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smartie Jun 26, 2011 08:16 PM

Not really surprised that Justin with the holes in his ears (B? or D?) went. A good cook but not able to perform on camera. Penny is fixing to be the most unliked person on the show. Orchid's personality is decreasing as is Whitney's.

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  1. John E. RE: smartie Jun 26, 2011 09:39 PM

    Penny referred to herself as a cougar. I don't think a woman should say that about herself, that's something that should be bestowed upon her by someone else.

    I agree that Penny is not all that likeable on this program. Editing can have a lot to do with it too. I wonder what she is thinking now as it is being telecast compared to how she felt about it as they were producing the show. A couple years ago there was an obnoxious contestant on TNFNS that almost made it to the finals, Debbie Lee. Did you know she is Korean?

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    1. re: John E.
      Worldwide Diner RE: John E. Jun 27, 2011 07:20 AM

      A couple years ago there was an obnoxious contestant on TNFNS that almost made it to the finals, Debbie Lee. Did you know she is Korean?
      Had to laugh at that one. She wasn't really obnoxious but she did always tell people she's Korean.

      1. re: John E.
        chicgail RE: John E. Jun 28, 2011 04:25 AM

        The producers LOVE having Penny in the mix. The longer she is there, the more the controversy; the more we talk about her; the longer these threads. She is the internal conflict that keeps the show interesting. They cast her because of her arrogance and attitude. She won't win, but she keeps rating up.

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          DiningDiva RE: chicgail Jun 28, 2011 06:23 AM


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            C. Hamster RE: chicgail Jun 28, 2011 08:29 AM

            I know this but she is becoming too much for me. I almost don't want to watch it anymore since she is such a total turn off.

            1. re: chicgail
              Brock Lee Robb RE: chicgail Jul 1, 2011 05:18 AM

              Makes you want to get up and SMACK the TV - I love it!

          2. Joanie RE: smartie Jun 27, 2011 04:38 AM

            I'll comment on this thread since it was started first. I really thought the other Justin was gonna go home. His food wasn't good for either round and they don't seem to like anything about him other than his glasses. Plus they talked about 10 boxes of quinoa before going to the store too, don't know how he made that mistake. The tall Justin was one of the better cooks, altho last nite's dish didn't really cut it. I was surprised they thought Mary Beth was so great. I agreed with Orchid's view of Chris "meaning well" and he seems to be getting it together a little bit.

            Why does John E. think Debbie from last year was obnoxious? She was a little over bubbly so if you don't like that, but I'd never call her obnoxious. Unless I'm confusing her with someone else.

            What was up with those weird long forks they were using? At first I thought it was chopsticks but I don't think so.

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            1. re: Joanie
              chowser RE: Joanie Jun 27, 2011 05:58 AM

              I like Orchid and how she dealt w/ Chris--there was nothing like the cattiness between other contestants. She seems even keeled enough to have her own show. I don't like Mary Beth, either--a little too much like Melissa, previous winner with the mom cooking and a little too forced overenthusiastic.

              LOL, I thought the same thing about those forks! It's like they were looking for a fondue or something.

              1. re: Joanie
                rasputina RE: Joanie Jun 27, 2011 06:13 AM

                Because Debbie was obnoxious and backstabbing, she was just more subtle about it than Penny is.

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                  Joanie RE: rasputina Jun 27, 2011 06:16 AM

                  Please remind me what she did that was obnoxious and backstabbing. I don't pay 100% attention to these shows but don't remember her seeming like that at all.

                  1. re: Joanie
                    LurkerDan RE: Joanie Jun 27, 2011 08:02 AM

                    I don't think Debbie was outwardly obnoxious, but I remember that Debbie flat out lied about stuff, that's where the backstabbing comment comes from, I'm sure. I can't remember the circumstances, though. Just googled and quickly came up with this: http://foodnetworkhumor.com/2009/06/f...

                    I was sorry that Penny didn't go home last night.

                    1. re: LurkerDan
                      huiray RE: LurkerDan Jun 27, 2011 08:43 AM

                      Some links:
                      (note: "asian woman" or "asian lady" in various posts/threads refer to her even if her name was not specifically used)

                      On TWoP, start with post #6215 on TNFNS thread (try this as an entry point: http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.c... ) and go on from there. :-)

                      1. re: LurkerDan
                        rasputina RE: LurkerDan Jun 27, 2011 02:19 PM

                        Yes, I remember some flat out lying where she was caught on camera doing what she claimed she didn't and that she was never called on it by the judges. I can't remember the exact circumstance now a year + later though.

                      2. re: Joanie
                        John E. RE: Joanie Jun 27, 2011 08:34 AM

                        Maybe I should have described her as annoying rather than obnoxious. It annoyed me that on every camera challenge she told us she was Korean (she sometimes said it more than once in 60 seconds..'Yes Debbie, we can see that you are Korean. I probably would not have found it annoying if she were likeable, but I didn't see her in that way. She had trouble fessing up when asked direct questions. The angel food cake was one example, another was late in the show when she was listing the ingredients in her dishes for the judges, she forgot to put an ingredient in her dish, but told them it was in the dish anyway. There are other examples but I cannot come up with them right now. I think her problem was less about her being dishonest and more about her inability to admit her mistakes and have herself look bad.

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                          LurkerDan RE: John E. Jun 27, 2011 08:47 AM

                          There was also one time where she explained away tough meat by saying that koreans liked to eat their meat tough.

                          1. re: LurkerDan
                            monavano RE: LurkerDan Jun 27, 2011 09:11 AM

                            I remember that, too. Tough meat is not good in any cuisine. Another cheftestant on Top Chef described his dish as "toothsome" when he undercooked it.
                            That didn't fly either.

                            1. re: monavano
                              joonjoon RE: monavano Jun 28, 2011 03:11 PM

                              Koreans do like their meat tough though.

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                                huiray RE: joonjoon Jun 28, 2011 03:29 PM

                                If so, that would explain why the beef galbi I've gotten at more than one place has been so chewy and, yes, tough. I find it largely inedible and when I do get it (rarely) I have to pick through it to get SOME edible meat off the ribs while shaking my head at being charged so much for such nasty meat even if the marinade is tasty.

                                1. re: huiray
                                  joonjoon RE: huiray Jun 28, 2011 04:27 PM

                                  I'm not sure what you're asking Huiray - I said Koreans like their meat tough and you asked me to explain why Korean meat is tough? Aren't we in agreement?

                                  By the way, the meat should be chewy, not inedible.

                                  1. re: joonjoon
                                    huiray RE: joonjoon Jun 28, 2011 04:36 PM

                                    jj, I was just remarking on the meat being tough, not asking a question of you - so yes, we are in agreement. (Perhaps you misinterpreted the common expression "Really?" that I used) As for the "degree of chewiness" the galbi I've gotten on more than one occasion was truly so chewy as to be pretty inedible - to me, anyway.

                                    1. re: huiray
                                      joonjoon RE: huiray Jun 28, 2011 08:34 PM

                                      I have no idea but I swear the first time I read your post it didn't make sense to me. :D

                                      But yes, Koreans really don't like their meat to be tender. My mom tells me that no one used to like tenderloin because they thought it was too mushy. I always got the sense that Koreans like to *battle* with their food, practically everything on the menu is either molten lava hot, icy cold, bright red and spicy, super salty, or ridiculously chewy.

                  2. AmblerGirl RE: smartie Jun 27, 2011 04:53 AM

                    I think Justin with the glasses should have gone home. The judges keep saying that he is a smart guy, but he has done nothing to show he is smart or clever. In fact he is kind of dull and air-headed. The only reason they think he is smart is because of the glasses! I was rooting for Justin with the ears; however, his closing remarks really turned me off to him. They almost seemed out of character, maybe the stress got to him.

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                    1. re: AmblerGirl
                      chowser RE: AmblerGirl Jun 27, 2011 05:56 AM

                      I agree. I can't remember anything about Justin with the glasses but nothing he did seemed wonderful. And, I had liked Justin with the holes until his closing remarks. Does he realize he auditioned for Food Network Stars, and not Chopped? I can't imagine how he'd deal w/ the persnickety nature of being a brand. I think FTV knew that, too.

                      1. re: chowser
                        ooroger RE: chowser Jun 27, 2011 06:10 AM

                        While Glasses Justin is struggling with his inspiration for food, there is at least some inkling that he has the personality to lead a show.

                        Scary Justin hasnt offered anything in terms of star power; while his food has generally been above board, he's had several chances to shine in front of camera. Instead, yesterday, we saw exactly the same presentation he had given before. I agree with the decision.

                        Penny seems to think she's on Survivor - Food Island. The level of cattiness and paranoai has reached a level where it is distracting (both for her and the viewer).

                        1. re: ooroger
                          chowser RE: ooroger Jun 27, 2011 06:16 AM

                          I don't think either Justin was going to win. The only question was who would last longer.

                          If Penny doesn't get along with anyone, how will she deal w/ being friendly and personable to the general public? If Food TV knows anything, it's how to pick someone who is likeable to the general public and that's not Penny.

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                      rasputina RE: smartie Jun 27, 2011 06:11 AM

                      All I can say is I can't wait for next week after that preview with Jyll telling Penny she is the most entitled person she has ever met. You go girl!

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                      1. re: rasputina
                        John E. RE: rasputina Jun 27, 2011 08:38 AM

                        I'm just shallow enough to not wish for Jyll to win just because of the way she spells her name.

                        "Jyll, your name is Jill, quit doodling". (Maybe I should change my name to Jawn).

                        1. re: John E.
                          rasputina RE: John E. Jun 27, 2011 02:21 PM

                          Shouldn't we blame her parents for that though?

                          1. re: rasputina
                            AMFM RE: rasputina Jun 27, 2011 05:15 PM

                            agreed rasputina. not her fault.
                            but also agree that the spelling is painful. ;)

                            1. re: AMFM
                              chicgail RE: AMFM Jun 28, 2011 04:23 AM

                              The way Jyl bothers you (whether that was her spelling or her parents' spelling), but Vic Vegas is ok? Methinks Vic Vegas is not on that dude's birth certificate.

                              1. re: chicgail
                                John E. RE: chicgail Jun 28, 2011 07:57 AM

                                By the way, the Vig Vegas thing bugs me too. I posted that somewhere on these threads early on, but I do kind of like Vic. If he wins, it would not surprise me if he loses the 'Vegas'. Remember 'Aarti Paarti'?

                                1. re: John E.
                                  rasputina RE: John E. Jun 28, 2011 10:09 AM

                                  I like Aarti Party, she is coming back with her third set of shows since she won last year.

                                  I liked the original spelling better though.

                                  1. re: rasputina
                                    huiray RE: rasputina Jun 28, 2011 10:27 AM


                                    1. re: rasputina
                                      John E. RE: rasputina Jun 28, 2011 11:00 AM

                                      I've never seen it. I suppose if I were actually interested in watching it, I would seek it out. I don't watch the shows of the last three winners, they just do not interest me. I wouldn't mind an actual so-called 'stand and stir' show in primetime, but apparently they don't get high enough ratings or lack viewers not interested in the actual cooking rather than eating like most of the evening 30 minute shows on FN.

                                      1. re: John E.
                                        AMFM RE: John E. Jun 28, 2011 04:03 PM

                                        oh - it just wasn't the topic. think vic vegas sounds ridiculous too. :)

                                    2. re: John E.
                                      huiray RE: John E. Jun 28, 2011 06:47 PM

                                      His name as clearly listed on his foodnetwork,com profile page is Vic "Vegas" Moea. "Vegas" is his nickname, incorporated into his name in the usual format seen when someone has such a moniker. I don't know where people get the idea from that 'Vic Vegas' is his entire actual name.

                                      1. re: huiray
                                        John E. RE: huiray Jun 28, 2011 07:40 PM

                                        I'm not certain anyone actually thought Vegas was his true surname.

                                        1. re: John E.
                                          huiray RE: John E. Jun 28, 2011 08:07 PM

                                          Then lets all ease up on the 'Vic Vegas' meme.

                                          1. re: huiray
                                            John E. RE: huiray Jun 28, 2011 08:30 PM

                                            I just re-read this thread and did not see a single post where someone indicated they thought Vegas was his real last name, let alone 'going on'.

                                            1. re: John E.
                                              huiray RE: John E. Jun 29, 2011 12:29 PM

                                              Various posters, including yourself, had been referring to him as 'Vic Vegas' and saying how his name, 'Vic Vegas', was irritating. A poster above opined that 'Vic Vegas' does not appear on his birth certificate. Yet his name, as posted on foodnetwork itself, is Vic "Vegas" Moea, which is significantly different from saying his name is 'Vic Vegas' and making comments upon his name as so cited, namely 'Vic Vegas'. In normal usage in the Western world if someone's entire name is cited as 'Vic Vegas' his last name would then be taken to be 'Vegas'.

                                              1. re: huiray
                                                chicgail RE: huiray Jun 29, 2011 01:32 PM

                                                That may be how Food Network is posting his name on their site, but he is referred to on the show as Vic Vegas and, in fact, has called himself that. Without doing further research, why would any viewer think he called himself or was known as anything other than that?

                                                1. re: chicgail
                                                  huiray RE: chicgail Jun 29, 2011 02:28 PM

                                                  You have a point, but I would counter that contestants on the show, just as in previous/other "reality-so-called-cooking" shows like Top Chef etc, have been referred to onscreen in that typical faux-friendly style as 'Angelo' (TC), 'Justin', 'Penny', 'Kenny' (TC) etc - so why shouldn't 'Vic Vegas' be thought of as the moniker for him equivalent to the single-word monikers for the others e.g. 'Penny' ? I don't recall Angelo (TC) ever being referred to on-screen as 'Angelo Sosa'. Has Penny been referred to on-screen as 'Penny Davidi' ? To me the issue is that the impression I get from the discussion is that 'Vic Vegas' is his only name when, of course, it is not true. (There was also a query further below as to if 'Vic Vegas' had a real name)

                                                  I would venture that 'Vic Vegas' has an equivalent in the moniker 'Kenny The Beast' (TC) that Kenny Gilbert acquired on TC. For myself, I wouldn't assume that the moniker I hear on these reality shows are their complete/full names but would look on their profile pages almost as a matter of course for their actual names.

                                                  ::Shrug:: T'is all a storm in a teacup, the arm-waving above. Not earth-shattering. :-)

                                                  1. re: huiray
                                                    chicgail RE: huiray Jun 29, 2011 03:29 PM

                                                    Yep. Tempest in a teapot. It was me who was confused by the moniker.

                                                2. re: huiray
                                                  John E. RE: huiray Jun 29, 2011 03:42 PM

                                                  You seem to be taking this more seriously than I intended. My point is that it disn't seem like anyobody on this thread, chicgaill included, thought Vegas was his actual last name.

                                                  1. re: John E.
                                                    chicgail RE: John E. Jun 29, 2011 05:25 PM

                                                    Yep, I sure did. I knew it wasn't the name he was born with, but I really thought it was the name he used. Apparently I am not only naive and gullible, I am a bit of a dweeb. I hang my head before you.

                                                    1. re: chicgail
                                                      John E. RE: chicgail Jun 29, 2011 05:41 PM

                                                      Apparently, it 'is' the name that he uses. I used to know a lot of guys in the broadcasting business that used 'airnames' and it is amazing the number of people that think it is their real name. I know one guy who actually ended up legally changing his name to his radio name.

                                  2. re: rasputina
                                    John E. RE: rasputina Jun 27, 2011 09:24 PM

                                    Maybe, but I have a cousin who spells her name Beki (Becky) and it was not her parents doing. I was mostly attempting humor with my post.

                                  3. re: John E.
                                    chowser RE: John E. Jun 29, 2011 03:43 PM

                                    It's not the spelling of the name that bothers me, it's her catering company name "Jyllicious Bites" that does. She had no choice in her name but she must have thought that was sooo clever.

                                  4. re: rasputina
                                    Shrinkrap RE: rasputina Jun 27, 2011 02:06 PM

                                    Was that who she was talking to? I couldn't tell for sure. i thought they edited it that way on purpose.

                                    1. re: rasputina
                                      pdxgastro RE: rasputina Jun 28, 2011 07:50 PM

                                      You don't know that Jyll is saying that to Penny. Could be clever editing.

                                    2. C. Hamster RE: smartie Jun 27, 2011 07:18 AM

                                      I think Penny is grotesque.

                                      She's too busy trashing Mary Beth and deriding the others to see, smell or taste burned cheese ??

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                                      1. re: C. Hamster
                                        Worldwide Diner RE: C. Hamster Jun 27, 2011 07:23 AM

                                        That is weird. How is everyone able to smell/taste the burnng cheese but Penny?

                                        1. re: Worldwide Diner
                                          chowser RE: Worldwide Diner Jun 27, 2011 07:46 AM

                                          Maybe her ego was too big for her to think she might not have a great dish. Did you see the shocked look on her face when she was told that--priceless. Everyone else probably laughed about it behind her back and watched her fail.

                                          1. re: Worldwide Diner
                                            C. Hamster RE: Worldwide Diner Jun 27, 2011 08:30 AM

                                            It also LOOKED burned. They showed a shot of it after the "WHATS BURNING?" yelling and her cheese sauce was discolored.

                                            Burning or even browning cheese smells very distinctive. Good cooks would identify it as cheese.

                                            Since she didn't think it tasted burned, she didn't taste it enough when she was making it.

                                            I was sorry not to see her go.

                                            1. re: Worldwide Diner
                                              pdxgastro RE: Worldwide Diner Jun 28, 2011 07:53 PM

                                              Yeah, and what about previous episodes in which when something got ruined, the contestant freaked because they'd have to remake it or substitute? Funny how Penny didn't have that situation. That was a *TON* of cheese sauce she'd have to remake. Makes you think.

                                              Also, rule of kitchen is to taste everything that comes out of it.

                                              1. re: pdxgastro
                                                chowser RE: pdxgastro Jun 29, 2011 05:37 AM

                                                "Also, rule of kitchen is to taste everything that comes out of it."

                                                That's why it was laughable when Penny accused Chris of throwing her under the bus by pointing out that someone said the cheese sauce was burnt. Whether someone said it or not is irrelevant. She should have known. Who makes mac and cheese and doesn't try the cheese sauce? I think it's the reason I make mac and cheese!

                                                1. re: chowser
                                                  pdxgastro RE: chowser Jun 29, 2011 05:00 PM

                                                  Yes, as in 'would you like some macaroni with that cheese sauce?' and 'would you like some broccoli with that cheese sauce?'.

                                          2. monavano RE: smartie Jun 27, 2011 08:07 AM

                                            I've never heard of burnt mac and cheese! Burnt is never subtle. Burnt is a throw it out or start all over kind of deal. If Penny's palate is that bad, she shouldn't be on TV teaching people how to cook.
                                            Justin was as interesting as watching paint dry. Worse yet, he has zero self awareness and was totally closed off. The fact that he was gobsmacked at his dismissal says it all.
                                            Loved how Tush just kept rolling along, like, OK.....BYE!!!!!! No coddling. No recriminations. No hesitation. Just hasta la vista baby!

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                                              Shrinkrap RE: monavano Jun 27, 2011 02:07 PM

                                              Wait! Who is Tush? Oh!!! Bob Tuschman!

                                              Was it he who likened "gauge" Justin to a waiter? Didn't realize it until he said it, but that was spot on! I too, was disappointing by how he handled it.

                                              1. re: Shrinkrap
                                                Joanie RE: Shrinkrap Jun 28, 2011 04:01 AM

                                                Yeah, when he mentioned the waiter thing, he hit the nail on the head. Justin was a big baby at the end.

                                                But did anyone else notice those weird long forks? Is this just something the sticks of Boston hasn't seen?

                                                1. re: Joanie
                                                  monavano RE: Joanie Jun 29, 2011 10:24 AM

                                                  Those forks were ridiculous! I kept looking like, wth????

                                            2. DiningDiva RE: smartie Jun 27, 2011 08:28 AM

                                              Penny is her own worst enemy. A couple weeks ago there was NOTHING on TV so I ended up watching the Chefography episode about Guy Fieri. During the part about his being a contestant on TNFNS someone made a comment (Bob or Suzie) that during the critique phase of each challenge, Guy listened to them. Guy said that after each critique he listed out their comments and studied them to see how he could improve. Penny doesn't take criticism well - even when deserved - and she doesn't listen.

                                              She's said from the beginning she has an agenda, and that is to win. She's holding so dear to her agenda that she can't see that perhaps her agenda needs some tweaking in order to work. Penny's take-no-prisoners approach to the show hasn't done much but alienate her from her fellow contestants and generate a WHOLE bunch of negative comments in on-line forums. She's got to know, somewhere, deep, down, underneath the 5lbs of cosmetics, that the Food Network isn't going to hire someone with that much negative baggage. Two words...high maintenance.

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                                              1. re: DiningDiva
                                                monavano RE: DiningDiva Jun 27, 2011 08:38 AM

                                                HA! Penny should focus on the kind of pancakes you eat, not the pancake on her fact. Her personality is atrocious- who wants to spend time with that?

                                                1. re: monavano
                                                  DiningDiva RE: monavano Jun 27, 2011 10:13 AM

                                                  Lisa Garza was kind of unlikeable at first, but she really could cook and by the end of the show I was kind of rooting for her to win even tho' it was pretty clear the judges were all for Aaron.

                                                  Pretty sure my position on Penny won't change if she stick around much longer :-D

                                                  1. re: DiningDiva
                                                    monavano RE: DiningDiva Jun 27, 2011 10:16 AM

                                                    She was a sharp cookie. Never warmed up the the heels in the kitchen tho!

                                                    1. re: DiningDiva
                                                      John E. RE: DiningDiva Jun 27, 2011 12:32 PM

                                                      On the Good ChNnel they had sort of a 'best of...' TNFNS and they showed clips of previous shows. Lisa Garza apparently is doing ok with a restaurant in Dallas. They also showed her singing, I had forgotten that. I too dudn't take to her at first with all the fashiony diva stuff but thought she was ok at the end.

                                                      1. re: DiningDiva
                                                        rasputina RE: DiningDiva Jun 27, 2011 02:29 PM

                                                        I agree, Lisa was a bit of a diva at first but by the end I liked her. She wasn't my first choice, but I would have at least given her show a chance.

                                                        1. re: DiningDiva
                                                          chowser RE: DiningDiva Jun 27, 2011 03:12 PM

                                                          I didn't like her a lot but like her even less after she was on Chopped and talked about how everyone told her she should have won her season. And, she proceeded to fail miserably in the first round, only plated deviled eggs and used nothing from the basket. I thought it was a riot, though, when the judges tried to make it seem like there was some shadow of a doubt that she might not go on by praising her deviled eggs profusely.

                                                      2. re: DiningDiva
                                                        rasputina RE: DiningDiva Jun 27, 2011 02:26 PM

                                                        I agree with the previous poster that she thinks she on survivor. She is so unlikeable that even if she managed to win her show would be a flop.

                                                      3. meadandale RE: smartie Jun 27, 2011 09:41 AM

                                                        Didn't see the very end. I tried recording this thing twice and it cut off the last few minutes both times.

                                                        What the...?

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                                                        1. re: meadandale
                                                          pine time RE: meadandale Jun 27, 2011 10:06 AM

                                                          Hey, me too. I thought it was my DVR being weird. In fact, had to come here to see who got cut.

                                                          1. re: pine time
                                                            monavano RE: pine time Jun 27, 2011 10:16 AM

                                                            It was a great ending. It was like "boom, you're gone".
                                                            Tushy used the axe!

                                                            1. re: monavano
                                                              John E. RE: monavano Jun 27, 2011 12:29 PM

                                                              Yea, usually when it comes time to send someone home out of three, the first name they say is the first one to be safe. I guess they decided to change it up to be more unpredictable. I think they mDe the right decision because that particular Jason (Justin?) could cook, but he could not ad lib his way out of a wet paper bag. Many years ago I was a radio announcer. I had to help train in a young man right out of broadcasting school. They stole his money because he too could not ad lib, not even his own name, he had to write everything down.

                                                            2. re: pine time
                                                              mdepsmom RE: pine time Jun 27, 2011 11:42 AM

                                                              Same here . . . also recorded it twice (my guide showed it was an hour show) and missed the ending. It was an hour and a half, so I'll be recording it yet a third time!

                                                            3. re: meadandale
                                                              MesaChow RE: meadandale Jun 27, 2011 11:21 AM

                                                              Same thing here. I missed the whole burnt cheese incident and the elimination. Recording it later in the week to get to see the last segment.

                                                              1. re: meadandale
                                                                NYCkaren RE: meadandale Jun 27, 2011 01:36 PM

                                                                I think Food Network screwed up. The TV listings had it as a 60-minute show but it was 90 minutes.

                                                                1. re: NYCkaren
                                                                  pine time RE: NYCkaren Jun 27, 2011 01:42 PM

                                                                  Yeah, I reset my DVR for a re-broadcast and manually said add 30 extra minutes. It's SUPPOSED to know the length of the show, but it goofs sometimes.

                                                                  1. re: NYCkaren
                                                                    MesaChow RE: NYCkaren Jun 28, 2011 10:51 AM

                                                                    That explains it. My second attempt to record it was also 60 minutes, but I've now found a 90 minute episode later in the week.

                                                                  2. re: meadandale
                                                                    rasputina RE: meadandale Jun 27, 2011 02:32 PM

                                                                    My tivo thought it was only an hour, luckily I was watching it with only a 30 minute delay to FF past commercials so when I was done, I just put it on live tv and rewound it back to see the final 1/2 hour.

                                                                    1. re: meadandale
                                                                      Kajikit RE: meadandale Jun 28, 2011 03:51 PM

                                                                      Our recording cut off before the last grouping presented their food... there was some kind of mix-up between the time that the tivo thought the show ended, and the time that it actually DID end. :( So frozen-faced Justin went home? Not surpised. He was so wooden in front of the camera that you could have told the audience it was Pinnochio up there.

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                                                                        pitagirl RE: Kajikit Jun 29, 2011 06:32 AM

                                                                        happened to me too ! :(

                                                                        1. re: pitagirl
                                                                          pine time RE: pitagirl Jun 29, 2011 12:30 PM

                                                                          Anybody know if the next episode is also 1 1/2 hours? I'm getting my DVR replaced tomorrow--just too many of these kinds of flaky things happening!

                                                                    2. Withnail42 RE: smartie Jun 28, 2011 02:39 PM

                                                                      Does 'Vic Vegas' have a real name?

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                                                                      1. re: Withnail42
                                                                        John E. RE: Withnail42 Jun 28, 2011 06:30 PM

                                                                        His name is Vic Moea. He is an executive chef for the kitchen at a Las Vegas hotel. Do not confuse him with Vegas Vic. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegas_Vic

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                                                                        joonjoon RE: smartie Jun 28, 2011 03:09 PM

                                                                        How is it possible that pretty much every "finalist" sucks and has almost no camera personality?

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                                                                          DiningDiva RE: joonjoon Jun 28, 2011 03:14 PM

                                                                          Because they've dumbed down the channel so far they're now playing to the lowest common denominator.

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                                                                            chowser RE: joonjoon Jun 29, 2011 03:45 PM

                                                                            Yeah, I realized the only reason I watch is because I want to see Penny not do well.

                                                                            Does anyone LOVE any of the contestants or wants to see any of their shows? This is why the next food network star winner usually isn't the next star.

                                                                            1. re: chowser
                                                                              DiningDiva RE: chowser Jun 29, 2011 05:24 PM

                                                                              And because no one watches their shows they have been reduced to shilling products for the FTV sponsors in ads that are force fed to the audience multiple times during a show. Tired of seeing Melissa whip up something using Johnsonville sausages and Aarti giving us a "tour" of what we missed at the South Beach Food/Wine Festival. The "star" is The Next Food Network" show, not the winner

                                                                              1. re: chowser
                                                                                Withnail42 RE: chowser Jun 30, 2011 05:24 AM

                                                                                I don't think anyone wants to see any of their shows. I think people watch because this 'contest' it is such a train wreck.

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                                                                                  chowser RE: Withnail42 Jun 30, 2011 08:56 AM

                                                                                  But, at the end, Food Network has to showcase an unlikeable/unwatchable person and put money behind that. You'd think they'd have a vested interest in finding another Guy Fieri, and not just some early morning, fill in the time slop bland personality. We can all walk away from the train wreck but FTV is stuck with the crash.

                                                                                  1. re: chowser
                                                                                    John E. RE: chowser Jun 30, 2011 09:29 AM

                                                                                    I bet if they had not gotten Fieri out of the second season TNFNS program likely would have ended a while ago. They're hoping lightening will strike twice and so far it has not happened.

                                                                                    1. re: John E.
                                                                                      LurkerDan RE: John E. Jun 30, 2011 10:40 AM

                                                                                      I disagree. The show itself is very successful, and through the show they create/develop talent that they can use to plug in holes. While sure, they'd love to land another Fieri, they have done just fine with many of the people who have won or been finalists. Remember, it's not just the shows that they host, it's having recognizable faces for the challenge shows they have, for "the best thing I ever ate", etc. I think creating a "stable" of cheap, generally likable, recognizable faces for their network is one of the goals of the show, and for that it has been successful.

                                                                                      1. re: LurkerDan
                                                                                        John E. RE: LurkerDan Jun 30, 2011 01:31 PM

                                                                                        You mean like Amy Finley?

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                                                                                          LurkerDan RE: John E. Jul 1, 2011 08:52 AM

                                                                                          So, I'm wrong because one winner of one season decided she didn't want to be on TV, and declined to do a second season?

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                                                                                            John E. RE: LurkerDan Jul 1, 2011 03:57 PM

                                                                                            Not necessarily. But it is my opinion that the only reason TNFNS is still on is because they are really hoping for another Fieri. I realize they have programming hours to fill, but if he is taken out of the equation, I believe there are better ways to find suitable hosts while you do not. It's not a big deal.

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                                                                                              paulj RE: John E. Jul 1, 2011 04:33 PM

                                                                                              What is the revenue or viewership for TNFNS compared to DDD?

                                                                                              lists NFNS at .9, a bit below Swamp People, and well below Ice Road Truckers. (last Sunday). DDD on Wed. is .4 Chopped does a bit better on Tuesday (.5). Extreme Cuisine also appears on these lists.

                                                                                              1. re: paulj
                                                                                                John E. RE: paulj Jul 1, 2011 06:31 PM

                                                                                                I don't know specifics about revenue or viewership for TNFNS vs DDD. I do know that first run episides of DDD earn the highest ratings on the network.

                                                                                    2. re: chowser
                                                                                      chicgail RE: chowser Jun 30, 2011 10:04 AM

                                                                                      That's why they give these "winners" undesirable time slots like Sunday mornings to see if they can attract and build audiences.

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                                                                                        paulj RE: chicgail Jun 30, 2011 11:48 AM

                                                                                        Aren't those Sunday morning winner cooking shows based on their own ideas and produced in house? That might even apply to Guy's cooking show. In contrast shows like Outrageous are developed and produced by outside production companies, and NFNS runner up was hired as host. DDD is also an outside production.

                                                                                        For that matter NFNS itself is an outside production.

                                                                              2. jmckee RE: smartie Jun 29, 2011 08:23 AM

                                                                                His attitude was pretty crappy upon being told he was going home.

                                                                                Glad to see him go. Couldn't see him carrying a show on his own.

                                                                                Penny's next, God willin' and the crick don't rise.

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                                                                                  LurkerDan RE: jmckee Jun 29, 2011 09:02 AM

                                                                                  He made the mistake that many do, he thought it was a cooking competition. So he was shocked to be sent home because he knew he was a better cook than most on the show, and thought that would carry him through a few rounds until he got the camera thing down. But it's not really a cooking competition, how well you cook is just one part of the whole package.

                                                                                  1. re: LurkerDan
                                                                                    cowboyardee RE: LurkerDan Jul 1, 2011 06:19 AM

                                                                                    Cooking skill is one of the less important parts of this competition, at that.

                                                                                    If you cook well but aren't good in front of the camera, your fate will be the same as Justin's - they'll ax you as soon as you make something less-than-stellar - basically as soon as they have an excuse to do so and no one else f(&*ed up so egregiously that they absolutely have to go for the sake of the show's credibility.

                                                                                    But if you are good on TV but a poor cook, they'll look for reasons to keep you around, and when you finally do make something delicious 2/3 of the way through the season (even a blind squirrel...), they'll talk about it like it's some great turnaround, like you're destined for greatness now that you've added 'making edible food' to your repertoire.

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                                                                                      paulj RE: cowboyardee Jul 1, 2011 10:16 AM

                                                                                      Isn't that the way that chowhounders judge TV cooks? I see lots of rants about TV personas, and few raves about recipes or cooking skills or knowledge.

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                                                                                        chowser RE: paulj Jul 1, 2011 10:59 AM

                                                                                        TV cooks only have to be good actors/actresses when you come right down to it. They can be given the recipe, taught what to do. I think the whole contest, based on cooking skills, is misleading. The problem w/ TV cooks, in general, is that they're not chefs. Those who are, say Ming Tsai, Jacques Pepin, Mario Batali are given more respect for their recipes/cooking skills/knowledge. Sandra Lee, not so much.

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                                                                                          cowboyardee RE: paulj Jul 1, 2011 12:07 PM

                                                                                          Never said it wasn't. Being telegenic seems to be the most important part of being a TV cooking personality, whether the viewer is on CH or not. Example - Rachel Ray has millions of adoring fans. while her bona fides as a cook aren't really much more impressive than my own (I'm not complaining, though I believe we've had this conversation in another thread). Contrast that against Chopped - clear evidence that there is no shortage of talented, qualified, capable cooks who are terrible on camera and should never be given their own show. On camera, Thomas Keller comes off as cold and aloof; Charlie Trotter comes off as arrogant and surly. Regardless of their skills, their achievements, or how much those who work with them closely might like and respect them, these guys aren't getting TV shows anytime soon.

                                                                                          I do think that people on CH tend to be a little more critical of a celebrity 'chef's' lack of credentials or cooking skills than the general TV audience is. Certainly I am. But it still is and always will be secondary to whether the person is watchable in the first place.

                                                                                    2. re: jmckee
                                                                                      NYCkaren RE: jmckee Jun 29, 2011 10:29 AM

                                                                                      His attitude was crappy and he looked like a Vulcan. Mr. Spock's heavily tattooed son.

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                                                                                        rasputina RE: NYCkaren Jun 29, 2011 10:51 AM

                                                                                        LOL everytime I saw him I thought of Aladdin.

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                                                                                          NellyNel RE: NYCkaren Jun 29, 2011 11:33 AM

                                                                                          You are so right!

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                                                                                            AMFM RE: NellyNel Jun 30, 2011 03:12 PM

                                                                                            i kinda thought he was cute. i confess. he may've been, had he gotten it together (and i'm not convinced he couldn't have) the one i'd be most likely to watch. he could definitely cook. he knew food and fish and taking care of it/butchering, etc. things i could learn since i'm a decent cook but fish scares me. and he looked unique - unlike anything they've got on now but not cheesy and over the top like vic or the other justin or penny or maribeth who all come off as stereotypes - like paula deen or guy or the neely's or sandra lee. obviously what they like, but i just like smart cool people. he was it for me. oh well.

                                                                                            1. re: AMFM
                                                                                              NellyNel RE: AMFM Jul 1, 2011 06:24 AM

                                                                                              I read/posted this thread before I actually watched the episode.

                                                                                              After reading some of the comments, after his elimination, I was expecting to see a big meltdown, a hissy fit, and some bleeps!

                                                                                              I saw nothing of the kind...ok he was shocked and upset...but nothing like some of some of the comments here suggested.
                                                                                              I'm wondering if some of his exit interveiw was edited for the repeat?

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                                                                                                Joanie RE: NellyNel Jul 1, 2011 09:06 AM

                                                                                                I thought he sounded fairly bratty and assumed that's what others thought. There was no meltdown but he certainly didn't make a graceful exit.

                                                                                                1. re: Joanie
                                                                                                  jmckee RE: Joanie Jul 1, 2011 09:42 AM

                                                                                                  Exactly. it was one of those sullen "really?" kind of reactions. No class at all -- but looking at him you knew that.

                                                                                                  1. re: jmckee
                                                                                                    chowser RE: jmckee Jul 1, 2011 11:00 AM

                                                                                                    How could you tell by looking at him that he had no class? I thought he was full of himself at the end, but it had to do w/ his demeanor, not his appearance. If he appeared on TV, the way he did off camera, he might be the one contestant I'd watch. Cooking, butchering, fish monger. Interesting concept.

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                                                                                                  Shrinkrap RE: NellyNel Jul 1, 2011 10:59 AM

                                                                                                  Nah, just disappointing because I liked him, and expected something.... likable!

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                                                                                                    NellyNel RE: Shrinkrap Jul 5, 2011 08:42 AM

                                                                                                    Got cha.

                                                                                                    I kind of liked him too...but he obviously was clueless about how bad he really was in front of a camera!!

                                                                                        2. paulj RE: smartie Jul 1, 2011 07:03 PM

                                                                                          CC is showing a 'Best of NFNS' - a history and behind the scene look at the series.

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