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NFNS 6/26/11 spoilers

Not really surprised that Justin with the holes in his ears (B? or D?) went. A good cook but not able to perform on camera. Penny is fixing to be the most unliked person on the show. Orchid's personality is decreasing as is Whitney's.

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  1. Penny referred to herself as a cougar. I don't think a woman should say that about herself, that's something that should be bestowed upon her by someone else.

    I agree that Penny is not all that likeable on this program. Editing can have a lot to do with it too. I wonder what she is thinking now as it is being telecast compared to how she felt about it as they were producing the show. A couple years ago there was an obnoxious contestant on TNFNS that almost made it to the finals, Debbie Lee. Did you know she is Korean?

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    1. re: John E.

      A couple years ago there was an obnoxious contestant on TNFNS that almost made it to the finals, Debbie Lee. Did you know she is Korean?
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      Had to laugh at that one. She wasn't really obnoxious but she did always tell people she's Korean.

      1. re: John E.

        The producers LOVE having Penny in the mix. The longer she is there, the more the controversy; the more we talk about her; the longer these threads. She is the internal conflict that keeps the show interesting. They cast her because of her arrogance and attitude. She won't win, but she keeps rating up.

          1. re: chicgail

            I know this but she is becoming too much for me. I almost don't want to watch it anymore since she is such a total turn off.

            1. re: chicgail

              Makes you want to get up and SMACK the TV - I love it!

          2. I'll comment on this thread since it was started first. I really thought the other Justin was gonna go home. His food wasn't good for either round and they don't seem to like anything about him other than his glasses. Plus they talked about 10 boxes of quinoa before going to the store too, don't know how he made that mistake. The tall Justin was one of the better cooks, altho last nite's dish didn't really cut it. I was surprised they thought Mary Beth was so great. I agreed with Orchid's view of Chris "meaning well" and he seems to be getting it together a little bit.

            Why does John E. think Debbie from last year was obnoxious? She was a little over bubbly so if you don't like that, but I'd never call her obnoxious. Unless I'm confusing her with someone else.

            What was up with those weird long forks they were using? At first I thought it was chopsticks but I don't think so.

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            1. re: Joanie

              I like Orchid and how she dealt w/ Chris--there was nothing like the cattiness between other contestants. She seems even keeled enough to have her own show. I don't like Mary Beth, either--a little too much like Melissa, previous winner with the mom cooking and a little too forced overenthusiastic.

              LOL, I thought the same thing about those forks! It's like they were looking for a fondue or something.

              1. re: Joanie

                Because Debbie was obnoxious and backstabbing, she was just more subtle about it than Penny is.

                1. re: rasputina

                  Please remind me what she did that was obnoxious and backstabbing. I don't pay 100% attention to these shows but don't remember her seeming like that at all.

                  1. re: Joanie

                    I don't think Debbie was outwardly obnoxious, but I remember that Debbie flat out lied about stuff, that's where the backstabbing comment comes from, I'm sure. I can't remember the circumstances, though. Just googled and quickly came up with this: http://foodnetworkhumor.com/2009/06/f...

                    I was sorry that Penny didn't go home last night.

                      1. re: LurkerDan

                        Yes, I remember some flat out lying where she was caught on camera doing what she claimed she didn't and that she was never called on it by the judges. I can't remember the exact circumstance now a year + later though.

                      2. re: Joanie

                        Maybe I should have described her as annoying rather than obnoxious. It annoyed me that on every camera challenge she told us she was Korean (she sometimes said it more than once in 60 seconds..'Yes Debbie, we can see that you are Korean. I probably would not have found it annoying if she were likeable, but I didn't see her in that way. She had trouble fessing up when asked direct questions. The angel food cake was one example, another was late in the show when she was listing the ingredients in her dishes for the judges, she forgot to put an ingredient in her dish, but told them it was in the dish anyway. There are other examples but I cannot come up with them right now. I think her problem was less about her being dishonest and more about her inability to admit her mistakes and have herself look bad.

                        1. re: John E.

                          There was also one time where she explained away tough meat by saying that koreans liked to eat their meat tough.

                          1. re: LurkerDan

                            I remember that, too. Tough meat is not good in any cuisine. Another cheftestant on Top Chef described his dish as "toothsome" when he undercooked it.
                            That didn't fly either.

                            1. re: monavano

                              Koreans do like their meat tough though.

                              1. re: joonjoon

                                Really?
                                If so, that would explain why the beef galbi I've gotten at more than one place has been so chewy and, yes, tough. I find it largely inedible and when I do get it (rarely) I have to pick through it to get SOME edible meat off the ribs while shaking my head at being charged so much for such nasty meat even if the marinade is tasty.

                                1. re: huiray

                                  I'm not sure what you're asking Huiray - I said Koreans like their meat tough and you asked me to explain why Korean meat is tough? Aren't we in agreement?

                                  By the way, the meat should be chewy, not inedible.

                                  1. re: joonjoon

                                    jj, I was just remarking on the meat being tough, not asking a question of you - so yes, we are in agreement. (Perhaps you misinterpreted the common expression "Really?" that I used) As for the "degree of chewiness" the galbi I've gotten on more than one occasion was truly so chewy as to be pretty inedible - to me, anyway.

                                    1. re: huiray

                                      I have no idea but I swear the first time I read your post it didn't make sense to me. :D

                                      But yes, Koreans really don't like their meat to be tender. My mom tells me that no one used to like tenderloin because they thought it was too mushy. I always got the sense that Koreans like to *battle* with their food, practically everything on the menu is either molten lava hot, icy cold, bright red and spicy, super salty, or ridiculously chewy.

                  2. I think Justin with the glasses should have gone home. The judges keep saying that he is a smart guy, but he has done nothing to show he is smart or clever. In fact he is kind of dull and air-headed. The only reason they think he is smart is because of the glasses! I was rooting for Justin with the ears; however, his closing remarks really turned me off to him. They almost seemed out of character, maybe the stress got to him.

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                    1. re: AmblerGirl

                      I agree. I can't remember anything about Justin with the glasses but nothing he did seemed wonderful. And, I had liked Justin with the holes until his closing remarks. Does he realize he auditioned for Food Network Stars, and not Chopped? I can't imagine how he'd deal w/ the persnickety nature of being a brand. I think FTV knew that, too.

                      1. re: chowser

                        While Glasses Justin is struggling with his inspiration for food, there is at least some inkling that he has the personality to lead a show.

                        Scary Justin hasnt offered anything in terms of star power; while his food has generally been above board, he's had several chances to shine in front of camera. Instead, yesterday, we saw exactly the same presentation he had given before. I agree with the decision.

                        Penny seems to think she's on Survivor - Food Island. The level of cattiness and paranoai has reached a level where it is distracting (both for her and the viewer).

                        1. re: ooroger

                          I don't think either Justin was going to win. The only question was who would last longer.

                          If Penny doesn't get along with anyone, how will she deal w/ being friendly and personable to the general public? If Food TV knows anything, it's how to pick someone who is likeable to the general public and that's not Penny.

                    2. All I can say is I can't wait for next week after that preview with Jyll telling Penny she is the most entitled person she has ever met. You go girl!

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                      1. re: rasputina

                        I'm just shallow enough to not wish for Jyll to win just because of the way she spells her name.

                        "Jyll, your name is Jill, quit doodling". (Maybe I should change my name to Jawn).

                        1. re: John E.

                          Shouldn't we blame her parents for that though?

                          1. re: rasputina

                            agreed rasputina. not her fault.
                            but also agree that the spelling is painful. ;)

                            1. re: AMFM

                              The way Jyl bothers you (whether that was her spelling or her parents' spelling), but Vic Vegas is ok? Methinks Vic Vegas is not on that dude's birth certificate.

                              1. re: chicgail

                                By the way, the Vig Vegas thing bugs me too. I posted that somewhere on these threads early on, but I do kind of like Vic. If he wins, it would not surprise me if he loses the 'Vegas'. Remember 'Aarti Paarti'?

                                1. re: John E.

                                  I like Aarti Party, she is coming back with her third set of shows since she won last year.

                                  I liked the original spelling better though.

                                    1. re: rasputina

                                      I've never seen it. I suppose if I were actually interested in watching it, I would seek it out. I don't watch the shows of the last three winners, they just do not interest me. I wouldn't mind an actual so-called 'stand and stir' show in primetime, but apparently they don't get high enough ratings or lack viewers not interested in the actual cooking rather than eating like most of the evening 30 minute shows on FN.

                                      1. re: John E.

                                        oh - it just wasn't the topic. think vic vegas sounds ridiculous too. :)

                                    2. re: John E.

                                      His name as clearly listed on his foodnetwork,com profile page is Vic "Vegas" Moea. "Vegas" is his nickname, incorporated into his name in the usual format seen when someone has such a moniker. I don't know where people get the idea from that 'Vic Vegas' is his entire actual name.
                                      http://www.foodnetwork.com/vic-vegas-...

                                      1. re: huiray

                                        I'm not certain anyone actually thought Vegas was his true surname.

                                        1. re: John E.

                                          Then lets all ease up on the 'Vic Vegas' meme.

                                          1. re: huiray

                                            I just re-read this thread and did not see a single post where someone indicated they thought Vegas was his real last name, let alone 'going on'.

                                            1. re: John E.

                                              Various posters, including yourself, had been referring to him as 'Vic Vegas' and saying how his name, 'Vic Vegas', was irritating. A poster above opined that 'Vic Vegas' does not appear on his birth certificate. Yet his name, as posted on foodnetwork itself, is Vic "Vegas" Moea, which is significantly different from saying his name is 'Vic Vegas' and making comments upon his name as so cited, namely 'Vic Vegas'. In normal usage in the Western world if someone's entire name is cited as 'Vic Vegas' his last name would then be taken to be 'Vegas'.

                                              1. re: huiray

                                                That may be how Food Network is posting his name on their site, but he is referred to on the show as Vic Vegas and, in fact, has called himself that. Without doing further research, why would any viewer think he called himself or was known as anything other than that?

                                                1. re: chicgail

                                                  You have a point, but I would counter that contestants on the show, just as in previous/other "reality-so-called-cooking" shows like Top Chef etc, have been referred to onscreen in that typical faux-friendly style as 'Angelo' (TC), 'Justin', 'Penny', 'Kenny' (TC) etc - so why shouldn't 'Vic Vegas' be thought of as the moniker for him equivalent to the single-word monikers for the others e.g. 'Penny' ? I don't recall Angelo (TC) ever being referred to on-screen as 'Angelo Sosa'. Has Penny been referred to on-screen as 'Penny Davidi' ? To me the issue is that the impression I get from the discussion is that 'Vic Vegas' is his only name when, of course, it is not true. (There was also a query further below as to if 'Vic Vegas' had a real name)

                                                  I would venture that 'Vic Vegas' has an equivalent in the moniker 'Kenny The Beast' (TC) that Kenny Gilbert acquired on TC. For myself, I wouldn't assume that the moniker I hear on these reality shows are their complete/full names but would look on their profile pages almost as a matter of course for their actual names.

                                                  ::Shrug:: T'is all a storm in a teacup, the arm-waving above. Not earth-shattering. :-)

                                                  1. re: huiray

                                                    Yep. Tempest in a teapot. It was me who was confused by the moniker.

                                                2. re: huiray

                                                  You seem to be taking this more seriously than I intended. My point is that it disn't seem like anyobody on this thread, chicgaill included, thought Vegas was his actual last name.

                                                  1. re: John E.

                                                    Yep, I sure did. I knew it wasn't the name he was born with, but I really thought it was the name he used. Apparently I am not only naive and gullible, I am a bit of a dweeb. I hang my head before you.

                                                    1. re: chicgail

                                                      Apparently, it 'is' the name that he uses. I used to know a lot of guys in the broadcasting business that used 'airnames' and it is amazing the number of people that think it is their real name. I know one guy who actually ended up legally changing his name to his radio name.

                                  1. re: rasputina

                                    Maybe, but I have a cousin who spells her name Beki (Becky) and it was not her parents doing. I was mostly attempting humor with my post.

                                  2. re: John E.

                                    It's not the spelling of the name that bothers me, it's her catering company name "Jyllicious Bites" that does. She had no choice in her name but she must have thought that was sooo clever.

                                  3. re: rasputina

                                    Was that who she was talking to? I couldn't tell for sure. i thought they edited it that way on purpose.

                                    1. re: rasputina

                                      You don't know that Jyll is saying that to Penny. Could be clever editing.

                                    2. I think Penny is grotesque.

                                      She's too busy trashing Mary Beth and deriding the others to see, smell or taste burned cheese ??

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                                      1. re: C. Hamster

                                        That is weird. How is everyone able to smell/taste the burnng cheese but Penny?

                                        1. re: Worldwide Diner

                                          Maybe her ego was too big for her to think she might not have a great dish. Did you see the shocked look on her face when she was told that--priceless. Everyone else probably laughed about it behind her back and watched her fail.

                                          1. re: Worldwide Diner

                                            It also LOOKED burned. They showed a shot of it after the "WHATS BURNING?" yelling and her cheese sauce was discolored.

                                            Burning or even browning cheese smells very distinctive. Good cooks would identify it as cheese.

                                            Since she didn't think it tasted burned, she didn't taste it enough when she was making it.

                                            I was sorry not to see her go.

                                            1. re: Worldwide Diner

                                              Yeah, and what about previous episodes in which when something got ruined, the contestant freaked because they'd have to remake it or substitute? Funny how Penny didn't have that situation. That was a *TON* of cheese sauce she'd have to remake. Makes you think.

                                              Also, rule of kitchen is to taste everything that comes out of it.

                                              1. re: pdxgastro

                                                "Also, rule of kitchen is to taste everything that comes out of it."

                                                That's why it was laughable when Penny accused Chris of throwing her under the bus by pointing out that someone said the cheese sauce was burnt. Whether someone said it or not is irrelevant. She should have known. Who makes mac and cheese and doesn't try the cheese sauce? I think it's the reason I make mac and cheese!

                                                1. re: chowser

                                                  Yes, as in 'would you like some macaroni with that cheese sauce?' and 'would you like some broccoli with that cheese sauce?'.