He says the things that we think but would never say.
                                                                                                                                              It takes a bit of fame, a lot of money and a dash of power to wield to be able to get away with that. The rest of us, when not behind our avatars and screen names, have to be polite and restrained or often times face unpleasant consequences.

                                                                                                                                2. re: ipsedixit

                                                                                                                                  Shes quietly waiting for him to fatten up before deep frying him

                                                                                                                                  1. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                                                                    She's better brine him first - old birds get stringy...

                                                                                                                                    1. re: Claudette

                                                                                                                                      He seems to be doing a pretty full time job of pickling himself from the inside out...

                                                                                                                                      1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                        These 3 posts are the BEST in this thread - hysterical! ;-D

                                                                                                                                        1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                          And I bet he's got quite a smoke ring already...

                                                                                                                                        1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                          I try to avoid txt acronyms but mcf I would add to your ROFL: MAO

                                                                                                                                          1. re: hill food

                                                                                                                                            And he looks a tad stringy, too. no? :-D

                                                                                                                                    2. Nothing he hasn't been saying for years, on tour, in interviews, in his latest book. It's not news since there is nothing whatsoever new to this part of his act which I saw live in Providence a few years ago during his pre book release tour.

                                                                                                                                      1. It's interesting to read his take from 4 1/2 years ago on Deen from Ruhlman's blog. "I’m reluctant to bash what seems to be a nice old lady. Even if her supporting cast is beginning to look like the Hills Have Eyes--and her food a True Buffet of Horrors. A recent Hawaii show was indistinguishable from an early John Waters film. And the food on a par with the last scene of Pink Flamingos. But I’d like to see her mad. Like her look-alike, Divine in the classic, “Female Trouble.“ Paula Deen on a Baltimore Killing Spree would be something to see. Let her get Rachael in a headlock--and it’s all over."

                                                                                                                                        At least he's consistent.

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                                                                                                                                        1. re: DavidPalmer

                                                                                                                                          At least he's witty and entertaining.

                                                                                                                                        2. I think we give these people way too much credit for their importance. While I've been a fan of Bourdain since his first book (my favorite is still his biography of Typhoid Mary), I still regard him as a media personality, an author and entertainer. I only saw Paula Dean's show once...for about 10 minutes. In fact, I never heard of her before last year. I rarely watch food tv- only when my son's watching....Fieri, Zimmern, and I'll watch Bourdain when he goes some place that grabs me, like the Ukraine show (because I'm fascinated with Chernobyl). What strikes me about Paula Dean is that she is describing and representing a style of cuisine and eating that exists, for better or for worse. I cannot conceive that she has ever gotten anyone inclined to eat healthy to turn into a fried everything and bacon fat loving tub. Those people who regularly eat her kind of food probably don't even watch her show. The rest of us probably take care of our diets. Too many people are obsessive about their food...worse, too many people are obsessive about how other people eat....not to offend any vegans here. But a lot of us, probably most of us on CH, realize that if you are eating well overall, there is no harm in eating "bad for you" food on the occasions that you feel like it. I'm not into Paula Dean type food...but I do love a good cream sauce (like my ultimate killer, a white lasagna) and only wish I could afford to eat in steakhouses more often. But I also eat a lot of simply grilled fish and steamed or lightly sauteed seafood, and even enjoy making some vegan or near vegan meals...something I would do more often if my family didn't complain about it so much. I see no harm to the world because someone has a show devoted to "bad for you" food...there is no shortage of shows with "good for you" food. As for Bourdain, its really in his interest to say these things. Gives him publicity, and all these food celebrities want to believe that they are influential...that image brings them more money. Bourdain's image involves these insults against food celebrities. Its almost like professional wrestling. I wouldn't be surprised if he's friendly with them and on good terms in his private life. I don't believe everything I see on an entertainment show....there is no reality in a "reality" show. Do you guys really think he drank all those bottles of vodka -for lunch no less- on the Ukraine show?

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                                                                                                                                          1. re: EricMM

                                                                                                                                            I don't believe everything I see on an entertainment show....there is no reality in a "reality" show. Do you guys really think he drank all those bottles of vodka -for lunch no less- on the Ukraine show?
                                                                                                                                            To the former, absolutely. Now more than ever, "reality" tv is being exposed for the manipulation that it has always been, thanks to terrible behavior, media maneuvering and let's face it, utter and epic tragedy.
                                                                                                                                            To the latter, Bourdain and Samir looked shitfaced for realzies. I mean, WTF was all that crap about Bruce Willis?!!
                                                                                                                                            Great post.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: EricMM

                                                                                                                                              Love your post, and we're on the same page. Surely Paula Deen realizes that her fans won't be deterred by Bourdain's comments. Surely Tony realizes he's going to get under the skin of one of the Ray/Lee/Deen/Fieri bunch enough to get negative reactions. It keeps their names in the news and rallies the hardcore fans - and it sells more cookware and books, I suppose.

                                                                                                                                              I've been a Bourdain fan since reading Kitchen Confidential, but occasionally I roll my eyes at his snarkiness. I've never seen Paula Deen's show, but I admire her because of what she did to go from a single mother of two kids to what she is today. I've seen some of her recipes, and they're just not my style of cooking. To each their own.

                                                                                                                                              And I'm 99.9% sure he drank all those bottles of vodka!

                                                                                                                                              1. re: phee

                                                                                                                                                I'm not a fan of Paula Deen's show or her cooking, but I sure do admire the fact that she is self made. From poverty to an empire is the American dream which I still believe in. Perhaps Paula's fans feel inspired by that.

                                                                                                                                                I actually find Bourdain amusing at times. But I'd hardly hold him up as an example of healthy living with his smoking and drinking and the food he's usually eating on his show.

                                                                                                                                                I guess I'm just really tired of the assumption that the general public isn't capable of making their own choices....and living with the consequences of those choices.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: DaisyM

                                                                                                                                                  Thanks DaisyM. We do have a responsibility to ourselves.

                                                                                                                                                2. re: phee

                                                                                                                                                  I don't think any 2 people could consume that much vodka with going into a coma, unless they were raging alcoholics. More likely that he shared it with other crew members or passed the bottle around the room to share with locals to be friendly.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: saeyedoc

                                                                                                                                                    He's put a LOT of diligent effort into building his tolerances and has written about some legendary drinking.

                                                                                                                                                3. re: EricMM

                                                                                                                                                  Have you ever drank Vodka in the Ukraine? I have. It was the best vodka I ever had. And the only thing I liked there. Period.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: shanemio

                                                                                                                                                    If it was the best vodka it would have made you like other things there :)

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: shanemio

                                                                                                                                                      It looked like the vodka was pretty much the only thing Tony enjoyed too!

                                                                                                                                                  2. If you read any of his books, you'll see he takes shots at everyone, not just paula deen, from gordon ramsay to emeril, to rachel ray, bobby flay etc. I think part of this is the media taking this and turning this into a bigger hullabaloo than it really is. It makes for great discussion and web traffic. It's the classic polar opposites. The crusty upper easterner intellectual snob vs the sweet, simple southern country bumpkin. North vs south, blue vs. red, liberal vs conservative, etc....

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                                                                                                                                                    1. re: chezwhitey

                                                                                                                                                      If anyone follows Anthony Bourdain on Twitter you'll also notice the other people in the food industry he commonly tweets back and forth with are people that have, for lack of a better way to put it, "kept it real" and have done their own thing in their own style without bowing to the wants of mainstream food media...people like David Chang, Eric Ripert, and Michael Ruhlman.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Bunson

                                                                                                                                                        The difference is those people, David Chang, Eric Ripert, Michael Ruhlman, are real chefs and have cooking credentials so don't need to depend on a shtick. Paula Deen and the rest aren't and are food personalities. As I've said before, his calling them out for being what they are is like having Joshua Bell make fun of Justin Bieber about the type of music he makes. It's beneath him, it's what a lot of people think so why be snarky about them? If he wants to criticize people who don't keep it real, what about real chefs who've really sold out to TV, maybe someone like Gordon Ramsay?

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                                          Because he has talked about his great respect for Gordon Ramsay personally and has said that underneath that screaming maniac vulgar persona is a person who truly cares and has great kindness.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                                            Including Ruhlman in that list of real chefs makes me wonder about your definition of 'real chef'. I don't doubt his cooking knowledge, and skill, particularly as an author. But I don't see why that makes him more a chef than Paula. She has written cookbooks as well - and owned a successful restaurant before Gordon Elliot discovered her.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                              Ruhlman is more of a "food industry businessman"...mostly a writer but he's done his homework in kitchens and as a critic, but he takes what he does seriously to the point of being annoying (to me at least).

                                                                                                                                                              Ramsay has gone all in with the mass media/celebrity chef exposure but he can probably still outcook almost any other chef, celebrity or otherwise, out there.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Bunson

                                                                                                                                                                He loses a fair number of cookoffs on the F word with people who definitely aren't chefs or cooks.

                                                                                                                                                              2. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                He completed the program at the Culinary Institute of America in Hyde Park.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: rainey

                                                                                                                                                                  Yes, he took classes there, and wrote a book about it, but does not claim to be a graduate.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                    As I said, he completed the program -- the actual, full program. Same pressures, same expectations, same practice. No one in any of the classes he took was aware that he wasn't a candidate for graduation.

                                                                                                                                                                    He's the real deal and his respect for the profession is authentic as are his skills.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: rainey

                                                                                                                                                                      No he did not complete the full program. He passed through a number of classes as research for his book "Making of a Chef", but his stint there didn't even come close to a full program.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: kmcarr

                                                                                                                                                                        You beat me to it. That's a common misconception people have - none of which was even remotely implied by Ruhlman. I think he's always been upfront about it.

                                                                                                                                                          2. re: chezwhitey

                                                                                                                                                            hey whitey - yeah it's media hype, but I don't think Bourdain and Deen are doing the snobby vs. homey angle, rather the editors, producers, PR hacks are taking care of that. it's just too easy to turn it all into a this vs.that situation (when I think it's a something else vs.another thing altogether conflict)

                                                                                                                                                          3. I don't always agree with Bordain, but that Paula woman!!!!, what a fake, only thing true about her is her witches cackle.

                                                                                                                                                            If she wants to cook with tons of butter, ok do so, but she shouldn't say it is because she knows how poor folks eat, she may have been poor at one tme, not anymore and she has forgotten her roots.

                                                                                                                                                            I just don't like her

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                                                                                                                                                            1. re: dolly54

                                                                                                                                                              Besides, has anyone looked at the price of butter lately? No way, no how can poor folks afford that. Middle class folks would even have a problem with the price of butter in those quantities. Dairy futures, anyone?

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: rockycat

                                                                                                                                                                Tis true. I buy my butter in bulk from Costco, but it gets my attention when I go through a few sticks in one day (baking).

                                                                                                                                                            2. Bourdain has beef with the Food Network because he doesn't fit their foo-foo standards and obviously he could care less. I appreciate Bourdain and his rough road to celeb status -- "Kitchen Confidential" is timeless to anyone who has worked in restaurants. As for Paula Deen, her recipes actually work as well as those of Ina Garten. And for those who scoff at Deen becaue of butter and eggs and sour cream -- you can eat these things with a balance of vegetables and exercise (a.k.a. hard work) and never see your cholesterol rise. Anyone who banks on a cooking TV show for health needs to self-educate on nutrition. Tony I love ya -- give your liver a break occasionally. Paula, I love ya -- more butter and sour cream on that baked tater Please!

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                                                                                                                                                              1. re: BlueHorizon

                                                                                                                                                                I agree Paula should cook the way she wants to cook with the ingredients she wants to use, BUT, DON'T USE THE EXCUSE THAT POOR FOLKS EAT THAT WAY. gosh, Paula just fess us and say I LOVE BUTTER AND WILL USE IT UNTIL THE DAY I DIE.

                                                                                                                                                                DON'T BLAME IT ON POVERTY,

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: dolly54

                                                                                                                                                                  I've watched her show from the beginning-not much lately but I've never heard her mention anything about cooking for "poor folks".

                                                                                                                                                              2. I adore Anthony Bourdain and agree with what he has to say about Deen. Of all the annoying food personalities, she is in a class by herself. Everyone likes to think they are a good judge of phoney. Well, if I am as good a phoney sniffer as I am a foodie, she is full of s...

                                                                                                                                                                Agree also, sort of, about Ray, but her show strangely relaxes me, even while her schtick annoys at the same time. I do admit, that some of her recipes are pretty good jumping off points for coming up with ideas.

                                                                                                                                                                I thought he was a little hard on Guy Fieri. I agree that the production values are not the greatest, but the style of the show isn't supposed to be slick. I've never made any of his recipes, but some sound decent.

                                                                                                                                                                Not surprised by what he said about Sandra Lee. Again, my phoney meter is way up on her.

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                                                                                                                                                                1. re: middleagedfoodie

                                                                                                                                                                  I understand that Lee grew up poor, but money has not been a problem for her in many, many years, so to hear her drone on about saving money hits a sour note for me. It's like listening to Oprah telling people to tighten their belts during hard times, or Dr. Phil doling out advice on coupons.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                    I'm just curious what the monetary threshold is between being "one of us" to "one of them" is? $1 million? $5 million? At what point do you have to completely shut up about the way you grew up? It's been my experience that there are a lot of people that grew up broke and understand the value of money. They don't simply piss it away because the can. How high do you think the ratings for "Delicious dishes made with Opus One" would be?

                                                                                                                                                                    I don't care for Sandra Lee's half-assed approach to cooking, but I'm not going to ding the woman for making something of herself. I don't particularly care for Oprah Winfrey either, but she does seem somewhat connected to what stuff generally costs.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: ladybugthepug

                                                                                                                                                                      Sandra Lee has Hasselhoff money. People that rich of course can still pinch pennies. The fact is, they don't have to so to me, it comes off as trite, telling viewers how much money they saved!!

                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: middleagedfoodie

                                                                                                                                                                    As far as Guy Fieri, my take on his live discusiions, print interviews and comments comes down to almost constructive criticism - he is telling him to man up and take control of his tv persona rather then be led to someone else's idea of how they would like to present him.

                                                                                                                                                                    Same goes for the guy that force feeds himself worse then a faux gras duckie - you made a name, now stand up and stop with the gorging and be a tv personality that you want to be rather then the person that got you on the network.

                                                                                                                                                                    Deen was already there. She chose to go a less desirable path of taking advantage of a drawl and a good old girl thaaaang yaaa awwwl cooking two syllable ha~aaam in buttah.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                      I actually like Guy Fieri and by all accounts the guy you see on TV is the same guy you get off camera.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                        Bellachefa, wouldn't your advice get Guy fired? If he decided to "stand up...and be a tv personality that you want to be rather than the person that got you on the network"--would that independent action cost him his job at the fn? I mean, they don't seem that flexible to me. I always suspected inflexibility is why Tony Bourdain is no longer at the fn.

                                                                                                                                                                    2. Bottom line for me is that when I occasionally catch Paula Deen's show(s) there is hardly ever anything she makes that I would want to make....... or eat, for that manner. We try to eat as healthy as we can. For us a splurge is barbecued ribs or leaving the skin on the chicken....... or maybe regular pasta instead of whole wheat. And we're on a relatively tight food budget.

                                                                                                                                                                      Bourdain's take in that interview on FN chefs is pretty harsh, but it always has been. But I doubt that his interview would have had any visibility if he'd just answered "Oh, they're what they are". This kind of thing is good publicity for BOTH him and Paula Deen. They each have they're own fans.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. Perhaps the most amusing thing about this thread is CH is full of people complaining about FN and the show hosts yet when TB does it people get all up in arms.


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                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Davwud

                                                                                                                                                                          We could make an Olympic sport out of complaining about FN "stars". Schadenfreude is so much fun ;-)
                                                                                                                                                                          (here's hoping I don't get struck by lightning for that!)

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                            Schadenfreude IS fun, priceless, cheap fun.

                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: Davwud

                                                                                                                                                                            I responded to my thoughts on that and my posts were pulled. I'll leave it at that ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Davwud

                                                                                                                                                                              The difference is that he's doing so publicly, which makes his doing so PUBLICITY for FN. That's where my objection comes. I'd rather he just ignored the hell out of them, but I'm not a food celebrity, so what the hell do I really know? I'm sure Tony Bourdain understands the whole of the industry much better than I.

                                                                                                                                                                            2. I think Bourdain always goes a bit too far. I don't care for Paul Deen's cooking myself, but ever since Bourdain's episode re "Beruit," his shows and his personality are boring.

                                                                                                                                                                              P.S. I used to be nuts about the show - and him.

                                                                                                                                                                              Much adoooo about nothing, whatever he says, IMO.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. Meh. My family views Paula Deen as entertainment. We watch her show and laugh hysterically every time she adds another stick of butter. My mother has diabetes, so her style of cooking isn't really something we consider an option. I'm nowhere near a health fiend, but OMG... Look, most of FN is bad for the people who are watching it. Anyone who views it as anything but pure visual entertainment is going to get themselves in trouble.

                                                                                                                                                                                But I'm no real fan of Anthony Bourdain either. As others have posted, I've heard he's very nice in person, but I'm no fan of people who cultivate horrendous personas and pass them off as real. He's not exactly promoting good examples with everything he does.

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                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Heatherb

                                                                                                                                                                                  So who is the purveyor of healthy recipes on TV? I thought of the reformed Graham Kerr, and found that he appeared on a Rachel Ray show!

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                    In his heyday Graham Kerr was on of the most entertaining hosts, as well as Keith Floyd (rip). So much better then those we see today on the Food Network imho.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: michele cindy

                                                                                                                                                                                      Was his heyday before or after he found healthy cooking?

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                        TV was before his healthy bent.An avenue of food he persued after his wife needed a life saving change of diet.I have all of his old cook books and they don't bow to the modern health approach at all.Nor do any of my older cook books,pre 1980's

                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                      @paulj, I dunno. I don't even have cable TV, so most of what I watch is picked up at other people's houses.

                                                                                                                                                                                      There should totally be a Paula Deen drinking game. Every time she adds butter, sugar, ham or lard take a sip. Every time she adds a whole stick of butter, CHUG!

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Heatherb

                                                                                                                                                                                        Love it!!! Especially because I would need to be drunk to sit through one of her shows ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                  2. if the rumors that Paula Deen has been hiding her diabetes from the public are true, then it would make her even more irresponsible!

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                                                                                                                                                                                    1. I think this is a hilarious 'food war" between Paula supporters and dectractors, and AB lovers/haters.... I mean, how can you really compare the two?

                                                                                                                                                                                      People here seem to keep trying to do a "vs." campaign, but really? Aren't the two just totally different beings?

                                                                                                                                                                                      I shudder at all the butter/ canned soup, etc. that Paula uses on her show, but she is a VERY accurate representative cook for her cultural heritage and geograhic culinary history. I bet if you check out all the Junior League-type cookbooks in her area, maybe for the last 40 years - and including the 2011 versions... she would be right on target.

                                                                                                                                                                                      AB, is also right with his POV; world travel, poverty-based cuisines (aka, snout to tail). I think he represents more like 70+% of the worlds actual eating population as to what he consumes - except for things like, El Buli episode, Quebec foi gras frenzy, etc. But, he has a GREAT time, an ireverant take on life and you can't blame him eaither for his snark stoked by 15 years in NY kitchens, can you? If I had worked in that scene, I might approach the world that way too.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Anyhoo, of the two, I usually only watch AB on Travel Channel, as I like to travel to many places he does tho I usually skip the intestines.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Howver, I must admit, when I wanted to make a truly over-the top dessert for a friends southern BBQ party - I looked up Paula Deen's coconut cake and made it. Damn. To die for.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Pass me a stick of butter and some foi gras and a grilled snake.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Life is diverse:) Thank GOD!

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. Paula does not MAKE you cook her recipes, so it is frustrating when some people say that they dislike her due to her food. As with everything, a Paula Deen recipe with 3 sticks of butter is to be made and eaten in moderation.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. I really don't care for either one of them but if I had to watch one of them it would be AB-Paula is just too saccharine and fake

                                                                                                                                                                                          (I still think he was mean to say that tho, eh, maybe it was a joke.)

                                                                                                                                                                                          Paula also has a book coming out I think....I wonder if they both have the same publisher?

                                                                                                                                                                                          Edited to add-

                                                                                                                                                                                          Bingo-they both are with Simon and Schuster. Publicity stunt for sure.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: madeliner

                                                                                                                                                                                            Medium Raw, Bourdain's last book was published by Ecco an imprint of HarperCollins. I don't think he's ever had a contract with S&S.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: melo7

                                                                                                                                                                                              oops looks like I jumped to conclusions S&Schuster published Ruhlman's book with an intro by Bourdain


                                                                                                                                                                                              btw anyone know if that book is any good? looks interesting.

                                                                                                                                                                                              (I still think it was all for publicity for both parties though)

                                                                                                                                                                                          2. Bourdain has filled the gap I felt after Hunter S Thompson shot himself a few years ago. Except Thompson was apparently exaggerating or fabricating quite a few of his reported escapades. Bourdain, on the other hand, appears to have glossed over quite a bit from his junkie period.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. I couldn't agree more with Bourdain. I don't have cable and don't watch a lot of TV so I didn't even know who Paula Deen was until, oh, about a year ago, but I got a bad feeling watching a fat lady hawk cooking techniques that are based on s***loads of butter and sugar. Maybe her technique was good when she started. I don't know. But it's obvious that now, it's based on dumping maximum amounts of fat and sugar into her dishes.

                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm not against sugar, or butter. I love both. But they have to be judiciously applied.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Her physical appearance IS an issue. She's fat. Obesity is a really bad problem in this country. She's adding to it.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Personal note: At my worst, I weighed 60 pounds more than I do now. I recently lost 22 pounds due to portion control. So, I'm very sensitive about this issue. Americans have got to get real about their weight problem, because it's killing us, and Paul Deen is one of the chief malefactors.

                                                                                                                                                                                              What Bourdain said about Rachael Ray is right, too - he didn't attack her, he just gave her her due.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Back to Deen, I don't actually think she's the worst of the celeb chefs. For me, that would be Gordon Ramsay due to his sheer nastiness. But that's another thread.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Bourdain is no angel, but he earned his "food chops" and he's right about Deen. She totally sucks. I'm glad he called her out.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. If I were stuck on a desert island for a couple of days with only a few '24's' of cold Heinekens and some grilled blue shell crabs I'd rather spend them with A. B. than Deen. I suspect he would be 'you all's" choice also. LOL

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                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Puffin3

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'd only go because of the grilled blue shell crabs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                2. To be fair, some of Deen's recipes are good - I like her tuna burgers and make them a lot. But she does cook with tons of butter - and unabashedly so. Is she really any worse than some of the inflated male egos one sees on these shows? I think the amount of food wasted on shows like 'Top Chef' is obscene. Especially when there are starving people in the world. All these hyper critical food critics sit at a table and consume only one or two bites - from multiple plates - and I'm sure the leftovers go in the trash. And yet you hear no one criticizing this. I find it personally offensive to see food treated as entertainment only - and worse than that - wasted. Just as obnoxious are the competitive eating shows , or shows where it's a contest to see how much the host can gorge himself without vomiting. In the final analysis, I'm not sure any of these celebrity chefs/cooking show hosts are in a position of moral superiority - though certainly, Bourdain is entitled to his opinion. But is she really worse than any of the rest of them? It seems to me that aside from Pepin and a few others, there is a great deal of extravagance and gluttony in the food world.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Blythe spirit

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Well put, I could not agree more. Some times I feel that these shows are really missing the whole point of why someone becomes a cook or chef in the first place. With all of the competion in the desert or on some tropical island with that feel of a Survivor rather than just teaching something the average person could get from their experiences as a chef. At least Anthony Bourdaine shows us what the folks in different parts of the world consider food. I have read all of his books and can totally relate with his kitchen experiences having had alot of them myself in my career.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Borurdain's tweet regarding Paula Deens diabetes annoucement and supposed ling up with big pharma...

                                                                                                                                                                                                    NoReservations Anthony Bourdain

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Thinking of getting into the leg-breaking business, so I can profitably sell crutches later.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. I just read this on a blog where someone who posts there is GREAT with puns:

                                                                                                                                                                                                      "Paula Deen's diabetes confession was preBourdained."


                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. At the end of the day, a shill is a shill. You don't see Tony making money advertising meth clinics or doing nicotine patch commercials. Although he did burn all that cocaine, but he wasn't paid millions to do it, it was just part of an episode of his show.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Bottom line in my opinion, she protected her brand and remained hush. Her choices that began 3 YEARS AGO, speaks volumes about her character.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'd rather shoot back a shot of tequila with Tony rather then do a deep fried butter shot with Paula. Because he has always been honest about his demons. She on the other hand panders to who will pay her the most. Sad, since at her age, and considering the succesful ride she has been on, making the almighty dollar is not going to improve her life. She's already living on easy street. You can't buy health, and selling a pill, when lifestyle changes are the most important. . . . .

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I've scratched my head over PD's choices too, and wonder why, with a veritable empire, she *needs* to shill for Pharma, and I think I have the answer. Well, two answers; Bobby and Jamie.
                                                                                                                                                                                                          It's obvious she has more money than she could possibly know what to do with, but I truly think she wants her legacy to her family (kids, grandkids) to be enormous wealth and prominence.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                                                            No, no, it's so she can afford to go to London to be measured for handmade shoes by George Glasgow. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                            oops - it's so Bobby and Jamie can afford to go to London for those shows (men's only).

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Oh, good one! But seriously, getting customs suits and shoes is right up there on my list of things to do on a layover ;-)
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Wait....that and shutting down a whole restaurant for just me and 20 courses.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. What's most absurd is that this topic has generated so many replies.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Curt the Soi Hound

                                                                                                                                                                                                            *insert Beavis and Butthead laugh here* -totally agree.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Not giving any disclaimer here about which one I like or hate... but PD got very fat when she got very rich and started eating fancy restaurant food (or maybe she could finally afford that giant vat of buttered butter and gobbles it up while watching AB's show). Why didn't she get that fat and ill years ago when she was poor and making and selling her own food? And why do people think recipes she sells to make money are the things she eats morning noon and night? AB, well, wtf does he care? His show is on opposite hers. Just this morning I watched his show, and he lauded and ingested food laden with pork fat and butter but it was a black owned restaurant so in his PC mind it had to be glorified because of who cooked it. And he's not the picture of health either. And if he hates her so much, shouldn't he be happy she's hurrying herself along in life?

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Honestly. PD should just send him a porcelain bus carved from butter and be done with it. Or spend her entire fortune having someone create butter flavored vodka.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ugh, did I just reply? I'm doing shots with AB out of butter shot glasses, I just couldn't help it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Curt the Soi Hound

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Maybe I'm being obnoxious, but if it's "absurd" to you, why are you reading? Oh, and posting.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. You know, I initially defended Paula. Now I learn that she knew for three years now that she had type 2 diabetes. Are you kidding me?! Perhaps she does not cook 'high fat' every day ..... But she certainly gives viewers the impression that she does. And she's given no inkling to viewers that this lifestyle is dangerous to health ? In fact, quite the opposite ? I'm sorry. That is not responsible or accountable behavior - on her part or the network's. THAT IS FLAT OUT WRONG.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Blythe spirit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  That seems to be the prevailing opinion among those who care to express one, but it's not mine. I'm no fan of PD, have never seen her show, and have no interest in her food, but when she said: "Honey, I'm your cook, not your doctor," I agree completely.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: GH1618

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    If she's not your doctor, why is she peddling prescription drugs???


                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      You don't have to be an MD to be a drug company rep! Doctors can prescribe drugs, but profiting from their sale is frowned upon.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      However in the 1920s Ed Bernays used doctors to sell bacon.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      " To bump up sales, Bernays put together a physicians survey advocating a "hearty breakfast." Eggs and bacon, according to the survey, fell in that category. Soon after Bernays mailed the results to 5,000 more doctors, bacon sales soared."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      So now we have a bacon saleswoman promoting drug sales! Only problem, it isn't Tony's drug of choice! :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Wow Paul... You seem awful fond of Ms. Deen ( drawl implied ) :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: rozz01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          He doesn't to me. He seems like someone who believes in treating people fairly. There is a double standard operating here. There are a lot of celebrity cooks selling things through a television show, but PD is criticized for this because she is female, southern (but not Louisianan), and promotes lowbrow food.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If you think I'm fond of her, you should know that I have never seen her show, own nothing with her name on it, and had barely heard of her before this latest business. From what I've read, I'm not interested in her cuisine.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: GH1618

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            "PD is criticized for this because she is female, southern (but not Louisianan), and promotes lowbrow food."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bourdain has also been criticized in this thread. Is it because he's male, white and from the north? Or, maybe there are legitimate reasons for both being criticized? Paula Deen isn't just selling cookware like other celebrities; she's selling medication for a condition that is caused by what she's also selling, food that's bad for you. It's like showing the glories of smoking, while selling nicotine patches.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Back in the days when I watched TV, I seem to recall a 'portly' guy always advertising diabetes meds.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Or would it not be as convincing if the guy were slim?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Rella

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "Or would it not be as convincing if the guy were slim?"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Who knows with advertising. Remember the "I'm not a doctor but I played one on TV" guy who did commercials for something medical? People fall for the strangest things. I don't mind someone who fits the demographics doing an ad for something but if the guy were doing it w/ a deep fried Twinkie, that would be another issue.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Bourdain is criticized merely because he's obnoxious.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: GH1618

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  My criticism of him was that it's hypocritical for him to slam Paula while he does the same for alcohol and is also anti-healthy. I'd be more harsh if it turned out he'd been an alcoholic for years, continued to glorify it and lands a AA contract and pushes for moderation in drinking.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    You realize that's not possible, right? The AA contract? Your analogy doesn't hold; Bourdain has never hidden his drinking. As for AA; it's a positive and free intervention, life saving for many. Victoza is the opposite and the sell, "keep eating the crap you like and take this $500 a month pill" is neither.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      If there had been a drug for alcoholism, I would have used that but AA is the only thing I could think of. Bourdain doesn't hide his drinking any more than Deen hid her eating/cooking habits. He could very well be an alcoholic and know it w/out sharing it. That's his business, as it was w/ Paula. But, w/ her, now she's pushing the drug and moderation. He's not and that's the distinction I was drawing. If he did, I'd feel the same as I do about Paula.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And on top of her being the spokesperson for the drug it just so happens one of her sons is going to have a new cooking show which will focus on healthier versions of his mother's recipes/food.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          There are drugs for alchoholism, have been for decades, at least. Paula hid her diabetes diagnosis until she could get that drug deal. She's not pushing "moderation," she's pushing an expensive, unsafe drug with a black box warning to those who don't want to change the eating habits that got them sick. Bourdain is just living his life, writing his books, doing his shows and commenting publicly on things he cares about. He's open about how he lives, is not pushing alcohol and Antabuse.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Honestly, given how ill advised her diet and that drug are, if she's actually taking it and eating the same old food, I fell sorry for her, betting her life that's going to be a good thing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You're missing my point. GH1618 said there was no criticism for Bourdain, other than his being obnoxious and I was saying there is a huge difference between what Bourdain has done and what Deen has done. I'm not saying Bourdain has done any of the things Deen has done. I'm saying there's a difference between what they've done which is why they're being treated differently here, other than the fact that Deen is a southern low brow woman, as GH put it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "My criticism of him was that it's hypocritical for him to slam Paula while he does the same for alcohol and is also anti-healthy."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              This is what I was responding to. I don't believe he's hypocritical. And I don't really see how he's "anti healthy." He may not have exclusively healthy habits, but that's different.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I agree that this isn't an elitist issue. I think it's more of a cynicism rating.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                My criticism of him was before all this w/ the diabetes, above. At the time, I didn't see a difference between the way he was and the way Paula was, when he was slamming her. Now, there is. But, GH was putting it down only to his being obnoxious. I thought he was hypocritical before.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. When this OP was written PD had not announced she had diabetes. Has Bourdain come forward with any comments about PD since the announcement?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes. On twitter, Tony said: "Thinking of getting into the leg-breaking business, so I can profitably sell crutches later."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I interviewed Tony several years ago (through the net, not in person) for a story about Rocco DiSpirito. He shot straight from the hip at how he thought Rocco was treating his staff terribly in "The Restaurant." (Remember that debacle?) He is a good friend of Rocco's, but Rocco's behavior and refusal to pay his staff really bothered him.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I know someone who had a chance encounter with Tony on a trip and he was gracious and talked with her and posed for photos. Although he had issues at first with Rachael Ray, Tony actually found some common ground with her (They both love the New York Dolls) and has since reconciled and said some nice things about her.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Although he has a "Bad Boy" image, deep down I think he really is a gentleman. He also has principles. And whether it's his pal Rocco or Miz Paula, when he sees something he believes is wrong, he 's not afraid to call it out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: TrishUntrapped

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Trish, I was hoping for an interview link, something beyond Aug 18th...Twitter "notes" aside I wondered if the media was revisiting AB's opinion in interview form.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              You could look up his speaking events, and see if any local media gets an interview, or buy a ticket yourself. Apparently earlier this month he was on Cayman Islands hosting some annual celebrity 'campout' event with Eric (R).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: TrishUntrapped

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "... not afraid to call it out."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Fear doesn't enter into it. There is no risk to Bourdain. He's in the business of being provocative. Controversy is his bread and butter.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: GH1618

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm amazed how people cannot discern controversy from speaking the truth. He rarely says things that aren't true. Most people just don't like or know the truth.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: FoodChic

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I didn't say he was untruthful. For that matter, I didn't say I didn't like what he said. My point is that he, too, is marketing himself, and no courage is required on his part to do so.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: GH1618

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    So because he may have been controversial on other occassions (and I'm not saying he was) that means EVERY comment or critique he has is deliberately controversial as a way to market himself? You are completely removing the possiblilty that what he said abot PD is how he genuinely feels and thought it needed to be said? I think he did a lot of people a good service by calling her out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Spiritchaser

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Now I didn't write that EVERY thing he says is self-promotional. And I certainly didn't write that he is insincere. Why can't folks take a statement at face value without adding extra spin to it?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Referring back to the original link, which is to nothing more than a teaser for a Reader's Digest article (which I have not read), you will see that is nothing more than opinions, and they are worthy of publication mainly because they are provocative. AB calls PD "the worst, most dangerous person to America." That's hyperbole, and it implies that PD is the cause of the obesity problem rather than a symptom it, an arguable point. AB is paid to say stuff like that for publication, and he is probably paid more for being more provocative. I am not saying that's wrong — I'm just saying that's what he does.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: GH1618

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        You were the one that stated "He's in the business of being provocative. Controversy is his bread and butter." You really think his main drive is to deliberately be controversial and/or provocative?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Spiritchaser

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't know what "main drive" means, but like most of us, he does something to earn money, and what he does is write books and appear on television and in magazine articles and such. I don't say that he is false — only that he has an incentive to be provocative. The statement quoted in the link of the original post is an example of that. He's not reaching for a fair evaluation of PD there, which would not get as much attention.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't see trying to decide who is saint or sinner here. Those I fault most are those who think PD's contributions to cooking are worth watching. That includes both her fans and her detractors. AB at least is entertaining reading. I did read Kitchen Confidential, but nothing since.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: TrishUntrapped

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I know a guy who runs a hipster lunch counter-type of place down here and has spent time working in Les Halles back in the day. He says that AB in person still has the sharp wit but is a surprisingly quiet person compared to the big media persona.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: TrishUntrapped

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  "Tony actually found some common ground with (Rachel Ray) (They both love the New York Dolls) " - Trish

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  well who doesn't love the New York Dolls?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              3. Paula is not the worst - but what she is doing now is inexcusable. Especially the part where she'll now be a spokesperson for a drug company. At some point, people who knowingly eat to the point that they create type 2 diabetes are going to have to be held accountable, just as smokers now are.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It's also true that many other food show hosts should be called to account. I can only imagine
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                what Mother Theresa would think, were she to witness the gluttony, the waste and the frivolous treatment of 'food as entertainment' ethos that one sees on MANY shows. Food is a precious resource and should be treated as such. Shows like Top Chef and other competitive shows are very guilty in this regard ; Bourdain is a judge on these shows. How come I rarely hear criticism about that? Bourdain was certainly correct about Paula Deen, and he has the right to speak his mind - but perhaps Paula is not the only pandering hypocrite in 'food land'.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Blythe spirit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Um. I guess you don't hear complaint about that because this is CHOWHOUND, where people come to revel in everything about food and deliciousness. Here's the Chowhound manifesto : http://www.chow.com/manifesto

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Blythe spirit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Who would have guessed?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tony - ex junkie, brutally honest but always a gentleman

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Paula - new junkie, deeply secretive when it is lucrative


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Mother Theresa?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Edit: I've added Peter Tosh to the mix!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    All in one thread?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ha ha ha! It is kind of funny. Paula is food/butter/bacon/ sugar junkie though - so it probably takes a junkie to know a junkie.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It's tough being a celebrity chef. You have to live up to WWMTD. Tough standards.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          since they are both interested in money and publicity, I'm guessing any battle covered by the press is fine with both of them. Since they are both addicts or have been, perhaps they understand each other very well. Neither of them is Eric Ripert and Tony is definitely in the category of the pot calling the kettle black.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. after seeing PD on the Chew and listening to her explanation of why it took her 3 years to admit to her condition, I'd go with AB. she really seemed to skirt the subject bringing tears into the mix too, I simply didn't buy it or her performance on the Chew. and she's getting compensated by an agency for speaking on behalf of this 'now'? hum.........

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ya just gotta give Bourdain credit. He called her on her dirty laundry without airing it. He waited and let her hang herself out to dry.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          He also never concealed his own.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            God told him not too (snark!).