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pkts Jun 27, 2011 06:59 AM

I'm looking for places that serve meals with organic meat in a casual environment (preferably "order at the counter types) on the west side or Hollywood area. Added bonus if you can suggest some Thai or Indian! My go to place is Interim Cafe in Santa Monica but would love some variety.

I enjoy Lemonade and GTA but the latter just 'tries' to serve as much organic and local as possible and the former doesn't seem to try at all. My best bets are vegan organic places but I'd like the luxury of ordering meat dishes without the hormones and antibiotics.

Thanks!

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    waterisgood Oct 3, 2011 04:28 PM

    Mizu 212 for shabu shabu on Sawtelle, inbetween Santa Monica and Olympic. They also have organic veggies, and most of the seating is counter ordering.

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      tower20 Aug 7, 2011 03:35 PM

      Check out:
      Sauce on Hampton http://sauceonhampton.com/
      Curious Palate http://thecuriouspalate.com/
      Venice Ale House http://venicealehouse.com/

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      The Curious Palate
      12034 Venice Boulevard, Mar Vista, CA

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      1. re: tower20
        westsidegal Aug 7, 2011 04:40 PM

        the website for Sauce on Hampton mentions "grass-fed" meat, but doesn't specify "organic" nor even "grass-finished" meat.

      2. cant talk...eating Jul 4, 2011 09:15 PM

        Cabbage Patch comes to mind. Order at the counter. I really like this place, and have been to the downtown branch several times. Great quality food, nice change of pace from generic fast-food lunch options downtown. Not all the meat is certified, but they spell out what it is on the menu (free-range, no hormones, etc.). Lunch will be around $15 so it's not a taco truck but probably in line with what you're looking for. (so, what's "GTA"??)

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        1. re: cant talk...eating
          Servorg Jul 5, 2011 03:19 AM

          "(so, what's "GTA"??)"

          Gjelina Take Away (the dedicated take out arm of Gjelina on Abbot Kinney in Venice).

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          Gjelina
          1429 Abbot Kinney Blvd, Venice, CA 90291

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          JudiAU Jul 4, 2011 01:27 PM

          More places will have hormone and antibiotic free and/or grass fed than organic. Organic raises the price tremendously and makes it very difficult for restaurants.

          Mizu 121 has a very good natural / organic option. Shabu Shabu on Sawtelle. Plus the organic veg upgrade is actually worth it, really tasty vegetables and an impressive variety.

          Clementine uses Niman Ranch for a few dishes and Golden State uses Harris Ranch.

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          The Golden State
          426 N. Fairfax Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90036

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            Ernie Jun 30, 2011 05:15 PM

            Tender Greens

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            Tender Greens
            6290 Sunset Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90028

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              westsidegal Jun 30, 2011 05:22 PM

              if the meat at tender greens is organic, they are absolutely NOT making that claim on their website:

              <<Our beef comes from grain-fed hormone/antibiotic free cows. Our chickens are raised on the range in Northern California, not in cages. They are nourished with grain instead of hormone-rich feed>>

              the beef may be grain-fed, but that doesn't mean it's organic. ) the grain could be GMO grain or grain full of pesticides/herbicides. ). for grain-fed beef to be called 'organic' the grain fed to the cows would need to be organic . . .

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                Ernie Jun 30, 2011 05:52 PM

                Thanks for the info, but Tender Greens meat is in fact organic. I just called the Culver City location to verify this

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                Tender Greens
                9523 Culver Blvd, Culver City, CA 90232

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                  westsidegal Jun 30, 2011 07:35 PM

                  ernie:
                  thanks for investigating this.
                  wonder why they don't say this on their website?
                  i would think that it would increase their business.
                  good to know.

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                    libra20 Jun 30, 2011 07:41 PM

                    They have an article on their blog that discusses the meat they source. It is not technically organic, but the cows are either grass fed or given non-GMO grains, as well as being free from hormones and antibiotics. http://www.tendergreensfood.com/blog/...

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                      westsidegal Jun 30, 2011 07:43 PM

                      now i understand.
                      thank you libra20, for taking the time to investigate this for the rest of us on this board.

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                    subby Oct 3, 2011 04:17 PM

                    I just checked out the menu on Tender Greens website, and they provide links to some of their suppliers. Here's what it says about their meat, from Cedar River Farms:

                    "Distributed brand of USDA Prime and Choice Natural Beef. The brand is owned by Skippack Creek Corporation. Holstein bull calves raised on milk supplemented with colostrum from the time they are chosen after 24 hours of birth. 400 days until harvest. No added growth hormones and no antibiotics within 300 days of harvest. Grain-fed."

                    Doesn't sound organic to me, in the least.

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                    Tender Greens
                    9523 Culver Blvd, Culver City, CA 90232

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                libra20 Jun 29, 2011 02:33 PM

                I asked at FIG in Santa Monica today and their meat/chicken is usually organic (although it doesn't mention this on the menu).

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                Fig
                100 Wilshire Blvd, Santa Monica, CA 90401

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                  libra20 Jun 28, 2011 04:21 PM

                  Cafe Carolina in Encino is an Italian restaurant that uses organic chicken for the chicken meatballs and the farfalle

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                  Cafe Carolina
                  17934 Ventura Blvd, Encino, CA 91316

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                    libra20 Jun 28, 2011 12:58 PM

                    Nook Bistro in West LA serves organic chicken.

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                    Nook Bistro
                    11628 Santa Monica Blvd Ste 9, Los Angeles, CA 90025

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                      HaroldandMaude Jun 28, 2011 11:59 AM

                      Sharky's website declares "100% Fresh, Organic and Natural"

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                      1. re: HaroldandMaude
                        johnnyshungry Jun 28, 2011 12:32 PM

                        wow Sharky's I'd never heard of them and prob. would have bypassed it for it's chain feel.
                        Also they so many locations thanks for the tip

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                        Sharky's
                        11 W Seaside Way, Long Beach, CA

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                          JudiAU Jul 4, 2011 01:29 PM

                          The website requires a closer read as do their menu options. I don't think their claims would hold up with an and/or in that slogan. Some of their items are organic and some of their items are "natural" but clearly not all of it.

                      2. Servorg Jun 28, 2011 09:23 AM

                        Look for local LA restaurants the serve Niman Ranch meat and you will come away with everything you are looking for and more: http://www.nimanranch.com/organic-mea... Some of the places I've seen it are listed below.

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                        Jiraffe Restaurant
                        502 Santa Monica Blvd., Santa Monica, CA 90401

                        Wilshire Restaurant
                        2454 Wilshire Boulevard, Santa Monica, CA 90404

                        Urth Caffe
                        2327 Main St, Santa Monica, CA 90405

                        Inn of the Seventh Ray
                        128 Old Topanga Canyon Rd, Topanga, CA 90290

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                          libra20 Jun 28, 2011 09:48 AM

                          The link you provided for Niman Ranch talks about how their non-organic products compared with actual organic products. While I applaud them for not using hormones or antibiotics and treating their animals well, the reason why I chose only organic meats is that this is the only way to ensure that the animal is not fed any GMO-grain. Even the Niman grass fed beef is finished on grain which being non-organic could very well be GMO. I don't know whether GMO is a concern for the OP, but more and more evidence is coming out regarding it's dangers.

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                            Servorg Jun 28, 2011 10:41 AM

                            To be labeled "organic" the animals must consume at least 1/3 of their feed from pasture http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-02-13/news/17875128_1_organic-meat-organic-trade-association-pasture according to this article by SF Gate.Com To say that Niman Ranch meat is finished on GMO grain is not supported by anything I can find. Finally, whether GMO grain presents ANY risk to humans is still being investigated, with very little hard scientific evidence that supports the allegation. But to go another step and say that there are health risks to humans who consume meat from animals that may have been feed GMO grain is simply without foundation.

                            I think Norman Borlaug, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_B... the Nobel prize winning scientist working in the field of agronomy said it best when he was quoted on this subject as follows:

                            "A good example to illustrate is the case of the common mushroom that most of us like to have with our steak or gravy. There are two [toxins] present in minute quantity. But if you isolate those, like Dr. Ames has, increase the dosage and incorporate it in the feed of rats, it's a beautiful carcinogen. Why don't we get [cancer from eating these mushrooms]? Simple reason is that we don't eat kilos each day of mushrooms. So dosage really makes the toxin or carcinogen. There's no zero risk in the biological world. ... "

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                              libra20 Jun 28, 2011 11:35 AM

                              Hi Servorg. The following quote is directly off the Niman Ranch website. "Our cattle are provided with ample grazing room, where they are raised on pasture and then finished on grain." Here is the link. This quote is from the first sentence of the second paragraph. http://www.nimanranch.com/beef.aspx Unless grain is organic it most likely contains GMOs since most estimates place over 70% of all non-organic corn as genetically modified and over 90% of soy is genetically modified. Both of these are used in animal feed. So, statistically speaking, it is very likely that the grain being used is GMO.

                              There are studies regarding GMOs and the dangers, they are not reported as comprehensively because most of the current studies have ties to industry.

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                                Servorg Jun 28, 2011 12:13 PM

                                "There are studies regarding GMOs and the dangers, they are not reported as comprehensively because most of the current studies have ties to industry."

                                Lots of heat on this subject and very little light. And again, I can't find any studies that look even remotely legitimate that purport to show ANY danger to humans from eating an animal after IT (the animal) has consumed GMO grain.

                                1. re: Servorg
                                  westsidegal Jun 29, 2011 03:38 PM

                                  servorg,
                                  much of the gmo grain is modified to allow it to survive being exposed to huge amounts of Roundup (organophosphates).
                                  these GMO grains are typically called "Roundup Ready" grains.
                                  "normal" or non-modified grain would die of such exposure levels.
                                  there is ample evidence that Roundup exposure is not beneficial, and, indeed, is harmful to human beings.
                                  nobody is making you or even asking you to eschew Roundup or GMO grains or the meat that results from feeding such grain to animals.
                                  what pkts (the op) WAS asking for, was help in sourcing organic meat, not your take on his/her choice.
                                  also, although, as you state, dosage is very important in terms of a group's exposure to a carcinogen, if YOU are the member of the group that comes up with the disease, at that point the whole dosage argument starts to pale in importance.

                                  1. re: westsidegal
                                    Servorg Jun 29, 2011 03:42 PM

                                    "what pkts (the op) WAS asking for, was help in sourcing organic meat, not your take on his/her choice."

                                    Which I provided in my first reply in this thread. I was then responding to a different poster, "libra20" who seems to believe that there is some possible danger to humans from consuming animals that have (possibly) been fed GMO grain. Is that not clear in the trail of my posts above? Maybe it is time for that visit to the eye doctor after all? ;-D>

                                    1. re: Servorg
                                      westsidegal Jun 29, 2011 04:33 PM

                                      you're right in that i didn't realize that you were no longer responding to pkts and that you were, in fact, responding to libra20.
                                      apologies on that issue.
                                      fwiw, i do understand, though, why libra20, too, could rationally choose to avoid eating GMO-fed animals.
                                      we all make choices about what health risks we want to take at any given time and how much weight we give to the various risks out there: you, me, libra20, and pkts.

                                      on this board, i try to be respectful of the choices being make by these members.

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                                        pkts Jun 29, 2011 09:33 PM

                                        I think this whole discussion has been wonderfully civil. There's hope for the internet ! I look for organic because it also encapsulates a lack of antibiotics and hormones and that is what is the most important to me. This whole thread has been very informative, thanks!

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                                JudiAU Jul 4, 2011 01:31 PM

                                Any soy or corn that is not organic and / or not-GMO should absolutely assumed to be GMO, You can prefer it or not but unless they claim one of those things it is GMO.

                          2. katydid13 Jun 28, 2011 09:05 AM

                            I believe Cheebo (on Sunset) would fit the bill. I've only ever had their pizza, which is tasty, but I can't vouch for anything else on the menu.

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                            Cheebo
                            7533 W Sunset Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90046

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                              Ringo Gato Jun 27, 2011 09:47 PM

                              I don't have a restaurant recommendation but suggest you contact Lindner Bison at
                              http://www.lindnerbison.com/index.html
                              I buy their products at my local farmers' market and I believe there is a restaurant in Santa Monica (as well as one in Santa Barbara) that serves their meats. There products are free range, grass fed but probably not certified organic.

                              Grass fed, free range meats are unlikely to be from animals that had hormones or antibiotics. The organic designation tells you the animals' feed was organic but, more likely than not, they were finished with grains (corn, wheat) and soy which are not part of their normal diet, but they are used because they make the animals fatten up fast. Grains and beans in feed tend to make the cows ill, at which point conventional operations give them drugs (plus the drugs fatten them faster). Grass fed, free range animals don't as a rule, get ill as a group and grow slowly (no hormones).

                              Grain fed beef, whether organic or factory farmed, have unhealthy characteristics with regard to fat content (too much), fat profile (excess omega-6, deficient omega-3 and no CLA). The cows eat a diet that pushes them into a pro-inflammatory state.

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                                westsidegal Jun 27, 2011 10:55 PM

                                ringo,
                                fwiw, even if the cows are not ill, the "conventional" operations feed them antibiotics at sub-therapeutic dosages just to attain the additional weight gain.

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                                  JudiAU Jul 4, 2011 01:34 PM

                                  Library Alehouse in Santa Monica offers a Lindner Bison burger.

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                                  Library Alehouse
                                  2911 Main St, Santa Monica, CA 90405

                                2. goodhealthgourmet Jun 27, 2011 09:43 PM

                                  places to look into:
                                  Bloom Cafe
                                  O! Burger
                                  Salt's Cure
                                  A Votre Sante
                                  True Food Kitchen

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                                  A Votre Sante
                                  13016 San Vicente Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90049

                                  Salt's Cure
                                  7494 Santa Monica Blvd, West Hollywood, CA 90046

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                                    libra20 Jun 28, 2011 08:14 AM

                                    Yes, O! burger has beef and turkey burgers as well as hot dogs. Everything is organic.

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                                    O! burger
                                    8593 Santa Monica Blvd, West Hollywood, CA 90069

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                                      pkts Jun 28, 2011 09:25 AM

                                      Wow, thanks! More suggestions than I could have hoped for!

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                                        goodhealthgourmet Jun 28, 2011 01:24 PM

                                        you're welcome! there are other, more pricy options too, but you specifically asked for "casual" so i didn't bother including them.

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                                          libra20 Jun 28, 2011 02:28 PM

                                          I'd love to hear some more options :)

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                                            goodhealthgourmet Jun 28, 2011 02:41 PM

                                            as mentioned by other posters, Inn of the Seventh Ray & Jiraffe.

                                            other possibilities:
                                            - Restaurant 2117
                                            - BOA Steakhouse
                                            - Craft

                                            note: most of the meat at BOA & Craft isn't organic, but BOA does offer an organic NY Strip, and Craft usually has at least one or two organic meats on the menu a a given time - depends on the season and where they're sourcing at the moment.

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                                            Jiraffe Restaurant
                                            502 Santa Monica Blvd., Santa Monica, CA 90401

                                            Restaurant 2117
                                            2117 Sawtelle Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90025

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                                              libra20 Jun 28, 2011 03:51 PM

                                              Thank you!!

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                                                goodhealthgourmet Jun 28, 2011 06:02 PM

                                                always happy to help :)

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                                      libra20 Jun 27, 2011 09:24 PM

                                      Akasha has an organic turkey burger. What is GTA?

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                                      Akasha
                                      9543 Culver Blvd, Culver City, CA 90232

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                                        AAQjr Jun 28, 2011 09:08 AM

                                        the new Gjelina Take Away. The G ver of Mozza to go...

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                                        Gjelina
                                        1429 Abbot Kinney Blvd, Venice, CA 90291

                                      2. wienermobile Jun 27, 2011 07:44 AM

                                        No counter here but try Paul Martin's in El Segundo. Organic, Sustainable and Local with plates priced mostly between $10 and $22.
                                        http://www.paulmartinsamericanbistro....

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                                        Paul Martin's American Bistro
                                        2361 Rosecrans Avenue, Suite 180, El Segundo, CA 90245

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                                          libra20 Jun 27, 2011 09:26 PM

                                          I went on their website. From what I could see, the meat was "natural" or "free range" but not organic.

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