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Somewhat off topic, I just took out my ice cream maker (after many years of non-use) to find it covered in a yuckie crust. I am assuming the freezable liquid in the base seeped out so I am going to get rid of it and buy another. Can one of you enthusiastic paletas makers recommend a good ice cream maker? I don't need the top of the line, just one that is reliable.

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  1. I have a canister style cuisinart ice cream maker and can't recommend it, alas. I think I bought it at a garage sale for a buck or something. I guess it's not awful, but it's just a pain to use. But, I'll bet someone on the cookware board can steer you in the right direction.

    ~TDQ

    1. Jeni from Jeni's Splendid Ice Creams recommend's the new Cusinart: http://www.amazon.com/Cuisinart-ICE-2... This is an update on the last model and works even better/faster. You can use the old canisters with it, though since your canister is leaking you won't.

      She says it works even batter than the $300+ models that are self-freezing, because they actually take longer to freeze with each successive batch.

      Btw, I am a HUGE proponent of her new book! http://www.amazon.com/Jenis-Splendid-...

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      1. re: Becca Porter

        Thanks Becca,

        I actually put that exact model on hold at William Sonoma, and I plan to pick it up later today. WS has a special version of this maker with an extra bowl for $69.95. Seems like a pretty good deal since Amazon lists it at $49.00 with only one bowl. Can't wait to make some ice cream this weekend. I just bookmarked 25 contender recipes on EYB.

        1. re: dkennedy

          Becca,

          I am hoping you can help me with clarifying one of Jeni's recipes. I am using a recipe of Jeni's included in ONE BIG TABLE on page 689. It is for her Awesome Dirt Road Ice Cream. I pulled all the ingredients and then reread the recipe and it doesn't clearly explain where and when to add the slurry back into the other ingredients. Do you know from working through her other recipes when I would logically do that?

          1. re: dkennedy

            Yes, generally you boil the milk/cream mixture for four minutes. Then you pour in the slurry while whisking off the heat. Then you add it back to the heat and boil one more minute whisking.

            1. re: Becca Porter

              Thanks Becca. I ran into a couple of problems with my first try but I muscled through and my batch is in the freezer now. If it isn't good, I am going to assume it was pilot error and try again later.

              I did add the cornstarch and return to heat but only briefly. i think i may have not given it enough time to get rid of the raw cornstarch taste. Additionally, I had a boil over issue so I am not sure the proportion of ingredients will be right. Thanks for your help. I am making a correction in my book so I don't run into this problem again.

              1. re: dkennedy

                Wow - that's a pretty major piece of info to leave out. I am too far into it now, having already combined all the chocolates. Seriously bad editing by
                molly or her peeps. I've had the book or a while but just took it out to try something - I'll note this as a serious mark against it.

                Will I miss the cornstarch much? I'm leaving it out.

                1. re: Dan S.

                  Yes you will miss the cornstarch as it is a key part to Jeni's recipes. The corn starch is not there for flavor but to help the home cook attain the creamy texture many homemade ice creams miss. the corn starch, when cooked to at least 95°C, will capture some of the moisture and thicken the ice cream base. As it binds up the moisture it leaves the base thicker and creamier tasting. As the base freezes the moisture that could create the larger ice crystals that typically cause that grainy homemade ice cream texture are bound up by the starch allowing for a much creamier ice cream.

        2. re: Becca Porter

          Quote: She says it works even batter than the $300+ models that are self-freezing, because they actually take longer to freeze with each successive batch.

          As if taking longer to freeze is a positive? How bizarre.

          1. re: rasputina

            I wasn't clear enough. The models with a compressor get hot with use. Therefore, it takes them longer to freeze each successive batch. Which is bad. So, she says you actually get better quality ice cream and ease of use with the Cusinart. It is supposed to freeze in under 20 minutes. (Make sure you freeze the canister for a full 18-24 hours if you freeze it from room temp.)

            1. re: Becca Porter

              But you can't effectively make successive batches in the cuisinart with one canister anyway. So the comparison seems moot.

              1. re: rasputina

                She was just saying that the ability to make successive batches in the expensive machines was flawed, and therefore not worth the cost. It is easy (and inexpensive) to buy another canister for the Cusinart if you need to make 2 batches at a time.

              2. re: Becca Porter

                If it freezes in under 20 minutes, why the need to freeze it for 24 hours?

                There aren't varying degrees of frozen.

                Frozen is frozen.

                1. re: NotJuliaChild

                  What?

                  The ice cream takes 20 minutes to freeze. The canister takes 18-24 hours to freeze.

                  Also, something that is -30 degrees is more frozen than something 30 degrees....right?

                2. re: Becca Porter

                  Can you keep the canisters in the freezer all the time, or does that mess up the material inside? Thanks.

                  1. re: ninrn

                    I believe you are supposed to keep the canisters in the freezer at all times. I am guessing that is why mine corroded. It has been in a cabinet on it's side for about 5 years!!!!
                    .

                    1. re: dkennedy

                      It's not that you are "supposed to" keep it in the freezer all the time; it's just that some people do that so that they can be prepared to make ice cream whenever the mood strikes them.

                      I have that type of machine (with the canister), which I bought about ten years ago, and I only use it for Passover, so I certainly don't leave it in the freezer all year. However, I leave it (upright) in its original box, and have had no problems with it when I take it out every Passover. Maybe something fell on yours in the cabinet, or it somehow got broken in some other way.

                      For the rest of the year, I bought an Italian one (Lello) with its own compressor (about $200 from Amazon), and I love that I don't have to leave anything in my already stuffed freezer. I haven't noticed that it takes longer for the ice cream to freeze, over the couple of years that I've had it. I don't know that I'd say the ice cream and sorbet that I make is superior to that made in the Cuisinart machines, but it is more convenient in terms of space, and I can make batch after batch. While it is inexpensive to buy a second canister for the Cuisinart maker, that would be even worse in terms of space in my freezer, so for me the $200 was worth it. Those who have larger freezers or second freezers might not be as tight on space as I, in my small NY kitchen.

                      1. re: queenscook

                        I am embarrassed to tell you I have 3 freezers..... but at least I have solar power so I am offsetting this absurdity. I have tried to empty the third but it just seems to get refilled. Gulp!

                        1. re: dkennedy

                          Don't tell anyone, but I have 3 freezers too! One in each refrigerator (2) and one a freestanding freezer. All are full!

            2. I have the Cuisinart one with the freezable base. Honestly the ice cream is so much better in my White Mountain ice cream maker ( I have the electric one). IMO it's because the canister is metal and the dasher is cast iron so they get really cold and it freezes much better. I'd love one of those nice Italian jobs but I haven't convinced myself to fork over the $$$

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              1. re: rasputina

                You must go through a lot of ice and rock salt with that puppy. :-)

                I had read elsewhere that the quality (creaminess) is much better when made in a hand-crank (or electric crank) ice cream maker but to be honest I don't have the freezer space to store a lot of ice, nor the arm and back strength to be hauling bags of rock salt.

                We have a Cuisnart ICE20 which was bought about 8 years ago. Having just one canister works fine because we're only 2 people and frankly if it made more than a quart or so at a time we would weigh a lot more than we do, LOL! If there were more in the family I might invest in a spare freezer bowl in case I wanted to make a double batch.

                1. re: skyline

                  Becca, Skyline, and Rasputina,

                  Thank you for all your thoughtful input. I just got home with my new Cusinart ice cream maker. I am going to put the bowls in the freezer overnight and by tomorrow night, if all goes as planned, my family will enjoy homemade ice cream after dinner. I have narrowed down my potential recipes to 25 recipes I tabbed on EYB. I bought milk and cream so I am good to go.

                  1. re: dkennedy

                    Yay! Do try one of Jeni's recipes when you get the chance. I have been making ice cream for years, and these are by far the best I've found!

                    http://www.thekitchn.com/thekitchn/bo...

                      1. re: dkennedy

                        You should know, Jeni eschews the use of eggs in making ice cream, and instead uses cornstarch as a thickener.

                        1. re: Jay F

                          OK, now I may need to buy her book. I hate egg or custard based ice creams, so knowing her ice cream book is egg free, I will take a look. This is very exciting news. Thanks Jay!

                          1. re: Jay F

                            Thanks for posting that, I had looked at her book a few weeks ago and was considering it. After the posts here it's obvious she and I have differing views on ice cream quality. Saved me some money at least.

                            1. re: rasputina

                              Same here. I've never liked eating cornstarch as a thickener. I was shocked once when I saw Jeni's $10 pints at the store, then shocked all over again when I read about the cornstarch.

                              1. re: Jay F

                                Yeah...I don't mind corstarch as a binder in some food items, but it's definitely not something I'd want in my ice cream.
                                Good ice cream shouldn't need to use any kind of starchy 'thickeners'.

                                1. re: The Professor

                                  I have to say that I agree and I've never objected to eggs -- either whole eggs or egg yolks.

                                  1. re: rainey

                                    I can't imagine anyone's hating egg yolks in ice cream. It seems kind of like hating them in homemade pasta. OTOH, I hate them in any kind of boiled eggs.

                                    1. re: Jay F

                                      For me, they overpower the other flavors. I like a cleaner, lighter flavor in my ice cream.

                                      1. re: dkennedy

                                        Exactly. Even Pierre Herme prefers his chocolate ice cream without eggs because of the way they interfere with the taste.

                                        1. re: Becca Porter

                                          And if Pierre Herme likes it without eggs, how dare I, a mere mortal, like something different?

                                        2. re: dkennedy

                                          I can't actually say whether I prefer a "cleaner, lighter flavor." I've never made ice cream before that didn't start with a custard base. I feel compelled to try it, but I no longer have an ice cream machine, and I'm not likely to get one, as I've been rasslin' with being pre-diabetic.

                                          This is one of those areas, I am learning, where not everyone does something exactly the way I do.

                                          1. re: Jay F

                                            No, I totally get that ice cream preferences vary widely person to person. It just gets me riled up that so many people seem to form strong opinions about the cornstarch, cream cheese, milk reduction method without actually trying the ice cream!

                                            I have made ice cream regularly for about a decade now: custard based, Phili style, sorbet's, fro yos, and now these using Jeni's book... I, personally, found Jeni's to be heads and shoulders above all the others. It is so good that I find myself extremely passionate about it, and I just want everyone to try it. I am sorry if I come across any other way.

                                            1. re: Becca Porter

                                              I've known since I started cooking on my own that I dislike cornstarch in nearly everything, from Chinese velveting to blueberry pie. And the only place for cream cheese in my life is between a slice of smoked salmon and a bagel. So just knowing I'd have to use those things to make ice cream a la Jeni was enough to make me move on from her book.

                                              It's not like I don't already know how to make custard, and hey, there's always David Lebovitz.

                                              A friend and I bought a couple of pints of Jeni's ice cream last year sometime. One flavor was chocolate, the other, I don't remember. While I remember preferring the chocolate, I didn't find either flavor extraordinary in any way except for how much it cost.

                          2. re: Becca Porter

                            I just got that book from my local library to see what it's like. There are a couple things about it that put me off more than a little. First, every recipe except for 2 or 3 (a couple sorbets and the Milk Chocolate ice cream) require a couple tb of cream cheese as an ingredient. We very rarely use that, and when a baking recipe requires it we use neufchatel instead. Don't know if neufchatel would give the same results in ice cream.

                            I also take issue with her method of pouring hot/boiling liquids into a plastic bag for chilling. I never put a hot liquid into any plastic! I am surprised that she doesn't even offer the sensible alternative (which would be to chill the hot mixture in the fridge instead of pouring it into plastic and then plopping said plastic into ice cubes... I can almost envision those plastic chemicals leaching out into the mixture as I type this, LOL) which might be less convenient or time saving but is certainly less toxic. Why not chill a stainless or even glass bowl while the mixture is on the stove, pour the boiled liquid into that, and then place in the fridge?

                            Basically this book establishes just one single basic recipe and method and then adds various ingredients to it as "tweaks". The only creative thing about it is some of the combinations which people might not have thought of. Well, that and the "unusual" use of plastic bags in the process. If you don't mind having cream cheese, cornstarch, and corn syrup in your ice cream, why not just borrow the book from your local library, copy the basic recipe and method, and invent your own ice cream flavors?

                            From the entire book, there were only 4 recipes that I will bother trying: the Watermelon Lemonade Sorbet (no cheese), the Milk Chocolate ice cream (no cheese), the Vanilla Bean ice cream, and the Honeyed Peanut Ice Cream with Chocolate Freckles. We'll use neufchatel in place of the cream cheese in the last two.

                            1. re: skyline

                              Here is her reasoning behind the cream cheese: "Many ice cream recipes call for egg yolks, which thicken cream by binding water when heated. However, milk naturally contains the essential proteins necessary to bind water and fat and add body to the ice cream, and these proteins do a better job than egg proteins do.....A small lump of cream cheese, which is high in casein proteins helps bind the ingredients and gives the ice cream body."

                              I love it, because I really dislike eggs in ice cream for several reasons. I admit I do skip the plastic bag. I just use a bowl, and whisk it occasionally during the ice bath.

                              I am curious why cream cheese is a problem when milk and cream are not? Have you tried/eaten one of the ice creams yet?

                              For what it's worth (though I do not have a problem with corn starch/corn syrup) she actually uses tapioca starch/tapioca syrup. She went with the other because it is easier to find. Jeni is big on quality local ingredients. She uses top quality stuff. These are not scary chemicals people. Perfectly normal ingredients.

                              1. re: Becca Porter

                                Oh, I don't use eggs in frozen desserts either. I just think it's unusual, especially since people usually keep eggs on hand but might not do the same for cream cheese. IMHO the "light" cream cheeses are trash.. more chemicals than natural ingredients.. and so neufchatel seems to be a logical alternative, giving a slight reduction in fat without all the crap that is put into "light" cheeses.

                                My main beef with this book, other than that it really is just a collection of variations on one single base, is that she doesn't even acknowledge that any "tweaks" are possible either to her methods or her ingredients, other than the nod to tapioca starch and syrup. Yes, one could argue that anyone who is concerned about fats should not even be picking up an ice-cream recipe book, LOL, but IMHO that doesn't mean the author shouldn't even mention lower-fat alternatives.

                                Then again, it may be that I am just put off by books that tend to throw around current trendy catch-phrases like "artisanal". To me that's a yellow flag that suggests the author tends to have a fairly pretentious view of his/herself. I mean, come on: "Artisanal" ice creams? WTH is "artisanal" about using the same basic recipe and then just adding various combos of ingredients to it? That's "artisanal"? Really??
                                IMHO it's just someone who has come up with a bunch of different variations on single theme.

                                And btw, part of the official definition of "artisanal" is "made by hand" (i.e., "made by hand by a skilled craftsman"). Thus to be truly "artisanal", the ice creams in this book should be made in a hand-crank machine, not an electric one, LOL.

                                Sorry, I tend to get snarky about people who throw pop-culture words and labels around willy-nilly. :-)

                                1. re: Becca Porter

                                  We've now tried 2 of the Jeni's recipes. The first was the Honeyed Peanut Butter w/Chocolate Freckles, substituting neufchatel cheese for the full fat cream cheese. Not crazy about the mouthfeel at all, and I swear that I could taste the tang of the cheese as an undertone -- which sounds impossible given the amount of the other ingredients as compared to the 2 tb of cheese in the recipe, but I definitely detected it. My other half also commented on the mouthfeel being unusual, saying it felt "almost weirdly slippery".

                                  We thought that perhaps the presence of the peanut butter was throwing our impressions off too much, so decided to make a batch of the vanilla bean, using Tonga beans which we have on hand rather than the Ugandan ones in her recipe. Neither of us were impressed by the vanilla either, and the mouthfeel was again just too slick for our liking.

                                  We also noticed that both ice creams ripened oddly in the freezer. After 4 hours they were both still too soft (not much firmer than soft-serve) but after 6 hours both became extremely hard. On the other hand, the recipes in the owners manual that came with our Cuisinart ICE20 keep a perfectly scoopable consistency throughout their freezer life and have a classic texture/mouthfeel.

                                  1. re: skyline

                                    Interesting. I am going to try my first Jeni recipe today. It does not call for cream cheese so it will be interesting to see if it makes any difference. I am glad to hear that the recipes included in the Cusinart manual are reliable.

                                2. re: skyline

                                  @skyline: Ugh. Cream cheese and corn syrup, too?

                                  @Becca: Sour + guar gum = Gross me out the door. I don't even eat cheesecake.

                            2. re: skyline

                              Well I'm all about the quality of my food so it's no big deal.

                            3. re: rasputina

                              AMEN to the superiority of ice/brine-type freezers!

                              I have a 30 year old small Waring ice cream maker that operates on the same principle with a tray or so of ice cubes, regular table salt and the large open dasher that the frozen bowl thingies lack.

                              I buy every one that I can find on eBay for replacement parts but, in truth, the only part I've yet replaced is the plastic top of the canister.

                            4. I love my Cuisinart, a gift in the form of a hint ("Psssst -- learn to make ice cream") from my wife and child. Just made peach last week -- heavenly.

                              1. FWIW I couldn't pass up one of these similar little Cuisinarts when I found it in my local Costco for 30 bucks! This model actually says CIM-22RPC; the R I believe is for the red color of this one as it was different on the white, and it may well be a Costco-specifc model number, not sure. The main thing different from the ICE-21 seems to be the design of the on/off switch.

                                At $30 this seemed to be a steal and I've enjoyed a couple batches. I started with the very simple vanilla recipe in the manual, which is if I remember right 2 cups heavy cream, 1 cup whole milk, 3/4 cup sugar and 1-2 teaspoons vanilla. Churns for about 20 minutes. I added in some Heath chips I found in the baking aisle. Pretty good (though for real Heath Bar effect should also have some chocolate). I found that after about 20 minutes it was starting to spill out over the edge and get onto the clear cover too much, so I stop there. It's a little soft-serve-like in consistency at that point. Not bad, but maybe not what you want. After a couple more hours in the freezer it starts to get similar consistency of a typical store-bought ice cream.

                                One thing that I've found tricky around here is getting heavy cream that doesn't have carrageenan in it. If I wanted carrageenan I would just buy cheap ice cream at the store. ;-) Still, the first batch even with the carrageenan was not horrible. Second time I had made it to Whole Foods and found some unadulterated heavy cream from grass-fed cows. Erm, it wasn't that noticeable a difference, but I still feel better. ;-) I was able to find an unadulterated, organic half and half. Read a review I think on Amazon that said they just used that. It would be less cream than the original recipe, but I'm going to try it once next time and see. These already taste so good, I can't imagine using Jeni's tricks like cornstarch, cream cheese or whatever. They carry her pints in the store now at 10 bucks, and I remember in the Salty Caramel it has tapioca starch or something. Among whatever else. Ah, well. I'll get a cone of Jeni's when I go to Columbus. Otherwise I probably won't be buying those pints.

                                There are just two of us in the house so having the one freeze bowl is enough, plus I don't think I would want two taking up my freezer space. So far, so good. Still has a Cuisinart 3-year warranty too. So the worst thing is having yet another gadget to take up kitchen space. ;-)

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                                1. re: CrazyOne

                                  Same here: All brands of heavy cream list the usual suspects (mono- and diglycerides, polysorbate 80, and carrageenan). I often make the strawberry ice cream recipe that's in the Cuisinart "manual" and it has been just fine. Whole Foods is a half hours drive each way (assuming no traffic whatsoever, aka a minor miracle) and so between that and the budget, it's not a place we can afford (either time or $wise) to patronize on a regular basis, much as I'd like to. As for other natural alternatives there are only 2 Trader Joes within an 80 mile radius (one is right across the road from the Whole Foods, which is downright weird) but frankly I never liked that store. Not only because both are small -- at best perhaps 25% the size of Whole Foods which means a very limited selection -- and dumpy, but I simply don't trust "house brand" foods which can be wildly inconsistent in quality depending on the house's chosen supplier at any given time. I never could understand what so many people see in that store. Of course it could be that TJs are larger, better stocked, and more appealing in other parts of the USA, I suppose, though you'd think that a major metro suburban area such as ours would have the "better" stores rather than the other way around. Go figure.

                                  1. re: skyline

                                    OK, I am totally confused. My cream is by Strauss Family Farm - it lists no ingredients so I have to assume that the only ingredient is cream, right? Wouldn't they have to list it for it contained carrageenan etc? Even the milk I picked up, which was Alta Dena brand lists only milk and vitamin D3.

                                    1. re: dkennedy

                                      I would guess that somewhere on the package it would just say "Ingredients: Cream" then. The other stuff I mentioned is stabilizers and yes it would need to be on the ingredient list. AFAIK, the FDA requires all packaged products to list their ingredients, even if there is only one ingredient in it.

                                      1. re: skyline

                                        OK, I am going to go on their website and see if I am missing something.

                                        1. re: dkennedy

                                          Looked at my bottle of cream in the light of day and could now see the list of ingredients listed as only containing pasteurized organic cream.

                                      2. re: dkennedy

                                        I'm sure it's easier to find non-adulterated cream in some parts of the country than others, or with certain store chains or just types of stores available in your area. It's just that mine here (Pittsburgh PA area) doesn't usually quite cut it. There's still one store I haven't checked that may have some. Otherwise only Whole Foods (and maybe Trader Joe's, just as inconvenient though for me) have something that works.

                                        Creams that do have something in it always do list the ingredients. FWIW, if the container is labeled Heavy Whipping Cream it's somewhat more likely to have added ingredients, but in our major local grocery chain they have store-branded containers labeled separately as Heavy Cream and one as Whipping Cream. But they both contain carrageenan!

                                        Milk, on the other hand, is still typically just milk. But watch out for wacko stuff in the skim or 1% levels; there's a new fad of making thing such as "skim milk that tastes like whole milk" which of course requires added ingredients. Ugh.

                                        BTW I tried my half and half experiment and I can tell the difference; the ice cream is not nearly as good. The flavor is still good, I suppose; it's just not as good a creamy texture and feel. I'm not especially surprised; obviously there is less cream and more milk this way. I guess I was just hoping I wouldn't notice which is apparently true of some other people. ;-) Sigh. So I'll eat this batch anyway, but gonna have to make a trip to WF to get some more cream. I just can't bear the idea of making ice cream at home with the carrageenan-laced cream. ;-)

                                  2. We got a White Mountain 6 qt ice cream maker last year. I usually make 3 flavors at a time. I'll make the ice cream base ahead of time and keep in the fridge. Then make one flavor, put it in Tupperware container, pour the salt/ice mixture in my igloo cooler, clean out the can and dashers, put the next ice cream mixture in, pour the salt/ice brine back in the ice cream maker, and do the same for the next batch of ice cream, always replenishing the ice and salt as needed.

                                    1. The Musso Lussino is my weapon of choice.

                                      But then, I make ALOT of ice cream.

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                                      1. re: ipsedixit

                                        Clearly that is the way to go ipsedixit but since my last ice cream maker caked over from non-use I am going to try out the $69.00 model before upgrading to the $699.00 model. But I'd love to hear your go to recipe for ice cream. Is it egg based?

                                        1. re: dkennedy

                                          Yup, my basic technique is to use a traditional custard based ice cream mix and then go from there. Experiment, experiment, experiment and then experiment some more ...

                                          1. re: dkennedy

                                            Have now read everything out their on Strauss Family Farms and am convinced there is nothing else in my cream but cream. I buy my dairy from Whole Foods or, less frequently, The Co-Op - both are pretty choosey about what they put on their shelves. I have settled on two recipes for my first batches of ice cream:

                                            http://www.ice-cream-recipes.com/ice_...
                                            http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/ev...

                                            Both are for chocolate chip ice cream. One uses ricotta. Just not sure I want to go through the added step of making homemade ricotta. I plan on hand chopping bittersweet chocolate and roasted almonds into the base just before serving. Will post about my results soon.

                                            Again, thanks to all of you for sharing your knowledge with me.

                                            1. re: dkennedy

                                              I have the Kitchenaid ice cream maker attachment for my stand mixer and have turned out some great ice cream and sorbet. This morning I'm making sour cream strawberry ice cream from David Lebovitz' "The Perfect Scoop". Lebovitz' book is very informative and offers some very good recipes - the sour cream strawberry and the chocolate sorbet are pretty popular around here. I also use the Kitchenaid to make sorbets when there's an over abundance of fruit in the house - citrus in the winter, apricot last month, etc. Freezer space for the bowl is the big problem with this and many other ice cream makers - I have a standing freezer with plenty of space in this house, a luxury that I haven't had in the past.

                                              1. re: dkennedy

                                                Well, that was fast! Made the ricotta based ice cream recipe (Giada's). Verdict: great flavor balance, texture was off. Will try the cream - milk based ice cream later today and see.

                                                New question: after I wash out the bowl the ice cream was made in, how long til i can refreeze it? it keeps icing over before I can get it dry. Do I have to allow it to thaw out completely, dry it, and then put it back in the freezer?

                                                1. re: dkennedy

                                                  Funnily enough, I just pulled my copy of One Big Table out and Jeni's Awesome Dirt Road Ice Cream is laid out on page 689. I will give it a try and then I'll be in a position to address the concern of adding cornstarch to ice cream. I am also planning on trying a Strawberry Balsamic Ice Cream recipe set out in Tasty. Jim Dodge (I love Jim Dodge!) offers several custard based ice cream recipes which only call for 2 egg yolks. I might be able to live with this compromise so I will probably try one of these next.

                                                  1. re: dkennedy

                                                    Update on Giada's recipe: froze the remainder and I have to say the texture improved considerably. I think if I made it again with homemade ricotta it would be fantastic.

                                            2. Just out of curiosity I tried to find out if any ice cream makers utilize a bowl with a stainless steel interior and/or a stainless paddle/churn. Apparantly the only one is the $700 Lello Musso Lussino. That was quite the eye opener. Another surprise was that the bowl of that model is non-removeable! You can only "wash with a wet cloth". Offputting to say the least. I can't think of any other appliance in which you can't remove the ingredients bowl to wash it. I'm sure there is some reason it's made non-removeable but IMHO the inability to give any mixing bowl a good scrubbing gives me the willies, LOL.

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                                              1. re: skyline

                                                My White Mountain ice cream maker has a stainless steel canister and a cast iron dasher.

                                                1. re: rasputina

                                                  rasputina, just curious, how old is your White Mountain? Because I checked the reviews on Amazon and there are a disconcerting number of them complaining about quality, i.e. things like motor burnout fairly quickly, leaks, etc etc. MANY comments about the newer/current White Mountains being very poor quality compared to the old models. The smaller (4 qt) model seems to be getting the worst reviews: 16 one-star (motor complaints, mostly) compared to 25 five-star -- not a good ratio. I see that the majority of bad reviews were written last year and this year, so it may well be that their quality control has gone seriously down the tubes recently.

                                                  1. re: skyline

                                                    Actually, I bought it a little over a year ago from Amazon and I have the 4 quart. I read the bad reviews too and bought it anyway figuring I could return it if I wanted to. But I love it. It's far superior to the Cusinart one I was using IMO. Sure the Cuisinart is simpler to use because it just requires a frozen bowl and no ice or salt. But I'm all about the quality of the end product.

                                              2. I am not sure how I have missed this thread! I have the Kitchen Aid attachment for making ice cream, and like it very much. I have been using The Perfect Scoop, but at the the many recommendations I have heard, I just order Jeni's Splendid Ice Cream.

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                                                1. re: Jane917

                                                  how do you like the perfect scoop?

                                                  1. re: dkennedy

                                                    The one advantage to not participating in this month's COTM selection is that it has given me time to cook out of a lot of neglected cookbooks. Today I made the strawberry balsamic ice cream base out of TASTY (my first recipe I am making out of this book). I'll report how it comes out tomorrow. I am sorry to say my Dirt Road Ice Cream was a bust. Again, I am attributing it to pilot error. So far two attempts and two failures. But I am not discouraged.

                                                    As if I needed a sign to keep at it, I got an email today with a link to 20 ice cream recipes. Thought some of you would enjoy the link:

                                                    http://www.thekitchn.com/

                                                    Next recipe on my list of "to try" will be an expresso chocolate chip - inspired by a recipe in The Perfect Scoop.

                                                    1. re: dkennedy

                                                      I made the Ugandan Vanilla Ice Cream from Jeni's Splendid Ice Cream. Heavenly! Of course, I did not have any Ugandan vanilla on hand, but used vanilla paste.

                                                      1. re: Jane917

                                                        I've had my White Mountain 6 qt for over a year now. One time while making a triple batch of ice cream the motor stopped. I waited for about 10 minutes and apparently the it has some kind of heat sensor that cuts the motor off. I plugged it back in and started up like a champ and I've not had anymore trouble from it, even making multiple batches of ice cream

                                                2. I have a "Deni" ice cream maker that I got for $40 at Target, largely because I had a gift card to blow. It works ok- the dasher doesn't quite clean the bowl, and I have to scrape it with a hand scraper a few times. These machines are so simple, I wonder how much difference there can be, though a metal dasher would likely be noticeably different. It includes a little chopping mechanism that sits on the top that you can use to add chocolate, nuts and the like at the end of the churning- haven't tried it yet.
                                                  Y'all convinced me to give the Jeni method a try- I made the salty caramel ice cream. It is quite good, though has by no means persuaded me away from egg custards as a base. I didn't think that the recipe was very well written; it is clearly a reduction of a larger recipe, which often causes problems for 1 quart makers; some procedures are just clumsy in small amounts. This one started out by whisking 1/2 tsp. salt into 3 Tb cream cheese, which tends to leave a lot on the whisk and didn't seem to serve any purpose- there were plenty of other places in the procedure where the salt could be added more easily, and the cheese ended up having a quart of boiling liquid poured over it , which made softening seem rather gratuitous. There was another step where cold cream was added to hot caramel; I eventually got the caramel dissolved, but again this just didn't seem like a good way to do it. I try to make a policy, when doing someone else's recipe for the first time, to follow it as exactly as possible, but pouring it into a baggie to cool was just too weird, and seemed unlikely to be any faster than the standard bowl method, and I didn't try it.

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                                                  1. re: oldunc

                                                    No, I have found that whisking it really is the only way to prevent small lumps. (Which is the reason you whisk the cream cheese, not to incorporate the salt.) It is also totally necessary to let the cream cheese sit out for at least an hour before whisking otherwise it all hangs up in the whisk.

                                                    Also, nearly every caramel recipe I have ever used had you pour cold cream into hot caramel. It works fine as long as you do it carefully and a bit slowly.

                                                    1. re: Becca Porter

                                                      I'll take your word on the cream cheese; it would have annoyed me less if I'd read the recipe more carefully before starting and realized I was going need it in a large bowl- as it was listed as a preliminary step, I think it would have been nice to mention that at the beginning. As far as the caramel, maybe, I rarely use it, but I was pretty careful. It's the kind of thing that would be a lot easier to do on a larger scale, and there seemed no particular reason the cream had to be cold, just how the timing of the recipe worked out. This ice cream was actually too sweet for me, but I'll certainly give some more of her recipes a try.

                                                  2. If you don't mind freezing your bowl overnight before you make ice cream, the Cuisinart ICE-30 is, in my opinion, the best ice cream machine to get you started.

                                                    If you have been making ice cream for a while and want to upgrade to a machie with an in-built compressor, the Breville BCI600XL or the Cuisinart ICE-100 make excellent ice cream that is dense, smooth, and extremely creamy. I would probably go for the Cuisinart over the Breville simply because the Breville is harder to empty once it has churned a batch.

                                                    http://icecreamscience.com/breville-b...

                                                    If money is no option, then the king of ice cream makers with an in-built compressor is the Lello Musso Pola 5030. It churns a 1000g batch in 13 minutes, which is the fastest I have churned.

                                                    http://icecreamscience.com/lello-muss...

                                                    Hope that helps.

                                                    Ruben

                                                     
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                                                    1. re: RubenPorto

                                                      So Ruben, have you personally tried both of the makers, Cuisinart and Breville? Just wondering. Especially posting in an almost 3 year old thread.

                                                      1. re: rexster314

                                                        Yes Rex I have tried both the Cuisinart and Breville. People still read, and respond to, 3-year-old threads.

                                                      2. re: RubenPorto

                                                        Actually if money is not an issue, I would get an Emery Thompson CB-200 (or the larger 6-quart CB-350). They make the best ice cream machines but they're in a different class from the ones normally used at home.

                                                        1. re: calumin

                                                          I agree with Calumin on the Emery Thompson CB-200. If money isn't an issue, the Emery Thompson machines are the kings of the ice cream world.

                                                      3. Are there any types of icecream makers that have bowls made of something other than aluminum?

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                                                        1. re: Cecilmcg

                                                          The Lello 5030 and 4080 have non-removable bowls constructed from stainless steel. I don't know of any domestic machines with removable bowls made out of something other than aluminium.

                                                          1. re: RubenPorto

                                                            Alas,,, those are out of my price range....