If you could only eat products from ONE animal for the rest of your life...
What would it be?
For me it's a toss up between cows and chickens, but I think when it comes down to it, I'd pick chicken. It's a bit more versatile than beef, and I'd be a sad panda without eggs. There are enough milk substitutes what I probably wouldn't try to kill myself.
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Our pioneer ancestors did this---they depended on the pig. I read in a history book that it could survive on the frontier by foraging in the woods and if a rattlesnake bit it, the pig wasn't fazed but then ate the rattlesnake. So folks enjoyed all cuts of fresh pork, cured hams and salted down bacon for future use, tried the fat and used it in cornbread and for frying, and ground up the odd bits for sausage. Salted or cured pork is so flavorful that a little bit can be used to stretch a lot of carb (eg sausage gravy or a ham bone cooked with a big pot of beans) when times are hard. The pig gets my vote.
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Jesus.........what are you people thinking??????? just become a vegetarian will you......
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Elk! Meat ,tender and sweet
Some of the dishes I tried that brought me to heaven and back include:
Roasted rack
Grilled tenderloin with butter then finish off with a brandy cream sauce
Jellied elk tongue
Braised cheeks with Port wine
Ground meat burger
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I might go with fugu especially the liver and skin because, well, I am not sure life would be worth living without the other stuff. Just kidding! -well maybe only a little.
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Man, this was a hard one! I can use about every part of a chicken and bacon is freakin' awesome with my favourite food: potatoes.
But, I would be so lost without my raw steak and milk and butter. Little tastes better to me when I'm having an anemic episode than a nice raw seasoned steak (worchestershire sauce, garlic, honey, and usually a couple of other things), and when my appetite is off I can always drink some whole milk which generally makes me feel a little better if only for having had a fairly nutritious drink. I'd be coffeeless without dairy (I sip on coffee pretty much all day every day), and sourdough bread without butter? Oh the depression at the thought!
So, hard as it would be to choose, I'd probably choose cow. Not the most efficient choice, but it is the one I would be least happy without.
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re: josephnl
Oh how could I have forgotten to mention cheese?! *shame*
Lol, I would miss out on one of the most awesome, gluttonous dinners: ultra-rare steak, potato with butter and cheese [and maybe a bit of sour cream if I'm in the mood], 3-cheese macaroni and cheese, salad, finished with strawberry/cream cheese ice cream with home-made whipped cream. After having had my coffee with half&half while making it....... <3 lol
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Yesterday morning; fresh sweetcorn fritters, fried hot Italian sausage and a fried egg.
Two mornings ago; trout caught 1/2 hour before and scrambled eggs.Duh! I thought this was a "breakfast" thread!
Gimme lobster or death! Lobster salad, lobster tacos, lobster quesadillas, lobster sausage, lobster loaf, lobster, Mac n Cheese, lobster tali medallions, lobster and eggs, lobster pasta, lobster on the grill, etc, ad naseum.
I lobster then I flounder,
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OK, if it is just the meat, then its cow. I'd miss some pork products, and sometimes I'd miss chicken which i eat often, but don't think i would miss as much as beef. The problem is that eliminates eggs. Now I'm not a big egg eater, in general I avoid them. I just can't figure out how to get around using them in cooking.
With that in mind I guess it comes down to ostrich. I've only had it once, and it had a very meaty taste. They lay eggs, so that takes care of that issue, and if they can make turkey bacon, I'm sure they can find a way to make ostrich bacon. That leaves the dairy issue unresolved. Humm... maybe I need to switch to platypus.
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re: KaimukiMan
mmm smoked platypus tail.!!! that is one weird looking critter! http://www.animaltrial.com/platypus.html
but uh oh, no platypus milk, unless you're gonna get freaky! ""The young lick the fur around any aboriginal openings of the mammary glands because the female platypus lacks teats """
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Oh this is a real tough one. Like you, I think I am down to either cows or chickens. Cows because of the meat and its milk (milk, cheese, cream). Chicken because of the meat and eggs. So the question come down to: eggs or milk.....
I use milk products a lot more often because eggs are so vital when I do really need it like for cookies, cakes...etc. At this very moment, I will say I will pick cows (also because of leather products), but it is a very close call, and I may change my mind in a few hours.
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Quack!
Well, this was one of the hardest questions posed on Chowhound (Though it's one I've thought about a lot over the years in another context: if humanity were limited to 5 or [N] grains, N roots, N fruits, N species of shoots/leaves, N flesh creatures, et cet., what would be the choices that would maximize energy and nutritional value for the entire planet. In this context, you see, goats would probably top the mammal list for their versatility (they are nearly as efficient as swine (though swine can reach a mature slaughter size in one long season, which is why swine are particularly valuable), they provide milk and wool in addition to meat).
In any event, while I love cream and butter and cheese, I love eggs even more. You can do things with eggs that cannot be as readily replicated as you can replicate many dairy products.
So, which bird/fowl? Chickens or ducks? Ducks are the swine of the poultry world - one reason they were preferred by the Chinese over chickens is that they are most efficient feeders. So I lean towards duck, I think. (Then again, I don't really care about white meat chicken.)
And duck can be made into burgers and steaks in a way chickens can't credibly....and you can make a kind of bacon and use their fat in ways that nearly rival those of swine.
Quack!
PS: Also, duck feathers and down are more useful than those of chickens. And duck fat is a healthy animal fat for human nutrition and digestion (so is lard, but suet/tallow of beef/veal or sheep/lambs is less so).
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re: Karl S
"..they provide milk and wool in addition to meat"
In that case, I pick horses. Horses can produce horse milk, horse cheese, horse leather, horse meat, horse milk wine (Kumis). More importantly, I can ride a horse.and shot arrows. This is why the early Mongols were so efficient.
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Uh... Pork or beef... Pork or beef...
Sorry, but everything else just isn't an option. The amount of different cuts one can get from those two far outshine anything else. Well, as far as meats go, pork wins hands down, thanks to cured products and lard. But, milk and its products like cheese and cream make it tough.
I'll go with cow.
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My first thought was pigs because pork is so versatile, but how could I go without burgers, steaks or a good beef stew (or beef jerky for that matter). But then I realized we don't have enough room to rause hogs, let alone beef cattle so my choice would have to be cuy.
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No siree! Not bovine, ovine, or porcine. What you want is L'il Abnerian: The shmoo! It's the most versitile and tastiest of all fauna. For details:
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re: therealdoctorlew
Very nice - a little bit of everything!
Shmoos are delicious to eat, and are eager to be eaten. If a human looks at one hungrily, it will happily immolate itself, either by jumping into a frying pan, after which they taste like chicken, or into a broiling pan, after which they taste like steak. When roasted they taste like pork, and when baked they taste like catfish. (Raw, they taste like oysters on the half-shell.)
Good little Schmoo to immolate happily. :-)
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Finback whale, the "ONE animal" would last a lot longer (w/ a "few" freezers) than one chicken. Just like beef, finback burger (They sell them in the northern islands of Japan.). Fin back steaks, just like rib eye, and great Q. The high fat milk makes and whale of a good cheese and butter too. Balena lengua tacos. Whale shashimi. Whale milanesa, bolognese, goulash, the possibilities are endless and well as the meat, so stop blubbering.
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re: ricepad
Totally! My first pick, too. :-)
Actually it would have to be pork for its versatility. It would be difficult for me to give up cracklings, bacon, pulled pork, thick chops, ground pork, etc.
A more indulgent pick would be duck. Love duck eggs and all the meat, not to mention the fat and stock.
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Pretty easy for me...it would be cow.
Having grown up in a kosher home with a mother who was a wonderful cook, for my first 18 or so years I never touched pork and still ate very well. Although I now do eat pork, and enjoy it, doing without would not be much of a sacrifice.
I love chicken, and eggs would be missed, but I could make do.
I can't imagine going through life without a steak, brisket, corned beef, hamburgers, veal and dairy products...especially cheese. For me, the choice is easy!
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re: inaplasticcup
Maybe sonia is a rare beef-only-eating Korean?
My understanding is that although "Beef is the most prized of all meats..." in Korean cuisine, cattle were regarded as more valuable as beasts of burden and pork and seafood "...more likely consumed on a more regular basis...".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_c...
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re: josephnl
Ok I suppose that was a bit confusing... Yes, Koreans do eat pork but my mom is not a fan of pork so she rarely cooked it (like maybe once a year). My entire extended family was rather averse to pork, too, so it was just never present at meals. I do eat pork now and I love bacon & the slow-braised/roasted/bbq preparations of pork, but that is a relatively new development (maybe in the last 7-8 years). I still do not care for, say, a pork chop, because I find that a quick cooking preparation tends to leave a gamey-ness to it. When cooked for a long time, it takes on a deeper, richer porkiness that I enjoy. That slight gameyness is the reason that don't care for veal either. And lamb, for that matter. I'm slowly beginning to appreciate the flavors of these meats but beef is still my #1 choice.
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Pork:
Ham in its myriad forms from old Virginia smoked to prosciutto to the modern readily available shanks
Bacon: someday we'll have the choices that Brits do
Carnitas: nothing can touch them
Pork pulled after a long slow smoky BBQ cooking.I dearly love cheese, but the above are just too important to me.
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Hmmm - big opportunity for the GMOers. Create a population of creatures with the belly of a pig, the teets of a cow and the but of a hen - brains aren't an issue. The Kardashians?
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re: Delucacheesemonger
Hi, Delucacheesemonger:
I finally found the right person to ask two perhaps stupid questions:
(1) Can a lamb lactate? I always thought mama sheep was mutton. I like lamb, but regularly gag on mutton.
(2) Why not pig cheese? I've been around farms with sows' udders bigger than most goats. Is it a milkfat issue or what?
Thanks in Advance,
Aloha,
KaleoPS: My vote is for pork, even without the possibility of cheese.
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re: kaleokahu
From what l was told as the answer to the lack of pig cheese question was that pigs only produce milk for a litter, the other domesticated animals produce milk all the time, thus more availability. And for me, l take a trip every year or so to Owensboro, KY for mutton BBQ, my absolute fav meat anywhere.
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re: Delucacheesemonger
Hi, Delucacheesemonger:
Could be, but I wonder... Left to their own, even dairy cows, ewes and nannies will stop lactating, not restarting again until they freshen. There must be some other factors at work.
Me and mutton... I can't eat gamey venison or hare, either. Or very strong goat cheeses for that matter. Maybe I'll outgrow my dislike. But glad you like mutton.
Aloha,
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re: kaleokahu
Animals raised for dairy have teats that are large enough and long enough for people to milk them by hand or mechanically. By contrast, sows have many tiny nipples. Both because of the large number and their small size, it is next to impossible to milk a sow. Furthermore, the amount of milk a pig gives daily is low, so a farmer would have to have a huge herd for commercial production of cheese. Keeping pigs for milk or cheese isn't economically viable.
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re: cheesemaestro
There is another thread here about Pig Cheese. The best reply is from pubwvj towards the end. http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/322028 It has some excelent info and pics.
jb
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re: Delucacheesemonger
This just in from a bored Hawai'ian repeating internet heresay:
"Porcine do lactate and their milk I will assume would taste great, because it is made of 8.5% fat in relation to the fat that makes up 3.5% of the components in cows milk. The other components such as lactose and water are found at nearly the same percentages in pig's milk. However, pigs will on average produce 13 lbs of milk in a day as compared to cows that produce 65 lbs of milk on average per day. Pigs unlike cows cannot become pregnant while lactating and therefore possess a severe economic problem to producers. whfle pigs consume less feed per day, economics does not allow pigs to be a viable source of dairy products.
The biggest challenge facing the porcine dairy industry is collecting the product. Pigs on average have fourteen teats as opposed to cows that have four teats. Pigs also differ from cows in their milk ejection time, a cows milk ejection is stimulated by the hoimone oxytocin and can last ten minutes, where as a pig's milk ejection time only last fifleen seconds as the suckling pigs stimulate the release of oxytoc in. The technology of a 14 cupped mechanized milking machine that can milk a pig in 15 seconds is not available to pork producers.
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Googleing Pig milk"This sounds more plausible. But it seems a technical difficulty,, not an impossibility. If so, I still wonder why no one has marketed "artisanal pig cheese" in small quantities/high prices.
Kaleo
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re: kaleokahu
If milking pigs is a challenge, consider humpback whales. When they migrate through the Turks & Caicos in the winter with their calves, they come in to the shallows (55 feet or so) and press the calves down on the sand flats to feed them 100 or more gallons of rich milk every day, about the consistency of cottage cheese. I prefer to watch from a safe distance, and conveniently the water visibility is 200 feet.
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re: scubadoo97
Way cool. And all the dive boats radio the GPS position of the mama whales and their vectors, so they are so easy to follow, and humans observe from a respectful distance. Reckless diver as I used to be, I was right there with mama. The wake from a single flutter of her tail was a massive movement of energy and water that sent me in spirals and knocked my regulator from my mouth. What a great dive day!
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re: kaleokahu
I grew up in a major hog production area and did a lot of farm work in my youth. I will tell you that milking a sow is not like milking a cow. A cow wants to be milked. Cows are now trained to walk by themselves into an automated milking parlor and with an embedded chip in the cow, the milking machine knows which cow it is and it has been programmed to milk the cow without a person even present. A sow would not cooperate to allow herself to be milked by hand let alone an automated system. Pigs are very smart, but like a cat, are not cooperative enough to consider milking them for commercial purposes.
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re: Delucacheesemonger
It has to be pig for me, we just had this conversation in my kitchen today. As a former goat farmer, you have to milk the dairy animals twice a day at twelve hour intervals and they will continue to produce milk. The, once a year you let them dry up then you breed them again, which is freshening. I think we don't eat pig milk or cheese because pig milk tastes bad. However, I was selling my goat milk and cheese and animal husbandry being what it is, I fed my kids (baby goats) pig milk replacer because that was known as the universal milk and also closest to human milk. Have also fed it to puppies when the mother wouldn't nurse. You could make any animal continue to lactate if you want to but I still think it's the taste.
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LaureltQ... promise you won't ever make me do this again?!?!
aka -- I don't even want to think about it... Eggs but no cheese? Steak but no pulled pork? Roasted chicken but no duck confit? Brisket but no bacon? No. It cannot be done. I'm off to therapy now.
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Impossible. It's like asking a mother which of her children would she save in a fire if she could only rescue one. No one should be asked such an impossible thing!
Chicken for the eggs, cows for cheese and other milk products, pigs for ham, bacon and other cured products.
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There are enough milk substitutes what I probably wouldn't try to kill myself.
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but there are no decent *cheese* substitutes - that's what would kill me. even if they were good, most of them are soy-based so i can't eat them anyway...and that makes the yogurt substitutes a no-go as well.like you, i'm torn between chickens and cows. i rarely eat pork, so even though i knew that would probably be the majority answer (Chowhounds love their bacon!), it's definitely not mine. right *now* i'd choose chickens because i've been off dairy for a couple of months...but that's temporary, and i just don't think i could go through the rest of my life without yogurt & cheese, not to mention the occasional rare, juice burger or steak!
oy. i can't choose, please don't make me :)
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re: goodhealthgourmet
Pig/pork. Amongst other things, Chinese/Cantonese cuisine without pork is nonsensical. However, contrary to a 'perceived' bias for bacon amongst CHers I don't particularly care for that. (bacon)
I don't like cheese, haven't drunk milk for so long I don't even remember when it was I last had a glass or even used any (I drink my coffee black), meh about butter (I have a 1 lb pack in the fridge that is now down to the last quarter stick and I think that pack was bought more than a year ago, maybe two), don't bake, haven't had yogurt in years, etc etc. I like an occasional steak, but the prime rib I had on Friday was the first big hunk of beef I'd had in a while. I may miss beef short ribs on occasion but I'll get over it.
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I'd pick pork. It's one of the most versatile meats around, has excellent flavor, cooks well. I lived in Turkey for a year and couldn't get pork and really missed it. That's when I realized how much pork I really eat. I took a short trip to Germany while I was there and brought back some ham and sausage!
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