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NFNS 7/31 with spoilers

At last Whitney says her goodbyes, very pretty lady but without a TV personality.

I am liking Jeff more and more.

But do they have to do a program based on that which they have pushed on us so far? Why does Jeff have to do a sandwich show or could they change it to something else? They seem to have chosen a persona and I am not sure that pre-choosing is such a great idea.

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  1. i don't think a sandwich show is that bad an idea. but marybeth grates on me more and more each week - and i frankly didn't know that was possible.

    was glad susie did well. i still want to eat her food the most.

    thought it was interesting they killed vic vegas. since a bunch of us hated it too.

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    1. re: AMFM

      Mary Beth really, really drives me nuts. Her 2 minute Best Food I Ever Ate made me cringe. It seemed so very very fake. Ugh.

      Did you notice Judge Suzie's sort of head nod/nonverbal approval of the "my dad picked cherries for 12 hours" line from Contestant Susie. I read it as, "Oh wonderful! Angst! She has a 'woe is me' story!!" Ugh.

      I can't imagine watching a sandwich show.

      1. re: debbiel

        I hear you on Mary Beth. Not sure why, but she really grates on me. There seems to be a level of insincerity.

        1. re: DiningDiva

          I actually had some sympathy for Mary Beth this week...the judges basically told her that a cooking show isn't supposed to be about teaching. I would think that telling viewers that ducks shouldn't be cooked like chickens, and explaining why, would be a good thing. But oh no, there's no STORY...it's boring and "pedantic".

          Not saying I'd watch Mary Beth, but FFS--a cooking show that taught stuff about cooking would seem to be appropriate on the FOOD network.

          1. re: coney with everything

            <the judges basically told her that a cooking show isn't supposed to be about teaching. I would think that telling viewers that ducks shouldn't be cooked like chickens, and explaining why, would be a good thing. But oh no, there's no STORY...it's boring and "pedantic". > Isn't that why they got rid of Sara Moulton, David Rosengarten, et al? even Mario was actually teaching the hows and whys.... remember they are "WAAAAY more than cooking" now. (rolling eyes)

            1. re: coney with everything

              You forgot Alton Brown. Food teacher extraordinaire.

              1. re: pdxgastro

                Yes, you can teach interestingly or boringly. Mary Beth is no Alton, and I hope she is the next to leave.

                1. re: babette feasts

                  She reminds of an artificial sweetener. I am not particularly impressed with her. I like Susie and Vic. Jeff isn't real to me either. Vic needs a lot of work, and I don't know about his food chops, but I like his personality.

                  1. re: kprange

                    Regardless of who wins, Jeff will get a show because he's shown he knows how to interact with people and the camera.

                    1. re: chicgail

                      Agree, but I bet they'll tweak his Sandwich King schtick to something else, maybe a traveling show to find Best Sandwiches in America or something. I don't find him all that appealing, but just my opinion (too OTT for me).

                      1. re: pine time

                        I agree with you as well. It's Guy Fieri-kinda thing. It looks all show biz schtick to me, but apparently that kind of thing sells. And let's face it: it's the Food Network, but it's not really about food over there, it's about ratings.

                        1. re: pine time

                          jeff is so corporate chef. uggh. schmoozy, bureaucratic, annoying. . . obviously, i am not the intended audience.

            2. I didn't fall asleep like I did last week. I thought they underutilized their guest performers. I could have done without Gottfried, I find him annoying. A few weeks ago I said this show was Vic's to lose. It looks like I was right because he has lost. I don't think he has anything to offer that I wish to watch. I would like to learn how to cook Susie's food. Jeff seems to be a natural, so if it isn't sandwiches, FN will find something for him to do. So, I predict Susie will win and Jeff gets a show on the Cooking Channel.

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              1. re: John E.

                "So, I predict Susie will win and Jeff gets a show on the Cooking Channel."

                I think that's probably a pretty good bet, John.

                1. re: debbiel

                  I think we will see more of Susie, Vic and Jeff, regardless of who wins.

                  And to answer a previous poster's question, they're not obligated to produce the exact concept of the show pitched by the contestant.

                  1. re: debbiel

                    I think Susie and Jeff will be the last 2 with Vic in 3rd place. But I think Jeff gets the win and Susie gets the show on the Cooking Channel.

                    1. re: DiningDiva

                      I agree that Susie will get a Cooking Channel spot and that one of the guys will get the win -- Jeff will win if he doesn't make a major mistake in the final stretch. It will be Vic if Jeff messes up. I think the judges want a guy this year.

                      1. re: DiningDiva

                        I think this is more likely. I suspect that Jeff's future lies in a non-cooking show, while Susie seems more suited to a cooking show which these days is more likely to happen over on the cooking channel.

                        1. re: jgg13

                          "I think this is more likely. I suspect that Jeff's future lies in a non-cooking show" along the lines of The Ultimate Sandwich Search.

                    2. re: John E.

                      I've never seen Gilbert so restrained ,that must have pre-medicated him.

                      1. re: John E.

                        What was with the woman guest who didn't say much?They kept showing her face looking like she was thinking something negative. It was sort of ominous.

                        1. re: Shrinkrap

                          I thought that was odd as well. Wondered what that was about. Don't recall her name and did not recognize her as any sort of standout comic. Guess she did not say anything sufficiently notable to survive editing, since all we got were those looks of displeasure.

                            1. re: foodiefan6

                              I felt like she was being like her character on Parks & Recreation, very dry and half pissed all the time.

                        2. I'm beginning to think Bob Tuschman is a master velvet razor.

                          Did you see how he basically told Whitney that she is indeed a soulless zombie just like Gilbert Gottfried said only with a sticky sweet smile on his face and in such as way as to completely distance himself from the opinion?

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                          1. re: inaplasticcup

                            His crooked smirk gives me the creeps.

                          2. When the bottom two were identified by the judges as one who could talk about food and one who was great at cooking food, I knew the better cook would be on the losing end. On-camera skills always trump cooking skills on this program!

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                            1. re: foodiefan6

                              Of course, it's all about presentation. I remember once attending a quiz evening for parents at my daughters' elementary school. We had a BBC news presenter on our table and I thought we'd win easily she must have great general knowledge but she didn't know diddley squat. She was a news reader not an analyst.

                              1. re: smartie

                                Whitney, Justin B. & Penny may be great cooks, but would you watch any of them on a TV show? I'd love to have them cook for me, but as far as watching them on a weekly TV show, no thank you.

                                Great skills in one field does not necessarily correlate to great TV presence, with the prime example being star athletes trying to make the jump into broadcasting.

                                1. re: josquared

                                  I might watch Whitney if she had a show. Not everyone has to be over-the-top perky or cartoonish to relate well on camera. Look at Ina. I think Whitney, with additional development, could be of that mold.

                                  1. re: foodiefan6

                                    It's not really perkiness I want from Whitney, and definitely not cartoonishness (and that goes from almost any host) - she just comes off as wooden. There's something that Ina has that Whitney does not, though that could be a matter of simple inexperience and youth.

                                    I do agree - give Whitney a few years, and she could probably pull off a teaching-type cooking show that will would be fine with many.

                                  2. re: josquared

                                    Yes, I would watch Justin B. I would like to learn stuff, looking at - and admiring - the food and dishes created, with the info delivered in a quiet, steady way such as Justin B would have done. His recollections of childhood memories or his uncle's car accident or whatever not needed. Keep the camera on the food and on him as appropriate when he's explaining something. I am presuming that he generally cooks better than what he came up with right at the end, of course.

                                    p.s. I haven't watched this episode, and only saw (almost by accident) half of the previous one. This show has become almost unwatchable for me with the "TV-reality"/"who-cares-about-the-food-itself"/theatrics/"I-wanna-FEEEEL-with-you" sensibilities desired by TPTB. Ditto much of what is on FN. Reading this thread is really enough info for me wrt this show at this point.

                                    1. re: huiray

                                      I like to learn stuff too, and I cringe when the schmaltz and similar appear as well.

                                      However, if I had a teacher/professor of pretty much any subject, cooking or otherwise, that taught things in that same monotone drone that Justin B. sported, I'd be either falling asleep and/or having my mind wander pretty darn quickly unless my interest in said subject overrode any (lack of) presentation skills.

                                      In a teaching cooking show regard, I'd much prefer Whitney - she seems to know her stuff as well as Justin B., seems much more well spoken, and her enthusiasm for cooking comes through. Not to say Justin B. isn't enthusiastic about his cooking, but I felt that his enthusiasm never translated to his speaking opportunities well, if at all.

                                      1. re: josquared

                                        My feeling with Justin B was that he was too guarded to let himself show and that gives you a wooden personality. I thought he might be a fun guy when he's hanging out w/ his friends and having a beer. I agree that Whitney does come off as more personable than Justin and at least tried to change and wasn't arrogant about it.

                                        1. re: josquared

                                          Diff'rent strokes etc.
                                          I found Justin B to be fine and personally preferable over Whitney, so far as I remember her from the earlier episodes.

                                            1. re: rozz01

                                              I think chowser put it perfectly for me - the only hint of enthusiasm I got out of Justin B. was when he expressed shock that it was him leaving. My first thought then was "where the heck was this guy during the competition?"

                                              And I'm not one who needs overbearing enthusiasm - a little dab would've gone a long way for him I do believe.

                                              But people have different preferences I agree.

                                2. Well, no surprise really - Whitney really struck me as a slightly more lively Justin B. on the female side who was more consistent with her cooking.

                                  Why did Bobby Flay have them do their "Best Thing" segments and give input immediately afterward with EVERYONE there? That would seem to give the later contestants an edge, though some didn't take it (e.g. Vic)

                                  The only way Marybeth stays longer is if she is a beneficiary of the Chris factor i.e. someone really really screws up majorly.

                                  Out of the remaining three, I say Jeff gets a show regardless of where he finishes. I think they can be flexible with his sandwich idea and do a combo him cooking up sandwiches and going out to places that make/have something to do with the history of sandwiches, but I'm still not terribly intrigued by the whole idea. I'm sure he can do something else as well depending on things.

                                  Susie probably gets a show either on FN (if she wins) or CC, unless she majorly retrogrades this week.

                                  Vic? Eh, I dunno - if he doesn't start clarifying his viewpoint this week and/or if he leaves next week, I don't know if the execs will take a chance on him. He still struggles with camera presence more often than not.