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Alificass Aug 5, 2011 01:06 PM

I've been getting some flak for eating raw celery and button mushrooms.
Something about psoralens and hydrazines.
Seems pretty minor to me.
Most everyone eats these vegetables raw anyway.
Anybody have a good refutation?

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    escondido123 RE: Alificass Aug 5, 2011 01:53 PM

    Guess we better contact all those country clubs still serving celery with cream cheese as their appetizer.

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      Harters RE: Alificass Aug 5, 2011 02:50 PM

      No need of a good refutation for me - your post is the only mention I've heard that there might be problem. Until my government's food standards agency raises a serious issue, I'm going to be continuing to eat raw celery and mushrooms (both are which are far better like that than cooked)

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        ediblover RE: Alificass Aug 5, 2011 03:23 PM

        The compounds are dangerous. The raw foods do contain them. If you enjoy them, do continue to eat them. Whomever is giving you flak, ask them this simple question: In what concentration are the toxins a risk for me? I doubt you'll get an answer.

        Every food has something that can kill you. It's not a question of whether or not something can be dangerous, but at what amount/concentration they become dangerous. I doubt you're eating enough raw celery and mushrooms to be significantly affected.

        You can have a little fun with this. You can pick out a food that the person warning you likes and point out the potential dangers it has (and I guarantee that it has some).

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          sunshine842 RE: ediblover Aug 8, 2011 04:47 AM

          dig up a toxicity report on water, tape something over the header so they can't read what substance it is, and stand back.

          This was an exercise in a seminar I took years ago about reading MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheets) when I worked for a chemical company...not only is it a little unnerving, but gives you a whole new perspective on such things.

        2. ROCKLES RE: Alificass Aug 5, 2011 03:27 PM

          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29...

          also, though I lost the link, regarding the mushrooms..pubmed.gov states that even at maximum doses, when tested on rats, hydrazine was not found to be carcinogens and should be reevaluated:
          " A similar study carried out in mice revealed no macroscopic evidence of a carcinogenic effect of hydrazine (histology currently in preparation). According to these results, hydrazine is only weakly carcinogenic even after lifelong ingestion of unequivocally toxic doses. The classification of hydrazine as a "carcinogen" should therefore be re-evaluated."

          1. MsDiPesto RE: Alificass Aug 6, 2011 08:10 PM

            I like raw celery, but I scrub it good and then peel it to get the strings off.

            1. trolley RE: Alificass Aug 6, 2011 08:30 PM

              does organic or non-organic have anything to do with this? i only ask b/c my husband has been eating a tremendous amount of organic celery as of late...

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                Alificass RE: trolley Aug 7, 2011 09:00 AM

                No, not just organic. I suspect it's just a generalized fearfulness and a dislike of raw foods.

              2. Veggo RE: Alificass Aug 6, 2011 08:43 PM

                My fear of raw celery has to do with biting down on a stalk and then the strands I fail to shear with my teeth vibrate my brain like Charlie Daniels' fiddle as I pull the stalk away. It's terrifying, worse than fingernails on a chalkboard.

                I am fine with mirepoix and celery soup.

                As to raw mushrooms, you can't find a decent peyote button anywhere anymore, so it doesn't matter.

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                  linguafood RE: Veggo Aug 7, 2011 09:35 AM

                  They grow all over PA, Veggo '-)

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                    Veggo RE: linguafood Aug 7, 2011 09:50 AM

                    When you were at Penn State....

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                      linguafood RE: Veggo Aug 7, 2011 09:58 AM

                      I am.

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                    kerosundae RE: Veggo Aug 8, 2011 01:28 AM

                    I totally agree about the vibration!! UGGHHHHH! but if you just pre-break and string them, then it's fine.

                  3. GraceW RE: Alificass Aug 7, 2011 10:19 PM

                    I eat raw mushrooms everyday. Not dead yet.

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                      Altarbo RE: Alificass Aug 8, 2011 01:14 AM

                      All apples have deadly toxins . . .

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