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soupnazi Jul 15, 2011 09:35 PM

i cant wait for a real bagel coming to the bay area next week

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  1. pilinut RE: soupnazi Jul 15, 2011 10:36 PM

    Thanks for the link, I am awaiting those bagels with baited breath. . .

    1. Robert Lauriston RE: soupnazi Jul 16, 2011 11:42 AM

      "Spot Bagel won’t have any local shops. Rather, starting the second or third week of July, its baked-daily bagels will be in self-service bins at some local markets: Bi-Rite, Real Foods, Canyon Market and Good Life Grocery in San Francisco; both Berkeley Bowls; and Earthbeam Natural Foods in Burlingame. They also will be served at a few local eateries, and sold at two farmers markets (the Ferry Building in S.F. and Temescal in Oakland)."

      Berkeley Bowl
      2020 Oregon St, Berkeley, CA 94703

      Good Life Grocery
      1524 20th St, San Francisco, CA

      Canyon Market
      2815 Diamond Street, San Francisco, CA

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      1. re: Robert Lauriston
        ChowFun_derek RE: Robert Lauriston Jul 17, 2011 04:34 PM

        ..and one of them will be the "Duboce Park Cafe" on Duboce and Sanchez..my local b'fast haunt! I spoke with Rachel the owner and they are coming...I assume her "Dolores Park Cafe"
        ' and new branch on Portrero (don't know if it's open yet or what it's called) will have them as well..

      2. soupçon RE: soupnazi Jul 16, 2011 12:13 PM

        Since the author of that article seems to think H&H Bagels are laudatory, I'd take his opinion of Spot bagels with a grain of salt. Baking onions INTO the dough? The Horror! And I'll bet the plain "yosemite" bagel name was inspired by the Contemporary Jewish Museum's Yo! Semite tee shirts.

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        1. re: soupçon
          wolfe RE: soupçon Jul 16, 2011 12:19 PM

          Or maybe Yosemite Sam.

          1. re: soupçon
            Windy RE: soupçon Jul 16, 2011 12:19 PM

            The pumpernickel bagels of legend (NY in the late 60s) did have bits of onions in the dough. Not that that sounds like what Spot is aiming for.

            Even Ess-A sells blueberry bagels.

          2. Robert Lauriston RE: soupnazi Jul 16, 2011 12:31 PM

            The plain "Yosemite" is named after the water they boil them in. The focus on flavors is troubling, but it seems like it's worth a try. Pieced together from their unorganized Facebook page:

            We make your bagels using a time honored, eight-step artisan production process. You get delicious flavor and texture in each bite.

            1. Fresh local ingredients ... only organic flour and fresh local herbs and produce

            2. Mixing: We use the patent-pending Sancassiano Hydra Mixer to mix and knead our dough. Designed for better gluten devlopment and low hydration, these mixers make the best bagels while using less energy. This ensures you get the tastiest bagel possible and that we minimize our carbon footprint.

            3. Dividing & Forming

            4. Proofing

            5. Aging: Like a fine wine that matures with age, so do true artisan bagels. After our bagels are proofed (risen) we place them in our ager at 38 degrees for 8 to 16 hours. This is a similar process to a Sourdough or Levain and develops better flavor in the dough.

            6. Boiling: We boil our bagels in a specialized 50 gallon stainless steel kettle filled with water from Yosemite & The Sierra (brought to us through Hetch Hetchy). The unique boiling Bay Area water produces a crispy crust and chewy center in every bite.

            7. Boarding & Topping: Each bagel is gently placed on a “bagel-board” and is then covered on both sides with fresh local toppings. You get organic, real flavors in every bite (not dehydrated or sulfur-laden toppings like some other bagel companies).

            8. Baking

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            1. re: Robert Lauriston
              soupçon RE: Robert Lauriston Jul 16, 2011 10:34 PM

              "water from Yosemite & The Sierra (brought to us through Hetch Hetchy)"

              That's what comes out of my kitchen faucet.

              1. re: soupçon
                drewskiSF RE: soupçon Jul 17, 2011 09:19 AM

                you should start a bagelry ;-)

            2. BernalKC RE: soupnazi Jul 16, 2011 02:44 PM

              Has anyone tried the H&H bagels at Crossroads cafe? Can't imagine that air freighted bagels are a good idea, I prefer to snatch them fresh out of the oven, but I'm curious.

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              1. re: BernalKC
                Windy RE: BernalKC Jul 16, 2011 02:59 PM

                They're fine. Bagels freeze well, like any bread.

                1. re: BernalKC
                  Robert Lauriston RE: BernalKC Jul 16, 2011 03:14 PM

                  If you toast them, air-freighted or frozen are fine, if you don't, only fresh will do.

                  Bagel Hole beat H&H in a blind tasting.


                  1. re: Robert Lauriston
                    stacyc RE: Robert Lauriston Jul 17, 2011 10:23 AM

                    As an aside, I read that same article when it came out, called Bagel Hole and the guys there were more than happy to ship out a couple of dozen bagels every so often. They were exactly the bagels I had been hoping for -- dense, the right size (i.e., not super sized), made the right way (boiled then baked). The flavor shined because there was a little sweetness and a little salt flavor but not too much of either, just not flat like the bagels I've had in Vancouver.

                    1. re: stacyc
                      Windy RE: stacyc Jul 17, 2011 10:28 AM

                      Here's the tasting that article is based on. And basically, it demonstrates that a bagel that's a few hours old loses all its oomph.


                  2. re: BernalKC
                    wolfe RE: BernalKC Jul 16, 2011 03:22 PM

                    Real bagels ship well. The ones my mother sent via Fleet Post Office started in Detroit and arrived within the week where I got them in Da Nang and toasted them, still good. Not sure how the not completely baked things that pass for bagels around here would do in similar circumstances.

                    1. re: wolfe
                      soupçon RE: wolfe Jul 16, 2011 10:39 PM

                      They may have passes through my hands. I worked at the APO/FPO San Francisco facility at 390 Main St. from 1965-67. Bagels were probably the one thing we couldn't break.

                    2. re: BernalKC
                      soupçon RE: BernalKC Jul 16, 2011 10:16 PM

                      For what it's worth, here's Josh Ozersky's take on H&H bagels and the state of bagels in New York generally. I think he pretty much nails it. I'm old enough (70) to remember what New York bagels used to be.


                      1. re: soupçon
                        ML8000 RE: soupçon Jul 16, 2011 10:53 PM

                        That sounds like House of Bagels...15 years ago. Eat them that day fresh or use it as a paper weight or throw it through a window. Any way...as a 4th gen Californian from the other shore that's as close as I get.

                      2. re: BernalKC
                        sugartoof RE: BernalKC Jul 16, 2011 10:50 PM

                        H & H was shut down.

                        House of Bagels has a lot of similarities to H & H style (the slightly undercooked middle comes to mind), and while not the best bagel you've ever had, they're not bad, and sometimes they're good enough to spark a nice memory of how bagels used to taste. Mind you, New York's bagel scene has been given an infusion with the introduction of Canadian bagels.

                        1. re: sugartoof
                          Melanie Wong RE: sugartoof Jul 17, 2011 09:39 PM

                          Just the Upper West Side retail store shut down, H & H bagels are still available thru other channels.

                          1. re: Melanie Wong
                            sugartoof RE: Melanie Wong Jul 17, 2011 10:51 PM

                            When people speak of H & H they're almost always talking about the location that closed.

                            Maybe they'll still be able to produce and ship at least.

                            1. re: sugartoof
                              Melanie Wong RE: sugartoof Jul 17, 2011 11:18 PM

                              H & H has a big wholesale operation that supplies places like SF's Crossroads, which was the subject of BernalKC's question. I posted about the H&H bagels at Crossroads a few years ago.

                              Crossroads Cafe
                              699 Delancey St, San Francisco, CA 94107

                              1. re: Melanie Wong
                                Windy RE: Melanie Wong Jul 17, 2011 11:58 PM

                                They do, but the reason for closing their retail store wasn't poor sales or a rent increase, it's half a million dollars in unpaid taxes by the owner. Presumably he's trying to sell the wholesale operation, if anyone would trust his books (unlikely, given the circumstances).

                                From the NYTimes:
                                In November 2009, Mr. Toro faced state tax charges. He was accused of pocketing almost $370,000 in payroll withholding taxes owed to state and federal authorities from 2003 to 2009. In May 2010, he pleaded guilty to grand larceny in the case. He was sentence to spend 50 weekends in jail and pay more than $500,000 in restitution.

                                1. re: Windy
                                  jman1 RE: Windy Jul 18, 2011 12:24 AM

                                  Wow, was the biggest bagel baker in NY not Jewish. I just always assumed, but this article implies that Mr. Toro was not. Very NY/American.


                                  And, H&H stands for Helmer Toro and Hector Hernandez. Learn something new every day.

                                  1. re: jman1
                                    soupçon RE: jman1 Jul 18, 2011 08:45 AM

                                    According to this New York Times golden oldie, some of the best bagels in New York are made by Thais. http://is.gd/hB40Gz

                                2. re: Melanie Wong
                                  sugartoof RE: Melanie Wong Jul 18, 2011 01:40 AM

                                  The city seized the business, and NY Times was reporting the Hells Kitchen factory stopped answering phones, so who knows how long they'll ship....Even so, the wholesale product was never considered as reputable.

                                  Maybe Crossroads could still stock H & H bagels from the East Side business (same name, unrelated business, thicker bagels).

                          2. re: BernalKC
                            majordanby RE: BernalKC Jul 17, 2011 01:15 PM

                            anyone have montreal bagels shipped to them?

                            1. re: BernalKC
                              jman1 RE: BernalKC Jul 17, 2011 10:06 PM

                              Years ago, I was told that they brought in the bagels un-baked and baked them in house. Is that not correct?

                              They are pretty good (as compared to what is locally available in SF).

                              Their website says:

                              H&H Bagels, "the world's best bagel" are flown in from New York and bakedoff daily by us.

                              Not exactly sure what bakedoff means.


                              1. re: jman1
                                ML8000 RE: jman1 Jul 17, 2011 10:35 PM

                                My guess is bakedoff means the bagels are mixed, rolled, proofed, boiled but not baked until baked/finished locally. It addresses the 20 minute window of edibility described above by at least giving you 20 minutes.

                            2. Windy RE: soupnazi Jul 17, 2011 10:14 AM

                              Based on the flavors on the website, it would be unwise to go in expecting traditional NY bagels.

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                              1. re: Windy
                                sugartoof RE: Windy Jul 17, 2011 11:31 AM

                                What ever could it be about a sweet corn & blueberry, or Frida Kahlo themed bagel, that would give you that idea?

                                1. re: Windy
                                  abstractpoet RE: Windy Jul 17, 2011 11:37 AM

                                  I find the overarching theme of the website - i.e. that a traditional bagel is "boring" - pretty off-putting. I have much higher hopes for Beauty's Bagels.

                                  Beauty's Bagel Shop
                                  3838 Telegraph, Oakland, CA

                                  1. re: abstractpoet
                                    Robert Lauriston RE: abstractpoet Jul 17, 2011 11:55 AM

                                    It sounds like they're doing everything right as regards the plain bagels. If they tart them up to please a wider market, that's irrelevant to me.

                                    I don't see that the Web site has a theme. The content is just piped in from their Facebook, Twitter, and Blogspot accounts, so is basically random.

                                    Beauty's will be making Montreal-style bagels, which are a completely different thing.

                                    1. re: Robert Lauriston
                                      sugartoof RE: Robert Lauriston Jul 17, 2011 12:18 PM

                                      Canadian bagels are typically smaller and sweeter, but they're pretty close to traditional, properly made bagels, and something you should be getting from a House of Bagels, or H & H with subtle differences.

                                      I fully agree that if Spot makes a really good plain bagel, it shouldn't matter if they go all Dynamo Slocombe Bagels too. Unless you want a Poppy bagel, and all they have is Poppy Orange.

                                      1. re: sugartoof
                                        Windy RE: sugartoof Jul 17, 2011 02:04 PM

                                        The thing I don't understand with all these sweet corn and blueberry and Frida bagels is what people put on top of them. Bagels are mostly savory, at least traditionally; with apologies to raisin cinnamon fans.

                                        Happily this area is awash in great salmon, white fish spread, smoked trout, etc. Just can't see wasting a well cured fish on top of a Poppy Orange versus atop dark rye (Cinderella's) or multigrain (Thorough). Maybe that's my own limitation.

                                        And what's wrong with "plain"? How has it become a detractor, even though vanilla appears to have been reclaimed? Still, the proof will be in the product.

                                        1. re: Windy
                                          sugartoof RE: Windy Jul 17, 2011 03:46 PM

                                          I'm partial to plain, but obviously someone is buying those purple blueberry bagels they sell in NY.

                                          I have to admit I've picked up Black pepper, and Cayenne bagels because they sounded interesting. I like the Potato bagels at Holy Bagel, above and beyond their plain. Poppy Orange sounds tasty to me actually - it's just that, you're right, some orange zest in a bagel isn't going to work with lox, or whitefish. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the bread itself.

                                          If someone said they were going to make real artisanal San Francisco Sourdoughs, and then made flavors better suited for a muffin - I'd be pissed.

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                                  jman1 RE: soupnazi Jul 17, 2011 10:51 PM

                                  Anyone every try a free bagel from Sour Flour? I've met the guy a few times, but never tasted a bagel.


                                  1. Robert Lauriston RE: soupnazi Jul 19, 2011 04:34 PM

                                    I asked at the Oregon St. Bowl, they said they'll be at the West Bowl starting tomorrow.

                                    Berkeley Bowl West
                                    920 Heinz Ave, Berkeley, CA

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                                    1. re: Robert Lauriston
                                      majordanby RE: Robert Lauriston Jul 21, 2011 10:14 AM

                                      checked today - didnt have them yet. Berkeley Bowl site says they're coming July 23rd.

                                      Berkeley Bowl
                                      2020 Oregon St, Berkeley, CA 94703

                                      1. re: majordanby
                                        jcormac RE: majordanby Jul 22, 2011 12:52 PM

                                        I have to admit that this sort of bugs me. If you subscribe to their twitter feed, it's been a months long onslaught of "coming soon"s and general puffery to the point where I thought it might be vaporware. And even this week, it's still bereft of specifics. I appreciate that getting a business up and running is tough but attention spans in our busy food scene tend to wander.

                                        1. re: majordanby
                                          wolfe RE: majordanby Jul 22, 2011 01:54 PM

                                          Stop bothering the service desk at BBW. I was there getting directions as they took their thousandth call. Only heard their side but it went something like this "not yet, i know but they promise tomorrow." I said the bagels, right? He said yes.;-)

                                          1. re: wolfe
                                            majordanby RE: wolfe Jul 22, 2011 02:41 PM

                                            hey, i only called up twice this morning....

                                            and twice more in the afternoon....

                                            and visited the store to see if they were there...


                                          2. re: majordanby
                                            abstractpoet RE: majordanby Jul 23, 2011 03:33 PM

                                            They were at BBW today. $0.99 each. I snagged a plain - very dense, smallish bagel with some bits of cornmeal on the bottom. Very very chewy.

                                            I thought it was good, if not revelatory. I like my bagels still slightly warm from the oven, though.

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                                              Robert Lauriston RE: abstractpoet Jul 23, 2011 04:10 PM

                                              Similar impression here. No crunch (who knows how long it had been out of the oven). Dense, maybe the chewiest bagel I've ever had. Tasty, though not the old-school bagel flavor I'm looking for (cf. Park Slope's Bagel Hole), more of a sourdough / levain flavor.

                                              I'll try toasted later.

                                              1. re: Robert Lauriston
                                                sugartoof RE: Robert Lauriston Jul 23, 2011 04:52 PM

                                                By old school bagel flavor, you mean circa 1985, when Bagel Hole opened.

                                                They're known for being small, dense, but chewy with a harder outer shell.

                                                1. re: sugartoof
                                                  Robert Lauriston RE: sugartoof Jul 23, 2011 05:11 PM

                                                  Bagel Hole preserves an old tradition that was almost extinct when they opened. There were a couple of older places still going in Brooklyn at that time, but I heard they closed.

                                                  1. re: Robert Lauriston
                                                    Windy RE: Robert Lauriston Jul 23, 2011 07:06 PM

                                                    Bergen Bagels (Ft. Greene) still has it. I've never been to Bagel Hole to compare.

                                                    No one tried orange poppy or Frida Kahlo bagels?

                                                    Will try them out at Canyon or Good Life later this week.

                                                    1. re: Windy
                                                      majordanby RE: Windy Jul 23, 2011 09:03 PM

                                                      i tried the sweet corn and blueberry. interesting taste - you old fashioned bagelites would probably scoff at such a artsy bagel.

                                                      i also got the plain and agree with the above - chewy, but definitely needed to be toasted

                                                      1. re: majordanby
                                                        sugartoof RE: majordanby Jul 24, 2011 01:04 AM

                                                        Not a great sign. I personally like a bagel toasted, but it's considered amongst purists to be sacrilege. You're not supposed to need to toast a good bagel.

                                        2. Robert Lauriston RE: soupnazi Jul 24, 2011 10:33 AM

                                          Tried toasting one this morning. OK texture but sort of bland bagel-shaped bread. Doesn't taste like a bagel to me.

                                          The Bagel Hole guy said they use "a good, old-fashioned recipe with malt instead of sugar." Maybe the malt has something to do with it.


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                                          1. re: Robert Lauriston
                                            Robert Lauriston RE: Robert Lauriston Jul 24, 2011 10:40 AM

                                            Well, maybe the malt's not the issue, barley malt syrup is one of the ingredients.


                                            1. re: Robert Lauriston
                                              BernalKC RE: Robert Lauriston Jul 24, 2011 11:27 AM

                                              I agree that there is not the right depth of flavor, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it bland. I've recently been eating a lot of Izzy's bagels, and I'd like to marry Izzy's flavor with Beauty's texture and shape. Hoping they're still working on their recipe, method, and everything else that layers into the final product.

                                              1. re: BernalKC
                                                Robert Lauriston RE: BernalKC Jul 24, 2011 11:28 AM

                                                It didn't seem bland until I toasted it.

                                                1. re: BernalKC
                                                  majordanby RE: BernalKC Jul 24, 2011 12:52 PM

                                                  "Izzy's flavor with Beauty's texture and shape"

                                                  exactly. i got a few beauty bagels from saul's deli yesterday and did a taste test between them and spot. had to go with beauty's - really liked the texture. when i was down in the peninsula, i always went for izzys and they still are my favorite bay area bagel.

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                                                abstractpoet RE: soupnazi Jul 24, 2011 11:00 AM

                                                I'm just curious as to what these SPoT bagels are like, texturally, fresh out of the oven. I understand the advantage of doing it this way - $$$ without the high overhead of an actual shop. But there's just no comparison. At my favorite bagel shop in Manalapan, NJ, they bring bagels fresh out of the oven several times throughout the course of the day. Even with a six-hour-old or eight-hour-old bagel, you notice a significant decline in quality.

                                                When I've lucked into a fresh-out-of-the-oven bagel at Berkeley Bagel, I actually enjoyed it more than I did SPoT's. Of course most of the time those have been sitting there all day too. Maybe you just don't get enough turnover in this area. But if you made bagels that were good enough (hopefully Beauty's), then I think you would.

                                                If you have to toast it, what's the point? It's just a round piece of bread at that point.

                                                Berkeley Bagel
                                                1281 Gilman St, Albany, CA

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                                                1. re: abstractpoet
                                                  ChowFun_derek RE: abstractpoet Jul 25, 2011 11:04 AM

                                                  The "secret" if there is one... is to NOT slice the bagel ..put it in a toaster oven only long enough to bring back the "crisp" on the crust and perhaps slightly warm the interior....

                                                  1. re: ChowFun_derek
                                                    abstractpoet RE: ChowFun_derek Jul 25, 2011 11:39 AM

                                                    Yeah, I use that method with day-old (or several-day-old) bagels. But a bagel reheated in this manner is still going to be a pale shadow of one that's fresh.

                                                    The point is that you shouldn't have to resort to such measures if you're buying a bagel the day it's made!

                                                    1. re: abstractpoet
                                                      munrass RE: abstractpoet Jul 25, 2011 11:54 AM

                                                      I have found the best way to bring back day old+ bagels is:
                                                      Place unsliced in a steamer and steam until warmed through, about 10-15mins. The crust will be soggy. Next place in wide mouth toaster or toaster oven. This will bring back the crust.

                                                      1. re: abstractpoet
                                                        drewskiSF RE: abstractpoet Jul 25, 2011 01:08 PM

                                                        Serious Eats guys take on same day bagels (from link early in this thread)

                                                        "Our conclusion? A bagel's half-life, untoasted and unadorned, is no more than half an hour. It was far less than any of us had thought, but after more than thirty minutes, we saw a rapid decline in texture, crust, and even taste."

                                                        I've never had one fresh from the oven so apparently have never had the true bagel experience.

                                                        1. re: drewskiSF
                                                          Robert Lauriston RE: drewskiSF Jul 25, 2011 01:36 PM

                                                          The fresher the better, but I had some Bagel Hole bagels that were at least 12 hours old, and they were better than any I've had around here in many years. I'm kind of tempted to make them at home to see if I can figure out what makes the difference.

                                                          1. re: drewskiSF
                                                            sugartoof RE: drewskiSF Jul 25, 2011 02:54 PM

                                                            Ess-a-Bagel is the only place where bagels go stale that quickly, and that's a recent development. I loved their bagels once upon a time, but now they taste like stale, unsalted cardboard even as they start to cool.

                                                            If on is going to toast bagels, the Trader Joe's bagels are pretty decent for a packaged version. They're just a little denser/breadier than they should be.

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                                                      soupnazi RE: soupnazi Jul 24, 2011 07:02 PM

                                                      just picked up a few at bb.very good!nice crispy outside,soft chewy inside,reminded me of bagels from ny.

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                                                      1. re: soupnazi
                                                        abbott RE: soupnazi Jul 27, 2011 10:40 AM

                                                        Really? I thought they couldn't be any more different from a NY bagel. I found it very tough and difficult to chew and gummy in the middle. Maybe they are still getting their act together. Who else has tried them?

                                                        1. re: abbott
                                                          ChowFun_derek RE: abbott Jul 28, 2011 12:48 PM

                                                          Just finished 2 of them...one at the Duboce Park Cafe, and one here at home before I write this...I am "Bursting with Bagels"!!!

                                                          First at the Cafe...my default bagel is sesame....the ones previously used at the Duboce Park Cafe came from House of Bagels....it absolutely looked like a NY bagel shiney with its' glossy glaze and piled with sesame seeds! I had it with butter ...yet I still was able to discern a deeper sesame flavor (is that because they use sesame oil as well in their recipe? The hint of malt syrup is more like a delicate flavor in the background...then upfront..still it did instill a slight sweetness to the dough....NOW Texture....slightly toasted it was crispy then very very chewy!!! This for me is a GOOD thing, and very representative of New York Bagels....SF bagels don't promote chewing...what can I say...I like to use my mandibles! I actually felt like I ate something that gave my jaw excercise!
                                                          Number 2 Bagel...brought home ...unsliced..slowly heated until crust was recrisped, but with no additional browning, and the interior was warm...it was as close as I could get to a NY Bagel still warm from the oven....the aroma when held up to the nose gave a malty undertone...good beginning...so I didn't slice it but stuffed it in my mouth totally intact. Crisp and then also very chewy this one was cloaked in poppy seeds......so to reiterate...no butter, no cream cheese....naked from its boiling and baking... not gummy at all...the one disconcerting thing for me with both bagels was the color of the dough which was definitely darker than its' progenitors in Brooklyn...a check of the ingredient list revealed the possible answer...."Unbleached Flour"...so I haven't tried the more exotic flavors...and I probably won't till I try double onion, roast garlic and plain (called Yosemite (Yo-Semite) from the pristine waters of the Sierra....these are "Manly" bagels... the new fussy flavors, seem effeminate..but I will withhold judgement..till I experience them with my own taste buds.....

                                                          These are also available at Duboce Park Cafes' sister restaurant..Dolores Park Cafe in the Mission.

                                                          Duboce Park Cafe
                                                          2 Sanchez St, San Francisco, CA 94114

                                                          1. re: abbott
                                                            Windy RE: abbott Jul 28, 2011 01:20 PM

                                                            I tried an everything and an onion, as well as a Frida. No toasting. They were 99 cents each.

                                                            They are smallish and shiny. (No bagels that I had last month in NYC fit this description). The everything and sesamimi (which I didn't try) were most appealing. They're kind of unevenly shaped and baked, which I imagine will even out over time.

                                                            The big hole is a pain--my salmon (from the counter at Canyon Market, where I got my bagels) fell through.

                                                            I liked the everything best. The onion was kind of soggy on the outside and I suspect underbaked. The texture is kind of odd. Not quite a hard crust--I'd have preferred baked longer.

                                                            I would try them again, and hope perhaps instead of orange poppy they'd consider pumpernickel or even a whole grain without weird spices.

                                                            A note that the red containers have no ingredients listed, so I couldn't find out what was in a Frida bagel. Whatever the spice is (jalapeños? cumin?) it didn't belong in a bagel.

                                                            Canyon Market
                                                            2815 Diamond Street, San Francisco, CA

                                                            1. re: Windy
                                                              sugartoof RE: Windy Jul 28, 2011 01:55 PM

                                                              Oh no, the Frida remain a mystery?

                                                              As for the small and shiny part...one could describe Kossar's or H&H as resembling that description. Also Murray's when it first opened. Combined with Chowfound's report of chewy to the point of giving your mouth a workout... they sound like their own thing.

                                                              1. re: sugartoof
                                                                Windy RE: sugartoof Jul 28, 2011 02:17 PM

                                                                Mine wasn't that chewy though, even a day later. If anything I thought they improved after exposure to air. Probably depends on whether you toast them.

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                                                          Spatlese RE: soupnazi Oct 18, 2011 10:46 AM

                                                          Are these guys still up and running? Was at Bi-Rite this past weekend, and the bins previously stocked with Spot product were now filled with House of Bagel stuff, along with a sign saying something to the effect that as of Saturday, Oct 15th, there would be no more Spot Bagel available, so they were selling HoB bagels instead.

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                                                            kobescott RE: Spatlese Oct 18, 2011 11:19 AM

                                                            Do you remember what bi rite you went to? I noticed that hob opened a location in montclair.

                                                            1. re: kobescott
                                                              wally RE: kobescott Oct 18, 2011 12:05 PM

                                                              There is more than one Bi-Rite?

                                                            2. re: Spatlese
                                                              Windy RE: Spatlese Oct 18, 2011 12:23 PM

                                                              Bizarre. Twitter feed is silent for 17 days, Facebook page is gone.

                                                              It's hard to make money in baked goods, but there must be a story behind the splashy launch including the building off 101 by It's It, and subsequent vanishing.

                                                              1. re: Windy
                                                                Robert Lauriston RE: Windy Oct 18, 2011 01:38 PM

                                                                I figure the story is that too many people did what I did: tried one or two, didn't like it, at least not enough to pay the high price, didn't buy it again.

                                                                1. re: Robert Lauriston
                                                                  jcormac RE: Robert Lauriston Oct 18, 2011 01:59 PM

                                                                  Saw on twitter @hotfoodporn - Oct 14 "Spot Bagel just told me that they are closing up shop. So sad, I thought they were one of the few good bagels in SF."

                                                                  I had always thought that the idea of an "artisan" bagel was odd once you also factored in that they were coming in cold. Not quite "artisan frozen pizza" but for a foodstuff which depends upon freshness....

                                                                  1. re: jcormac
                                                                    majordanby RE: jcormac Oct 18, 2011 02:32 PM

                                                                    wow, that soon? i know they were in seattle in the 90's, but then tanked. but, they were at least in business for several years there...

                                                                    1. re: majordanby
                                                                      ChowFun_derek RE: majordanby Oct 18, 2011 05:11 PM

                                                                      According to Marcia Gagliardi in "Tablehopper" Spot Bagels has closed...
                                                                      "And based out of Burlingame, I was sorry to learn that ~SPOT BAGEL~ has ended production. In an email to me, owner Jay Glass said, “SPOT Bagel is sad to announce that we have closed our doors. We sincerely thank everyone who has supported us and enjoyed our bagels.” Dang."

                                                                      link to Tablehopper...


                                                                      1. re: ChowFun_derek
                                                                        jman1 RE: ChowFun_derek Oct 31, 2011 03:15 PM

                                                                        That was quick!


                                                                        1. re: ChowFun_derek
                                                                          wolfe RE: ChowFun_derek Oct 31, 2011 03:36 PM

                                                                          Suggestion, take the Sour Flour bagel class and make your own. It works.
                                                                          Made them yesterday, baked off this morning, served with Sierra Nevada cream cheese while warm.

                                                                  2. re: Windy
                                                                    sugartoof RE: Windy Oct 18, 2011 02:55 PM

                                                                    It's a pretty sizeable looking building from the outside too, with the giant logo.

                                                                    Beauty's bagels look to be the last refuge.

                                                                  3. re: Spatlese
                                                                    BernalKC RE: Spatlese Oct 18, 2011 01:13 PM

                                                                    They had been on sale at Good Life Grocery too, and now they are gone. Curious.

                                                                    Good Life Grocery
                                                                    1524 20th St, San Francisco, CA

                                                                    1. re: BernalKC
                                                                      oniontears RE: BernalKC Oct 24, 2011 07:25 PM

                                                                      wow. i noticed last week that one of the UC Berkeley cafes switched from Spot. i know they supplied several of the campus' eateries which is as good as a sure thing since the majority of students won't really question the bagel quality (they were MUCH better than what was on offer there previously). even with such a large customer order from the cal campus they're gone...

                                                                  4. j
                                                                    jam_loss RE: soupnazi Oct 24, 2011 10:20 AM

                                                                    Real Bagels have come and gone from the Bay Area already - if you were lucky enough to try Phil Roland's bagels! I keep hoping he's going to open up again somewhere..

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