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Monica Aug 16, 2011 09:59 AM

I am invited to a dinner this Friday to a strickly kosher household. I'd like to bring some dessert but I don't know anything about Kosher bakeries in NYC. Any good one in midtown east or upper westside? I usually love to bring a box of assorted French macarons from bakeries like Bouchon but I guess this is no no, right?

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    Moishefrompardes Aug 25, 2011 09:43 PM

    theres a place in bp, totally acceptable by almost everyone kosher supervision that just opened with the kind of macaroons your looking for. theyre beutiful, some flavors are still in need of some tweeking but well beyond anything ive seen kosher since i started keeping kosher.

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      Bzdhkap Aug 26, 2011 05:57 AM

      Can you tell us the name of the place, and where it's located?
      Thanks!

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        Moishefrompardes Aug 28, 2011 10:23 AM

        i googled like crazy, cant find the name, its on 13th ave near sushi meshuga & eichlers.

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      PotatoPuff Aug 17, 2011 07:36 AM

      if you are willing to make the trek, moishe's bakery in the east village is excellent

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        Monica Aug 17, 2011 07:40 AM

        Yes, I heard about them but maybe next time...it's just too much hassle. =)

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          AdinaA Aug 17, 2011 10:46 AM

          Another option is the goal here is an upscale, kosher, presentation gift to a hostess who is a bit of a foodie, is to get Max Brenner chocolates. Glorious chocolate. At the usual price for glorious chocolate. But kosher and based in Israel. They ship. They have a Manhattan shop. The price and quality make them a bit of an eye-popping gift. And the fact that you got an Israeli brand will make a very good impression.

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            Prettypoodle Aug 17, 2011 11:09 AM

            AdinaA - what a FAB suggestion! These may be some of the BEST chocolate I have ever eatten EVER! I'll inite you over anytime if you promise me some chocolate! :)

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              AdinaA Aug 17, 2011 11:22 AM

              Deal.

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              Monica Aug 17, 2011 01:54 PM

              That's good to know ...but sadly, I can't bring chocolate to this even as another friend of mine owns a chocolate shop in NYC and he will kill me if I brought something 'inferior'. LOL

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                Prettypoodle Aug 17, 2011 03:19 PM

                I am sure your friend's candy is to die for but trust me you really MUST try some Max Brenner and see why it is sooooooooooooo good (and Kosher and Israeli made too)

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                  Monica Aug 18, 2011 06:33 AM

                  I have tried Max Brenner's chocolate and yes, they are fantastic!
                  Didn't know they were kosher, good to know. Now I know what to bring to future Kosher events.

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                    Prettypoodle Aug 18, 2011 08:52 AM

                    Thanks must go out to the people who started "Buy Israeli Goods (BIG) Day. That is how I dound out! My life may never be the same:)

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                PotatoPuff Aug 23, 2011 06:16 AM

                NOT ALL OF THE CHOCOLATE AT MAX BRENNER IS KOSHER. Some is, some isn't.

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                  DeisCane Aug 23, 2011 06:43 AM

                  "All of the chocolate products that are available in our shop are Kosher Dairy under the supervision of the Bet-Shemesh Rabbinate. Please note that the chocolate served at our restaurants is not Kosher."

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                    zsero Aug 23, 2011 07:07 AM

                    Note that the dairy chocolates may not be chalav yisrael. (The Israeli rabbinate does not allow liquid milk that is not CY, even for its standard hashgacha, but it does allow non-CY milk powder, relying on the opinion of R Hersh-Pesach Frank zt"l.) So they may not be a suitable gift if the hosts keep strict CY.

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            SRG Aug 17, 2011 06:06 AM

            Go to My Most Favorite Dessert Company on 72nd between West End Avenue and Broadway. They have excellent desserts which will be most appropriate.

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              DeisCane Aug 17, 2011 06:59 AM

              SRG--aren't most of their things dairy? Maybe even all?

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                SRG Aug 17, 2011 07:52 AM

                They have pareve and dairy and are well labeled. Best in town.

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                  Monica Aug 17, 2011 07:59 AM

                  What do you recommend from there?

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                    SRG Aug 17, 2011 10:42 AM

                    We had a fruit tart recently, received as a gift, and it was outstanding.

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                      Monica Aug 17, 2011 01:55 PM

                      fruit tart with no cream? I need to be convinced..haha

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                    DeisCane Aug 17, 2011 11:41 AM

                    Cool! I didn't realize that.

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                AdinaA Aug 16, 2011 10:37 AM

                Fairway has fabulous desserts, freshly baked. They are marked dairy and parve. Best to bring parve unless you know that your friends are dedicated vegetarians.

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                  DeisCane Aug 16, 2011 11:27 AM

                  I was always taught that unless you were asked to contribute food, you should not bring food. This week's Curb hit on that exact theme.

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                    vallevin Aug 16, 2011 11:53 AM

                    Monica,

                    I'l just echo what everyone else here is saying. If you feel you absolutly have to walk in with something, bring flowers...but only if you know you can be there by 7:15.

                    My personal suggestions is to go with a kosher wine, I am really loving the Reds from Barkan right now. If you let this board know the general are where you live or work I am sure we can suggest a good wine store for you to go to.

                    Have fun this Shabbos.

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                      Monica Aug 16, 2011 12:19 PM

                      Haha, so no flowers...so wine will do.

                      I work in midtown east, NYC and live in Northern NJ...suggest me a bottle or two.

                      I know the host is a big wine person...

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                        chicago maven Aug 16, 2011 12:32 PM

                        I don't want to add to the confusion, but the wine should be Mevushal. It will be stated on the label. Good luck!

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                          vallevin Aug 16, 2011 05:53 PM

                          Monica...if you are in striking distance of Queen Anne Liquors in Teaneck, the Shoprite in Paramus, or the big store in River Edge go there...like I said..and Barkan Red is tasting yummy to me these days. ...

                          Hmm...okay....which Ortho community is easier to get to for you? West Orange, Passaic or Teaneck?

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                            Monica Aug 17, 2011 06:17 AM

                            I live close to Teaneck. I once tasted really good jelly donuts from a kosher bakery called Butterflake. I am not sure if they only sell those during passover..or was it a different holiday?
                            Anyway, maybe i can do something like that. The dinner is at upper westside.

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                              zsero Aug 17, 2011 06:34 AM

                              Chanukah. Definitely *NOT* Passover!

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                                Monica Aug 17, 2011 06:46 AM

                                yeah, Chanukah....=)

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                                avitrek Aug 17, 2011 07:10 AM

                                Monica, if you were planning on buying dessert right before dinner, please be aware that most kosher stores will close early on Friday. Also, your guests would prefer that you buy the food/flowers before sunset on Friday(yes another crazy Jew rule).

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                                  Monica Aug 17, 2011 07:15 AM

                                  I was thinking maybe go there on thursday night....hopefully they will still be fresh the next day.

                                  The host has a maid..even if we brought flowers, if she is not jewish, i assume she will take care of them? lol

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                                    vallevin Aug 17, 2011 07:25 AM

                                    Monica....here are your options in and around Teaneck for wine:

                                    My Favorite: Queen Anne Liquors...As for Jerry, tell him how much you want to spend and ask for mevushal and he will serve you well (Queen Anne Road & Degraw)
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                                    Wine Store (not sure of name) on the corner of Queen Anne and West Englewood - all products in the store are kosher
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                                    Shoppers Vineyard in River Edge
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                                    Shoprite Wine in the Shoprite in Paramus
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                                    There are plenty more (like the shopping center opposite the Bergenfield Pathmark, another Store on Cedar Lane).

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                                      Monica Aug 17, 2011 07:39 AM

                                      I live in Tenafly. I guess that store in Bergenfield is even closer. I think I know which one you are talking about. I will check them out..I'd always wanted to check that place out..including the vege/fruit market.
                                      Thanks!

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                                        vallevin Aug 17, 2011 11:46 AM

                                        2 more places (closer) to suggest.... Shoprite in Englwwood has a liquor shop & there is a wine store near Hamsa in Tenafly... I know because I bought a bottle of white something there once. That place may not have such a big collection, but I am guessing it's easier to get to.

                                        (Thank you google maps)
                                        ▼Wine Ventures
                                        7 Washington Avenue
                                        Tenafly, NJ 07670-2027

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                                          Monica Aug 17, 2011 01:56 PM

                                          vallevin..you are awsome!
                                          I go to both of these places all the time but I never paid attention to their kosher section if there is one.

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                                            vallevin Aug 17, 2011 07:14 PM

                                            Aw shucks...you are welcome...please go have a fantastic time. Is this your "first" Shabbos meal?

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                                              Monica Aug 18, 2011 06:35 AM

                                              Actually no...but none of them were as strict as this family.

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                                      avitrek Aug 17, 2011 07:37 AM

                                      Thursday night is perfect. The stores will be open late and well stocked. The cakes will still be fine on Friday night. I often buy baked goods on Thursday night and serve them Friday night or Saturday.

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                            queenscook Aug 16, 2011 01:45 PM

                            @ DeisCain: I don't know what "Curb" is, but it has been my experience that in the frum (religious) community, very few hosts are offended if a guest brings a gift of wine or a dessert. Hostess gifts are expected, and if you really want to follow the general etiquette, you can say that the hosts don't have to serve what you bring, but a gift IS generally appropriate.

                            I think that too many people here are confusing the original poster, perhaps even making her think that Orthodox Jews are crazy:
                            "Cake? OK, but only if it's parve, whatever that is; flowers, OK, but only before a certain time, huh?; wine, OK but must be mevushal, whatever that is? What's with these crazy Jews, anyway?"

                            Yes, for those of us who keep these rules, it's second nature, but for the outsider, let's not make them crazy, and let's not make them think we are, either. Sometimes an Orthodox family invites non-Orthodox friends to show them the beauty of a shabbat meal, and I'm sure most any gift will be received with appreciation.

                            So, my advice to the original poster is: if you want to bring a dessert (as it seems that's what you do with non-kosher hosts, based on your macaron comment), then do so. Go to one of the kosher stores on the upper west side, since you mentioned that as a good place for you. Go to Seasons and find some cake or cookies or something. It might not be up to your usual standards, but it's the thought that counts. Parve would be best, because if it's a meat meal, your hosts will not be able to serve a dessert with any milk in it, but a parve dessert should not be difficult to find in a place like Seasons. Ask anyone in the store if you have trouble; I'm sure anyone would be able to help you.

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                              DeisCane Aug 16, 2011 02:17 PM

                              Wine is different than food. Curb is Curb Your Enthusiasm, a popular comedy series on HBO.

                              From the Table Manners section of this website:

                              "Bringing an extra dish to someone else’s dinner is like bringing an extra person: Your guest should always ask first. You’ve put careful thought into the menu and the social mix, and a surprise addition could clash with either one. Plus, it can feel a little insulting, as if the guest is worried that what you’ve provided won’t be sufficient."

                              Oh, and btw, calling it a "hostess" gift is BS.

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                                queenscook Aug 16, 2011 03:23 PM

                                Never seen Curb Your Enthusiasm, so I can't comment on it, but I presume not many look to it as an etiquette guide (though I know it's produced by the same person responsible for Seinfeld, where there was a classic episode that revolved around buying both cake and wine as hostess gifts).

                                As for the Table Manners column, I've rarely seen anything there where I agreed with Helen or Helena or whatever her name is, and quite a few of the comments there often question where she gets her ideas, because they are usually so opposite of what the normal person thinks.

                                And once again, I would emphasize that the etiquette rules of the religious community and the "secular" world are often quite different. Almost no one who has ever come to my home for shabbat has not brought a gift, and close to 100% of the time, it's an edible/drinkable one. And I bring an edible gift to my hosts a similar percentage of the time, and no one has ever looked even the slightest bit annoyed.

                                Remember, not every shabbos meal is treated the same as a gourmet dinner party where the host/ess has been planning and cooking for days or weeks, as is more often the case with secular dinner parties. Orthodox Jews do this every week, and menus tend to be a bit more relaxed and less precise than the fancy dinner parties that the Table Manners' author is speaking of. The so-called "surprise addition" of an extra cake or cookies is not like bringing an extra pot roast where the meal is going to have an Indian theme.

                                I'd love to hear from those who read this board, especially those who host friends for shabbat meals, if they really, deep down, feel insulted by guests who bring wine or dessert. I just cannot imagine it is true; it's too much a part of the standard shabbat experience for me to believe that it's just something hosts put up with, while really, deep down, they feel that the guest feels "what you've provided won't be sufficient" or annoyed that the item brought will clash with what they are serving.

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                                  GilaB Aug 16, 2011 03:33 PM

                                  I love it when people offer to make things, and have never had someone bring a surprise side dish. If we haven' t discussed it beforehand, guests who bring something (most people, but not all) tend to bring wine, candy, other junk food (which I don't particularly want - I'd rather you brought nothing than a package of wafers), or occasionally homemade baked goods. I do sometimes do relatively elaborately themed meals, but desserts are always welcome, and I think that people do understand that you may or may not serve the wine they bring.

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                                    queenscook Aug 16, 2011 05:11 PM

                                    I also hate those wafers, but I still accept them graciously. If I don't serve them, I donate them the next time there's a food drive (post-Purim and Thanksgiving are good bets).

                                    Not all of my guests are as food-aware ("foodie," if you will), as others, and it's a gesture on their part. How anyone can look down on that is just beyond me. Not referring to you, Gila, but others, including anyone who would turn their nose up at any gift brought with good intentions.

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                                      GilaB Aug 16, 2011 05:49 PM

                                      Of course one accepts the wafers graciously! I see-saw in between plating them as nicely as possible, only to watch nobody eat them (and then I'm stuck with a package of wafers we'll snack on even without enjoying them much), or not serving them (such that we can donate them later) and worrying that the guests feel their gift is unappreciated.

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                                        queenscook Aug 16, 2011 06:43 PM

                                        Well, you can always pull the "OH NO . . . I forgot to put out the wafers you brought" thing, as you are ready to bentch or they are leaving, or whatever. (I'm not saying that I've ever done this, of course!)

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                                          zsero Aug 17, 2011 05:13 AM

                                          Gee thanks. I'll have to remember this the next time I hear that from a host.... :-)

                                          (I prefer to think that they honestly forgot, especially in the case of desserts that go into the freezer as soon as I present them, and are therefore easily forgotten.)

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                                Monica Aug 17, 2011 06:15 AM

                                "I think that too many people here are confusing the original poster, perhaps even making her think that Orthodox Jews are crazy:
                                "Cake? OK, but only if it's parve, whatever that is; flowers, OK, but only before a certain time, huh?; wine, OK but must be mevushal, whatever that is? What's with these crazy Jews, anyway?""

                                Hahahaha..thanks for the laugh.

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                            GilaB Aug 16, 2011 10:14 AM

                            Definitely a no-no - thanks for checking!

                            My guess is that they're serving a meat meal, meaning any baked goods would need to be pareve (ie containing neither meat nor dairy products). Probably most pareve baked goods wouldn't live up to your standards; although there are some foods like chiffon cakes that are inherently pareve, most baked goods are very dependent on butter. Perhaps you'd be best off bringing a good assortment of summer fruit for dessert instead? Or flowers (bring them by before Shabbos)?

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                              avitrek Aug 16, 2011 10:12 AM

                              Go to Seasons on the upper west side, 661 Amsterdam between 92nd and 93rd. They're a general kosher supermarket, but have some great baked goods. I'm a fan of the house baked cakes and cookies, but they also carry some packaged goods from other bakeries if you prefer.

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                                DeisCane Aug 16, 2011 10:12 AM

                                You will need to find not just kosher but also pareve (neither meat nor milk). I would suggest you go to a a kosher market and buy packaged baked goods that say pareve. However, i'd also suggest that you just bring flowers and kosher wine.

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                                  Monica Aug 16, 2011 11:17 AM

                                  wow, sounds very complicated...ok, i will just bring some flowers.

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                                    GilaB Aug 16, 2011 11:39 AM

                                    If you bring flowers, make sure to bring them over before the beginning of the Sabbath, as your hosts won't put them in water once the Sabbath starts.

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