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hobbess Aug 17, 2011 01:17 AM

Is there a good spot to get chowhound-worthy frozen jiaozi dumplings in Orange County?

Or, is it one of those things you've got to journey to the San Gabriel Valley to find the really good ones?

If the latter is true, what are the best choices in SGV?

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  1. JAB RE: hobbess Aug 17, 2011 06:39 AM

    101 Noodle Express opened up in Irvine fairly recently. I didn't see a freezer in the dining area like in the SGV location but, perhaps they have frozen ones in the back of the house.

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      Porthos RE: JAB Aug 17, 2011 07:27 PM

      101 Noodle Express in Irvine does not offer frozen dumplings for sale. Someone inquired about getting dumplings to go and what the cost would be. The reply was standard price because they [allegedly] make each order on the spot and don't use/have frozen ones.

      I second Dean Sin World.

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      306 N Garfield Ave # 2, Monterey Park, CA

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        ipsedixit RE: Porthos Aug 17, 2011 08:22 PM

        I don't see why 101 Noodle wouldn't sell you raw ones to go, and then just take them home to freeze yourself.

        If they can (1) do takeout and (2) presumably make as many dumplings as a customer wants, then if you called in your order in advance (e.g. I want 100 dumplings), why wouldn't they accommodate your request?

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          Porthos RE: ipsedixit Aug 17, 2011 09:17 PM

          I didn't say they wouldn't do it. I said they had said it would be the same price as ordering it there. You'd be paying way too much to take home and freeze and it'll be 5-8 times more expensive than the deal you'll be getting at Dean Sean World.

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            ipsedixit RE: Porthos Aug 17, 2011 09:30 PM

            You'd be paying way too much to take home and freeze and it'll be 5-8 times more expensive than the deal you'll be getting at Dean Sean World
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            Factor in gas for a roundtrip from OC to SGV.

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              Porthos RE: ipsedixit Aug 17, 2011 10:00 PM

              True. Would be about a wash for the first 50 dumplings. You'd have to get 100+ to make up the difference.

              Dean Sin World has been selling these pretty good mini pork buns recently...

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              306 N Garfield Ave # 2, Monterey Park, CA

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                ns1 RE: Porthos Aug 18, 2011 09:20 AM

                "Dean Sin World has been selling these pretty good mini pork buns recently..."

                do tell. just picked up 50 dumplings + XLB...DSW owns my soul.

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                  Porthos RE: ns1 Aug 18, 2011 09:36 AM

                  They're in plastic bags on the table behind the cash register right next to the pastries. You can also ask if she has ones in the kitchen right out of the steamer.

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              hobbess RE: Porthos Aug 21, 2011 11:59 PM

              I'm curious about the pricing and economics of frozen jiaozi dumplings.

              If a place sells both frozen dumplings and dumplings that you will eat in the store at a table, how much of a difference is there between the two dumplings? For those dumplings that will get served inside the store, how often are they being frozen first?

              And, how much of a price difference are we seeing between frozen dumplings and the ones being served in the store?

              What are the prices for Qingdoa Bread Food's frozen and tableside dumplings, the prices for DSW frozen and tableside dumplings, for Mama Lu's frozen and tableside dumplings, for 101 Noodle's SGV location frozen and tableside dumplings?

              If there's a signifigant difference in price and not so much difference between the dumplings, don't they have to worry about the frozen dumplings cannabalizing the sales of their tableside dumplings?

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                ns1 RE: hobbess Aug 22, 2011 08:31 AM

                DSW instore - $6/10 fresh $13/50 frozen.

                I don't have a problem buying 10 fresh and leaving with 50 frozen.

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                  Chandavkl RE: hobbess Aug 22, 2011 10:03 AM

                  I think Qingdao is like 50 cents each frozen and 75 or 80 cents each cooked for the fish. I think the differential is reasonable.

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                    ipsedixit RE: hobbess Aug 22, 2011 09:02 PM

                    If a place sells both frozen dumplings and dumplings that you will eat in the store at a table, how much of a difference is there between the two dumplings? For those dumplings that will get served inside the store, how often are they being frozen first?
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                    Any dumpling place worth their salt will make their dumplings to order, or at the very least not serve you dumplings from the freezer if you are dining in.

                    The price difference between frozen and dine-in dumplings is simply the cost of labor (i.e., to cook and serve the dumplings).

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                bulavinaka RE: Porthos Aug 17, 2011 09:38 PM

                I have no idea how the OC 101 compares to the Culver City 101, but neither seems anywhere close in business model to the SGV one. Maybe they are afraid that if they offer the frozen ones for sale in bulk, that it will cannibalize sales of the "fresh" ones. I've already given up on the 101 outside of SGV. They seem to be dumbing down the product and experience - can't blame the dumbing down on the local markets without first giving them a chance to make the misstep.

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                  ipsedixit RE: bulavinaka Aug 17, 2011 09:44 PM

                  I'm pretty sure the non-SGV 101s are just catering to their local demographics.

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                    bulavinaka RE: ipsedixit Aug 18, 2011 07:06 AM

                    Offering french fries with beef rolls would be an attempt to cater to the local demographics. Offering subpar beef rolls and charging in-house prices for frozen jiaozi falls outside of that realm IMHO.

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                    JAB RE: bulavinaka Aug 18, 2011 08:19 AM

                    I go to the SGV 101 for lunch on a pretty regular basis and the OC location, besides not having frozen dumplings available, is the same as far as their beef roll and dumplings. I can't speak to the CC location as I haven't been but, from reading about it here, it seems to be very different than the SGV & OC locations.

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                    JAB RE: Porthos Aug 18, 2011 08:14 AM

                    Damn!

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                  ns1 RE: hobbess Aug 17, 2011 09:27 AM

                  dean sin world is my standby

                  1. Chandavkl RE: hobbess Aug 17, 2011 09:42 AM

                    Qingdao Bread Food in Monterey Park has the best fish dumplings. Pork, beef, and lamb dumplings are also excellent.

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                    301 N Garfield Ave, Monterey Park, CA

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                      hobbess RE: Chandavkl Aug 19, 2011 01:17 AM

                      I think I might have tried Qingdao Bread Food before after I read about it in a review in Los Angeles Magazine. But, if that was the place I went to, I had a lot of trouble ordering because it didn't seem anybody spoke English. In case I have trouble communicating with the staff again, how do you let them know you want to order frozen fish dumplings?

                      And, while were at it, could somebody explain why these dumpling places have confusing English titles with names like Bread Factory in it or why Dean Sin World has a big sign in English at their store that says "Bakery Deli". I get that they're probably referring to the dough in the dumpling, but is 'bread' or 'bakery' just a literal translation of their Chinese name?

                      Finally, in that same review of dumplings in Los Angeles Magazine, it also spotlighted Dumpling 10053 and their fillings like steamed pumpkin with shrimp sounded really intriguing to me. I've never seen that filling before so I'm wondering if that's even somethig you'd find in China or something they're doing to cater to local tastes. Has any chowhounds tried this place and what did you think of it? Do they also sell frozen dumplings?

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                      10053 Valley Blvd Ste 2, El Monte, CA 91731

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                        Chandavkl RE: hobbess Aug 19, 2011 10:36 AM

                        No problem ordering frozen dumplings at Qingdao because the method of ordering is a check off sheet which is in both English and Chinese. Not sure how Qingdao got its name--the first time I went by I assumed it was a bakery. I presume it's just a very imprecise translation of dumpling. The Bakery Deli signage for Dean Sin World is a holdover from the prior tenant of that location that they never bothered to change. Dumpling 10053 is temporarily closed and will reopen in Monterey Park as Fortune Dumpling in the coming weeks. Who knows what the new menu will look like.

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                        Dumpling 10053
                        10053 Valley Blvd Ste 2, El Monte, CA 91731

                        Dean Sin World
                        306 N Garfield Ave # 2, Monterey Park, CA

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                          JThur01 RE: Chandavkl Aug 19, 2011 02:35 PM

                          Ah, but despite being known for their dumplings and xiao long bao, Dean Sin World is a bakery of sorts...they do the crab shell pastries. And also those wonderful Tianjin Earhole Cakes.

                          I had the same issue at Qingdao, but it was because I broke protocol. All I needed to do was go by the check off sheet and it would have been fine.

                          I've seen pumpkin and shrimp dumplings on other menus, but since I'm not a shrimp eater, I do not recall where. Can anyone help out here?

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                          306 N Garfield Ave # 2, Monterey Park, CA

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                            raytamsgv RE: JThur01 Aug 19, 2011 05:09 PM

                            101 Noodle Express. I'm not a shrimp eater, but I actually like their version of that dumpling.

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                              JThur01 RE: raytamsgv Aug 20, 2011 07:05 PM

                              Ray, thanks. Now that you mention it, that is precisely where I recall seeing the item on the menu, 101 Noodle House. The one in San Gabriel, just down from Mama's and next to the bowling alley.

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                      heinous RE: hobbess Aug 17, 2011 10:50 AM

                      If you're really in a bind, you can check out your local 99 Ranch. Dumplings freeze well, so there are decent dumpling selections to be found at the market. I'd recommend the Newhall brand dumplings which are made locally (I think in the SGV). I've also had good luck with the Wei-Chuan brand, but I might be biased because I know the family that owns it, and I know how much they emphasize quality and flavor - especially with their dumplings.

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                      17713 Pioneer Blvd, Artesia, CA

                      1. raytamsgv RE: hobbess Aug 17, 2011 03:06 PM

                        You could most likely just ask if they have any frozen ones. Most places will make dumplings and freeze them for later use.

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                          hobbess RE: raytamsgv Aug 18, 2011 12:52 AM

                          Is Dean Sin World related or connected to Mama's Lu Dumpling House?

                          I was googling up Dean Sin World, and one of the blogs kept calling the owner of Din Sin World, Mama Lu.

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                          306 N Garfield Ave # 2, Monterey Park, CA

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                            JThur01 RE: hobbess Aug 18, 2011 11:41 AM

                            Yes, sort of. Mrs. Lu opened Mama' Lu, then she retired and a daughter took it over. Mrs. Lu got bored in retirement and opened Dean Sin World.

                            I'll also recommend Dean Sin World, though Qingdao Bread Food (directly across the street) is also a good place for dumplings.

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                            Qingdao Bread Food
                            301 N Garfield Ave, Monterey Park, CA

                            Dean Sin World
                            306 N Garfield Ave # 2, Monterey Park, CA

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                              hobbess RE: JThur01 Aug 18, 2011 05:25 PM

                              So, then, is DSW better than Mama Lu or would you say there's no difference between their dumplings? Why is everybody choosing DSW, but not Mama Lu?

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                                ipsedixit RE: hobbess Aug 18, 2011 08:23 PM

                                Because if you want the original article (read: the best) you go to the teacher (the mom at DSW) and not the student (daughter at Mama's Lu).

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                              raytamsgv RE: hobbess Aug 18, 2011 12:31 PM

                              I'm pretty sure they're related. Their XLBs taste the same to me--very strong peanut flavor.

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                                ns1 RE: raytamsgv Aug 18, 2011 01:25 PM

                                i would hope not since my GF is allergic to peanuts and eats DSW XLB frequently (unless you're just referring to the flavor)

                                I don't get any peanut flavor at all.

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                                  Porthos RE: ns1 Aug 18, 2011 02:41 PM

                                  DSW XLB are good...and they cure peanut allergies!

                                  I don't get peanut flavor either. Maybe sesame? It's a bit sweeter than I would like. Maybe the MSG. Not sure. The pan fried buns are killer though. Probably my single favorite dish there.

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                                    raytamsgv RE: ns1 Aug 18, 2011 03:57 PM

                                    One of my sons is allergic to peanuts. He reacted badly the DSW XLB. Perhaps it was cross contamination. However, the Mama Lu XLBs (and many other items) are listed on the menu as containing peanuts. I'll ask the next time I'm at Dean Sin World.

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                                      ns1 RE: raytamsgv Aug 18, 2011 04:05 PM

                                      very strange - like I said, GF is very allergic to peanuts. Can't go into 5 Guys.

                                      Please report back. Maybe she got cured (lol)

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                                        ipsedixit RE: ns1 Aug 18, 2011 08:25 PM

                                        I believe the "peanut" flavor that raytamsgv is detecting is sesame oil that Porthos mentioned up above. Sesame allergens are similar in biochemical structure to peanut allergens.

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                                          raytamsgv RE: ipsedixit Aug 26, 2011 02:39 PM

                                          I called up Dean Sin World. The lady said that the XLB have peanuts in them.

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                                            ns1 RE: raytamsgv Aug 26, 2011 04:04 PM

                                            this post confirmed via another call.

                                            (no offense raytamsgv, too many people FOS on the internet. gotta doublecheck)

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                                              raytamsgv RE: ns1 Aug 26, 2011 04:22 PM

                                              No problem. No worries.

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                                              Porthos RE: raytamsgv Sep 12, 2011 01:17 PM

                                              She uses peanut oil. Not peanuts. I asked too :)

                                              I know it's no difference to someone with a peanut allergy, but it's a big difference to someone who doesn't.

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                                                ns1 RE: Porthos Sep 12, 2011 01:27 PM

                                                a pretty big difference.

                                                i hear conflicting reports about the impact of peanut oil on people with peanut allergies (ie there is supposedly none)

                                                Research indicates that refined peanut oil will not cause allergic reactions in most people with peanut allergies.[37] However, crude (unrefined) peanut oils are strongly flavoured, and have been shown to contain protein, which may cause allergic reactions.[38] In a randomized, double-blind crossover study, 60 people with proven peanut allergy were challenged with both crude peanut oil and refined peanut oil. The authors conclude, “Crude peanut oil caused allergic reactions in 10% of allergic subjects studied and should continue to be avoided.” They also state, “Refined peanut oil does not seem to pose a risk to most people with peanut allergy.” However, they point out that refined peanut oil can still pose a risk to peanut-allergic individuals if oil that has previously been used to cook foods containing peanuts is reused.[39]

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                                      selfportrait93 RE: raytamsgv Aug 18, 2011 08:01 PM

                                      Ahaaa!!!! My son hates peanuts and noticed this distinct flavor when I let him try XLB from DSW. Because of this, he hates XLBs. However, he loves Qingdao's fish dumpling.
                                      I really want to convince him that not all XLBs contain peanut or anything similar to give it that peanutty taste.
                                      Where should I buy my next package of frozen XLB?

                                2. matikin9 RE: hobbess Aug 19, 2011 10:53 AM

                                  Agreed with above posters about Mama Lu's. I've never bought the frozen dumplings from Dean Sin World, but you can't go wrong there if they're the same family.

                                  My parents have been buying dumplings from there family since I was a kid, when you had to drive up to their house and ring the doorbell to buy frozen dumplings! :D

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                                  306 N Garfield Ave # 2, Monterey Park, CA

                                  1. Chandavkl RE: hobbess Aug 20, 2011 03:40 PM

                                    Since the question of varieties has come up does anybody know of a restaurant selling frozen chicken dumplings? All I can think of is Good One, which had some really great chicken white meat dumplings, but stayed in business only for a few weeks earlier this year.

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                                      naggie RE: Chandavkl Aug 26, 2011 03:56 PM

                                      What's the difference between ordering frozen and no-frozen dumplings from the same place: is there any difference in taste or texture or something?

                                      If I'm going into a restaurant, what do I look for when I taste the dumplings to know if they've been previously frozen?

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