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NFNS Reunion Show [spoilers for Finale]

OK, MB just knocked herself down a few pegs after I thought she was so in control with the whole Penny situation. I didn't realize she and Jeff were so acrimonious.
She basically said she wouldn't watch Jeff's show and left no doubt that she doesn't like him at all. Jealousy, me thinks. Jeff's performance comes so easy to him; it's something you can't teach and MB did not have the "it" factor.
Penny loves the villain role. She totally owns it.

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  1. And you're surprised by either? :-)

    I think what made Penny so effective as a villian is that she owned it. I think what many of us who have commented on the various episode thread wary of MB was the fact we *knew*, could sense, that there was something disingenuous lurking right under the surface. Now you know ;-)

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    1. re: DiningDiva

      Nailed it. MB had something seething just under the surface. Insecurity? Jealousy? Not sure.

      1. re: monavano

        Anger. At what? I have no idea. She may not even know.

        1. re: monavano

          Probably a combo of disappointment, jealousy... came across as angry, shrewish, really unattractive and vindictive. It wouldn't have hurt her to say she'd watch Jeff's show, whether she actually felt that way or not. Millions of viewers got turned off by her behavior. Just saying...

        2. re: DiningDiva

          Seriously, that Mary Beth. Disingenuous for sure and a nasty, delusional hater. She's one of those gals you don't want for a girlfriend because you never know the depth of the animosity that brews beneath the surface of all those carefully selected words... like *craveable*.

        3. Would not have watched Chris's show if he won. He was a disrespectful slob in the kitchen and I got a misogynistic vibe from him, particularly in the way he acted towards Jill.

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          1. re: monavano

            When Chris kept saying Justin B was anal for keeping the area clean, I wanted to throttle him. He totally missed the point. How can you work in a messy area?!

            And yes, there was something unlikeable about him.

          2. That show was a total waste of 60 minutes of my life.

            But it did make me like jeff a whole lot more.

            I'm glad he won.

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            1. re: C. Hamster

              Dang! Still not over in California. Somebody post a spoiler alert!

              1. re: Shrinkrap

                Again, it's in the title of the post. Sigh.

                1. re: pdxgastro

                  In full disclosure, I started this thread to talk just about the reunion show, but people posted finale information as the thread progressed.
                  The spoiler alert was added after some folks got surprised by reading who won. My fault for not seeing this coming.
                  ;-)

                  1. re: monavano

                    I would think people would know the chance of a spoiler coming thru in reunion discussions would be fairly high.

                    But back to Mary Beth, I want more info on her issue with Jeff. I watched the first 15 min yesterday and her hesitation when they asked if she'd watch his show. I at first assumed it was just cuz she wasn't into the sandwich concept then she started saying something about personalities. Then when they showed her back off from the hug, I still kind of thought it was just that she wanted to deal with crying on her own which I could understand. But I never saw anything during the show where she had and Jeff seemed to butt heads or rag on each other. Did I miss something? It seemed like pretty much everyone liked him and while maybe his comedy act might get annoying, I can't imagine what her problem was.

                    1. re: Joanie

                      Yes, I never picked up on a rift between MB and Jeff. It became clear that her hesitation was based on personal bias, another reason that having the focus panel consist of competitors was stupid, like stoooooooooopid.

            2. I missed it. Did anyone call Penny on how slow she was prepping food on the Iron Chef part of the competition?

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              1. re: John E.

                I missed the first 15 min but DVR'd a later episode so will find out if that's when all the MB stuff about Jeff happened cuz it sure wasn't later. That kind of surprises me.

                As C Hamster said, it was kind of a waste of 60 min. Everyone laughing at every not so funny thing. Not sure I understand doing a reunion before the finale.

                I didn't see the judges confront Penny specifically about her extremely slow work as MB's sous chef.

                Justin seemed *much* more personable in this setting than on the show.

                1. re: Joanie

                  If I remember correctly, Alton questioned Penny during that competition about her lack of speed, to which she answered that she's just thorough.

                  It certainly did seem that, after Penny's negative comment about Susie's "pilot", she became purposefully over-nice. Maybe to seem like she'd become more friendly (especially after Jyll's comments about her).

                  1. re: cmvan

                    Right, during that show taping they asked about her pace, but I was surprised they didn't specifically ask her about it at the reunion show. They showed that clip last nite but I would have asked her point blank if I were one of the judges. Yes she was slow in general but not *that* slow.

              2. all this did was make me REALLY sad that justin the "anal chef" didn't get a show. he could cook and he's ridiculously cute imho. i would have set the tivo for that. man, i had almost forgotten. lol.

                oh and if i disliked MB before...

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                1. re: AMFM

                  I agree! I would watch Justin B. if he had his own show. I can actually relate to his "anal retentive-ness" in the kitchen. haha! Better "anal" than crazy-frat-boy-like, like Chris! *cringe*

                  1. re: AMFM

                    Me, too--on both accounts. I still think Justin B would have been the best show, if he could learn to let himself show and not be so controlled on camera. But, he was fun on the reunion show and he was good off camera. Anal retentive in the kitchen is a good thing, imo, not Chris's running around craziness. I can't imagine reigning that frenetic energy. And, though he kept saying he wanted to show his maturity, he constantly failed. I wonder if he looks at footage of himself and realize that.

                    1. re: chowser

                      I actually LOL'd when the showed the Chris acting like a moron in the kitchen footage!

                      1. re: chowser

                        Chris might have been the least talented cook on any cooking contest I've seen on TV. Wow he sucked.

                        1. re: joonjoon

                          And, he was totally unself-aware. He was terrible all around.

                          1. re: joonjoon

                            well, to be fair to him, we never really got a chance to see Howie cook. he might have been even worse.

                      2. MB really showed her stuff tonight - was very interesting. She's a mediocre cook - had personal problems with interacting with others - even more so than just what we saw. Pretty pitiful. I would never watch her - she had no talent at all.

                        I like Jeff a lot - love Susie and Vic. Hopefully they'll get shows too!

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                        1. re: Jeanne

                          Yeah, I agree totally about MB. Sometimes in these shows it is interesting to pick not just the winner -- but the loser. Penny was the clear front runner with a commanding lead and just at the last moment, MB comes around the bend on the outside and snatches 'loser' by three lengths. She also won most improved loser.

                          1. re: smkit

                            I didn't see the reunion show, but MB had to have spit fire and breathed acid for her to overtake Penny for "loser". Sounds like she showed herself as twofaced, but unless she went on some crazy vitriolic rant for 10 minutes, there's no way she "won" the loser for the season. Are you forgetting the whole litany of things Penny did over the course of the season?

                            I'm sure Penny's food tastes better, though.

                            1. re: LurkerDan

                              Well, at least Penny could cook and wasn't a phony. She owned her Cruella de Ville persona. :-)

                              1. re: mcf

                                Yup. Once you've dealt with the slow-brewing, passive aggressive, and diplomatically veiled but deep, deep envy and resentment of people like Marybeth, Penny's brand of upfront bitchiness becomes far more appealing to live with.

                                1. re: inaplasticcup

                                  I see what you're saying, and yes, maybe I'd prefer having Penny as a co-worker (especially since I'm a guy ;-), but I also think you're forgetting some of Penny's antics. the last straw was her deliberate "sabotage" of MB during the Iron Chef challenge (not that it was the reason for MB's demise). I am quite certain that "slow-brewing, passive aggressive, and diplomatically veiled but deep, deep envy and resentment" of MB notwithstanding, had the situation been reversed, MB would have prepped/cooked her best for Penny. Maybe thrown her under the bus after ;-), of course.

                                  That was absolutely inexcusable to me, and I may not like or trust or ever want to watch MB, but Penny is in a different league.

                                  1. re: LurkerDan

                                    I agree that what Penny did was pretty dastardly, but I think for one that it's important to remember that the playing field in question was a reality show.

                                    For two, the reason I prefer Penny's brand of sabotage is that it's out in the open for everyone to identify and assess. That is to say that I think MB got whatever breaks there were to be had because the judges saw Penny's outright sabotage and seemed to consider it in judging MB (but decided it wasn't a mitigating enough reason to keep her anyway).

                                    MB looks like one of those co-workers who smiles huge to your face and compliments you on your shoes and then one day when she happens to be at lunch with your supervisor manages to talk all kinds of crap about you under the guise of friendly concern.

                                    1. re: inaplasticcup

                                      I think I just dislike MB because she reminds me of my ex-wife. Big smiles and nothing is real.

                                      1. re: smkit

                                        And all that phony hugging between the two of them when they had to team up - so phony

                                      2. re: inaplasticcup

                                        I think we're in agreement here, I agree that MB's type is worse with respect to who you want in your life. I just think Penny's was worse in a competition show. Especially one where how likable you are is very important!

                                        1. re: LurkerDan

                                          Agreed. Penny didn't know how or didn't want to make nice enough to be a part of the *Food Network Family*. :)

                                    2. re: inaplasticcup

                                      Wow, I could not have encapsulated it any better than that. It's the sneaky bitch that is the devil you don't know... until it's too late.

                                    3. re: mcf

                                      LOL!!

                                      MCF -much agreed!

                                      MB had that seething inner evil - which is creepy as opposed to Penny's outright bitchiness~!

                                      Some random thoughts:

                                      Pretty much all season I was rooting for Jeff, but I changed my mind during the finale, and was really hoping for Suzie.
                                      I don't know. I think I got suckered in by her daddy story bit.
                                      Usually, stuff like that makes me want to barf a bit, but I fell for it - hook, line and sinker!
                                      I kind of liked her.... she did have a cute way about her...and i reckon she was sincere.
                                      It was cute how she practiced in the mirror - I give her credit

                                      I must say I was completely shocked when Jeff won - I thought all season the judges were gearing for a Suzie win - They seemed soooo enamoured of her all along...

                                      Someone here or on another thread mentioned how abrubt the ending was - and I completely agree
                                      No parting words from Suzie at all.. it was very odd.

                                      Also thought both were worthy of the win, and both of their pilot dishes had me salivating! Seriosly.

                                      1. re: NellyNel

                                        Plus Suzie had those short fat thumbs that were kind of cute.

                                        1. re: NellyNel

                                          I strongly suspect you'll see Susie with a show somewhere on the Cooking Channel or possibly on FTV next year.

                                          1. re: DiningDiva

                                            Last time I checked, Orchid was 2nd after Jeff in the FN site voting. Does anyone know if they are doing the web show for the runner-up?

                                            1. re: DiningDiva

                                              I agree; I expected her to win not only because her food was good, had heart and her personality was engaging, but because she also comes from a demographic that's steadily increasing in size and market influence. I just don't think FN can pass all that up.

                                              1. re: mcf

                                                I suspect they've had a lot of women winners so they wanted a man this time around. But, as others have said, we haven't seen the last of Susie! They'll bring her back.

                                                ~TDQ

                                                1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                  Isn't it pretty evenly split male/female? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Next...

                                                  1. re: mcf

                                                    I just meant the last two winners were women. I also forgot Aaron was in between Melissa and Amy. I was thinking of Amy before Melissa and Aaron before Amy. So the trend isn't as bad as I thought, but still, I'll bet they like to mix it up to make sure they are appealing to all of the demographics they feel they need to appeal to.

                                                    ~TDQ

                                                2. re: mcf

                                                  I think maybe they chose Jeff because he is camera ready now with a POV they are not going to change. If so, it was easy for them to choose him. Although the NFNS finale and the debut are a week apart on the cable schedule, I wonder how much time there was in reality between the video recording of each show?

                                                  1. re: John E.

                                                    Agreed. Jeff is turnkey. Susie would require a lot more coaching and harnessing.

                                                  2. re: mcf

                                                    I think Jeff won for the obvious reason: he won the competition. yes, yes, I know, the FN has all these considerations regarding markets and demographics and whatnot, and maybe I'm naive, but they know darn well that no matter what, they can and will have both Jeff and Susie on their network. So maybe, just maybe, they chose the person who actually won the competition?

                                                    And if I wanted to be a little less naive, they picked the person who has a much greater chance of truly being a "star". Jeff has qualities that Susie doesn't. He has the possibility of being another (different) Guy Fieri. Susie's ceiling is quite a bit lower, I think.

                                                    1. re: LurkerDan

                                                      First and foremost, I didn't think Jeff won the competition on the basis of better food overall or necessarily in the judging. But I wasn't there to taste. I also think "sangwitches" is a really limiting concept, and Susie also comes across with a very strong persona, wouldn't be as much work as, say, Aaron was in his season.

                                                      1. re: mcf

                                                        I don't think he won based on better food, but this isn't a cooking competition.

                                                        1. re: LurkerDan

                                                          Well, it *is* a cooking competition, where one must have the ability to learn to do good work in front of a camera. But as the judges said about MB, this is a cooking show, and her food isn't good enough for folks to want to cook it, so it doesn't matter how enjoyable she was to listen to.

                                                          1. re: mcf

                                                            Food is certainly an integral part of this show, no doubt, that plays a role in the competition. But I think it is definitely a mistake to say it is a "cooking competition". The person with the best food does not win each week, nor does the person with the worst food get eliminated each week (as happens on, say, Top Chef). Ultimately, as it gets to the bitter end, good food is required, but it always seems like they will choose people based more on camera presence then whose food was the *best*.

                                                            So, cook bad food at the end and you will lose. Cook fantastic food and do a good camera challenge and you will almost certainly lose to the person who cooks good food but does a fantastic camera challenge.

                                                            1. re: LurkerDan

                                                              Hey, they're not hiring cooks, they're hiring teachers.

                                                              1. re: junescook

                                                                I wouldn't go that far. They're hiring whatever schtick will stick. With Giada it's pearly white teeth, big boobs and a famous uncle. With the Neelys, it's over the top innuendo. With Paula Deen it's two tons of butter and a thick Southern drawl with a nice single mom backstory to boot.

                                                                If they were hiring teachers, we'd be watching Jacques Pepin on FN.

                                                                1. re: inaplasticcup

                                                                  Famous grandfather for Giada, not uncle:)

                                                                  1. re: BubblyOne

                                                                    who is this famous relative? Why would the typical FN viewer care?

                                                                    1. re: paulj

                                                                      Because you might not, but a lot of people buy into lifestyle.

                                                                      That's why Ina goes driving out in her BMW through the Hamptons shopping at quaint but expensive shops where they sell the best of this or that. That's why Giada lounges outside by a fabulous pool in a fabulous home browsing through magazines and catalogs while waiting for her hubby to come home with a *surprise* gift for her before she brings him a shot of her superdelicious cappucino nightcap and gossamer wings biscotti. That's why the Pioneer Woman who traded her urban existence for life on her wealthy husband's cattle ranch or whatever the hell it is is getting her own show.

                                                                      A lot of folks are funny and all aspirational-like like that.

                                                                      1. re: inaplasticcup

                                                                        Well said and Martha was way ahead of FN with that.

                                                                      2. re: paulj

                                                                        Dino De Laurentiis, a producer of mostly Italian films. What is somewgat interesting is apparently because of their famous grandfather, Giada and her siblings use their grandfather's surname instead of their father's.

                                                                      3. re: BubblyOne

                                                                        I sit corrected. :)

                                                                      4. re: inaplasticcup

                                                                        Well, Jacque's got a job teaching.

                                                                        But I'm sure you could go to a number of 3* restos in NYC and see who was doing the cooking. I doubt you'll find people you'd want to put in front of the camera to teach the rest of us how to cook.

                                                                        But I would go that far. To be a good teacher people have to pay attention to you, and identify with you. Obviously FN has to at least seem to vary its shows by cuisine, region, etc. Personally, i've been watching The Cooking Channel more often since the programs there are newer to me.

                                                                        1. re: junescook

                                                                          "I doubt you'll find people you'd want to put in front of the camera to teach the rest of us how to cook."

                                                                          More tats than Vic, piercings galore, English is probably not the first language and they may - or may not - be legal

                                                              2. re: mcf

                                                                Do you have evidence of some sort of 'back room deal' to make Jeff the winner, or did you just prefer someone else?

                                                                1. re: paulj

                                                                  What are you talking about???

                                                    2. re: LurkerDan

                                                      Yeah, I can understand that Lurker Dan and maybe that was taking it a bit too far, but it also sort of puts Penny and MB's numerous team challenges when Penny looked bad in a different perspective. I wouldn't have liked working with either one of them. Also, Penny could at least laugh at herself when Jeff was doing impressions. MB just seemed ungracious, passive aggressive, and fake. With that said, Penny's slow chopping was really lame.

                                                      1. re: smkit

                                                        A couple of posts from another site were interesting. One person ran into Jeff the other day at the airport in Chicago and said he was a sweeheart and intimated that the drama was condensed and there was much more that wasn't shown.
                                                        Someone else went to a booksigning with Jeff and Whitney and I guess Jeff's show will be both in-studio and out and about.

                                                3. sorry I missed this, do they re-air it?

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                                                  1. re: LurkerDan

                                                    It's Food Network, I'm sure they'll re-air it ad nauseam.

                                                    1. re: coney with everything

                                                      well, yeah, but IME the reunion shows don't get re-aired nearly as much as the episodes themselves. But that experience is with Bravo, so maybe FN will be different.

                                                      1. re: coney with everything

                                                        It's cable TV, so yes, there will be reruns. Or rather, it's TV, so yes.

                                                    2. I thought Jeff's impression of Tuschman was hilarious, but was Justin D attempting to imitate Bobby Flay? Sounded nothing like him to me.

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                                                      1. re: DavidPalmer

                                                        He sounded more Boston than New York, but he nailed the statement beautifully because Bobby does ask a question and then answer it himself in an over the top way. I thought it was a good impression.

                                                      2. No reunion show on my lineup, and didn't record last night. Weird.

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                                                        1. re: mcf

                                                          The only reason I knew about the show as because I follow Bflay on Twitter and he posted the lineup.

                                                          Otherwise, I would have been clueless, too.

                                                          I have a tivo season pass, so unless they label it correctly, my season pass won't pick it up.

                                                          1. re: Manassas64

                                                            TiVo always picks up Bravo reunion shows... but no reruns show up in the upcoming episodes cue. I checked the web site for it and it wasn't there. It sounds like my distaste from day one for MB was on the money, though. Fake veneer for a personality, that one.

                                                            1. re: mcf

                                                              I checked my guide last night and it's re-airing on Saturday morning/afternoon.

                                                              1. re: boingo2000

                                                                Thanks, I have it scheduled on TiVo. It didn't show up for me until this a.m.

                                                        2. Using the dismissed contestants as the focus group was a dumb ploy for drama. I would have loved t see a group of CH'ers interviewed-- no preconceptions, no agendas, no grudges.

                                                          1. Airing the Reunion show prior to the finale' sure had me befuddled and and certainly made the editing and overall direction an awkward handful.

                                                            LMAO at Jeff's "impression" bit as well as the Tushman jabs.

                                                            Other than Penny seemingly desiring to be a part of some "Housewives of -your city here-" reality show vs. a cooking show due to her general snarkiness and overall demeanor , there was little to be gleaned from the show overall. Bummer, but not really :-)

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                                                            1. re: jjjrfoodie

                                                              I loved Jeff's Penny impression!!

                                                            2. P.S. I can't believe I missed the reunion show so I could see MB in her full catty glory. I always thought she had that bubbling under the surface. Do you think they just kept her around and gave her a good edit so that they would have a "good guy" and a "bad guy" in the war between MB & Penny? You know, for good television?

                                                              Actually, I'm surprised how long they kept MB around. She wasn't a very good cook and, while she maybe have been able to describe food appealingly, it always felt to me like there was a stream of cliches flowing from her mouth. She might have been able to describe food appealingly, she couldn't describe it with any originality. That would have gotten super old, super fast.

                                                              ~TDQ

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                                                              1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                Having listened to her overwrought description of bisque on the Iron Chef challenge and then the use of the word *craveable* to describe Susie's food - whatever that means. Twinkies are *craveable* if you've been smoking the right stuff. - I think MB is one of those people who convinces herself mostly and then sometimes others that she's good at a lot of things, one of those things being writing about food.

                                                                1. re: inaplasticcup

                                                                  I am so with you. I *never* liked her descriptions. They reminded me of an over-striving high school student with a thesaurus.

                                                                2. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                  I'm still dying for any inkling of why she had a problem with Jeff. That seemed to come from so out of the blue and more in depth than just last minute jealousy from being eliminated. Maybe, who the hell knows.

                                                                  1. re: Joanie

                                                                    oh, me too, Joanie!!

                                                                    I wish I had kept the episodes on my dvr - I would definitely re-watch the last 2 or 3 episodes to see if I could catch anything.
                                                                    MB seemed to have no problem being vocal in her dislike of Penny - seems strange that we never saw her do the same about Jeff.
                                                                    Unless they purposely edited any bad blood out about the winner (?)

                                                                    1. re: NellyNel

                                                                      Wow, I didn't know that Whitney had worked the line at Per Se. That's quite a credential! She really does have the chops, and it showed.

                                                                      http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/a...

                                                                      I didn't find anything on MB's blog, but I didn't spend a lot of time looking at it either. I was going to make a super catty comment there, but have decided that won't elevate the conversation any. ;-). http://www.marybethalbright.com/categ...

                                                                      ~TDQ

                                                                    2. re: Joanie

                                                                      I'm wondering if that's the kind of scuttlebutt you can find out about by reading individual contestants blogs?

                                                                      ~TDQ

                                                                      1. re: Joanie

                                                                        She doesn't really offer it here, just tries to do some damage control: http://www.marybethalbright.com/food-...

                                                                        1. re: mcf

                                                                          Wow that just got posted. Interesting. Well, she's basically admitting to be a small person, hence all the growing she needs to do until the day she dies.

                                                                          ~TDQ

                                                                          1. re: mcf

                                                                            Interesting. Like I said, I can understand her not wanting to be hugged when she's trying to keep it together and she's not a hugger in the first place. But doesn't she seem to go over the top with the Jeff's show is "appointment viewing" schtick? She's got a lot of fans still it seems. Whatever, I've got no appt. viewing food shows for a while.

                                                                            1. re: Joanie

                                                                              Jeff can hug me anytime. I think he is adorable.

                                                                              1. re: Janet from Richmond

                                                                                I think Judge Suzy felt the same way - she was smitten!

                                                                                1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                  It appeared Bob Tuschman was as well.

                                                                                  1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                    I thought the bigger crush was the one Giada had on Mama's Boy. :)

                                                                                    1. re: inaplasticcup

                                                                                      Indeed :-) It was cute (Giada's crush on Vic)

                                                                                      1. re: inaplasticcup

                                                                                        Is the "Mama's boy" an Italian-American thing? I wouldn't watch a show with a title like that or a show where that reference was often made. Something about it annoys me a little.

                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                          Me, too. It's not a compliment!

                                                                                          1. re: chowser

                                                                                            LOL. I think it is. And not only would I not wanna watch it, but if I were still a single woman, I sure as hell wouldn't wanna date it! :P

                                                                                          2. re: John E.

                                                                                            Some commentary... ;-) [I am not vouching for their universal veracity]
                                                                                            http://goodmenproject.com/good-feed-b...
                                                                                            http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5761647/n...
                                                                                            http://masculineheart.blogspot.com/20...
                                                                                            http://www.ricksteves.com/plan/destin...
                                                                                            http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/CP...
                                                                                            etc etc.

                                                                                            Then there's stuff like this...
                                                                                            http://answers.yahoo.com/question/ind...

                                                                                            :-)

                                                                                            1. re: huiray

                                                                                              Still not buying it as an Italian thing-

                                                                                              http://www.chabad.org/theJewishWoman/...
                                                                                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother&#...

                                                                                            2. re: John E.

                                                                                              Hey, don't pin the Mama's boy thing on us Italians!

                                                                                              1. re: BubblyOne

                                                                                                That's why I asked the question. I did not get the vibe of Vic being a "mama's boy" and yet that is the POV he created. Is it sort of a tribute thing to his mother and shoukd we have read it that way rather than thinking of the term in a pejorative sense?

                                                                                                1. re: John E.

                                                                                                  Heh. That's a little different from your initial post which suggested that you didn't know what a Mama's Boy was...
                                                                                                  :-)

                                                                                                  1. re: huiray

                                                                                                    No, my point there was the same, is it an Italian thing to call oneself a "Mama's Boy' on national television when most people would think of it as a negative term to use on a grown man? There are many cultures where family is revered and respect for one's mother is an important part of life but don't refer to themselves as a mama's boy.

                                                                                                    1. re: John E.

                                                                                                      I think it is an italian term (heck, there's an italian restaurant in Durango CO called Mama's Boy), but I don't think of it as a pejorative. To me, it's the flip side of Daddy's girl. Both can be used in a pejorative manner, but the simple term -- to me -- is a descriptor, unless its context is pejorative.

                                                                                                      As for not getting the vibe that Vic was a mama's boy, that was sort of the point. As he said, he had the tough exterior but was soft on the inside.

                                                                                                      1. re: LurkerDan

                                                                                                        But it just stuck in my craw that adults were deferring so much to mommy and daddy. I mean, grow up!
                                                                                                        Whew! got that off my chest!!

                                                                                                        1. re: monavano

                                                                                                          I get you. Some people don't mind dealing with the emotional ties - ones that often take priority over all other emotional ties - that come with a person who calls themselves a mama's boy or daddy's little girl. But for me, it's a huge red flag.

                                                                                2. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                  The reunion show is being re-aired this weekend.

                                                                                  1. re: mcf

                                                                                    I saw that somewhere. I'm going to try to TIVO it.

                                                                                    ~TDQ

                                                                                    1. re: mcf

                                                                                      2:00 p.m. E.S.T. on Saturday.

                                                                                      1. re: Dave Feldman

                                                                                        THanks! I just put it in my TIVO.

                                                                                        ~TDQ

                                                                                  2. So, MaryBeth, who DO you get along with? Wow, scary, bitter. Makes me re-think some of what I thought of Penny a little. Maybe MB was baiting her. At least Penny gets along with the guys. MB gets along with no one.

                                                                                    I wish they'd find a show for Justin. I've DVRd Sandwich King.

                                                                                    ~TDQ

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                                                                                    1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                      A bit of a lightbulb just went off when I read your thoughts on baiting, and I think you're on to something there.

                                                                                      1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                        Well, to be fair, Penny made it clear that in business, that toughness *is* her modus operandi... but not in her personal life. She certainly had no problem laughing at herself when viewing clips or hearing others speak of her. I liked Justin B, but wasn't surprised that he left so soon because he was such a stiff on camera.

                                                                                        1. re: mcf

                                                                                          Right.
                                                                                          Someone (I forget who now - it was semi-early on) was choosing teams, or an ingredient, or whatever it was - choose Penny for whatever reason to screw her... or somehow put her at a lesser advantage. When the judges asked her about how she felt about it, she said she felt screwed but that she respected the person for doing it, as it IS a competition.

                                                                                          After that, I had full respect of Penny.

                                                                                          Justin B might have gotten better over time, I think, and a few people should have gone home ahead of him.

                                                                                          1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                            Aren't you confusing when Orchid (I think) said that's what Penny did to her? Unless that's what you meant and I'm misreading your comment. I think it was Penny planning most of the screwing.

                                                                                            1. re: Joanie

                                                                                              I think it was when Penny ended up on the team that was otherwise all guys.

                                                                                              1. re: Shrinkrap

                                                                                                Ya. The first challenge, Penny planned a strategy to benefit herself, and screw Orchid, but the very next challenge, someone tried to screw Penny.
                                                                                                When asked about it she said she felt screwed, but she admitted it was a smart move on the person who planned it's behalf.
                                                                                                I liked her for saying that.

                                                                                                1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                  Now that MB's true colors have been revealed at the reunion show, I'm beginning to have more respect for Penny. I do think Penny does own her villianhood partly because she treated this show as a "game." She didn't take the spats so personally because she knows this isn't a reflection on her personal character, necessarily. I'm not saying this is the best strategy when the prize is a show on the Food network rather than just a pot of money (as on Amazing Race or Survivor etc.), but maybe Penny figured she was never going to win anyway and just thought she'd go all out.

                                                                                                  MB on the other takes it all personally because this is how she really is. Petty and small.

                                                                                                  ~TDQ

                                                                                                  1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                    I agree with everything you said!