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France and Italy - [moved from General Chowhounding board]

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Visiting these countries and was wondering how the tiping is handled. Is this added on to the bill?

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  1. In France, service is included in the menu price. No tip is required although people will often leave a few coins.

    Italy is more flexible. Sometimes service is inlcuded in the menu price (it'll usually say so on the menu), sometimes there's a service charge shown on the bill (and no further tip is required). Sometimes nothing - in which case a traditional tip is usual, although not essential. 10% would be a really good tip for an upscale restauran