Opinion Regarding My Food Plan
I'm going to Pittsburgh next weekend for my birthday. I will be staying at the SpringHill Suites by the airport and will have a car. After reviewing the boards here on Chowhound, here's my food plan for the weekend:
Friday (Dinner Only): Il Pizzaiolo (I will go to Dinette if the wait is shorter)
Saturday (Lunch): Vietnam Pho or Tram Kitchen
Saturday (Dinner): Salt of the Earth (I have already made reservations)
Sunday (Lunch): Point Brugge Cafe
Sunday (Dinner): Kaya
Monday (Lunch): Eleven or Penn Ave Fish Company
What do you think? I will also probably go for coffee at Espresso a Mano. Some of the other places that I have read about on here that sound good include Spoon, Yo Rita, Tamari, and Piccolo Forno, but I'm going to keep those places as standby.
Sounds like a great trip! It's a good thing I can't afford to eat like that all the time. That looks like a pretty decent tour of Pittsburgh dining options.
Not to start a flame war here, but I would question your Sat lunch choice of Vietnam Pho or Trams. If you don't really have any expectations of Vietnamese food, you might be ok, but if you're familiar with the cuisine, I think Trams would be disappointing and you might find Vietnam Pho only acceptable. I typically choose to get my Vietnamese fix at Pho Minh (also on Penn), but that's a matter of long running Pittsburgh debate (at last Trams vs Pho Minh).
If you were considering Vietnam Pho on a Saturday, that means you might already be planning on being in the Strip District (Penn Ave and Smallman Ave, 16th-24th St). Saturday is a big day there, and you may be best off just doing a little walking around, and eating street food (tacos! bahn mi!), shopping, and people watching. If you're still hungry and have to get your pho fix, then Vietnam's pho is right there too, but I suspect you'll find lots of other things to munch on.
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Thanks for the response. According to other people on Chowhound, Vietnam Pho and Trams is better than Pho Minh. I was hoping to get a good bowl of Pho for lunch on Saturday so I debated which place was better as well.
Have you been to Vietnam? Would you say the pho at Pho Minh is similar to pho in Vietnam? I have never been to Vietnam so I don't know how the food compares.
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Unfortunately I haven't made it to Vietnam yet, but hope to soon. However, I've eaten through a large number of Vietnamese restaurants on both coasts, make some decent Vietnamese food myself, a large chunk of my immediate neighbors are Vietnamese, and I'm an all around SEAsia-phile. That said, different people like what they like, hence the difference of opinions on Pittsburgh Vietnamese restaurants, even among some of my close friends. Personally, in terms of just pho, I don't think any places here in Pittsburgh approach what I would consider a high standard (ex. Pho 75 in the Washington, DC metro area), but most of them also offer a menu that's more than just soup.
I personally like pho and Vietnamese food in general to have a rich but fresh taste. For me, even strong flavors like fish sauce, paste, etc. should be bright and interesting. If I had to break down the differences in a std bowl of pho tai/nam from the various places:
Trams for me just doesn't taste fresh or interesting at all, stale to some degree.
Vietnam's Pho is a little sweet and cloying without much flavor complexity, but has a few decent notes and isn't that bad overall. Acceptable if you're in the vicinity and don't want head a couple miles up Penn Ave.
Pho Minh tends to be a slightly lighter broth than something like Pho75, but has a nice fresh taste and good complexity which makes for a overall satisfying bowl.
If you're coming in from an area of the country with a large Vietnamese population, with lots of competition for experienced pho fanatics, then you should probably just take a pass here in Pittsburgh, there are more interesting things that really are great. However, if you can't do without or don't get it very often, the bowls here in Pittsburgh are definitely acceptable or better. I don't think I'd be able to live without at least one bowl a week, so wherever you decide to go, you'll be fine.
Hitting the strip on Saturday is something you won't forget or regret easily (except for the crowds if you're in a hurry). Even waiting in a giant line at the Penn Mac cheese counter is all worth it for a quick conversation with Carol and for that morning taste of a little sliver of the bosco tartufo. The first truffle of the day is always the best ;-)
Have a great trip to Pittsburgh!
Can't tell where you're from, but guessing San Diego based on other threads. I can see why you might pass on street food, but if you're in the Strip, I'd really give S&D's Polish Deli a chance - I don't think you're gonna find much of that out in California. Might also consider that for your Monday lunch.
Also not crazy about Kaya like some are here. I'd take Tamari over it. But I'm not you.
And not to throw you a curveball, but if you're heading to Mt. Lebanon for Il Piz and you're not alone, you might want to consider splitting the DOC margharita (granted, it would be a rather large appetizer) and a glass of wine then heading over to KousKous for some excellent Moroccan, even if just the bastilla (it's byob).
Not sure what kind of coffee you like, but keep in mind that Espresso a Mano is fairly serious - not hardcore, but certainly not Starbucks. Ask Matt or Braden (or whomever is on bar) for a straight shot of Apollo or a cappuccino and you'll get their best work. Good choices on the pourover bar too.
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Thanks Panini Guy for the info. I'm actually from Michigan, but I'm up for any kind of food. I will definitely consider going to Tamari over Kaya. KousKous sounds awesome as well. I might do that for lunch on Saturday instead and go for Vietnamese for lunch on Sunday.
I'm into espresso drinks so that's why I wanted to check out Espresso a Mano. I'm starting to become a coffee snob so Starbucks doesn't cut it for me any more.
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Thanks for the info about Notion. I think Notion is too out there for me. I understand the chef's concept and what he wants to do with his restaurant, but I don't think I will get it. I decided to go to Spoon on Sunday night instead of Kaya. I think I might go to Kaya on Monday for lunch instead.
By the way, I've been reading your food blog to learn more about places to eat in Pittsburgh and it is very helpful. Thanks for all of the hard work you put into it.
Thanks a lot manhong, I appreciate that more than you know! Definitely understand where you are coming from. You'll get to experience plenty of such techniques at Salt - but it's much more casual. I think you will be really pleased.
I just saw the Sean Ehland is back in Pittsburgh for a week, I don't know if that means he will make an appearance at Kaya, but I doubt it. If that's the case, I think you'll be happy at spoon - the food has always been great, I've only had lack-luster service once.
Where are you from?
1. i live in shadyside, and I really don't think Dinette is that great. I'd go to piccolo forno as backup over dinette
2. If you are from any city with great asian food or vietnamese food, i would skip vietnam pho and tram....they're fine since we have nothing better, but ,mediocre to any other city
3. Love salt of the earth
4. Make sure you get the red curry mussels at point brugge
5. Kaya is great
I would really suggest you add meat and potatoes to your food plan. since it's opened, i've brought various friends from out of town and they have all loved it. www.meatandpotatoespgh.com
Why not for saturday lunch, eat down in the strip district? grab some tongue tacos at the reyna stand, have some sushi at fish company, eat some pierogies at the polish deli next door, have a pepperoni roll at mancinis.
A lot of people like Kaya, many of my friends included, personally I have never been blown away by kaya. I would pick meat and potatoes, spoon or yo rita over it.