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smbaggott Jun 29, 2011 09:39 PM

My wife and I are headed to NYC for several days and have reservations for the restaurants listed below. Does anyone have any feedback regarding our list and suggestions for filling the open spots? Please note that I have a seafood allergy, which keeps us away from places like Le Bernadin and Ko. Thank you very much for your help.

Day 1 (Saturday) - Daniel dinner
Day 2 (Sunday) - Bistro Moderne lunch; Per Se dinner
Day 3 (Monday) - Bouley lunch; EMP dinner
Day 4 (Tuesday) - Del Posto lunch; Jean-Georges dinner
Day 5 (Wednesday - Wife's Birthday) - [hopefully a place with great pepperoni pizza for lunch - could use a suggestion]; EMP dinner
Day 6 (Thursday) - [no lunch plans yet]; Per Se dinner
Day 7 (Friday) - [no lunch or dinner plans yet]
Day 8 (Saturday) - [no lunch plans yet]

Thanks again.

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Per Se
10 Columbus Circle, New York, NY 10019

Del Posto
85 10th Avenue, New York, NY 10011

  1. h
    H Manning Jun 30, 2011 02:50 AM

    In keeping with your modern French preferences, also consider Corton, Picholine, and The Modern Dining Room.

    Is there any reason why you have not included any Italian restaurants? Some good options:

    Babbo
    Lincoln
    Scarpetta
    Ciano
    Ai Fiori

    For pepperoni pizza, perhaps Rubirosa?

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    Babbo
    110 Waverly Pl, New York, NY 10011

    The Modern
    9 West 53rd Street, New York, NY 10019

    Picholine
    35 West 64th St., New York, NY 10023

    Scarpetta
    355 West 14th Street, New York, NY 10014

    Corton
    239 West Broadway, New York, NY 10013

    Ciano
    45 E 22nd St, New York, NY 10010

    Lincoln
    142 W 65th St, New York, NY 10023

    Rubirosa
    235 Mulberry St, New York, NY 10012

    Ai Fiori
    400 5th Ave, New York, NY 10018

    3 Replies
    1. re: H Manning
      r
      Riverman500 Jun 30, 2011 07:09 AM

      The OP did mention Del Posto, but I agree that the itinerary heavily favors high end French, which might be too much of a good thing especially with multiple meals at EMP and Per Se.

      It might be a good idea to throw in some non-French options for lunch in order to enhance the distinctiveness of each dinner.

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      Per Se
      10 Columbus Circle, New York, NY 10019

      Del Posto
      85 10th Avenue, New York, NY 10011

      1. re: H Manning
        ellenost Jun 30, 2011 07:57 AM

        Agree about adding Corton, Picholine and Ai Fiori. I haven't tried the others on your list (although I'm not a fan of The Modern Dining Room).

        Maybe the OP should consider moving the lunch reservations of Bouley and Del Posto to Days 7 & 8 where they don't have any plans yet. There's only one person I know (uhockey) that has the capacity to enjoy 2 great meals in a single day :-).

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        Picholine
        35 West 64th St., New York, NY 10023

        Corton
        239 West Broadway, New York, NY 10013

        Ai Fiori
        400 5th Ave, New York, NY 10018

        1. re: ellenost
          n
          nmprisons Jun 30, 2011 08:12 AM

          A recent meal that I had a Lincoln was better in every respect than either of my meals at Ai Fiori. That said, it is a little less formal and a little less "fine dining" than Ai Fiori, which appears to be what the OP is interested in, so you might be right about the suggestion.

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          Lincoln
          142 W 65th St, New York, NY 10023

          Ai Fiori
          400 5th Ave, New York, NY 10018

      2. g
        gutsofsteel Jun 30, 2011 03:42 AM

        Cafe Boulud
        La Grenouille
        Ciano
        Craft
        head up to Blue Hill Stone Barns

        I'm not sure you are wise to do EMP and Per Se twice each during this trip.

        Have you informed all the restaurants where you are going of the seafood allergy?

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        Per Se
        10 Columbus Circle, New York, NY 10019

        Cafe Boulud
        20 East 76th St., New York, NY 10021

        Craft
        43 E. 19th St., New York, NY 10003

        La Grenouille
        3 East 52nd Street, New York, NY 10022

        Ciano
        45 E 22nd St, New York, NY 10010

        1. n
          nmprisons Jun 30, 2011 04:11 AM

          I just can't imagine eating dinner at Daniel-Per Se-EMP-Jean Georges-EMP-Per Se all in a row, and I can eat like a freaking horse, though I am impressed by your fortitude.

          I am not sure where you are visiting from, but I would check out some of the stuff NYC does as well, if not better, than anywhere in the country. Try some Thai food at Zabb Ellee or Ayada, bagels at Absolute Bagels, Pastrami on Rye at Katz's Deli.

          If you insist on fine dining the whole time (more power to you), I would add Momofuku Ko, the Modern, and Blue Hill at Stone Barns to that list. You might also consider one of the fine Japanese restaurants in the city, perhaps Kyo Ya or 15 East or Yakatori Totto.

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          Yakitori Totto
          251 W 55th St, New York, NY 10019

          15 East
          15 East 15th Street, New York, NY 10003

          Blue Hill
          75 Washington Place, New York, NY 10011

          The Modern
          9 West 53rd Street, New York, NY 10019

          Kyo Ya
          94 E 7th St, New York, NY 10009

          Momofuku Ko
          163 1st Ave, New York, NY 10003

          Absolute Bagels
          2788 Broadway, New York, NY 10025

          Zabb Elee
          75 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10003

          7 Replies
          1. re: nmprisons
            g
            gutsofsteel Jun 30, 2011 04:47 AM

            Seafood allergy - some restaurants don't make sense, like 15 East.

            Yakitori Totto is fun, but a "fine" restaurant it is not.

            The OP should also consider Kajitsu.

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            Yakitori Totto
            251 W 55th St, New York, NY 10019

            15 East
            15 East 15th Street, New York, NY 10003

            Kajitsu
            414 East 9th Street, New York, NY 10009

            1. re: gutsofsteel
              n
              nmprisons Jun 30, 2011 04:58 AM

              GOS might be right, though "fine" and "fine dining" aren't the same in my book.

              1. re: nmprisons
                g
                gutsofsteel Jun 30, 2011 05:00 AM

                You said "You might also consider one of the fine Japanese restaurants in the city, perhaps Kyo Ya or 15 East or Yakatori Totto."

                I'm just saying that Yakitori Totto is not a fine restaurant.

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                Yakitori Totto
                251 W 55th St, New York, NY 10019

                15 East
                15 East 15th Street, New York, NY 10003

                Kyo Ya
                94 E 7th St, New York, NY 10009

              2. re: gutsofsteel
                n
                nmprisons Jun 30, 2011 12:03 PM

                Kajitsu would definitely be unlike anything in Houston, and is a good choice (if they can go a meal without meat)

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                Kajitsu
                414 East 9th Street, New York, NY 10009

              3. re: nmprisons
                t
                thegforceny Jun 30, 2011 07:28 AM

                nmp - Just wanted to note I've been following your recent posts and find you're usually on the money with your recs and feedback. Thanks for the new energy to the Manhattan board! -the G

                1. re: thegforceny
                  n
                  nmprisons Jun 30, 2011 07:41 AM

                  well thank you very much. i appreciate it.

                2. re: nmprisons
                  k
                  kathryn Jul 1, 2011 09:03 PM

                  Thai food might be difficult with the seafood allergy (fish sauce). OP also posted that they were avoiding Ko due to the allergy as well.

                3. n
                  Nancy S. Jun 30, 2011 04:55 AM

                  Sounds like an amazing plan, but I worry that it's too much. When I travel, I schedule many excellent dinners in a row. That is my evening entertainment. I know I can't handle two important meals a day, especially eight days in a row. Maybe my husband can manage, but I would flag after the second day. I would switch some of your lunches to dinners and eat lighter during the day so that you can enjoy your "evening entertainment".

                  1. s
                    smbaggott Jun 30, 2011 09:52 AM

                    Thank you very much for the suggestions. I plan to drop the first EMP; I may move Jean-Georges to a lunch spot, and I'll try to work in some Italian. Babbo is booked except for very late or very early slots. Is it so much better than Del Posto (or other Italian places mentioned) that I should take a table at 10pm on a Monday? I'm also thinking about working in Gramercy Tavern. The menu doesn't grab me, but I find that it's really the execution that matters.

                    I'm from Houston, where there is no high end. This is why I've been gravitating toward fine dining, but as several have pointed out, my present schedule might be a bit much.

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                    Gramercy Tavern
                    42 E 20th St, New York, NY 10003

                    Babbo
                    110 Waverly Pl, New York, NY 10011

                    Del Posto
                    85 10th Avenue, New York, NY 10011

                    5 Replies
                    1. re: smbaggott
                      n
                      Nancy S. Jun 30, 2011 09:58 AM

                      Instead of Gramercy Tavern, I would select The Dining Room at The Modern.

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                      Gramercy Tavern
                      42 E 20th St, New York, NY 10003

                      The Modern
                      9 West 53rd Street, New York, NY 10019

                      1. re: smbaggott
                        n
                        nmprisons Jun 30, 2011 10:03 AM

                        Houston, what a lovely city. I spend a summer working for a law firm there and really enjoyed it. You should avoid Mexican food, Vietnamese food, and BBQ in NYC at all costs, you will be disappointed. (And, it is a real shame that you don't do seafood because Reef is the best meal in Houston as far as I am concerned).

                        I don't think that Babbo is meaningfully better than Da Marco, so I wouldn't bother trying to work around tricky reservation times.

                        I would also look into the various Momofuku restaurants and Prune, as there is nothing at all like them in Houston.

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                        Babbo
                        110 Waverly Pl, New York, NY 10011

                        Prune
                        54 E 1st St, New York, NY 10003

                        1. re: nmprisons
                          r
                          Riverman500 Jun 30, 2011 10:14 AM

                          Yes, the Momofuku restaurants have a broad range of non-seafood dishes, but the OP is right to skip Ko since the restaurant isn't very flexible about substitutions to their set menu.

                          I'd skip Gramercy Tavern if the menu doesn't appeal (why force the issue). Tocqueville is a lovely alternative with a similar emphasis on seasonal menus.

                          Babbo may not be the best Italian restaurant in NYC, but it does have several distinctive dishes that you won't find anywhere else. I'd say Ciano is the most "user friendly" and Lincoln is the most "modern" of the Italian recommendations.

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                          Gramercy Tavern
                          42 E 20th St, New York, NY 10003

                          Babbo
                          110 Waverly Pl, New York, NY 10011

                          Ciano
                          45 E 22nd St, New York, NY 10010

                          1. re: nmprisons
                            s
                            smbaggott Jul 9, 2011 08:55 PM

                            I'd been meaning to try Da Marco for a while, and your comment finally pushed me toward it. I had a lovely meal there this evening. Thank you for the tip.

                            1. re: smbaggott
                              n
                              nmprisons Jul 11, 2011 09:29 AM

                              Very glad to hear that. Houston is an underrated food city to be sure.

                        2. GroovinGourmet Jun 30, 2011 11:00 AM

                          One of my fave spots is Toloache. Groovy little spot with excellent ceviches and guacamoles. Huge tequila selection.

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                          Toloache
                          251 West 50th Street, New York, NY 10019

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                          1. re: GroovinGourmet
                            t
                            thegforceny Jun 30, 2011 11:57 AM

                            OP is coming from Houston where Mexican restaurants are wonderful. Also, they are looking for upscale dining experiences, not groovy little spots, as evident by their list. (I like Toloache a lot though! Just not for these visitors.)

                          2. s
                            smbaggott Jun 30, 2011 11:37 AM

                            I've revised my plans as follows:

                            Day 1 (Saturday) - Daniel dinner
                            Day 2 (Sunday) - Bistro Moderne lunch; Per Se dinner
                            Day 3 (Monday) - Bouley lunch; The Modern
                            Day 4 (Tuesday) - Del Posto lunch; Momofuku Ssam Bar (they don't take reservations, right?)
                            Day 5 (Wednesday - Wife's Birthday) - [hopefully a place with great pepperoni pizza for lunch - could use a suggestion]; EMP dinner
                            Day 6 (Thursday) - [no lunch plans yet]; Per Se dinner
                            Day 7 (Friday) - Jean-Georges lunch; Lincoln dinner
                            Day 8 (Saturday) - [no lunch plans yet / leaving before dinner]

                            I appreciate the helpful suggestions. I feel much better about this list than my first one, but I'm happy for any input regarding further revisions or filling the few lunch spots I have left. Thank you again.

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                            Per Se
                            10 Columbus Circle, New York, NY 10019

                            Momofuku Ssam Bar
                            207 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10003

                            Del Posto
                            85 10th Avenue, New York, NY 10011

                            19 Replies
                            1. re: smbaggott
                              n
                              nmprisons Jun 30, 2011 11:51 AM

                              No reservations at Ssam Bar, but it won't be too bad on a Tuesday.

                              The list is evolving nicely. You should definitely have the sweatbreads casoncelli at Lincoln if they are still on the menu.

                              1. re: smbaggott
                                Spiritchaser Jun 30, 2011 12:01 PM

                                I think you should try to work in Picholine, lunch or dinner, either would be nice.

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                                Picholine
                                35 West 64th St., New York, NY 10023

                                1. re: Spiritchaser
                                  f
                                  fm1963 Jun 30, 2011 12:13 PM

                                  I don't think that Picholine is open for lunch, though this might be a recent change. The restaurant only has a dinner menu on the website, and opentable lists its hours of operation as: Monday - Thursday: 5:00pm - 10:00pm Friday - Saturday: 5:00pm - 11:00pm Sunday: 5:00pm - 9:00pm.

                                  It's a great choice for dinner though.

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                                  Picholine
                                  35 West 64th St., New York, NY 10023

                                  1. re: fm1963
                                    Spiritchaser Jun 30, 2011 12:25 PM

                                    They are open for lunch now. We had a very recent late lunch that was wonderful. Go directly to the Picholine website for more details on hours and menus, it's very complete.

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                                    Picholine
                                    35 West 64th St., New York, NY 10023

                                    1. re: Spiritchaser
                                      r
                                      RGR Jul 1, 2011 08:41 AM

                                      Picholine *was* serving lunch (Fri., Sat., Sun.) but no longer. Acc. to their website, they are now only serving dinner.

                                      http://www.picholinenyc.com/pich_cont...

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                                      Picholine
                                      35 West 64th St., New York, NY 10023

                                      1. re: RGR
                                        Spiritchaser Jul 1, 2011 09:17 AM

                                        Wow. I stand corrected. That must be a very recent change. What a shame I really liked it for lunch.

                                        1. re: Spiritchaser
                                          r
                                          RGR Jul 1, 2011 01:56 PM

                                          Yup! I discovered it when we were considering going there for lunch a couple of weeks ago. Rather short-lived as I think they'd only been doing it for a few months. I guess they found it wasn't cost effective enough.

                                          Was it full when you had lunch there?

                                          http://thewizardofroz.wordpress.com

                                          1. re: RGR
                                            Spiritchaser Jul 1, 2011 02:15 PM

                                            No, not even close. i remember saying something to my GF questioning how they could afford to do it becaue they were fully staffed and it seemed like overkill. I was however, impressed with how well they did lunch.

                                            1. re: Spiritchaser
                                              r
                                              RGR Jul 1, 2011 02:39 PM

                                              I thought that would be the case. Ergo, no more lunch. It's a shame, really. They were offering a very good value deal, and the food is superb.

                                              http://thewizardofroz.wordpress.com

                                              1. re: RGR
                                                Spiritchaser Jul 1, 2011 04:00 PM

                                                We were just there for dinner and the food really is wonderful (still) but the service seemed a little less polished, granted, it was a Thursday and it was early but they didn't bring their "A" game.

                                                1. re: Spiritchaser
                                                  p
                                                  peter j Jul 1, 2011 04:15 PM

                                                  I've heard rumors about staff turnover lately. Not sure what about the cause but that might explain the less polished service.

                                                  At any rate, I hope it's temporary, but I can imagine that Picholine is affected by competition from Lincoln, Boulud Sud, and Leopard at Des Artistes.

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                                                  Picholine
                                                  35 West 64th St., New York, NY 10023

                                                  Boulud Sud
                                                  20 W 64th St, New York, NY 10023

                                2. re: smbaggott
                                  n
                                  Nancy S. Jun 30, 2011 04:54 PM

                                  For pizza, I would go to Motorino.

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                                  Motorino
                                  349 E 12th St, New York, NY 10003

                                  1. re: smbaggott
                                    r
                                    rrems Jun 30, 2011 09:08 PM

                                    <(Wednesday - Wife's Birthday) - [hopefully a place with great pepperoni pizza for lunch>

                                    Did you miss the rec above for Rubirosa? That would be my choice. Absolutely wonderful thin crust pizzas.

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                                    Rubirosa
                                    235 Mulberry St, New York, NY 10012

                                    1. re: smbaggott
                                      r
                                      RGR Jul 1, 2011 08:51 AM

                                      For lunches on Days 6 and 8, I highly recommend Cafe Boulud and Tocqueville.

                                      Cafe Boulud photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11863391@N03/sets/72157626251539228/

                                      Tocqueville photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11863391@N03/sets/72157625626586975/

                                      http://thewizardofroz.wordpress.com

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                                      Cafe Boulud
                                      20 East 76th St., New York, NY 10021

                                      Tocqueville
                                      1 East 15th Street, New York, NY 10003

                                      1. re: smbaggott
                                        d
                                        deepfry7 Jul 1, 2011 04:40 PM

                                        May I ask why you're doing Per Se twice on this trip? You may be getting very similar dishes your second time around, although them being Per Se, they'll know what you ate at your first dinner and you can get totally different courses in your second visit. If money is no issue (which looking at this itinerary, it's not :) ), I would "upgrade" Day 6 to the "extended" tasting menu, which can be an additional 6-8 courses and with many courses that are totally different from that day's regular tasting menu. But it can be $100-150 or more extra per person. FYI, you have to request that in advance.

                                        Just curious - for Daniel, Modern, EMP, and Lincoln dinners, are you planning on getting tasting menus there, or the a la cartes? That is an impressive (and ambitious) itinerary. Hope you enjoy each and every meal!

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                                        Per Se
                                        10 Columbus Circle, New York, NY 10019

                                        1. re: deepfry7
                                          n
                                          nmprisons Jul 1, 2011 05:18 PM

                                          I am sure that Per Se would be happy to make different preparations for them on their second trip. The menu already changes daily. You might just call them and ask if they would be willing to do a different dinner the second time.

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                                          Per Se
                                          10 Columbus Circle, New York, NY 10019

                                          1. re: deepfry7
                                            s
                                            smbaggott Jul 4, 2011 10:53 PM

                                            Per Se impressed me the last time I was in town (and I was only in the Salon), so I'm hitting it twice. Thank you for the tip on the extended menu. Do you know if it's something I could discuss with them on Sunday or if they'l need more notice?

                                            I doubt I'll do tastings at all the other restaurants. I was going to let my mood and their offerings govern, but if you have any insight, I'd like to hear it. I can probably eat 4,500 calories in a sitting and drink a bottle of wine, if that helps you tailor your input.

                                            Thank you again.

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                                            Per Se
                                            10 Columbus Circle, New York, NY 10019

                                          2. re: smbaggott
                                            k
                                            kathryn Jul 1, 2011 09:07 PM

                                            For pizza, it depends what kind of crust you want. If something more charred and Naples style is your thing, then you should go to Motorino. They don't do a "regular" pepperoni, it's a spicy soppressata pie, but it is quite good. Rubirosa might be more recognizable in terms of their pepperoni.

                                            For Saturday, how about a nice brunch at Locanda Verde or Maialino or Minetta Tavern?

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                                            Minetta Tavern
                                            113 MacDougal St, New York, NY 10012

                                            Locanda Verde
                                            377 Greenwich St, New York, NY 10013

                                            Maialino
                                            2 Lexington Avenue, New York, NY 10010

                                            Motorino
                                            349 E 12th St, New York, NY 10003

                                            Rubirosa
                                            235 Mulberry St, New York, NY 10012

                                            1. re: kathryn
                                              s
                                              smbaggott Jul 4, 2011 10:58 PM

                                              Thank you for the input. This is very helpful, as my wife has very traditional tastes in pepperoni pizza, which makes Rubirosa seem like the best choice.

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                                              Rubirosa
                                              235 Mulberry St, New York, NY 10012

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                                            uwsister Jul 11, 2011 09:07 AM

                                            I think your itinerary is coming along very nicely! Would you guys like to adopt a daughter? Ha, ha, ha...

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