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Kiva's $6.00 bagel

lyndak Aug 11, 2011 04:30 AM

I've read many good reviews on Kiva's. Since I drive by there every morning on my way to work today I decided to skip breakfast at home and have a famous bagel from Kiva's for breakfast.

I ordered a "thin" bagel toasted, no butter and a slice of swiss cheese. I was absolutely shocked that they were going to charge me $5.99 for a bagel with one slice of cheese. With taxes that brought it close to $7.00!!!!!

I just couldn't do it so I cancelled my order.

Is the bagel worth the $6.00+ they are charging??

*sigh* - I really wanted to like this place.

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    Vinnie Vidimangi RE: lyndak Aug 11, 2011 06:03 AM

    The Kiva bagel is well on the road to assimilation .

    "Toasted" and "bagel" don't go together.

    No bagel is worth $6.00 unless it is one similar to the ones that used to be made, in which case it is priceless.

    I respect you for your strength of character.

    What do you think of Puasteri's and McEwan's grocery stores?

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      Yongeman RE: Vinnie Vidimangi Aug 11, 2011 07:48 AM

      Kiva's bagels are very similar to Bagel World's, but why $6.00? That's crazy! I think a buttered Bagel World twister is $2.00.
      I agree with you, VV, on the toasted bagel comment, with the exception of Montreal-style bagels. Because of the sugar content in the bagel, there can be a real benefit to toasting them, especially when they are more than a few hours old. It does change the bagel 'experience', but it's good nevertheless.

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        julesrules RE: Yongeman Aug 11, 2011 08:38 AM

        Love toasted Montreal bagels. Yeah they are perfect untoasted right off the conveyor at 3am on a cold winter night... but in most other circumstances, I toast.

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          Vinnie Vidimangi RE: Yongeman Aug 12, 2011 07:13 AM

          A Montreal bagel is good as bait for carp. Toasting it ruins it.
          VVM

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            magic RE: Vinnie Vidimangi Aug 12, 2011 07:23 AM

            Ruins it?!

            Are you silly, man?

            Toasting it takes it to another level of glory.

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              justsayn RE: magic Aug 12, 2011 07:26 AM

              Yes, HE is very silly. Thought you would know that by now.....

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                magic RE: justsayn Aug 12, 2011 07:27 AM

                I actually love his posts, but anti-toasting ...... if he's serious about that...... I dunno, what can I say. ;)

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                Vinnie Vidimangi RE: magic Aug 12, 2011 10:08 AM

                Boychik ( I assume) , "glory hole" does not refer to a bagel.

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                  magic RE: Vinnie Vidimangi Aug 12, 2011 10:28 AM

                  Yet they are glorious nonetheless.

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                    julesrules RE: Vinnie Vidimangi Aug 12, 2011 10:55 AM

                    haha

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              lyndak RE: Vinnie Vidimangi Aug 11, 2011 07:51 AM

              I actually have no qualms spending money on good food. I do shop at Pusateri's and McEwan's because they offer different types of food that are not always available at other food stores. I have no problem paying through the nose for a triple A steak that tastes like a triple A steak. Although I didn't have a Kiva's bagel, I'm confident that it really doesn't taste much different than a bagel from Druxy's (apologies up front to all the bagel connoiseurs out there, I'm obviously not up on my bagel etiquette ;)).

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                magic RE: lyndak Aug 11, 2011 07:58 AM

                Haha, Kivas tasting like a factory-made bagel?!

                Oh man......

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                  justsayn RE: magic Aug 11, 2011 08:01 AM

                  She didn't say it tasted like a factory bagel as she never had the chance to eat the Kiva bagel because of that crazy prize.

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                    magic RE: justsayn Aug 11, 2011 08:12 AM

                    The implication was that lyndak, although not having tried Kiva’s, assumed their bagel (which is beauitifully handmade) was similar to a Druxy's bagel, which I'm assuming are supplied by Canada Bread or some other national company.

                    Which I'm sure most would argue is kooky talk.

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                      justsayn RE: magic Aug 11, 2011 08:20 AM

                      of course it isn't actually true....but she doesnt yet know that.

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                        magic RE: justsayn Aug 11, 2011 08:23 AM

                        :)

                        Try one of the less expensive bagels lyndak. I'm sure you'll find it's better than whatever is found at Druxy's.

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                          julesrules RE: magic Aug 11, 2011 08:36 AM

                          What are the less expensive bagels? Why would a thin bagel with one slice of cheese cost so much? I would have done the same as the OP - that's just a shocking price.

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                            justsayn RE: julesrules Aug 11, 2011 09:08 AM

                            Yea I don't get how it could be that price either. I think there may be a missing detail or a mistake was made at the counter...

                            Yesterday I went to try the hot table at Massimos on Queen W beside Ravis. I ordered a meatball sandwich. The guy cut 3 small meatballs in half, added two spoons of sauce with no toppings available. He asked for $7.00. When I asked how 3 small meatballs could be $7.00 he said, OK give me $5.00 then. I paid him 5 and the sauce and the meatballs were super super tasty! Too much bun by ratio and a lack of toppings to make it more substantial keeps me from going back, but it tasted GREAT!

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                              magic RE: julesrules Aug 11, 2011 10:05 AM

                              I mean, just buy the bagels! Don't get anything on them.

                              You think this is bad..... go to Bagel House and see what you pay for 1 slice of smoked salmon on a bagel.

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                                julesrules RE: magic Aug 11, 2011 10:15 AM

                                Yeah I get the markup and all. I never eat smoked salmon out of the house and $2 for cream cheese at a lot of places always puts me off too. But I would never expect to be charged $5.99 for what the OP describes. $4 would have me grumbling unhappily. Is this normal for Kiva? I need to know... oh wait I don't, I'm never in that area :)

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                                  magic RE: julesrules Aug 11, 2011 10:29 AM

                                  Kiva's is a bit expensive yeah, and I would never pay that amount for a bagel with cheese.

                                  But I won't come down to hard on Kiva's cuz although they can be slightly pricey you definitely get good stuff there and in most cases the price is worth it.

              2. kwass RE: lyndak Aug 11, 2011 07:25 AM

                I think that Kiva's Bagels are the best in the city. But no bagel is worth $7

                1. Crispier Crouton RE: lyndak Aug 11, 2011 09:05 AM

                  It's like any other bagel place. Once they slice it in half for you and put something on it, the price goes up 500%. You're going from paying for retail to paying for service.

                  Just buy a half dozen bagels if you're interesting in trying them, and add your own cheese.

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                    magic RE: Crispier Crouton Aug 11, 2011 10:03 AM

                    Agreed.

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                      erly RE: magic Aug 11, 2011 10:46 AM

                      I don't think $6.00 is too high for a sandwich, and since you canceled the order you didn't see the amount of Cheese that would have comprised your Sandwich.
                      I would bet that it would have been several slices .
                      So this was not the price of the flat Twister Bagel.
                      They are my favorite Bagels (twisters)
                      Possibly buy a few as noted above and put your own slice of cheese on them.

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                        julesrules RE: erly Aug 11, 2011 06:07 PM

                        She did say one slice of cheese, which is all I want to. But I know some places are really inflexible and charge for a cheese 'sandwich' anyway, or a 'veggie sandwich' if you want tomato & cucumber. I guess they think peope are trying to hack their menus, but this kind of inflexible pricing / forced supersizing frustrates me... It makes me understand why people like Tim Horton's... sometimes all I want is a truly small-sized coffee and a snack-sized portion of cheese.

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                    peppermint pate RE: lyndak Aug 11, 2011 10:40 AM

                    According to their online menu, a regular bagel with Swiss is $3.99 for takeout, which doesn't sound out of line compared to other places. It's an extra .75 for a twister and $1.25 for a flat bagel (are the flat bagels supersized like twisters?). If you're sitting in the restaurant, it's $5.99 for a twister (and presumably a flat bagel) - so I'm guessing you were in the restaurant?

                    So I agree, the price is still high but on the assumption you were seated in the restaurant and the bagel is large like a twister, I don't find the pricing quite as crazy as I did when I first read your post and thought that was the price for a regular sized takeaway sandwich. And of course, it's always cheaper if you assemble your own at home but you can say that for anything in a restaurant (which makes me think most people thought you were talking about takeout).

                    With that said, I've only been to the midtown Kiva location a couple of times - thought the bagels were good but I lean towards a Bagel House Montrealish bagel myself (toasted unless warm from the oven).

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                      lyndak RE: peppermint pate Aug 11, 2011 11:11 AM

                      Oh no, I wasn't seated and I asked for it to go. I was at what I thought was the bakery part. From what I observed people in the restaurant were being cashed out at a different cashier.

                      I agree if you're occupying a table and being served I could somehow swallow that price, but for take out really??

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                        peppermint pate RE: lyndak Aug 11, 2011 11:22 AM

                        Hmm, then it sounds like maybe they made a mistake? Or I suppose the online menu could be wrong but my guess is it was a mistake. But even if the right price is $5.24, and assuming a twister sized bun, it's still high for takeout. By comparison, looking up Bagel House's online menu (I really should be working...sigh), they charge $2.75 for a bagel (admittedly smaller than a regular Kiva bagel) with Swiss and probably about $1.00 more to sub a twister.

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                      Steph_Kirby RE: lyndak Aug 11, 2011 06:02 PM

                      Not sure if you were looking for a bagel recommendation or just needed to kvetch about Kiva's, but my favourite bagel in the City is Gryfe's hot from the oven. Melt in your mouth delicious. Look for the hole in the wall on Bathurst, north of Lawrence, west side.

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                        Vinnie Vidimangi RE: Steph_Kirby Aug 11, 2011 07:03 PM

                        Ahem! Since when is a bagel supposed to melt in your mouth?

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                          taterbrandy RE: Steph_Kirby Aug 11, 2011 07:22 PM

                          Gryfe's is on the EAST side of Bathurst.

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                            Vinnie Vidimangi RE: taterbrandy Aug 11, 2011 07:26 PM

                            Whaddya expect? This guy doesn't know the difference between a bagel and a cake. Leave him alone!

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                              juno RE: Vinnie Vidimangi Aug 12, 2011 08:13 AM

                              A most entertaining thread, somewhat akin to several standup comics on one stage, all topping each other in succession. Kindly keep it up. We're in the dog days of August and could use all the laughs we can get. Alas, I have no bagel intelligence to add, having never been to Kiva's - where friends tell me the prices are rather stiff for a bagel joint - though I'm tempted to drive up there to see the $5.99 (plus tax) takeout bagel with cheese for myself. Mind, I usually get no further north in a bagel search than Bagel Plus, at Bathurst and Sheppard. In my view, bagels are best eaten as soon as they're out of the oven, as someone above has intimated, in which case there's little point toasting them. But if you must toast a stale bagel, Montreal-style bagels toast up much better than Toronto-style bagels.

                              Sorry for the intrusion. I'll now give the stage back to the standup bagel mavens.

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                                dogseatfree RE: juno Aug 12, 2011 09:33 AM

                                The only bagel I've ever eaten in my life has been from costco or other cheap supermarkets. I work at bathurst eglinton and drive by bagel world /bagel house/what a bagel almost everyday. This thread has inspired me to try a few out to see what these are all about! I will report back

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                          Pincus RE: lyndak Aug 12, 2011 08:31 AM

                          For that price, for that bagel, I'd also like an authenticated provenance of each of the bagel ingredients, signed in front of me by the manager. And a recommendation of a fine wine to pair with it.

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                            foodyDudey RE: Pincus Aug 12, 2011 10:58 AM

                            With a Kiva's bagel I'd recommend a 2010 Mogen David Concord if the bagel is untoasted, and the Blackberry if it's a toasted bagel.

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