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Poll: Would you eat a dog

Im not talking about your housepet...dogs raised on a farm or facility specifically for the purpose of being slaughtered to be eaten.

I never have...but if I was in Korea or somewhere it was on the menu I would definitely try it.

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  1. In theory, I would like to try it, maybe just a satay skewer, or a little bit in a stew. In practice, I was in Vietnam and saw it and chickened out. There was a hind quarter with tail on the grill and I didn't want to have to order a whole plate of it. I'm going to Indonesia soon, maybe I'll have another chance.

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    1. re: babette feasts

      "...Hind quarter with tail on the grill..." That did it.

    2. Under absolutely NO conditions would EVEN consider doing this. I'd rather cut off my own arm and eat it before I'd do anything like that. But I don't judge others for what they do concerning this, that's their responsibility, not mine.

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      1. re: arktos

        +1, or perhaps I should say -1 considering the topic. I can't imagine eating such a magnificent animal, although I certainly understand that my objection is cultural. Ditto for cats and horses.

        1. re: arktos

          Agree completely. I have two dogs ...my best friends ...I would feel like a cannibal.

        2. I really like the dogs I have met as pets over the years, so I would certainly not choose to eat it.
          Besides, dog meat would be a lot more popular if the flavor was really good.

          1. No, but it seems unfair how many dogs in my lifetime seemed willing and eager to eat me.

            I loathe everything about dogs. Their excrement. Their breath. Their stink. The damage they do, the fear they impart. Their noise. But I would not eat one, even to silence the beast.

            1. I can't swear that I haven't already. I have no compunction in ordering from a street vendor in Mexico who has a mouth-watering aroma coming from their cart without knowing the source of their meat.

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              1. re: PotatoHouse

                Dogs are not served or eaten in Mexico.

                1. re: Veggo

                  There is a recipe for chihuahua in a book called Unmentionable Cuisine by Carl W Schwabe.

                  1. re: whs

                    Ouch! At least it's not a mexican dish. Chihuahua is a city and state in Mexico, but not an entree!

                    1. re: Veggo

                      If they're serving authentic Aztec, yes, yes it is.

                      1. re: Fibber McGee

                        I think perro has been off-menu for about 1200 years...

                        1. re: Veggo

                          So the Aztecs stopped serving it 500 years before they came into prominence? Are your sure?

                          1. re: Fibber McGee

                            I dunno for sure. i'm still trying to figure out how to use this cool wooden Aztec calendar, but the instructions are in Nahuatl.

                            1. re: Veggo

                              End of the line clearance sale?

              2. No. To me, they are a pet, not something to eat. I have zero curiosity in how one tastes. While I certainly understand it's a practice of other cultures, I admit it would be tough for me to see them in a market before slaughter.

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                1. re: LeoLioness

                  That's a very good point about lack of curiosity. I really, really don't care to know what a dog tastes like.

                2. Yes, I'd try it. I don't really hold with the American idea that we only eat the animals that aren't cute, or we don't know. I worked on a lamb ranch, and so the idea of knowing your food is in fact, a living creature is valuable, but that is a WHOLE OTHER THING FOR ANOTHER DAY.

                  I'd also try cats, and I adore cats.

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                  1. re: GirlyQ

                    Please don't adore or adorn my cat.

                    1. re: GirlyQ

                      Thete's a difference in not eating animals you find cute and not wanting to eat an animal you may have as a pet and it's not a uniquely "American" concept. I've eaten rabbit, but can understand why my friend-who has one as a pet-eould not feel comfortable doing so.

                    2. Yes.
                      I wouldn't eat *a* dog as you put it, but I would eat dog.
                      I love dogs, had dogs most of my life, and have a loving border collie. I wouldn't want to eat some pet, though.

                      I remember a story about South Korea banning dog restaurants for the '88 olympics in Seoul. I was somewhat taken aback and disappointed. Not that I was going to Seoul to try dog, but the fact that they'd ban a menu option simply because it isn't in Western fashion...

                        1. The very thought horrifies me. I revere dogs.

                            1. This subject reminds me of the movie, King Rat, about WWII prisoners in a Japanese camp. I still remember the scene about Hawkin's dog.

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                              1. re: curiousgeo

                                As I recall the officers in King's inner circle ate the dog heartily, as did the other officers with their mule deer/rat meat. Certainly no one could object to eating dog under desperate circumstances.

                                Perhaps the question should be, would you eat dog to avoid starving.

                              2. How do you know I haven't?

                                1. Honestly, it's an interesting question.

                                  I have considered too many dogs to be a part of my family, and it would feel like cannibalism to me. I don't think I could do it under regular circumstances, unless it was perhaps a wild dog or wolf (although there is really no reason why that should make a difference).

                                  Now if I was in some sort of situation where dog was the only food, that would be an entirely different matter. But then again, I would eat another human in that situation too, so long as they were already dead.

                                  1. If I were starving, probably - but not one I knew.
                                    Under other circumstances I wouldn't. Dogs, cats, people - none fall into my concept of food groups.
                                    Horse I'm uncertain about. I suspect I wouldn't know until I was in the situation.

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                                    1. re: meatn3

                                      I live in Canada and can find horse meat at virtually any large supermarket

                                      1. re: kpaxonite

                                        Yeah, why don't they offer it here in the US, I wonder?

                                        1. re: pdxgastro

                                          Very old laws regarding the retail sale of.You can slaughter and cook for private consumption,there maybe some state by state specific differences.If memory serves it goes back to the early days of many live and semi-killed vaccines that were produced for humans and pets in horses and the fear,risk of communcating tetanus,rabies,?more on the list fail me,age related CRS.

                                          1. re: lcool

                                            yeeeeah. Horsemeat is, of course, legal in France, but there are notices in lots of places to remember that there is NOT a herd raised specifically for food anywhere in Europe, and so what you're buying used to work/be ridden/etc, and to keep in mind that vaccines, antibiotics, etc., etc., etc may still be present in the meat.

                                            I don't like horsemeat anyway, so it's not an issue, but I would have to be pretty hungry to eat it (because of the pharmacological issues, not ethical).

                                            1. re: sunshine842

                                              They are right now rounding up wild horses on the mountain behind our house. I wonder what will happen to them? ALPO? Full circle.

                                              1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                Not likely,falling again into more old and new regulations.Are you old enough to remember Hill's Brand frozen horsemeat,labeled for dogs in the freezer case of your supermarket in the 50's,maybe longer?We had it here in the DC burbs at the A&P and Safeway,both major chains.

                                                1. re: lcool

                                                  Vaguely. No dog.
                                                  I saw a lot of horsemeat the summer I worked at ALPO, in the 60's.

                                                  1. re: lcool

                                                    There was an episode about it on "Mad Men".

                                                    1. re: pdxgastro

                                                      jeeze you have tickled an old memory

                                            2. re: pdxgastro

                                              For various reasons, horsemeat never caught on in the U.S. Many yearszago horses used to be made into dogfood but that has not been the case for decades, mostly because horsemeat became a lucrative export to Europe for human consumption. Those exports ended a few years ago because animal rights activists were successful in persuading the three communities that had horse processing plants to force them to shut down, two were in Texas, one in Illinois. Now, live horses are exported for slaughter in Canada and Mexico. Four years ago the U.S. House voted to ban the slaughter of horses. The senate did not vote on the issue.

                                              1. re: John E.

                                                add to that Europeans want fresh,not hung horsemeat
                                                Bumps were put in place for live air shipment direct to Europe from the US.Ergo,over the border,trail or truck to Mexico or Canada,then on an aircraft to Europe,raising the $$ by almost 35% to the table.Creating a growing number of starving and or rescue horses in the lower 48

                                            3. re: kpaxonite

                                              Where in Canada is horsemeat available?

                                              I'm from Vancouver and lived in Toronto and have never seen horse before at either a supermarket, market or restaurant menu.


                                              1. re: brokentelephone

                                                Yup.. pretty much every supermarket has it here (montreal)

                                                1. re: kpaxonite

                                                  How is the pricing on horsemeat there relative to pork or beef?

                                                  (And, not sure whether you know but, are the horses that are used bred specifically for food, or does the meat come from older work horses that are no longer able to work? For that matter, is the meat homegrown or imported?)

                                          2. In certain situations I would. Say I was the guest of a family in Korea, Viet Nam or the Philippines, dog was on the menu of a family meal and not meant to gross out the foreigner. In that case, like the OP I would try it. It's not something I would seek out though.

                                            1. OMG NO!!!!! I have two pups and would never order dog off a menu!!! That being said, though, if there was some crazy nuclear war I'd be the first to throw my Frenchie on a spit.

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                                              1. re: schrutefarms

                                                I'd try it if I didn't know what it was. The same goes for brains (which I've never had). Probably wouldn't try them if I knew.. but if I don't know, bring it on. That's how I finally tried tripe (in Boston's Chinatown). Didn't know what it was, tried it, liked it... "so THAT'S what tripe tastes like."

                                                I've always wondered if, say, a cocker spaniel tastes differently from a Pekingese or a German Shepherd, or if all dogs taste the same.

                                                1. re: MarlboroMan

                                                  lol Im picturing you walking through a dog park wondering about which dog would taste best and why

                                                  I suppose it is a good question though... the meat we usually eat doesn`t come from as many sub-species as dog would and is usually flavoured on what we give them to eat and their environment (grass fed, free range)

                                                  Also if you wouldn`t eat then does it mean you wouldn`t eat their cousins like wolves and hyenas

                                                  1. re: kpaxonite

                                                    :) Hyenas are more like cats than dogs, despite their appearance.

                                              2. I could not knowingly eat dog - yes, it's a cultural thing as dogs, to me, are part of my family. I certainly understand the difference between a pet and something raised specifically to be eaten, but it's just a cultural taboo in my mind. There's just too much human personality and loveliness in dogs for me to want to eat them.

                                                1. I don't see myself going in and ordering it.

                                                  But if I were at some sort of social function where it was served, I'd most likely go ahead and eat it.

                                                  That's how I came to try horse -- I was at a dinner function, the pate was brought out, and I noticed it had a flavor I didn't recognize. Someone else asked what it was, and sure enough, it was horse. I finished it to be polite, but I genuinely didn't care for it -- which I'd decided before I knew what it was. Finding out it was horse just underlined my decision not to eat it again.

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                                                  1. re: sunshine842

                                                    I was in Paris in 1978 and my friend and I ordered steak. The steak tasted off to us and we discovered it was horse. Would not order it intentionally again, but, if extremely hungry, yes.

                                                    1. re: nvcook

                                                      Just FYI, all major grocery stores in the Montreal area have horse alongside the pork/beef/chicken in the meat aisle.

                                                      1. re: porker

                                                        When living in downeast Maine, we make trips to Quebec City w/ one of the objectives to have a good horse meal.

                                                  2. pretty sure i did. i lived in Korea, friends took me to a restaurant and wouldn't tell me what we were eating. i know it was mammal, i know it wasn't beef, lamb, or pork. i doubt it was rabbit, which i have had before, and it was too big to be rat. i would not go out of my way to find it or eat it, but it wasn't bad, and if i was served it again i would not refuse it.

                                                    I have friends who won't eat lamb, duck, or rabbit because they won't eat 'cute' creatures. wonder how that makes baby calves, piglets, and ducklings feel.

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                                                    1. re: KaimukiMan

                                                      My wife won't eat rabbit,duck,goose,lamb,beef veal, piglet, or anything that once lived in,on,or near water. So no frog legs for me nor duck or goose. I can go deer hunting but if I should happen to get one I'm not allowed to bring it home.

                                                      Yes, we do have pretty limited menu.

                                                      1. re: dhmill

                                                        What does she have against chickens and turkeys?

                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                          Nothing that I know of. She just these ideas about what she eats. She also cooks beef so well done that it's barely edible. In fact she doesn't really like it either and only eats a few bites and then passes it to me. But I don't eat it. I simply pass it on to my dogs.

                                                    2. no. if i start eating dog one of these days i might as well eat humans too...

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                                                      1. re: crowmuncher

                                                        well that certainly shows how you feel about humans...

                                                        1. re: kpaxonite

                                                          i would says it shows how i feel about dogs more than about humans...it means that i consider dogs family and if i were to eat one of them, well i might as well eat humans too. If it's a question of morality, it would be just as bad for me

                                                          1. re: crowmuncher

                                                            I consider animals to be animals not family,friends or soul mates and am actually quite curious as to the taste and texture of dog meat. I've enjoyed horse in Canada and whale in Scandinavia and god knows what in Latin America.

                                                      2. I guess this is more than just theoretical for me. Many years ago I found myself in a situation where dog meat was served. I wasn't grossed out or anything, but I just couldn't bring myself to take a bowl. If memory serves, I think I actually avoided eating anything there, just to make certain I didn't consume the dog.

                                                        If I was in the same situation now, I like to think that I would take at least a bite. Viewpoints change. Back then I thought of the whole thing as something of a betrayal (of a friend of man); it just seemed wrong to slaughter and eat a creature that's been by our side. I still go with that, but I place the respect of traditions and just plain survival higher. Also, the reality of how we develop our beliefs and whether or not they're actually ours got me as I grew older.

                                                        So, pass the dog. Mind as well serve the horse too.

                                                        1. I don't think I would order dog intentionally. But if it was served to me, I think it would be respectful to try it. I have no moral code against it, any more than I have an objection to eating any other ethically raised animal, or wild animal hunted for the purposes of food. I just don't feel any curiosity to try it. Horse on the other hand is something I'm curious to try.

                                                            1. I wouldn't eat my dog, or your dog, but I would eat meat from dogs raised as livestock. To me it is no different the my relationship with chickens and goats. I had pet chickens and a pet goat growing up (the goat was actually very dog-like). I never would have eaten my pets, but had no problem eating chicken from the grocery store, and had goat meat been readily available in our community I would have eaten that as well.

                                                              1. "Im not talking about your housepet...dogs raised on a farm or facility specifically for the purpose of being slaughtered to be eaten.

                                                                I never have...but if I was in Korea or somewhere it was on the menu I would definitely try it."

                                                                yes, i would, according to the way you put it. why would it be different from eating intensively reared pork/chicken etc?

                                                                i saw (from my bus window) many dog and cat restaurants in northern Vietnam. really a lot of dog and cat restaurants i've ever seen on one street. the most gut wrenching sights however are all in (usually small towns) China. i did want to try but my companion was distraught to the point of tears i had to forgo my dog dindin. i once posted butchered dog photos on some photo storage sites but they deleted them.

                                                                do try it if you see it!

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                                                                1. re: Pata_Negra

                                                                  <<why would it be different from eating intensively reared pork/chicken etc?>>

                                                                  that's one of the many reasons i DON'T eat intensively reared port/chicken etc.

                                                                2. I had dog, in Seoul, a few years back. An English colleague who was with me also had some. We understood that the dogmeat which we ate came from a breed of dogs called "Hwang-gu" or "yellow-furred dog" which were specially bred to be eaten.

                                                                  The meat came in raw fillets, to be barbecued on table-top braziers, then dipped into "kochujang" (chilli-red bean paste) then wrapped in sesame leaves before being eaten. On the side, we were served "poshintang", a spicy kimchi-flavored dog-rib soup.

                                                                  Would you believe it - the set dinner we ordered was meant for 4 persons, but our 2 Korean colleagues who brought us there didn't touch the dog-meat at all (they said they'd never eaten any in their lives!), but instead ordered "samgyetang" (chicken-and-ginseng soup) for themselves!

                                                                  In fact, we were the ones who'd ASKED to be brought to a restaurant which served dog - in order to satisfy our curiousity - and our Korean colleagues couldn't find anyone amongst the 350 staff who'd eaten dog to bring us to one! So much for our stereotyped view of dogmeat-loving Koreans!

                                                                  Both my English colleague and I thought the dogmeat we had tasted like chicken dark meat. Nothing disagreeable about the taste or texture - but we both could only eat 3-4 mouthful at the most, mainly because we felt queasy about the fact that we're eating dog!

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                                                                  1. re: klyeoh

                                                                    Klyeoh, I once read a book about a tribe of cannibals on some South Seas island. It said that human flesh tastes like pork and was locally called "long pig". Just a thought for you to hold.

                                                                    1. re: Querencia

                                                                      There are probably some pigs who would like rebuttal time.

                                                                    1. I'm not starving, so no, I wouldn't want to try it. If I were literally starving and if it were the only food around - sure, I definitely would.

                                                                      1. absolutely.

                                                                        i sought it out in the phillipnes, but did not end up finding it.

                                                                        reminds me of Latka's mother on taxi - "you can't move to America, they EAT chickens and keep DOGS for pets!!!"

                                                                        1. Oh yeah I would, and I have. It was served hot pot style in a southern Chinese restaurant, boiled to oblivion in a cauldron of spicy broth so I can’t really say how it tasted. Someday I’d like to try a more minimalist preparation like a simple roasted chop to get an idea of the real taste.

                                                                          I don't really see why anyone has an ethical problem with it. Pigs are way smarter than dogs but no one cares that we slaughter them by the truckload.

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                                                                          1. re: RealMenJulienne

                                                                            "Pigs are way smarter than dogs but no one cares that we slaughter them by the truckload."
                                                                            i have a problem with this double standard too. Why would it be ok for me to eat a pig, but not a dog?

                                                                            1. re: crowmuncher

                                                                              What's the difference between a double standard and a societal norm? It's not really "okay" to do many things in some countries that are perfectly acceptable or expected in others.

                                                                              1. re: LeoLioness

                                                                                "What's the difference between a double standard and a societal norm?" i don't know actually, perhaps double standard wasn't the the best choice of words. All i know is some people in my society feel that it is ok to eat a pig and but not ok to eat a dog. I understand this is a personal choice, so personally I would not eat a pig if i would not eat a dog. Sorry if that confused you more...

                                                                              2. re: crowmuncher

                                                                                Based on your previous posts ... are you a vegetarian? You`ve implied eating a dog is a step away from eating a human and now are equating pigs and dogs...so following the logic, eating a pig is also a step away from eating humans?

                                                                                Also why does animal have to be stupid for us to think it`s ok to eat? And where do you draw the line ...if a fish is smarter than a chicken for example

                                                                                1. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                  "You`ve implied eating a dog is a step away from eating a human"
                                                                                  not so, again this is a PERSONAL choice, i believe eating a dog FOR ME (not you) is as bad as eating a human; not a step away, the SAME actually...

                                                                                  yes, i am "equating pigs and dogs"; many people enjoy pigs as pets as they do dogs

                                                                                  "Also why does animal have to be stupid for us to think it`s ok to eat...and where do (I) draw the line?"
                                                                                  this one i struggle with personally because i do eat seafood (I'm not a vegetarian); if i had an aquarium I probably wouldn't; if that seems illogical to you I completely understand because it is. This is why i would never judge anyone for eating a dog, a pig, a fish, or a human (i think that's illegal though) for that matter...

                                                                                  As I've stated in previous threads, we must do what is best for US as individuals.

                                                                                  1. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                    , eating a pig is also a step away from eating humans?

                                                                                    Much literature suggests that the reason why Jews and Muslims do not eat pork is that the flesh is too similar to human.

                                                                                    1. re: Delucacheesemonger

                                                                                      Really - "much literature"? I was raised as a pretty well-informed and widely-read Jew (though now a confirmed atheist), and I've NEVER heard that one before. The rule of kashrut for land animals does not single out pigs at all - in fact it's pretty simple: to be kosher, an animal must have a cloven hoof and chew its cud (and, of course, be ritually slaughtered).

                                                                                      Thus cattle, sheep, goats, deer, and bison are kosher. Pigs, camels, horses and rabbits (among many others) are not. You just hear more about observant Jews not eating pork because it's so commonly eaten in the gentile world. But would you compare rabbit, horse or camel meat to human? Personally I find rabbit to be very much like chicken (albeit with more annoying tiny bones). Horsemeat is more like venison. I've never tried camel - or human, for that matter.

                                                                                      1. re: Delucacheesemonger

                                                                                        enough so that medical training sometimes uses pork because the skin and flesh react similarly to human flesh when punctured by hypodermic and suture needles (and I *think* I saw an episode of Miami Ink where they had an apprentice practicing putting ink on a pork roast. Hey, I had the flu....)

                                                                                        1. re: Delucacheesemonger

                                                                                          Pork is not eaten because the pig is considered a "dirty" animal. Dirty has nothing to do with it's mud baths. Pigs do not sweat so the mud is a means to cool off. However, pigs will eat anything that they can swallow. A friend used to collect dead diseased chickens from the local egg farm and feed them to his pigs. The pigs would gobble them down,feathers and all.

                                                                                          1. re: dhmill

                                                                                            What your friend did is not conducive to raising good quality pork. I grew up in hog country and know a lot of swine producers and none of them feed their hogs anything but the highest quality feed.

                                                                                            1. re: John E.

                                                                                              I know that John. Chuck was trying to raise his hogs as cheaply as possible and he got the chickens for free. By the way, I would never eat any of his pork.

                                                                                                1. re: westsidegal

                                                                                                  That story is full of interesting anecdotes. I wonder what the majority of hof producers in the big hog producing areas of the country are feeding their animals?

                                                                                            2. re: Delucacheesemonger

                                                                                              I am pretty sure the reason Muslims and Jews do not eat pork is not because pork fles is too similar to human. Hindus do not eat cows because cows are holy/sacred. Muslims do not eat pigs because pigs are dirty. Very different and rather opposite reason.

                                                                                              1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                And just as random as all religious food dogma.

                                                                                                Look, ma, dog! Ha.

                                                                                                1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                  I don't really know about India but every Indian restaurant that I've been to in the U.S. has served beef. Maybe it's only certain cows that are sacred. I've seen pictures and movies of India which showed cows wandering the streets but they were lone cows, certainly not herds of cows.

                                                                                                  1. re: dhmill

                                                                                                    "I don't really know about India but every Indian restaurant that I've been to in the U.S. has served beef."

                                                                                                    In my case, I will say about half of the Indian restaurants I have been to serve cow, and half do not. It is about business. In addition, not all Hindus takes that religion nearly as serious others, and some are not even Hindus. Just like Jews. In theory, a Jew should not eat pork, yet almost all my Jewish friends do not eat pork. Muslims in general take their religion rules more seriously. Nevertheless, the point is that cows are scared in Hindu. The rationale for not eating cows is the opposite for Muslim refusing to eat pigs.

                                                                                                    1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                      Not sure what the cows are scared of, if nobody's eating them..:)

                                                                                                      1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                        I think its a spelling mistake, I'm guessing Chem meant "Nevertheless, the point is that cows are scared in Hindi"
                                                                                                        They're not so scared in English {;-/)

                                                                                                        1. re: porker

                                                                                                          Not after the "eat mor chikin' " campaign got legs...

                                                                                                          1. re: porker

                                                                                                            Isn't the typo that 'scared' should be 'sacred'? Either way, it made me laugh. Cute typo.

                                                                                                            1. re: montrealeater

                                                                                                              Actually I think its supposed to be cows being scarred by Hindus.

                                                                                                              1. re: porker

                                                                                                                This is so sad, those poor cows, my eyes are welling up, I need a Kleenex...scar tissue...

                                                                                                                1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                  Stop, stop, I'm getting scarred stiff....

                                                                                                            2. re: porker

                                                                                                              Funny, my first time spelling is correct, then I spelled it wrong the second time:
                                                                                                              "Hindus do not eat cows because cows are holy/sacred. ...."

                                                                                                              "cows are scared in Hindu"

                                                                                                              See the difference? :D

                                                                                                        2. re: dhmill

                                                                                                          Really? There are three Indian restaurants in my town and none of them serve beef.

                                                                                                          1. re: dhmill

                                                                                                            Not all Indians are Hindu, and, more importantly, most visitors to US Indian restaurants are not Hindu.

                                                                                                            One bad thing about the system in India is that while cows are revered by some groups, there are areas where the cows can't be killed, but, since the male cows aren't useful for milk, they end up being neglected or underfed. So, while they're not killed, from what I've heard (and they're probably better off than some animals in factory farms) they're not always living the high life either.

                                                                                                            1. re: will47

                                                                                                              Good point. Not all Indians are Hindu. Some of the US Indian restaurants are operated by Muslims for example, which has no trouble of serving and eating beef.

                                                                                                              1. re: will47

                                                                                                                I saw a documentary about this. (I watch a lot of obscure-subject documentaries) - a lot of the cows, who are free range in cities and rural areas, eat garbage. The garbage gets all twisted up inside their bellies and they swell up, can't eat, and will eventually die of malnutrition. Some Aussie vet was traveling around India doing surgery on these cows - local anaesthetic, cut 'em open, and YANK out these huge piles of plastic and garbage. It was gross but also oddly satisfying to see the animals relieved and happy afterwards.

                                                                                                                1. re: will47

                                                                                                                  Male cows? They're not scared or sacred, since they don't actually exist. They're either bulls or steers. I'm not Hindu but I didn't get the impression that they were revered, there were lots of bovine beasts of burden whenever I was in india which I assumed were the males.

                                                                                                                  1. re: hsk

                                                                                                                    "Male cows? They're not scared or sacred, since they don't actually exist. "

                                                                                                                    Actually cow has two distinctive meanings. One of which does NOT exclude male. From Merriam-Webster dictionary:

                                                                                                                    2.: : a domestic bovine animal regardless of sex or age

                                                                                                                    From freedictionary.com:

                                                                                                                    3. A domesticated bovine of either sex or any age.

                                                                                                                    "I'm not Hindu but I didn't get the impression that they were revered,"

                                                                                                                    "Observant Hindus, even though they might eat meat of other animals, almost always abstain from beef, and the slaughter of cows is considered a heinous sin in mainstream Orthodox Hinduism. Slaughter of cows (including oxen, bulls and calves) is forbidden by law in several states of the Indian Union"



                                                                                                                    1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                      I'm sorry Chem, but those definitions are not acceptable, at least not in farm or cattle country. Just because so many people do not know the difference between a cow and a bull does not make it right, I don't care what Merriam has to say on the subject.

                                                                                                                      1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                        Male cattle, then. I don't live in cattle country; regardless, I think it's obvious what I meant.

                                                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                          "The dictionary is wrong, I'm right."

                                                                                                                          1. re: joonjoon

                                                                                                                            More like, I live in farm country. I have a cattlman that harvests hundreds of bales of clover hay from my property. I know about cattle, cows, bulls, and steers. I don't care what Merriam's says about that particular term.

                                                                                                                            1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                              i agree with you. it's a bit like saying "male ewe" or "male mare" or "male woman." or, for that matter, saying "female bull," or "female ram," or "female stallion/gelding" or "female man."

                                                                                                                              the reason that using a gender-specific word to refer to the other gender (in english) sounds so stupid is because it's so incorrect, and there are gender-neutral words for all these animals/people, anyway. that said, i understood what the poster meant and i don't think it's a worse offense than someone talking about their "refined pallet" or their "discrete server" or their "dignity in tact." ;-P

                                                                                                                              1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                There are different definition for everyone. The dictionary, in a sense, reflects what are currently being understood by others. Now, it does not mean you have to personally use or agree with the definition, but it does mean it is not a "out of the blue"definition. I personally do not use "gtg" for "got to go", but I understand some people do.

                                                                                                                                Let me use my analogy against yours. I am a scientist by training. I have a understanding of the definition of "Force" in science, much like you have a understanding of "cow" in a cattle ranch.

                                                                                                                                That being said, I also know there are other definitions of "Force" and am not going to argue against Obi-Wan Kenobi statement of "The Force is what gives a Jedi his power"

                                                                                                                                Back to the main topic, it is that Hindus have a special respect for cattle (or cow or bovine or whatever).

                                                                                                                                1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                                  You are correct in that people use words in ways depending on their experiences. The scientific analogy you use does not quite work for me since most people are not scientifically trained. Most people have heard of cows and bulls and it should not take too much to know the difference.

                                                                                                                                  Since reading one of the earlier posts on this thread I have begun to question the 'special respect' for the male cow in India. Do they really let them wander around and not feed them so they eat plastic and trash? I have seen photos of cattle (I do not know which gender) wandering the streets in India. If in fact they are simply wandering around, to be certain not going to slaughter, but not being well-cared for either, then I don't consider that 'special respect'. If I actually had more interest in the subject I'd do some research on the topic, but I do not.

                                                                                                                                  (If Obi-Wan referred to a bull as a male cow I would find it necessary to correct him, despite the powers of the force).

                                                                                                                                  1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                    "Most people have heard of cows and bulls and it should not take too much to know the difference."

                                                                                                                                    That is the point, a segment of people do not use the same definition, so in their definition, the difference is different from yours.

                                                                                                                                    "Do they really let them wander around and not feed them so they eat plastic and trash?"

                                                                                                                                    I didn't say that.

                                                                                                                                    "then I don't consider that 'special respect'"

                                                                                                                                    I am actually not a Hindi, so I will not try too hard to debate, but I think the important thing is that they do not entertain the idea of eating cattle.

                                                                                                                                    "If Obi-Wan referred to a bull as a male cow I would find it necessary to correct him, despite the powers of the force"

                                                                                                                                    That's what you say now. :P

                                                                                                                                    1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                                      while we are parsing terms, hindu is wrt: the major world religion, hindi is wrt: the major world language. incidentally hindi and urdu are essentially the same spoken language, just written differently depending on whether one is muslim, or not. in an effort to keep this food related, muslim butchers do most of the butchering of cattle in india. there are also many christian indians, mostly in southern india, many of whom will eat beef.

                                                                                                                                      hindi is not the plural form of hindu, etc.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                                        The next time I see our cattleman up north I will ask him when he next going to butcher a castrated male heifer.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                          John E - I mentioned the doc I watched about the vet who went around India doing surgery on bovines to remove the plastic from their stomachs and look what popped up 9hrs ago on a site I sometimes visit: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b91_13... (this is a clip from the doc - some will find it gross, but it has a happy ending - incidentally, this vet is also part of a campaign to get Indians in some areas to throw plastic waste in garbage containers, because the fact that they don't is one reason so many cows are in such bad shape). Also, the cow is locally anaethetised in this clip, they just edited that part out.

                                                                                                                                          Re: the term 'cow' - I grew up around cattle country and I know you would get laughed out of town for calling a male bovine a 'cow', but we do have to defer to the dictionary on the *technical* definition, no?

                                                                                                                                          1. re: montrealeater

                                                                                                                                            It doesn't come up often enough for me to need to accept calling a bull or a steer a cow. If it came up in daily conversation I'd either need to accept it or quietly go nuts.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                              Maybe for people in the business of bovine husbandry, distinguishing between male and female with every sentence makes sense, since an animal's gender has huge implications for how much the animal costs and to what uses it can be put.

                                                                                                                                              But for everyone else, this rigid adherence to making that distinction seems rather silly. Put a slab of Bos primigenius steak off the grill in front a group of chowhounds, and I have no doubt that none of them would be able to tell whether it came from a cow or a bull.

                                                                                                                                              In your world, what is the common gender-neutral word for this animal?
                                                                                                                                              Is there any other animal (including Homo sapiens) for which there is no gender-neutral word? That ought to tell you something.

                                                                                                                2. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                                                  not stupider - as far as I'm concerned - but more lacking of self awareness

                                                                                                                3. re: crowmuncher

                                                                                                                  "I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy, but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way." - Jules, Pulp Fiction

                                                                                                                  1. re: porker

                                                                                                                    better a Royale with Cheese for Jules ;)

                                                                                                                4. re: RealMenJulienne

                                                                                                                  Well if you are what you eat, shouldn't you eat smart things?

                                                                                                                  ; )

                                                                                                                  1. re: RealMenJulienne

                                                                                                                    Pigs are way smarter than dogs but no one cares that we slaughter them by the truckload.

                                                                                                                    Pigs are scary smart! I had a friend years ago who raised pigs... they're smart, and they can be really mean too
                                                                                                                    (it's okay to eat smart animals if they're mean... and they taste good)
                                                                                                                    ;-) <--- notice the 'wink' before anyone gets enraged by that statement

                                                                                                                    1. re: cgarner

                                                                                                                      In the mean-animal category, pigs earn a star next to their name.

                                                                                                                      hard to believe that anything as sweet and cuddly as a baby pig can turn into something as foul-tempered and ornery as a grown-up hog.

                                                                                                                      1. re: sunshine842

                                                                                                                        I have friends who share the same sentiment about their ex-spouses.

                                                                                                                        1. re: sunshine842

                                                                                                                          Guy pulls up to a farm and is greeted by a 3 legged pig. He asks the farmer what happened to the pig. Farmer says there was a fire in the house awhile back, pig came in, woke everyone up and saved the family.
                                                                                                                          "Thats how he lost a leg?"
                                                                                                                          "Well howd he lose it?"
                                                                                                                          "I tell ya, a pig that good, you don't eat all at once!"

                                                                                                                          1. re: porker

                                                                                                                            i LOVE that joke. my dad told it to me years ago, almost with tears in his eyes, in sympathy for the pig (and my dad's a carnivore.)

                                                                                                                    2. Sure why not? Haven't tried it and like you've stated, raised specifically for the purposes of being slaughtered. I almost had it in China, it was stewing away in a pot in the middle of winter in Beijing. My travel group was having none of it though so didn't get to try. Shame.

                                                                                                                      The way I figure it, humans are kind of the top of the food chain these days and if faced with starvation, Fido or Fluffy is gonna get it. Basic human nature to survive.

                                                                                                                      1. Never, ever. I'd eat worms first.

                                                                                                                        1. I would try it. I may have already but don't really know.

                                                                                                                          Dogs raised for food doesn't seem terribly different from guinea pigs, rabbits, pigs, and all those other "cute" animals we eat.

                                                                                                                          I'm a dog lover and have two of my own which of course I'd never eat. Although I do periodically warn the chubby chi mix that he would make a tasty shish kabob in the event of a national food emergency.

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                                                                                                                          1. re: tcamp

                                                                                                                            I also have a chubby chi mix that I like to threaten when it's too hot to go grocery shopping...

                                                                                                                          2. I ate dog in 'Nam, preferred it to C-rations. In S. Korea we were invited to my DIL's grandfather's farm and "honored" w/ a dog feast. Liver soup, ribs, and stir fry. Just another meat. I sometimes jokingly threaten our Lab and call her Don Kay, the Korean word for dog meat.
                                                                                                                            Give me enough So Ju and I'll eat almost anything. The live baby octopus was a challange, however.

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                                                                                                                            1. Sure. I'm a cat person. ;-)

                                                                                                                              1. Nah. Mine are too old. They would be tough.

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                                                                                                                                1. Yes,already have during our long stints in Asia and would again.The best was in ROK,South Korea,raised on a diet of "dog rice" (mostly barley) for human consumption.The Vietnamese and Burmese do a good job of it also,Laos and Cambodia not so good.
                                                                                                                                  As for fresh,raw I will take my buzzards here,Montgomery Co Md and ancestral home,3 counties in eastern Montana as qualified experts.They pick a dog clean faster than anything else I have seen.

                                                                                                                                  However I would also prefer to see an export of dogs like in these links put to a better use in a protein starved world.

                                                                                                                                  #1 http://www.nbcnews.com/news/local/bus...

                                                                                                                                  #2 http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/d...

                                                                                                                                  #3 http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/loc...

                                                                                                                                  #3 has much to see when you google it

                                                                                                                                  note that both of these were in the same week,an all too common event,not just in the DC area

                                                                                                                                  1. Couldn't do it (unless I was literally starving, but heck, I'd eat a person then too). I grew up training dogs from the time I could walk - I don't consider them on par with people, but I do consider them a companion animal. They serve so many other functions and they are genuine in their affection. My dogs would die to protect me. Knowing the species is capable of that, I couldn't bring myself to eat them for pleasure. There is speculation among scientists that dogs as a species changed the evolution of human brains - that they helped us develop some of our better traits.

                                                                                                                                    1. I don't eat meat, but in a crisis I would consider it.
                                                                                                                                      And a dog is no different ot any other animal - so yes, I would.

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                                                                                                                                      1. re: Peg

                                                                                                                                        Peg, your answer reminds me of something a colleague in graduate school said. She posited a hypothetical; "If I were stranded on an island with another person and a dog, with just enough food to give to one of them I'm not sure which I would choose." Then she asked what I would do. The look of horror on her face was priceless when I answered "I'd kill the dog and we would both eat it."

                                                                                                                                        I'm with you, if it's saving a human vs. saving a dog, the human wins every time.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: kmcarr

                                                                                                                                          after much reflection, I'm with you too.

                                                                                                                                          same reason.

                                                                                                                                      2. Yes, I would. I've already eaten cat meat, so fairness dictates that I should eat dog meat as well.

                                                                                                                                        1. I don't know. Not if I wasn't starving... and even then I don't know... I remember watching "The Road" with Viggo Mortenson, and there was a family of survivors with a pet dog. Why didn't they eat their dog, I wondered...
                                                                                                                                          would I rather starve to death or eat a dog... I am surprised this is a hard question! I guess because I keep thinking of MY dog, or my cats. Maybe if it was a dog I didn't know and love, AND it was post-apocalypse AND I'd eaten the last of my hoarded cans of tuna. Then, maybe yes.

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                                                                                                                                          1. re: LittleBee

                                                                                                                                            I guess in a "would I eat a dog to survive" question, I guess if eating said dog would actually be the difference to me surviving whatever horrible conditions I were in and getting out of them, then sure, pass the leash. But if eating roasted poodle would merely extend this hypothetical existence, then I'd take a pass. Not to mention the fact that I'd probably be gagging/retching the 1-2 bites I might actually be able to stomach anyway.

                                                                                                                                          2. I think of canines as companions, not chow. I have a 14 year old hound that I cuddle with every night, and I wouldn't want to eat his cousin, however distant.

                                                                                                                                            Off topic, my mom had a pet duck as a child and never ate duck as a result. So to each his/her own.

                                                                                                                                            1. Apparently where I live dog meat is completely legal to eat and sell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat .... I wonder what would happen if some tried to open such a restaurant though,,,,

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                                                                                                                                              1. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                                                                                You mean the Plateau? Hehe.
                                                                                                                                                Montreal would sooner shut you down for not having the right cash register...{;-/).
                                                                                                                                                Likely PETA would burn you out...

                                                                                                                                              2. Frankly, meat is meat. I was more put off w/ cuy(guinea pig). They leave the tiny paws on. Gotta go; the god damn dog is barking. Hmmmmm, What to cook for breakfast? Not much in the fridge. Boy the dog sure looks good....

                                                                                                                                                ps Our Lab is a poop eater. I'd never eat her. You are what you eat? Gag!

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                                                                                                                                                1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                  Guinea pigs eat their own poop, too. It's normal for a lot of animals and called coprophagy.


                                                                                                                                                2. I've eaten some stranger things than dog. I took classes, and then later taught, in a wilderness survival school. Now, I wouldn't eat a pet, but that's because they are fed such a disgusting diet. But a nice corn and vegetable fed, farm raised, tender young dog. You betcha.

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                                                                                                                                                  1. re: JMF

                                                                                                                                                    Kinda like pigeon - city pigeon scares me (in a disgusting way). Shoot me a bush pigeon, tasty.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: JMF

                                                                                                                                                      Careful, you'll open up a whole can of worms with a corn-fed versus grass-fed dog debate...

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: porker

                                                                                                                                                        Porker, my grandpa ate city pigeons (albeit almost 100 years ago) and squirrels too. He had nine kids, and times were tough.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: pinehurst

                                                                                                                                                          Yeah, times were tough, my dad told stories of stealing chickens in the night and eating nothing but cabbage for days on end.
                                                                                                                                                          I've eaten squirrel and pigeon, but taken from the bush. Those city slickers surely are edible, but I guess with a choice and times being somewhat easier, I'll pass for the time being.
                                                                                                                                                          I remember reading an article about California farmlands and a huge influx of migrant workers who brought their eating habits with them (from all over the world - N/S America, Asia, Europe, etc). The workers began trapping wild animals for their own consumption and soon there were localized population drops of various species including snakes, rats, and mice.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: pinehurst

                                                                                                                                                            My father tells stories about when he was a prisoner in a Siberian camp during WWII and they had been given an allotment of sugar, but no food. They were starting to come down with scurvy and collected pine needles and the few herbs and grasses left in the camp, and made a huge cauldron of sweet pine needle tea. They let it sit out overnight so that the roaches and rodents would climb in and drown. Then they brought it to a boil again and ate/drank it. Now THAT'S tough times!

                                                                                                                                                            Makes the thought of dog, flying rats, etc. sound pretty damn good.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: JMF

                                                                                                                                                              Makes C-rations look like manna of the Gods.

                                                                                                                                                      2. Why not? I have eaten dog (in a stew). I actually don't like it nearly as much as pork. But just asking this questions certainly reflects a cultural bias. Would Indians eat beef? Would Muslims eat pork?

                                                                                                                                                        1. depends.....would that be considered red meat, or white meat?

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                                                                                                                                                          1. re: basketwoman

                                                                                                                                                            Could be a marketing strategy: dog, the other, other white meat. Maybe in the meat aisle between capybara and gibnut.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: porker

                                                                                                                                                                Don't knock capybara. How do you get around the rodent issue.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                  Actually quite tasty along with Agouti and Tapir.....If dressed well and curried.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Duppie

                                                                                                                                                                    I shot one in The Beni in Bolivia. Roasted on a spit.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                      has to be washed in lime juice....cuts the rodent rank and tang,then the sky's the limit....

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                          I had me some in tomato sauce in Belize. The English speaking folk call em gibnut, the Maya call them tepesquintle (and get a glint in their eye when speaking about them). I call them tasty.

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: porker

                                                                                                                                                                            I'm no fan of capybara. I never ate one, but one bit me in Costa Rica.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                                                              now THERE's a sentence you don't hear every day! Do you at least have a scar you can wield as a visual aid to the story?

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: sunshine842

                                                                                                                                                                                Mental scarring. 4 of us were having lunch on the terrace at the Ocotal on Nicoya peninsula and a capybara emerges from the shrubbery scavanging for handouts. Without provocation, it lunges at my leg and chomps on my calf. My 3 friends still get a good laugh about it.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                                                                  Holy cow. At least it's a good story!

                                                                                                                                                                                  (and they're big enough, it's not like you can just dislodge 'em with a good kick!)

                                                                                                                                                                2. Well considering the fact that I don't eat any meat or animal byproducts that would have to be a big fat NO!

                                                                                                                                                                  1. nope, never, not even if I was starving. why prolong the inevitable

                                                                                                                                                                    1. I'm going to vote no one this one. I certainly don't condemn those who do. Ever culture has it's own food practices, and I am in absolutely in no position to think poorly about anyone who does eat dog.
                                                                                                                                                                      But I have 2 dogs I love more than anything, and I just couldn't feel good about it for myself.
                                                                                                                                                                      If I were traveling and found myself in a place that served it, I'm sure there would be something else on the menu I could chose.

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                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: alliegator

                                                                                                                                                                        your don't have to tell your dogs.....

                                                                                                                                                                      2. H to the E to the double L, NO!

                                                                                                                                                                        1. but we happily ate dolphin in tuna and wipe out the blue fin tuna.
                                                                                                                                                                          What a funny species we are.
                                                                                                                                                                          golly gee grandson, I can remember when the gulf of Maine had fish and the US a fishing fleet.

                                                                                                                                                                          Eat 'em all, eat 'em , the long and the short and the tall.

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                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                            Only when the last tree has died and the last river poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realize we cannot eat money.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: porker

                                                                                                                                                                                  Old Navajo saying (My neck of the woods.), I grew up knowing it's wrong to have more than you need. It means you're not taking care of your people.

                                                                                                                                                                          2. Nope, not dogs or cats, and it's purely emotional. love them, mine or anyone's, too much.
                                                                                                                                                                            As for the cute thing, i recently ate llama in Bolivia. it was delicious.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. I highly doubt I would eat dog meat, but not really because of the reasons some others have posted. I would skip it because I think it would either be gamey, tough, or both. The other reason is because of disease and parasites. Other more typical animals raised for human consumption have entire industries devoted to raising them (like it or not) for humans to eat. I understand there are some operations that are less than clean and humane, but I know nothing of how dogs are raised for human consumption. I mostly envision a stray dog being nabbed, butchered, cooked and served. No thank you. (My reasons against eating dogs have nothing to do with them being dogs. Ask the cow what she thinks.)

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                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                They have dog "farms" in S. Korea. Two different words for dog; one means pet and the other meat.
                                                                                                                                                                                Not gamey or tough.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                  I suppose it's more of a cultural thing then. My point is that it's not because a dog is usually a pet that I would be reluctant to eat one. I would not eat a wolf, coyote, or fox either.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Well then perhaps your post should have just said no because you're a picky eater. Plenty of animals are hunted in the wild and eaten like deer and duck and crocodiles. In Canada dog meat is legal if it inspected by the food agency (though I've never ever heard of anyone seeing it).

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm not an expert, but I'm guessing that the legality issue only comes into play if dog meat is to be sold, in other words, it isn't illegal until you want to sell it uninspected. The same with deer, or perch, or wapati - no need for inspection if for personal use, yet illegal to sell if not inspected.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: porker

                                                                                                                                                                                        I suppose... You can probably kill and eat whatever animal you want as long as it isn't endangered (or human....)

                                                                                                                                                                                        Then again deer has a hunting season.- is it open season on dogs year-round?

                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm just picturing the reaction if someone brought dog meat to a bring your own meat party lol

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                                                                                                                          Deer are generally wild game and thus the regulated season. Dog, not so much. I'd figure they're more like hogs or beef (or farm-raised deer) - raise 'em and harvest them year round.

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: porker

                                                                                                                                                                                            Like Veggo stated above, dog packs were rampant in the NYC suburban areas (Yes, V, New Haven is a burb of NYC, just as Princeton, NJ is. Oh, yes don't Tigers eat Bull Dogs and Quakers?) I was tree'd by a pack and couldn't go to school in 4th grade. We used to shoot wild dogs, when deer hunting as a service to the deer.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                              So you were shooting deer and protecting them tooÉ lol

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                                                                                                                                Dogs kill deer and don't even eat them. Blood lust. Enjoy your plastic wrapped, guiltless supermarket meat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                  hey I gladly eat venison beef horse from my supermarket ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                                                                                                                                    You're missing, blood pudding. fresh liver, sweet breads and natural sausage casing. Enjoy the polyvinyl chlorides in the plastic wrap.

                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm curious as to how many deer and ducks (not to mention geese, pheasants, grouse, bear, woodcock, dove, rabbit, and squirrels you've shot, butchered, cooked and eaten) because I have done it all. I have never shot, butched, cooked and eaten dog, not because it bothers me because it's traditionally a pet, but because it's not part of my culture. I have eaten alligator. There is no tradition of eating crocodile in the U.S. because they are a protected species in southern Florida, which is the only place they live in the U. S. If I were in a situation where it was either starve or eat the family dog (or wolf or coyote), of course I would eat it. (The cat would not be safe either).

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                          On the subject of cats, the Chinese here in Singapore used to catch older cats & boil them with chicken, sugarcane & medicinal herbs - the resultant broth had all the curative qualities of chicken soup, plus some additional feline flavor.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                                                                                                                              Don't know - never tried, and don't intend to!

                                                                                                                                                                                2. Perhaps, only perhaps, if I were starving and had not yet named it.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. For me, its not about the animal I am eating, but how it was treated. I wouldn't want the life of the animal I am eating to have been miserable, regardless of the animal (I just came back from China, where the way they treat animals has left me a little shocked). That is what distresses me, not whether someone is eating it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: EllyK

                                                                                                                                                                                      I get the feeling then, you'd love to eat my Dixie!
                                                                                                                                                                                      Tongue in cheek, but most domestic pets are treated more than humanely than livestock...does that make them more appealing to you?

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: porker

                                                                                                                                                                                        Sounds like Elly has a healthy diet of housepets

                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: EllyK

                                                                                                                                                                                        EllyK, I just wanted to give you a thumbs up for this comment. I do not have a problem with animals being killed to feed humans (well, other than dogs, see post below), but I *do* have a problems with animals being made to suffer. It is arguably possible to raise and slaughter an animal with very little or no suffering involved.

                                                                                                                                                                                        I think some people see slaughter as the ultimate evil/concern and others see the conditions of the critter's life as the ultimate concern. Given the choice, I would always pay more, even quite a lot more, for meat that had been raised and slaughtered humanely.

                                                                                                                                                                                      3. If I was starving, yes. If not, no. It's the same reason I can't eat pork; I know too well how intelligent they are. Do I have cultural bias? Of course, but that doesn't change how I feel. I would not look down upon people in Korea who eat them though; they grew up thinking it was normal.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: NicoleFriedman

                                                                                                                                                                                          oi, I think "they grew up thinking it was normal" is gonna get hot....

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: NicoleFriedman

                                                                                                                                                                                            they didn't just think it was normal.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: NicoleFriedman

                                                                                                                                                                                              You are alreading looking down on them by saying 'they grew up thinking it was normal'.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: NicoleFriedman

                                                                                                                                                                                                If I recall correctly, a lot of your cultural bias *just might* have something to do with your religious heritage. Do you look down on people who don't share your religious background because they *do* eat pork?

                                                                                                                                                                                              2. Yes, I would eat dog in an appropriate setting along with any other thing people regularly eat and enjoy. I don't let the "idea" of things get in the way of what might otherwise be a great food experience. I probably would have missed out on a lot of things already, if I did. I'll try anything as long as it's legal, safe, not endangered and enjoyed by people as food (but not items eaten solely on spiritual grounds or for medicinal purposes). I like dogs, too but don't anthropomorphize them. Animal protein is animal protein.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. No.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    At least not knowingly or willingly.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Harters

                                                                                                                                                                                                      In the end.......It is all protein. A few studies after WWII mentioned that if cultural taboos were not in play fewer people would have died of starvation.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      royal rat, Garafuna (Roatan)
                                                                                                                                                                                                      all offal
                                                                                                                                                                                                      reptiles, snakes, turtles, Iguana (I think) and amphibians frogs, etc.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      songbirds, (Italy illegal but wnat is eaten in abruzzese mountains)
                                                                                                                                                                                                      As I said it is all protein, some more tasty than others

                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. Yes, I would eat dog meat.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Slightly off topic, can someone answer why we (in the US) do not eat dolphin meat?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: wadejay26

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Probably for the same reason people don't eat cats and dogs....they are cute and humans can interact with them in a friendly way. Or because people think they are too smart to be eaten. Another question is why you don't eat seals

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: porker

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I know, that's actually specifically why I said *you* to wade who said he lives in the US.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: wadejay26

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I ate pink river dolphin dolphin in Bolivia, in a small river village, w/ an Italian physcian disciple of Albert Schweitzer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: wadejay26

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'd give dolphin a shot, but ya, I still couldn't knowingly eat dog. Unless the starvation issue was at play, thankfully I have never been without resources or that hungry.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. This thread has got me thinkin'. I've had dogs all my adult life. But I had no problem eating dog in Asia. I'm a combat medic (corpsman) from Nam. Two rhetorical questions. Are we such an affluent, sterile nation that we lose perspective of the needs of other less fortunate cultures? Two, does my Vietnam experience give me a different view on what life is valuable and what is not? I'm an English and art teacher, not a barbarian. Human life is holy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Not a vet but lived,traveled and experienced a number of cultures as have you. I try to respect traditional foods and am aware that what we may consider pets here in America could very well be the only protein source in other cultures. There is nothing more sacred than human life.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  hmmm PDK .... i don't particularly find human life holy. if i did, i'd rather say that all life is holy. but i don't think any of it is holy. it just is.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  and i am positive your Nam experiences influenced you and gave you awareness of what is valuable and what is not. but that's not the only experience that does that for people, right? we all find it in different ways, if we find it at all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hmmm, maybe I got a "vegetabletarian" inside me. Food is culture. Death gives a greater appreciation for life. Dog is just one more meat. Lambs are cute too and deliscious.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Life is holy.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Teach me to dance.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Zorba Keg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hmmm, interesting questions to pose. First of all I am Australian, not North American, but for all intents and purposes we have a similarly affluent culture. I have lived in very rural and remote parts of Australia that do not have the same resources and priviliges of so many living in towns or cities. I was fortunate enough to be friendly with local indigenous people, who still engaged in traditional hunting. If I tell city folk that I had the opportunity to east such critters as dugong (similar to your manatee), turtle and goanna they would be horrified. Up there it was a way of life, people using the resources available to them. If dog happens to be your available resource, well so be it. My unwillingness to knowingly eat dog is a cultural thing and I absolutely acknowedge that. For all I know it could be delicious and I'm missing out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3. No. And not all restaurants in Seoul serve dog meat, it was quite easy to stick to places that didn't.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: hsk

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I never made that assertion - the vast majority don't serve dog meat. All I said is if I ended up somewhere that served it I would gladly and probably enthusiastically order it. Why wouldn't you?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Because I think of dogs as pets and the thought of eating one grosses me out so I don't think I would enjoy it. It's like the time I was in Yangon at a restaurant having "mutton curry" it tasted ok, not great, but I was eating it until I encountered the smallest bones I had ever seen in mutton. I decided it had to be a rodent of some sort and I didn't gag or anything but I couldn't eat another bite (of that, I still finished my meal).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. Does anyone else remember The Far Side cartoon with the castaways in the lifeboat with the dog?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The caption is missing, but it read something like "Fair is fair Larry, you drew the short straw and now we have to eat you".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Any bets on how long it will be before this thread is shut down?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        nope,Veggo and I,as well as a few others have been heavily sanitised,even on subject

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I remember that exact Larson as if it were yesterday. The smug expression on the dog's face is PRICELESS.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't know if its an attraction on the theme, but I liked the one where scraggly survivors are on an inflatable raft in the ocean. One of the guys is reaching for a box floating by on the water and is saying something like "lookey here, what do we have?" and the box is stamped with "ACME Tack, Nails, and Broken Glass Company"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. This is actually a no-brainer for me. Farm-raised dog, or even pet of someone else who I didn't know...sure I'll try it. I'll try pretty much anything at least once. My pet...not so much.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          We raised rabbits when I was young and I got to know them. It was "a bit different" eating them for dinner some nights, but it was just how we lived and got by.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: MyNameIsTerry

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Speaking of pets....my father tells of when his dad butchered their pet goat in about 1943. It was during WWII and with food rationing meat was not easy to come by. That goat meat was what they ate for meat for part of the winter. His mother had to cook their supper in mid-afternoon because she had to go clean offices in downtown Minneapolis at 5pm. He said he and his brothers could tell when their mother was cooking goat for supper because they could smell it about three blocks away as they were walkng home from school. He also said it smelled better than it tasted. My grandfather used to work in a tannery when he first emmigrated to this country so he tanned the hide of "Billy". I stll remember that goat hide with the hair still on it draped over the back of a stuffed chair in my grandma's basement. I wonder which one of my counsin's got the goat hide after she died?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Have a friend who owns a scrapyard. He thought so highly of one of his dogs, he had him stuffed after he expired. He stood in the office for years.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Alas a newly acquired pitbull tore him to shreds on his first day of the job.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: MyNameIsTerry

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I have a friend who was stationed in Korea for a bunch of years and he gave me the number one reason to never eat dog....they apparently taste better when the muscles are full of adrenaline, unlike venison, so the animals are beaten brutally with a stick before slaughter. Kind of throws all the other reasons for/arguments against right out the window. I know 'meat's meat and ya gotta eat' but that is just too much for me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            3. Absolutely not. Dogs are not called "Man's Best Friend" for nothing...they've earned that title through their devotion, protection and loyalty to our species. The very thought sickens me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. It doesn't appeal to me for some of the reasons folks have already said, texture, flavor, and I have a cute little puppy.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                But, I'm also an adventurous eater and I don't think I'd be able to resist at least trying it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: iheartcooking

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  If you are worried about texture perhaps giving the dog daily massages would help :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Duppie

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Boy, my dog would love that. Until the last day, of course.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: tcamp

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yeah...what is it with dogs and beer? every dog I've ever had loved beer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: iheartcooking

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The one I had in Korea had the texture of chicken dark meat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. I would eat it if hungry (not even starving, just... if I was hungry, and that was all that was available.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The taboo in the West would be enough to keep me from ordering it off of a menu with other options.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    But my brain explodes when I read people equating animal life, even the lives of our pets, with humans.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: rohirette

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "But my brain explodes when I read people equating animal life, even the lives of our pets, with humans."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Exchange from a Monty Python skit:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      patient: "Doctor, my brain hurts."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      doctor, after briefly examining patient: "Right, it'll have to come out!"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: rohirette

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        "But my brain explodes when I read people equating animal life, even the lives of our pets, with humans."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        But aren't we all animal life?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: crowmuncher

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          i'm with you. my head explodes in the other direction when people think human life is superior to anything else in the universe. we're just another organism, part of a system.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              evolution is not a drive from inferior to superior. it is a drive to short term adaptability to changing circumstances.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: thew

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yes, that is true; however in the case of human evolution, we have evolved to become the dominant (superior) species which early humans certainly weren't.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  we and early humans are the same, evolutionarily speaking - so I'm not sure what you mean.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: thew

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    H. antecessor, H. cepranensis, H. erectus, H. ergaster, H. floresiensis, H. gautengensis, H. georgicus, H. habilis, H. heidelbergensis, H. neanderthalensis, H. rhodesiensis, H. rudolfensis, H. sapiens idaltu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Are all early humans, all extinct, and had different evolutionary traits. H. Sapiens are the only living humans and not at all the same in evolutionary terms with early humans. We are the dominant and superior species; there is a reason we are alive and early humans aren't.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      those are all hominids (or hominims, as i think the new nomenclature is), not humans (except for idaltu and maybe neanderthal, though fewer and fewer scientists think so). the only human species is H. sapiens.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Doesn't matter if we are superior, or not, or if our lives are innately more valuable, or not.. We are humans, and we have been so succesful because we do whatever it takes to ensure our own survival.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              One of our greatest strengths is the ability to eat most anything- including dog.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: rohirette

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "the ability to eat amost anything" sounds like something a roach can do; perhaps when we make it to extinction we'll know if evolution is overrated

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: crowmuncher

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Realize u wrote most" just cant edit on my phone :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: rohirette

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm with you. If I allowed it to, it would drive me nuts when people, apparently including a small minority here, put anthropomorphic qualities on animals, whether those anomals are traditionally eaten by people here or elsewhere.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. Absolutely not. Dogs have provided me some of the best memories in my life. I'd sooner eat off my own leg.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. It would be difficult for me to eat a pet. Near impossible to eat an acquaintance.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              In exigent circumstances such as starvation, I think I probably could eat human to survive, providing the person was already dead- Andean plane crash, for instance- but no slaughtering, as in long-pork-to-feed-the-crew. And there would certainly be remorse to deal with afterward. But that's culturally imposed. Historically many cultures have embraced the enthusiastic consumption of enemies. Some have embraced ritual consumption of honored elders.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              A beloved pet dog would not hesitate to eat you if you were dead and it was hungry. Coroners tell us most housecats will begin to feed before the body is even cold. I've already eaten cat, albeit without knowing it 'til afterwards. Yes, I might try dog even knowing what it was, providing it was raised for meat and smelled really delicious. I've had several people whose opinions I trust tell me it's excellent, not to be missed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'd still have to think it over, though. As some have said, under the right circumstances, if that were what was being served and others were doing the same. Do not think I could order it off a menu.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: eclecticsynergy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                One of the issues brought up in the thread that amazes me is the number of people who would eat it if it was served but wouldn't order it off a menu. I wonder whether it has to do with being polite and a good guest or whether other underlying causes are at play

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I thought it seemed fairly clear that many wouldn't decline a dog meal *served* to them as guests in someone's home, but would not *voluntarily* order meat off a menu.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Not all that complicated, really.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think you might be trying to read too much into people's replies (or perhaps you just can't accept people's honest & often fairly expansive answers).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. I think I would, I'm a very curious person. I don't know why cats and dogs are so revered though, rabbits are also common pets but a lot of people eat them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: AngelSanctuary

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And pet tarantulas; why don't people eat them? I think we have a good case of specieism here.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    because it's a big, hairy spider. (shudder)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Gawd, I hate spiders.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      people do eat them - they are for sale in every market in cambodia, as snacks

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: thew

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes, I'm aware, but the response I wanted to elicit was from Sun. So if it is cute, we can't eat it, but if it's ugly or repulsive we can. Hmmmmm, people are animals too as mentioned above.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          No, I don't see myself eating spiders any day soon -- I'm okay with bunnies and lambies and Bambis on my plate, but jayzus, not a SPIDER.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: thew

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Really? I don't recall seeing any in siem reap or phnom penh, not that I was looking. How are they prepared? I personally don't see a lot of difference between eating a spider and, say, a lobster. I would try one if it looked and smelled delicious.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: hsk

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I saw them on bizarre food and I think no reservations as well... I believe they are deep fried

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: hsk

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              they seemed fried. i didn't eat one because the woman i was traveling with said if i did there would be no kissing. now she's gone, and i regret the choice

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. I wouldn't seek it out, but if protocol demanded it, I'd probably eat what I had to - I am not going to offend a host if they are gracing me at their table.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I am a carnivore, so its a bit hypocritical to look at a pig as tasty vittles and a dog as a companion, but its just how I see it. So no unless it was sort of expected. And I'd respect their cultural aspect of this - I am not going to pull a "I can't see how you eat that, you barbarian" act either..

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: grant.cook

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Grant, that is exactly the situation at my in-law's farm in S. Korea.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          But I will admit, that after months of eating C-rations in Nam, the idea of eating real cooked meat was appealing, even if it was dog. I did have a friend, a LURP, who got stranded on a mission. The ARVN thought he had been killed and ate his pet dog. When he showed up, boy was he pissed!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: grant.cook

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            you're an omnivore. not a carnivore

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. We (average Americans) don’t want to think of eating the flesh of animals which we consider to be “cute” or “smart” or "loving" to us, yet once it’s wrapped up in plastic in a Styrofoam tray in the grocery store, suddenly it’s not pig, cow, baby cow, any more, it’s pork, beef, veal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            “We” don’t’ care about chickens because they’re dumb and again, we don’t see chickens, we see legs, thighs, boneless skinless breasts with nothing to tie that piece of meat, to the animal it once was.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            “We” have no connection to the animals which we consume whatsoever. I personally have learned from being around friends farms that calves love to be scratched and petted and pigs are smart and if they still have their testicles they’re meaner than spit and chickens are funny to watch scratching and pecking and chasing each other away from food that isn’t there

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Those who own dogs, know the love and loyalty and companionship that a dog gives to a family and in return gets from the family, therefore the idea of eating something that is capable of giving us such pleasure and comfort is displeasing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            We (average Americans) are fortunate enough to be able to make that decision whether it is a conscious one or not.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            My step-father raised horses when he was young. He went into the Army at 17 and went off to WWII, as others have mentioned here, there were times where the soldiers had literally nothing to eat. He had no choice but to eat the flesh of an animal which he identified with as being loving, loyal, smart and beautiful, but it was eat horse-meat or starve, possibly die of starvation.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I won’t argue or cast dispersions on a person who tells me “I could never eat a dog”
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You can’t blame that person for being fortunate enough that they’ve never had to make that decision.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: cgarner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Aaaammmeeeennn! I'm very surprised how often the word "gross" is used on this food site.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              My turn: Twinkies, GROSS! Pop Tarts, GROSS! Big Macs, GROSS! Cool Ranch Doritos, GROSS! There, thanks, now I feel better.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm not even going on about SPAM.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                haha, i always tell my husband, I feel really bad for average Americans who will never get to and won't try to when given a chance to taste foods other than turkey sandwiches and meat loaf.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  THANK YOU!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  (for once not going on about spam)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. Absolutely. I was in ROK recently but the stall that served dog in a nearby market just didn't look very good. If Id' gotten those good chowhound vibes off a dog place would have been on it in a minute. Love dogs too, but more to the point, I wouldn't hesitate to miss a new experience. It makes no sense to confuse the two.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Probably would have made more of an effort to track it down but was busy with seven courses of horse sashimi and live sea eel with brains attached that continue to wiggle on the grill for a couple of minutes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. During both the 1988 Seoul and 2008 Beijing Olympics, the host cities banned restaurants from serving dog meat. I suppose the people from the Internation Olympic headquarters in Lausanne, Switzerland decided serving dog meat would offend the sensibilities of the average Olympic attendee.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And to think that, at one point a few years back, the Chinese were breeding St Bernards for consumption because that breed of dog yielded more meat. Wonder if that was even true, as I'd been to Beijing/Shanghai & other Chinese cities numerous times but never even heard of such a thing!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That's an interesting factoid. I thought Switzerland was the only European country that actually served dog meat, too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Dog meat is served in Switzerland? I'm glad I have never seen it on a menu there, I would look at my meal with a jaundiced eye.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. Probably not, unless I was in a setting where it would be considered offensive to not eat it! I do have a soft spot for all "cute" creatures, such as dogs, cats, guinea pigs, rabbits (though I did partake in rabbit meat recently...). I do think, however, that Americans tend to anthropomorphize all animals somewhat extremely and this just isn't the norm in other cultures. That is why dolphins are not eaten, or guinea pigs, or dogs, I suppose (and whales, if you discount the whole endangered-species bit).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. No, never. I believe eating dog is morally wrong.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: montrealeater

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          How is it morally wrong?? Its not as if dogs are becoming extinct

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: montrealeater

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            can you explain why it is more morally wrong than any other animal?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: thew

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The key word in my comment was "believe". I do personally believe it is morally wrong to eat dogs. To me, dogs are friends and I believe eating friends is wrong.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That is my boiled down comment on the subject, although we could go nuts with sidetracks here (eg. the starvation argument - I would eat dog AND human, probably, if starving, but I don't think I would/could kill either one, it'd have to be dead first, hopefully somewhere nice and cold to keep it fresh).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I don't think it's possible to argue people out of their moral stances, most of the time. It's clear from this thread that many do not agree that eating dog is morally wrong. I doubt I would be able to convince them otherwise, just as I know they would not be able to convince me otherwise. Logic doesn't make me believe that eating dog is wrong, my values/emotions etc. do.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: montrealeater

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                all morality is a matter of belief, as it not something one can know. it has no external referent.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                i was not trying to convince you out of your moral stance, i was asking to explain your belief to me. you belief it is different, morally, to kill a dog, than a cow. I do not understand the reasoning, so i asked. Not to convince you of anything, but to understand what you are saying more clearly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: thew

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thew, I was more replying in a general sense, not specifically to you (i.e. I realize you weren't trying to convince me of anything in your post) - this is a topic that can get very heated and I wanted to be clear about a)my beliefs and b)my acceptance of the fact that others either will or will not share them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  If you want me to explain why I think it is OK to eat a cow, and not a dog, refer to my statement on dogs being "friends". I consider dogs friends. I do not think it is right to eat friends. I do not consider cows or pigs friends. I'm not being facetious here, either, i really mean this, this is the real reason I won't eat dog.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  This is a topic it's hard for me to be 'objective' about - I can try to stand back, but I won't be very successful. Dogs and children I cannot be coldly logical about.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: montrealeater

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    How many dogs do you have to be friendly with before you can say dogs are your friends?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: montrealeater

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Come on guys, quit picking at montreal eater. You don’t have to logically justify a moral belief if 1) It doesn’t hurt anyone 2) You are not trying to impose it on other people. 3) You are not trying to claim the moral high ground

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: montrealeater

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The 'friends' argument is pure emotion because the question was not whether or not someone would eat their OWN dog, just dogmeat. It's perfectly fine that you would not eat dogmeat, I posted that I would not either. If you think it's somehow morally wrong to eat dogmeat but not morally wrong to eat the meat of some other animal, try explaining that to the steer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      John E., I have repeatedly said I am using emotion/belief and *not* logic to explain my position here. I have also consciously kept my statements personal. The fact that a belief isn't logical doesn't automatically make it "wrong". The question was not 'what is 2 + 2'. It is a question that is going to bring up strong emotions for many, on either side.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thank you RealMenJulienne, btw.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: montrealeater

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I did not write that you were wrong. I simply stated that your position was an emptional rwsponse as a set up to my statement to 'tell that to the steer'. (I even wrote that I thought it was perfectly fine that you would choose to not eat dogmeat).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. I'm Korean, haven't had a chance to try dog but I would!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. I'd have less issues with eating a dog, cat, guinea pig or horse that had a happy life, than with eating cow, pig or chicken that had a miserable life in one of the meat 'factories'.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I try very hard not to buy or eat meat that is not free -range / organic, and these days I actually get a bit queasy and nauseous when I look at the cheap supermarket meat knowing the conditions the animals had to endure.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  So yes, I would probably not go out of my way to find it, but if presented with it, I'd have no problems eating it IF I knew it had a good life before slaughter.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Klary

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Klary - back upthread I posted a response to someone who said something similiar. If this issue gets sticky with me at any point, it's here. It would get even stickier if you included that the slaughter would be humane/painless/instant/not foreknown by the dog. Then it might simply come down to who I like more. Pigs suffering bothers me. Chickens suffering bothers me A BIT, but not much. Fish suffering, hm, not really concerned. Dog's suffering makes me sick.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: montrealeater

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Did you see the movie about Temple Grandin? She came up with a humane way to bring cows to slaughter.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: pdxgastro

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yeah I did see that, it was fascinating and provoked what became an almost fistfight between my vegetarian sister and various others who were watching it with us. Anything that improves the lives and lessens the stress of animals destined for slaughter is a good thing, imo. The industry is so secretive, I remember wondering after watching that documentary, how many slaughterhouses, and where (N America? Europe? worldwide?) used her ideas?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. I ate my first bite of dog meat at age 10 in Kaohsiung, Taiwan, at a wedding reception. As a foreigner in the country, at times I simply had to take what was offered me, regardless of my personal feelings. That was also the day I first tried grilled chicken feet, pig offal, and several other culinary delights.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Dog meat wasn't bad, but certainly wasn't tasty enough to become a regular part of my diet. I cannot recall having eaten it since. Interestingly, in Taiwan it is often known by the euphemism, "fragrant meat".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. Dogs are mainly bought-up on a meat-based diet. The regular animals we use for eating (in the western world) are herbivores. I know pigs are omnivores but the pigs we generally eat are fed a herbivore based diet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I am not sure whether that really makes a difference but it seems weird it is like that. Perhaps we had an aversion to eating an animal that had potentially eaten human flesh.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Read some Ambrose Bierce (The Old Gringo who joined Zapata and was never seen again.). His vivid descriptions of Civil War battlefields at night and the dogs and pigs eating still conscious wounded soldiers is memorable. So turnabout is fair play.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                A couple of the ghost tours in Gettysburg talk about that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. No - not just for sentimental reasons (although I must admit that's part of it) - I don't think I'd want to knowingly eat any carnivorous animal. Cats, birds of prey, and primates are all off the menu; I think one of the reasons the taboo exists is because carnivorous animals may be more likely to harbour pathogens. Kind of like the thing with mercury levels in tuna, because it's eating lots of smaller fish. The fact that I wouldn't eat horses, on the other hand, is all about sentiment!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. are dogs animals just like all the other animals we eat?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Well, let's see, cows, pigs, and chickens aren't known for knowingly and willingly saving people's lives, even at their own risk, like dogs are. So in reality they're not the same. Hell, one dog, Balto, saved thousands of people because he did his job (brought medicine to remote area of Alaska)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            not to mention the intelligence aspect. Our family dog once listened in on my Mom on the phone, and when she said to her sister, "OK, we're coming over" WITHOUT doing any obvious "Let's go to AUNTIE'S house!" to Crystal (our dog), she already knew that they were going out and was excited and went to the garage.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm pretty sure a cow's intelligence never really goes above "walk over there, eat some grass". Especially since that makes sense, since evolutionarily speaking they don't need to be any smarter than that.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: peanuttree

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              And don't forget about Laika, the Russian space dog who knowingly and willingly flew Sputnik 2!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: peanuttree

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                you don't know much about cows. they are curious and in some cases quite intelligent animals, capable of learning.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                many dogs don't have the brains to get a towel off of their own head.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                a dog being used as a domestic pack animal, just happens to carry medicine. horses and bovines, oxen etc also are used in cartage and also carry people and lifesaving goods.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                every canine in the world is not an empathic lassie type who are "knowingly and willingly saving people's lives." people are attacked, injured and killed by vicious canines more often than by vicious cows, for example-- not that bulls, in particular, are not capable of being very dangerous. pigs are probably just as intelligent as dogs. geese are very intelligent, and exhibit problem solving abilities, including untying knots, which dogs can't do. yet humans eat pigs and geese.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: soupkitten

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  That dog didn't just happen to be a domestic pack animal. It carried the medicines by itself over a long trail all by itself, on it's own without human guidence!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  That is why it is revered.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: soupkitten

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    You and the next few comments miss the point.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It's NOT just it's training and breeding, and it OBVIOUSLY isn't. Dogs are known to attack a source of danger to help their humans, or knowingly save humans from danger (like saving from drowning). And even with the sled-pulling, I doubt the dogs have no sense of their purpose. Most dogs KNOW they are doing a job and LOVE to do it. They LIVE to do their job in which they fill there role. For example, Surely a hunting dog KNOWS that it's helping you hunt, for at the end of the day you eat the kill and give him some, there's no way he cn't smell that that is the very same bird he pointed and retrieved.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, dogs can be dangerous, but so can all animals. The fact that they can be so intelligent and helpful is the exception.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And I just straight-up doubt the claim that geese and pigs are similarly intelligent. Pigs I've heard can be especially intelligent, but I doubt it goes to the level of dogs, from what I've seen of dogs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    But there's also the point, made by Fibber McGee above, that dogs, however much comparative intelligence they have over other animals or not, have a SPECIAL ROLE to humans. Its not just tthat they're intelligent, it's that said intelligence is used to massively benefit humans. Sure, from a sheer "is it intelligent?" test to see if a creature can suffer that doesn't matter, but I think that aspect SHOULD matter. Just as much as I would dislike seeing those fun trained dolphins get eaten, or other animals that are special to humans, like horses. I think focusing just on whether the species in question is intelligent and therefore can suffer more is one-dimensional and may ultimately be faulty, in a world where humans to a large extent need to eat meat and protect their crops and buildings and towns.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: peanuttree

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Dogs save people's lives because we've bred and trained them to do so over tens of thousands of years, not because they have courage or any other human morality. It's the same thing as selectively breeding cattle to produce more marbling and chickens to have bigger breasts. Dogs may be more useful in lifesaving and guarding roles than they are as food, but there is nothing special about them in any moral sense.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: RealMenJulienne

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      You don't believe there is a difference between the role of a dog in a human's life and the role of a chicken in a human's life?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Morally, no, they're all animals bred is subservient roles. But that's a pretty cold, narrow way to base things.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: peanuttree

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        You're anthropomorphising your dog. It did not "comprehend" that your mother was going to her sister and thus it went to the garage. Dogs are simply much more sensitive in picking up behavior cues from other animals (including us humans) than we are able to detect. That's why you can have a person who is nervous around dogs simply standing still and not doing or saying anything (that we humans can tell) and a dog will still pick up on the person being nervous and react differently to them versus someone who is confident around dogs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        So while you didn't see anything obvious in your mother's behavior, the minute she decided to go out (and this can be to her sister's, the vet or the grocery store), she displayed some subtle behavior (be it body lanugage or voice tone etc) that indicated to the dog that your mother was going to leave the home territory and that is what the dog picked up on and responded to accordingly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. Two years ago, I might have said "Sure, why not?".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Then I met Tishka. She squeaks when she yawns first thing in the morning.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Now? No way.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. definately would have to travel east to try it, no one I suspect could make good dog in the USA...lol

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: dreamshak

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I too have mostly heard of people eating dog in the far east however my uncle has told a story about eating dogmeat in Nicaragua while he was in the navy during WWII.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. I would not eat a dog by choice but I would eat one by necessity. That is instinct and the will to survive.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. I would, probably, eat almost any non-toxic, fresh, edible, digestable plant or animal tissue at least once, if only out of curiosity and/or adventure. A thought I've had more than once is that one might develop a lucrative business selling tissues of animals that otherwise would be euthanized.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. 10-2-11: I have just read through all 289 posts to this thread and as a result am seriously considering vegetarianism. Ye gods. But in the spirit of communal bloodlust will contribute this: an older Japanese friend told us that in China he had been served live baby mice. The good part was to chopstick them into your mouth and hold them there, enjoying the squirming, before you chewed them up and swallowed them. At least you couldn't do that with your Schnauzer.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. Generally speaking I don't opt for meat from any carnivore unless it comes from the ocean. You can get vitamin A poisoning from eating the liver of most land carnivores. My father told me stories of his visits to the Phillipines as an international marketing manager where he'd see banquets with what looked like a 4 drumstick turkey. He chickened out - especially when he learned how the meal was prepared. They starve the quarry for almost a week and then let it eat rice. A dog that hungry will easily eat 20 lbs of rice. Then it is dispatched and put in to roast. The people will eat the animal as well as the rice it has ingested. I am not grossed out by the idea of eating a dog, though the cruelty aspect does disturb me. But I have no desire to taste a land carnivore at this point in my life except possibly for a snake. Since non indigenous large snakes are everywhere in Florida, eventually people will start eating them. A large burmese python would feed 20+ people. That I WOULD try - but not dogs. I'd have need it to survive before I'd take that step.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Cremon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It is also very common to beat the crap out of the dogs before butchering them. Some myths about this will make the dogs taste better.....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. How did I miss this important poll?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I can write on and on about my reasons, but ultimately, no.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I will not eat a dog, absolutely not. I think I will lose my self-respect and my soul if I ever eat a dog on purpose (a bit different if someone trick me into it).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. Perhaps I would eat a dog, but only in self-defense!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. Would I try dog? ok, why not?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Would I try horse? ok, why not?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Would I try rabbit, guinea pig, lamb, baby calf (veal) etc? ok, why not?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The point is that an animal is an animal and one's decision to eat/not eat a certain animal is usually based on that person's cultural reference points and whether one is anthropomorphizing that animal or not.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If you had dogs as pets all your lives, then you may have a hard time getting past your image of dogs as "family pet" and seeing them as "meat". A friend of mine grew up on a farm and had lambs as pets, so while he wouldn't eat lamb, he used to joke he would have no problems going to Korea and eating dog.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: SeoulQueen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "The point is that an animal is an animal and one's decision to eat/not eat a certain animal...."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Not all animals are the same. They are not the same from a biological point of view and they are not the same from an emotional view. A sponge is an animal, and an elephant is an animal;


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Just because I have no problem cutting a live sponge into pieces, it does not mean I can do the same to a live elephant. Vice versa, just because I refuse to hurt an elephant, it does not mean I have to refuse to hurt any animals.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Last I check, human beings are animals too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          What you may not understand is that this is a moral question which of moral value. It is a fundamental value question which is either very difficult or impossible to justify. One may ask: "Would I try to eat human? Why not?" There is no end to these types of "Why not" questions.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. Under no circumstances I would eat a dog no matter what country I am in. This has nothing to do with me being a vegetarian but I had dogs all my life. Just the thought of eating a dog makes me sick.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. I've had dog before. I'd probably eat it again if it were more delicious and legal/available. What I remember of it, it was like tough beef.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I don't really get what's the big deal. If you're willing to eat one animal, you should be willing to eat another. Same for different animal parts like offal.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. Doubtful. I am a dog lover, but I don't think I"m a crazy dog lover. I don't think dogs should be equated with humans. Quite frankly, humans are kind of sucky creatures, so anthropomorphizing animals doesn't give them a point in my favor. If a dog were starving, would it eat me? Probably. It's a dog. It's an animal. It's not going to sit around thinking about how loveable I am.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                But still, having had dogs as pets and been fond of many friends' and family dogs over the years, I would have trouble eating one. Even if it were farm-raised, I'd still wonder how it would taste.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm also a horse person and would have a hard time eating horse. I know what kind of meds nad chemicals we pump riding horses full of as well. I just can't imagine horse would be anything other than lean and tough.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                If I were starving, that would be a different story. Just out of curiosity, no.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. I like dogs and always kept them as pets. But I would try dog if i saw it on the menu. Welfare is the issue for me when it comes to what meat I would eat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. I believe the Chow was bred in China for food. As pets, Westerners have been trying to breed chows to be more sociable for about a century, but they're still considered a vicious and unreliable breed of dog (your insurance can go up if you own one), and they're not very active (so they fatten up easier?) I've never had a lot to do with chows, so I don't know if those descriptions are true.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      But, maybe eating a dog that was bred for food would be different than eating a dog bred to be a working dog or loving companion for people?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: AsperGirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Actually a Chow-chow is a breed with an aggressive a temperament for hunting dogs and watch dogs. It is one of the oldest breeds, and has very similar DNA as the wolves. I also don't believe Chow-chow is one of the easier dog breeds to get obesity. It can, but it is far from the top. It has a lot of hair..... which is not fat...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It is a very, very old breed, so maybe there were multiple purposes? I just did a google and found this on Wikipedia:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "The black tongued chow was also bred for human consumption" (Schwabe, Calwin W.: Unmentionable Cuisine, page 168. University of Virginia Press, 1979)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It also said they were used for hunting and protection.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "Chow" means food, btw ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: AsperGirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            :) I don't even know why it is called "Chow chow" -- considering its English name does not sound anything like its Chinese names, which would read like "Songshi Quan". Its Chinese name means hairy or puffy lion dog.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Cool, thank you for that info! It does look just like a puffy lion dog.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm not sure I would eat a dog, I was just throwing that history out. Chinese history, (and history of Chinese food) is fascinating subject, so I am interested in those details.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: AsperGirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I have been corresponding with a couple of people that live in China. With 1.3 BILLION people the Chinese have had a problem with getting enough food for decades if not centuries. When I tell them that I have deer in my backyard they want to know why no one has eaten the deer. A couple of days ago I saw a flock of 30-40 wild turkeys in a field about a quarter of a mile up the road. They want to see pictures of them to prove that I'm not telling them some far fetched story. They simply don't have many wild animals of any kind that are wandering around. Anything that can be cooked and swallowed is food! That includes dogs. A pet dog that gets loose and runs away is most likely soon going to be someone's dinner.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: dhmill

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Wow, we don't hear about that side of things. So sad for the pet dogs & wildlife.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: AsperGirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    They do have some wildlife. The Chinese are very pround of their Panda Bears. But there is not much other wildlife.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I have heard that the same situation is true for North Korea. No wildlife,no stray dogs nor stray cats. If it can be eaten it is no longer wandering around. I've heard that the people of North Korea are starving. They lack more than freedom. Ever notice that there are not very many fat people in China either.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: dhmill

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I heard the food situation is so bad that trees no longer have any bark on them (all eaten), and funerals have to be held in secret because graverobbing is so rampant.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: dhmill

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    They'd probably flip to hear that we have chickens and peacocks walking around the streets in my neighborhood.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I don't remember where I read it but the Chow is considered one of the least intelligent of all breeds of dogs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I know Chow chow is known to be difficult to train. It has been described with cat-like independent behavior. This could make the Chow appears dumber than it is.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I just looked it up, & supposedly "chow" is Cantonese for "cook" or "stir fry".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Also, from Wikipedia's "List of English words of Chinese origin": "Chow, from Chinese Pidgin English chowchow which means food, perhaps based on Cantonese 炒, lit. stir fry (cooking)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm thinking that if they call the dog "chow", that's a food word. If they call it "chowchow", that's a word for food, too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The below is from a forum wordorigins.org, on where the word "chow" came from:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The word in Chinese, roughly meaning “to stir-fry” or cook is “ch’au” pronounced as “chow.” “Ch’au-fan” means “fried rice.”
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    (How do I know?  I was a Chinese linguist for the Air Force.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    There's a whole thread on that http://www.wordorigins.org/index.php/...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Interesting. Thanks for the information. Yes, CHOW does sound like the Cantonese word for stir-fry.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It seems it was used a semi-Chinese English short phrase:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "'Chow', in the sense of food, is recorded from the mid-19th century. In Spirit of Age, 1856 we get this line:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "Ah Chow- ah in the Celestial lingo means Mr, Chow something good to eat.""


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      and "A chow is a breed of Chinese dog. The reputation that poor Chinese had for eating dogs has led to chow being thought of as a slang term for food."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That being said, poor Chinese don't eat dogs. Rich Chinese may get to eat dogs. It takes more energy to raise a dog for meat, th