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What's For Dinner and longer posts


As a side note: would it be possible for folks to move some of their more "food porn" bloggy-type posts to another thread? I (and some other Hounds) think these would be better suited to the Food Media board. Frankly, I'm having a hard time wading through these lengthy posts with tons of photos, and maybe I'm stuck in my old-school WFD ways, but I prefer the more concise dinner posts.

With no offense meant to anyone, this is feeling little more like a food photo rally and blog promotion tool than a humble "this is what I cooked for dinner" thread. As c_oliver has suggested, since you've obviously put a lot of thought and work into staging and photographing your dinner posts, why not make them separate posts from WFD? In short: I like what you're doing, but I don't love it on this thread. Sometimes less is more.

  1. I could not agree more, Christina. And I always like the Reubens much better than the corned beef itself, too.

    1. Yes, I have to say that WFD has been a little overwhelming and difficult to read through lately. I now tend to skim rather than read, and unless you check in regularly, it becomes a real time sink. Maybe CH should institute more of a blog post update thread...

      1. Now I'm worried. I thought the idea here was that you described what you cooked, and how you cooked it, posted photos as as desired. I don't blog, Chowhound is the only place I've ever posted anything. Am I just supposed to list the menu items and leave it at that? I'm not pro enough for a blog, wouldn't even think any of my meals rate a separate thread. I'm new on this board, but I've had a great time photographing my dinners, and also reading and viewing others' efforts.

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        1. re: L.Nightshade

          For me, WFD would return to being a pleasant and insightful read if some of the lengthier posts (by various posters) were trimmed down. For example, in many cases, where there are 4 multi-step photos of ingredients in a meal, one could suffice. They're pretty, but they don't add much to the discussion.

          Most posters on WFD are pretty accomplished home cooks, and I'm not sure these long, instructive posts with step-by-step photos are very useful/informative. I'm not saying that conciseness is a hard-and-fast rule, but these massive posts with all the accolades that eventually follow are, in my opinion, kind of clogging the forum.

          I don't mean to sound harsh. It's just that when I go looking for food porn photography or detailed recipes with extensive write-ups (and tons of congratulatory comments that inevitably follow), I look to food blogs. When that kind of content shows up on WFD, I just find it distracting. I prefer more easily digestible posts that assume I know the basics of a dish and trust me to follow-up with a question if I have one about the method, ingredients, etc.

          1. re: ChristinaMason

            I like the idea of just the final photo of the finished dish vs. the step by step, and agree that the majority of the readers here are accomplished home cooks and don't need the step-by-step photos. I personally don't need to see the majority of the mise en place photos (although I very much appreciated the one posted earlier by Nightshade!).

            I *want* to read the posts; just don't need to see the prep photos so much. But that's just me.

            1. re: LindaWhit

              Just to chime in with a different perspective, when I post mise pics, or sequential pics, they're not necessarily intended to be instructive to a thread full of people who appear to be very experienced cooks. Sometimes, I do it because I think the colors look pretty. Other times I figure WTH - I took 'em, might as well share 'em!

            2. re: ChristinaMason

              I guess I know what you mean. On one hand, this is a bit of a tight-knit community, (though newcomers are always welcome) and there hasn't been much photography of dishes in the past, but w new technology & all, it has become easier and easier to "show" people your work, or passion. But these threads seem to fill up very quickly now, and tend to alienate those who do not want to wade through one post, and then the bunch of responses each gets. But I wouldn't want to ask people to keep their comments to a minimum, that's like censorship, and I don't believe in it, even if the mods do. Lord knows I can get very wordy, and oftentimes, I try to catch myself and make my posts more concise. But that is hard to do, when I feel like we are friends, and I want to give full context as to why I made X,Y or Z a certain way.

              On the other hand, I don't have a blog either, and frankly don't have time to devote to one. If I wanted to show my WFD family what I spent all day cooking, I highly doubt that they would go to look on some other thread to find it. Personally, I rarely visit other boards besides HC & LA, again it's a time factor for me. I don't work in front of a PC all day, I am busy w my kids (esp in summer) and to hunt around other threads would prove non-productive for me on most days. I like that it is all contained here in one place. Technology will keep pressing forward, whether one wants to keep up w it or not. I think it's nice to see others' food photos, it makes the whole thread more descriptive for me, than just reading a bunch of words.

              I also fear alienating our new crop of posters and enthusiasts, who have given me many ideas and inspiration as well. If it's just going to be restricted to a core group of posters, we should start our own private message board, but I fear that would become boring very quickly. So, can't we all reach some sort of compromise? Just my two cents.

                1. re: Phurstluv

                  I don't see this as a technophobe issue, as I'm on the younger end of the WFD/Chowhound spectrum and have my own cooking blog where I post foodie photos, detailed write-ups of recipes, interact with commenters, etc. I just don't think WFD is the appropriate place for that and try to limit going overboard. But hey, I still do sometimes---sometimes you make something so great, you just want to share all of it in all its glory. Or something.

                  But if you are someone who finds him/herself regularly documenting every step of your meal preparation process and taking carefully styled food photos and writing up highly detailed descriptions, maybe you *should* consider starting a blog. Once you set up the (very) basics, posting is as simple as uploading content to WFD.

                  Ultimately, we on WFD will probably just have to agree to disagree about the parameters for this thread until the mods chime in (if they ever do).

                  1. re: ChristinaMason

                    I'm not saying it's a "technophobe" issue. When the WFD thread began, it was very humble, but also pretty boring, as c oliver even attested to, that it was people posting w out any real conviction or passion. And many of us have lamented the fact that we are even bored w our own repetitive posts, as every cook can get into a cooking rut.

                    I feel these posts have been interesting in the least, and very inspiring to myself, to grow and branch out to do the sort of cooking we may not be comfortable with, due to the encouragement of the other posters. Some of us don't have blogs to say, "I made such and such, it's on my blog" and leave it at that. Many of us enjoy describing our efforts and food, and follow up w photos if we like. After all, the mods put the "attach photo" link for us to use. I agree we should all try to avoid going overboard, on anything, for that matter. But I don't think it's our place to tell others, notably newcomers, not to post their photos, or write paragraph upon paragraph about what they made for dinner. If it's not on the appropriate forum, Lord knows the mods take care of that. We don't need censorship from other posters as well. It's just not that hard to bypass the posts if you don't want to read. It is harder to juggle threads just to get your pics on a board of likeminded posters to get opinions, advice and praise.

                    1. re: Phurstluv

                      You seem to be backtracking a bit from your earlier comment that lengthy, highly-detailed posts do have the unintended effect of alienating readers who don't care to slog through it all. Myself included---and I've been posting here a while. As have others who also find it kind of irritating.

                      I think I've said my piece on this, and the point was not to shut down anyone's self-expression as much as to keep WFD from getting unwieldy and blog-like. If the trend continues, I'm happy to post elsewhere. Best to all.

                      1. re: ChristinaMason

                        I guess I am backtracking a bit. The more I think about it, the more it seems like those of us who have been on WFD from the beginning, are saying to the newer posters "you can post on our thread if you like, but you should do it our way."

                        I realize not everyone wants to slog through a long thread full of photos and single comments from others w encouragement. And I for one don't want to alienate them either. But whose to say one way of posting your WFD is better than another? Why should some be able to say, "no, that post should not be on this board, it's too ___" and not others? Isn't that the mods' job?

                        It just seems a bit exclusive to me, and I don't believe that is the point of this thread. Perhaps now you can understand why some don't WANT to post on the thread, because they feel the rest of us are either unresponsive or smug & snobby.

                        Irritating it may be to page down through the thread, and read just those posts you want to read, but it's really not that difficult. You don't have to take your ball and go home either, Christina, it's just a healthy discussion, and as you said earlier, we can agree to disagree about it. I just happen to have a different opinion, that's all. Okay, I'll get off my soapbox of the day now, just contributing my two cents, as opinionated as they may be.

                        1. re: Phurstluv

                          It's not really our role to tell people how to post in a given thread. As long as the posts don't violate site guidelines and are on topic for the board they're on, we don't generally mod individual threads at the level of 'you can only talk about this thing or in this way'.

                          We'll sometimes clean out some of the chat in the WFD threads that's totally unrelated to food, but as long as posts are informative and on-topic to Home Cooking, we don't care if they're short, long, plain text or picture-filled.

                          1. re: The Chowhound Team

                            What I was saying was that it is your job to tell posters if what they posted belongs on a certain thread, or would be better suited to a different board, or a new topic all together.

                            Am I wrong in that impression?

                            1. re: Phurstluv

                              We don't generally moderate that sort of thing at the thread level. If something is okay for the board it's on, we'll usually leave it alone.

                              If someone comes onto the WFD threads and starts raving about the meal they just at the bistro down the street, we'll remove or split it out, because that doesn't belong on Home Cooking. But if someone mentions what they had for lunch, or describes a recipe in detail, we're not going to tell them they shouldn't post in the thread.

                              Threads drift, people post in different styles and we're not policing otherwise acceptable posts at that level.

                              1. re: The Chowhound Team

                                Whilst, from time to time, I can be critical of moderating decisions on the site (I rarely post to my regional board because of it), I have always been very appreciative of the way the Chowhound Team has allowed the WFD threads to have some considerable flexibility. Yes, we stray too far from time to time (I despaired at the "cats tangent" a few weeks back) but so long as we are not silly about things, it's good that we can occasionally mention we're going out to dinner and, more relevently, occasionally mention what we've eaten - I only do this in passing and, usually, only when I've had some possible inspiration from the meal for a possible future home dinner.

                                1. re: Harters

                                  What you said, Harters. (And welcome back from your holiday!)

                                  1. re: Harters

                                    exactly what i said on the WFD thread - sometimes someone's restaurant meal inspires me to cook that item myself, and then i post about it.

                            2. re: Phurstluv

                              Maybe instead of complaining about how the regular posters are "unresponsive," new posters could think about ways to contribute to the discussion that would elicit responses. Maybe what they're posting just isn't as interesting as they think?

                              I also wonder if maybe CH doesn't bring out a little of the ugly attention-whore in all of us (myself included). Maybe accolades from strangers (and likewise, pointed but not mean criticism from strangers) shouldn't mean so much. People joke about being addicted to Chowhound, but I think there's a little something to that. Something along the lines of the stimulus-high/dopamine rush that a little red "notification flag" gives major fans of Facebook.

                              Anyway, like you said: WFD is, fortunately, skimmable. I'll just be doing a lot more skimming than I'd like and probably won't feel as drawn to post or respond. That's fine---there are other threads I am happy to contribute to. WFD just has been one of my favorites for the past 2 years.

                              1. re: ChristinaMason

                                CM, I'm torn. i feel a bit like you do - i think the back-and-forth (which i'm TOTALLY guilty of) gets a little drawn out. i don't want to discourage newbies (and i know you don't either) because i feel they'll probably "calm down" after awhile. and i don't mean that in a derogatory way at all. again, i find myself guilty often of the obligatory response to a post, instead of just reading and then adding something to the discussion. i do love WFD, its flexibility, as Harters said, but i too cringe when it gets tooooo off topic. and again, I KNOW i'm guilty of it too. i like when some posters post long and others post short, but not when the same posters do the same every time. variation is a good thing.

                                CM, please don't leave us!!!! value your posts way too much.

                2. Christina, As a blogger who has only once linked my blog to a thread in response to someone looking for a specific recipe, I'm not sure if your comment is directed at my posts and similar ones, but I have never used this thread, or any other, to promote my blog.

                  I post lots of pics here that never end up on my blog, and I wonder if you'd think the posts were "food porn"-y at all if they didn't include the pics. I don't wish to take away from your enjoyment of this thread, but I figure the photo attachment feature exists for good reason, and perhaps even adds to others' enjoyment.

                  So with due respect, and without any intent to offend, I'll continue posting pics until moderated not to.

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                  1. re: inaplasticcup

                    I LOVE looking at your pics. You and others have really inspired me!
                    It seems to me it doesn't take much time to scroll past the photos if one is not interested.

                    Edit: Oops, I guess this is one of those pesky congratulatory comments!

                    1. re: inaplasticcup

                      I don't think Christina was trying to single you out. specifically, ina. But I actually liked c oliver's suggestion (and one which, iirc, was met with enthusiasm both on your side and other posters') of doing this in separate threads -- like the fish taco one.

                      It'll (slightly) unclutter the WFD for us who are fine with 'just' reading about people's dinners, and will more prominently feature your great creations and pictures.

                      1. re: linguafood

                        Thanks, linguafood. :)

                        I hope it doesn't seem like I'm looking for a fight. Just defending the other side of the argument. To the extent that we are describing what we made for dinner, I don't see much difference in the verbal content or tone of the posts that include pictures from the ones that don't. If there's some tangential discussion of blogs, well, there's tangential discussion of lots of things all over this board.

                        As to asking people to shorten their posts, while I heartily believe in anyone's right to ask, I guess I don't agree with what amounts to a very subjective policing of the way other people express themselves. Wouldn't it be odd if someone complained that someone else's posts were too efficient, too curt, too short?

                        At any rate, I would be posting pics and talking too much even if I didn't blog. I understand it might be hard to overlook the connection because I do, but I love looking at everyone's food pics. Gives me a better idea of what they're describing. And, to echo Nightshade, we are all grownups here who can avert our eyes from a thing that doesn't offend our conscience.

                    2. A slightly alternate suggestion - linking the pertinent blog in the WFD post? That way, photos are left on the blog, but we still get the gist of what is for dinner in that blogger's house?

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                      1. re: LindaWhit

                        From the Chowhound rules:
                        "We ask that you not link directly to individual entries on your blog, but rather, copy and paste your information to Chowhound, so people can read it and reply here."

                        1. re: L.Nightshade

                          You can link to the FOTOS. You can paste the text here.

                          1. re: linguafood

                            IMHO, there is no point in duplicating content ("pasting the text") between a blog and a WFD post. If you can't trim it down for our purposes here, don't post it. Or just say you've gone into more detail on your blog, without giving the link and upsetting the mods. If your blog is included in your profile, those who want to find it will.

                            1. re: ChristinaMason

                              LOL. I'll assume then that you weren't talking about me because I can't think of a time I've cut and paste verbiage from my blog (with the exception of one recipe because I was gently reminded not to link to my blog). :)

                              1. re: inaplasticcup

                                I was responding to linguafood's suggestion to copy the text and just link to the photos on a blog. My comments here, in any case, apply to numerous posters and not one individual. And having discussed the issue with several regular WFD posters, it's apparent I'm not the only one having issues with the information overload.

                                  1. re: mariacarmen

                                    Oh man, MC, don't get them started again!!!

                                    It was a lengthy discussion that seems to have split the WFD contributors into two camps, those that like it "the way it used to be, w concise posts that stay on topic" and those who like to show photos of their progress on a dish they made for dinner. Not that those posts aren't "on topic" but those type of posts tend to "clutter" (their word not mine) the thread, and some even feel it is a bit of self-promotion. You'd better read this fast, cuz the mods will delete it in minutes! We have kept them super busy this morning!

                                  2. re: ChristinaMason

                                    I understand and agree to disagree. I do appreciate your perspective, though. :)

                                1. re: ChristinaMason

                                  Telling people to visit your blog, even if you don't link it, is not permitted by our guidelines.

                                  1. re: The Chowhound Team

                                    what? Can you clarify, please? I see links to blogs all the time, and I thought a link at the bottom of the post was perfectly acceptable?

                                    1. re: susancinsf

                                      From what I understand the difference is having your blog's URL as a "simple" signature line in your posts vs saying in your post; "See my blog for more information" after basically giving a teaser come on to your blog post about some restaurant or dish you've reviewed off of CH.

                                      1. re: susancinsf

                                        Susan, after a bit of search I found the relevant site information on this subject (I can never find this stuff easily when I want to!): http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/3676...

                                        1. re: Servorg

                                          Thanks for digging that up, Servorg.

                                          As a 'Hound who happens to blog, I think I understand the logic behind that policy. My participation here is driven primarily by the benefit I get from the discussions, but I participate on a few threads, WFD included, that get bombed by a blogger who never returns to participate in the discussion. Fairly transparent and a tad annoying.

                                          OTOH, I've linked once to my blog (before learning of the policy) in a genuine attempt to be helpful to someone looking for a specific recipe, and was moderated for it. It would be nice if there were an easier way for them to discern those of us who actively participate in the community and bring up blogposts only when truly relevant and responsive to the discussion from spammers and shameless self promoters, but I understand there's probably way too much activity going on here for them to be able to do so.

                                          1. re: Servorg

                                            This is probably a better link http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/757385 because it includes some discussion of the recent clarifications we've made to our policy.

                                            We don't manage to read every post, so if you see posters who really do seem to just be trying to promote their blog, please use the "Report" link on one of their posts, so we can look into it.

                                            1. re: The Chowhound Team

                                              Thanks for the clarification. I think it was the statement 'even if you don't link it' that threw me for a loop, because I read that to mean that a link to a blog was never allowed....(not that I blog or anything, just wanted to understand the rules).

                              2. Sorry, I thought people who liked to cook also liked to see photos of the cooking process. I'll stop posting to de-clutter your thread. I also thought people liked to get replies to their comments, Sorry, I was mistaken...

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                                1. re: BombayUpWithaTwist

                                  Some of us DO enjoy the posts, the photos, the discussion. Some of us are so passionate about food and how to prepare it, it keeps us up at night!! (totally guilty here!)

                                  So please don't be sorry, Bombay, I feel badly, like I just got you to be more involved, and now others are shooting you (and others) down again!! I hate to discourage people from being expressive and prolific. It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but this is a board and thread of voluntary posters, no one is forced to read what we post.

                                  1. re: Phurstluv

                                    Goes without saying that I thoroughly enjoy your posts, Bombay. I find a lot more encouragement and mostly friendly but sometimes spirited discussion on this board than I find criticism, harsh or not.

                                    That said, while I know for a fact that I do or say things that bother some other Hounds' sensibilities, even moral ones apparently, I'd be lying to say I'm not generally sensitive to a certain kind of censorship that some posters seem to feel they are obligated to impose on others. Obviously, I'm still learning to avert my own eyes to those posts.

                                    Getting there. Slowly. Don't know about the surely part... :)

                                    1. re: inaplasticcup

                                      There is a distinction between "censorship" and asking (politely, I might add) for (mostly) new posters to even slightly rein in their...."voluptuous" posts to keep them more in the original spirit of the thread. If you don't want to, fine. No need to get nasty about it.

                                      1. re: ChristinaMason

                                        I don't feel I was being nasty. We just seem to take offense and defense to different things. It happens.

                                        1. re: ChristinaMason

                                          Christina, no one is being nasty, but again, you seem to feel the need to step in and do the moderators job by distinguishing between those who post in the style you find acceptable, and those who you feel need to "reign it in" a bit.

                                          Again, it seemed to be a pretty wide consensus from all who participate on the thread that the "original spirit" was a bit dull and lacking in inspiration.

                                          1. re: Phurstluv

                                            Sorry, I do take sarcasm as being nasty. And the consensus is not as wide as you would posit.

                                            1. re: ChristinaMason

                                              I'm not even sure what the sarcasm is you're referring to in Ina's post above. She sounds pretty straightforward to me. But I guess only you can take it how you want to take it.

                                              And that's fine, if the consensus is not wide that the original WFD threads were a bit dull and boring. I don't mind being the lone dissenter, doesn't bother me a bit, but I suspect I am not the only one who feels a thread and board with a diversity of opinions and styles makes for a much more exciting forum and community.

                                              1. re: Phurstluv

                                                I meant Bombay's sarcasm and ina's heavy-handed use of the "censorship" allegation. Anyway, forget it. I think we've done beat this here horse dead. :) No harm, no foul. Post away as you please.

                                                1. re: ChristinaMason

                                                  This is exactly the problem w media such as this and emails. Plain words on paper or a screen tend to convey all types of tones of voice, even when they weren't meant to.

                                                  I happen to know BUWaT personally, and I find it extremely hard to believe she was being anything but genuine in her apologies above. She is just not a sarcastic person at all, and would stop posting if she felt she was "wrecking" our thread by cluttering it up w comments and photos. Honestly. That is just not in her personality at all.

                                                    1. re: BombayUpWithaTwist

                                                      I don't post on that thread or that board much for that matter, so i know my opinion is not as valuable as that of the frequent posters to that thread, but every now and then, i will look through the WFD threads and add me to the list of people who enjoy the photos. A lot.

                                                  1. re: ChristinaMason

                                                    I wasn't being sarcastic. I'm sincerely sorry that you didn't like my posts and therefore will stop posting. I truly thought that people liked to see food photos and comments to their reply. I'm actually embarrassed and hurt to learn about the reactions to my posts. I stopped posting for a while because I didn't feel welcome and then was asked to try again and was welcomed and now find that it was a farce. I don't have a thick skin like many people.

                                                    1. re: BombayUpWithaTwist

                                                      And this was exactly what I was trying to avoid! So sorry, BUWaT. I wish you didn't feel that way.

                                                      1. re: Phurstluv

                                                        As do I. No longer posting on the WFD thread frustrates you, Bombay, and those who would like to hear about your dinners. I do wish you'd continue to post, but why not with fewer pictures? Perhaps it's not the way you'd like to post, but isn't that what life is all about? A set of compromises?

                                                        I *love* seeing a completed dish picture, and don't see the harm in it. But just leaving and doing a "I'm going to take my ball and go home" stomp-off does everyone a disservice, including you, because you become disenchanted with CH because of one or two people's comments.

                                                        Some people don't like a string of 5-8 photos; others do. But just because one person mentions posting "duplicate content" in a blog and here isn't appropriate doesn't mean it can't be done. Posting text about a dinner here, and saying "if you want to see detailed pictures of what I'm talking about, you can find them in my blog linked in my profile" is *perfectly* acceptable.

                                                        I'm sorry you've felt that you need to leave (again), and I'm sorry that you feel you've been bullied away from posting on CH. I sincerely hope that was not the intent of the person(s) criticizing posts such as yours, but having re-read through this thread tonight, I can certainly see how some comments can be construed as such.

                                                      2. re: BombayUpWithaTwist

                                                        I am very visual therefore photos add to the value of my Chowhound experience. I also enjoy the diversity of the various threads on Chowhound. Thankfully we have different tastes, perspectives, preferences and experiences. I believe it is this diversity that makes Chowhound a viable virtual, global community.

                                                        I truly hope that, after another lovely dinner, everyone will come back to the table and continue sharing their meals. I most definitely enjoy taking a peek into your kitchens and sincerely appreciate the time you've taken to share your meal with me.

                                                        1. re: BombayUpWithaTwist

                                                          I like your posts, bombay, and wish you would reconsider. There are some posters that I feel certain do not care for me, or the way I present myself, but I enjoy WFD, and wouldn't let that alone chase me out of the room. I just enjoy it for what it is, and hope you can see that no one can tell you not to post in such a way that is natural and enjoyable to you. You've truly done nothing wrong.

                                                          I think this whole discussion blew up beyond the bounds of what it was meant to be: a simple discussion. I understand why the mods split it off, but I can't see how any of this has benefitted any of the posters, and think that it would have been much less of a divisive thing if left where it originally started.

                                                          1. re: onceadaylily

                                                            Thank you Breadcrumbs & Onceadaylily, you are both very sweet:o) And onceaday, I doubt very much that there is someone out there that does not care for you or your posts. But after being told that I clutter up the thread and my posts are not interesting, I have no reason to try again. I know not all feel the same, but I just don't need that small amount of negativity in my life.

                                                            1. re: BombayUpWithaTwist

                                                              I have to say that your post breaks my heart a little bit, Bombay. I only started with WFD a few days ago, blithely describing meals and posting photos. Also reading, learning, and getting great visual satisfaction from the photos. Already I'm a fan of yours, your photos, and your descriptions. Then all this happens. I feel slightly embarrassed for jumping in without suspecting that there were hidden expectations or restrictions. And I feel sad that someone who posted encouraging comments and made me feel welcomed to the board has now withdrawn. If you are counting opinions, I want to see you on WFD.

                                                              1. re: L.Nightshade

                                                                I agree, LN, and it breaks my heart A LOT. But I can understand her not wanting to deal with the negativity. No one needs that kind of shit. Excuse my French.

                                                              2. re: BombayUpWithaTwist

                                                                No, you're sweet. And I'm the one who started the cat tangent. :0

                                                                I'm one of the voices on CH that is what is called 'OT' very frequently, and have been criticized for that, and it does occasionally sting. But I enjoy the details of a life being lived, and the sentiment imbedded therein, and have resolved to just continue to use my own prism here.

                                                                I respect what you're saying though, and can appreciate your outlook. I've had those moments on CH, like it seems you're having now, and truly understand where you're coming from. Hate to lose your voice though.

                                                                1. re: onceadaylily

                                                                  Just so you know, I've loved any and all cat tangents that we've had. They are silly, but it's part of what makes this thread fun and allows us to show our more human side as well. Err, as we relate to our cats, anyway.

                                                                  1. re: rabaja

                                                                    And I love you, rabaja. Aaaand my garlic-fennel cream for the mashed cauliflower just almost boiled over due to my monitoring of this issue, even though the principal parties involved have already left the room. Good night, Gracie.

                                                                    1. re: rabaja

                                                                      Totally agree, we are all animal-people, if you know what I mean!!

                                                                      1. re: Phurstluv

                                                                        I'm definitely an animal person - but only when it's cooked.

                                                                        1. re: Harters

                                                                          LOL!! Love it, Harters, gonna use that one!

                                                                    2. re: onceadaylily

                                                                      I enjoy the little slices of everyone's lives that come through in the off topic and tangential comments. Keep 'em coming, lily. :)

                                                                        1. re: inaplasticcup

                                                                          But that conversation could just as easily be moved onto other networking sites, such as Facebook - as many of us have done.

                                                                          I guess I'm saying unless you're posting pics of skinning, butchering, and grilling the cat, it's got nothing to do with WFD.

                                                                          (I have a cat.)

                                                                          1. re: linguafood

                                                                            And for every detail I give out, I can provide three about most WFD folk, and I like it that way. I'm not going to insist that people barbeque their landlords, mothers-in-laws, bosses, children, or significant others, after they've been sick, had a bad day, or a birthday, or an anniversary, or are going away on a holiday. Those details were being shared on WFD before I started posting, and I think they would continue to be after I left. Life shapes our dinner plans, and I find the shaping of such to be interesting exactly where it is.

                                                                            And I don't mean to single you out with this reply, but only reiterate my stubborness to the room at large.

                                                                              1. re: onceadaylily

                                                                                *...reiterate my stubborness to the room at large.*


                                                                                1. re: inaplasticcup

                                                                                  Hey, you. Get your booty back to WFD and fill me in on the kimchi. ;)

                                                                              2. re: linguafood

                                                                                I hear they taste of chicken. And that is certainly relevant. :P

                                                                      1. re: BombayUpWithaTwist

                                                                        Please don't be embarrassed and hurt, BombayUpWithaTwist! I really like your photos, (and those of inaplasticcup, and everyone else who posts them). Just because some don't, honestly doesn't mean that everyone doesn't - and I'm sure there are many who agree with me in saying that the photos really add something.

                                                                        1. re: BombayUpWithaTwist

                                                                          One or two people do not speak for all...I happen to be happy you came back :)

                                                                            1. re: BombayUpWithaTwist

                                                                              I am assuming you already know, it goes without saying, I was really glad, and felt like I have a close friend on the board now.

                                                                              I'm really torn now tho, b/c I agree w you and how you feel. You are right to feel that it may not be worth the negativity. I wish this whole thing never got started. 8(

                                                            2. re: Phurstluv

                                                              Phurst, it's ok, you are always so sweet! I guess I just have a different style of expressing myself. It's hard to jump into a new group when they have their set ways.

                                                          2. Do we need to splint into two threads?
                                                            The "Whts fr dnnr" thrd,
                                                            and the "What are you having for dinner how did you make it and what does it look like thread"?
                                                            I hope not. I enjoy all the entries, all the activity.

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                                                            1. re: L.Nightshade

                                                              I agree, LN, I hope not either. I too enjoy all of the activity, even if I skim past some entries for whatever reason. As I stated above, I hope I am not alone in believing that a board or thread with a diversity of opinions & styles (whether I agree w them or not) makes for a much more interesting community.

                                                              1. re: Phurstluv

                                                                Oh, I don't think you're alone at all in the sentiment, Pl. Takes all kinds. :)

                                                              2. re: L.Nightshade

                                                                Funny, Nightshade. This thread needed a chuckle.

                                                              3. Wow. I go away for a fortnight and come back and find there's an argument at the virtual dinner table. Who'da thought it?

                                                                I was actually back from holiday a week ago but havnt posted to WFD. I'm probably just going through a phase where I'm a bit bored with the thread (and food at home is just as boring at present that I can't be bothered sharing it with folks).

                                                                As well as contributing, I've always been a skimmer. It's fascinating to see what people in a different continent and different society are eating - but I've never read every post. Yes, of course, there are contributions I take more notice of than others - some people have a cooking style that interests me, and others don't.

                                                                But, coming back to Christina's OP, I understand where she's coming from. I look at like this - the thread (when I post) is the virtual equivalent of a phone conversation that Mrs H and her sister have every day. One rings the other and there's chat about what each is having for dinner. That's what I do on the thread. I feel no need to post recipes or, even, anything more than a heads-up of what's for dinner. Most times, there's no response so it isnt as though we're having that daily virtual exchange - but there could be. And sometimes there is - which is fun.

                                                                So, why do I continue to post? Good question and one I'm not sure I have the answer to. Habit, yes. Self satisfaction, yes. Being a bit of an oddity, yes (most posters are north American women - I'm neither). Much actually goes back many, many months, to when my partner was ill and, for a long while, showed no interest in food or cooking. WFD filled that hole to some extent - it distracted me at times when I wondered if she was going to be OK in the end.

                                                                So, that's me and my reasons.

                                                                But, for goodness sake, this is nothing more than a thread on a internet discussion board. Of course, other posters shouldnt feel unwelcome or feel they're being frozen out. Isnt this like the dinner table in real life? There are different conversations going on at the same time. You join in, or don't join in, as you pl

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                                                                1. re: Harters

                                                                  Very well said, and welcome back.

                                                                  1. re: Harters

                                                                    i think that's the longest post I've ever seen from you, Mr. H, and every word a gem.

                                                                  2. I was surprised by the OP request so I just visited and read through the post for the latest WFD. The photos are terrific but the conversation far exceeds the number of photos overall so I'm not entirely sure why the issue. Since photo sharing is permitted, encouraged and an easy tool to use on CH I can't imagine why a food photo would be moderated (beyond the usual reasons for any moderation you have already stated above).

                                                                    Photos make the reading so much more. I enjoy the visual. I hope you will continue to share your dinner ideas, tips and pics with those of us more inclined to read along.

                                                                    Some of you do an excellent job with those photos, thank you for sharing.

                                                                    1. I neither read nor post to WFD so I’m not sure why I even bothered to read this thread. But read it I did. And I wonder if the problem doesn’t stem in some way from the Cookbook of the Month threads (to which I do contribute, and have from the beginning). Many of us at COTM, even more so in the past year or so, discuss the recipe in some detail. A few of us post photos of the mise and various stages of the prep as well as the finished dish. For the most part, that detail is welcomed at COTM. It seems as though that detail is less welcome at WFD. Different cultures, different approaches. COTM has changed as the community has expanded. Sounds as though WFD has as well. Discussions about what it is that you want it to be are healthy.

                                                                      1. I would agree if it was like livejournal where a photo can take up significant screen space, but the photos here are just thumbnails. I don't know how your screen displays, but on my screen, five chowhound photos can fit on one row before starting another layer, and each one is only about an inch square. I think it breaks up the page nicely and adds a little colour.

                                                                        Maybe some of us are more visually oriented. Personally, I've always thought there was some truth to the saying "we eat with our eyes"

                                                                        If photos are taking up more space than that on your screen, I wonder if a different browser or tweaking the settings would help?

                                                                        1. I've posted only once to a WFD thread, just because it always seemed like such a closed community and it took some time to put myself out there. It was short and without photos so seems to conform to what some people expect. However I feel that a post like the OP's is basically saying to newcomers that we're not wanted - the group has its own way of doing things and it has to stay that way. Straying from the norm could result in censure, and since food, and Chowhound, is just a hobby, it's only natural that people feel discouraged from posting in the future, because hobbies shouldn't accrue stress. Although it asks nobody to take offence, the OP is actually quite 'indicting', and despite not being a keen food photographer myself I don't feel encouraged to continue in an online conversation where I might get shot down at some point for a transgression I didn't know I had committed (maybe post a list of rules at the top of each WFD thread?). So don't be surprised that other people who HAVE posted photos feel that way as well.

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                                                                          1. re: limoen

                                                                            It's sad to hear the WFD thread described as seeming like a closed community.

                                                                            Perhaps it's time that those of us who were there when it was, say, WFD Part 5 should now retire from the thread or, at least, take a back seat. I'm happy to leave it to the new folk who've started posting in the last couple of weeks or so and let them take it on towards Part 200 in their style. Hopefully, a new style will encourage more new people to contribute.

                                                                            Been some great writing over the months. It's been fun. Thanks to al

                                                                            1. re: Harters

                                                                              Truthfully, there's been some great writing and then there's been dribble. I fall into the latter category, but your posts always raise the bar. Please don't leave the thread Harters. You bring something to the table no one else here offers. We all compliment one another, and I think we should all stay and work it out.

                                                                            2. re: limoen

                                                                              "However I feel that a post like the OP's is basically saying to newcomers that we're not wanted - the group has its own way of doing things and it has to stay that way."
                                                                              And THIS is the feeling that most don't want everyone lurking to have - that the WFD thread is a closed community OR that newcomers aren't welcome! Because it most certainly isn't true, and it doesn't conform to what CH is supposed to be about. It saddens and actually angers me that people are feeling that way because of a few posts.

                                                                              I will reiterate - I'm not particularly crazy about *tons* of photos, as I don't need to see prep photos, per se, but I do enjoy a "finished product" picture.

                                                                              I don't post every night on the WFD thread because I'm not cooking every night. I don't post that I'm having leftovers; doesn't make sense nor does it make for interesting reading. But if I pick up some fish today at the farmers market, I'll post what I do with it.

                                                                              So please reconsider posting on occasion, limoen.

                                                                              And Harters, I hope you reconsider as well. I do VERY much enjoy your posts, as you are in a different country from the majority, so your perspective on things are most welcome, and I always enjoy reading about "different to me" foods and places around the world. The WFD thread will sorely miss you if you don't post. Pretty please and thank you? ;-)

                                                                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                LindaW & rabaja.

                                                                                Thanks & yeah, but.......

                                                                                .....if others are saying they feel unwelcome and others are commenting that the posts are getting a little stale, then that's caused by those of us who are old timers on the thread(or, at least, perceived to be caused by we old timers). Perhaps rather than bringing something to the virtual table each night, I'll spend a little time sitting quietly in the virtual other room or go for a nice walk round the virtual garden and smell the flowers.

                                                                                1. re: Harters

                                                                                  Harters - I apologise sincerely if you felt that my post implied that some people should stay away from threads or whatever. That was certainly not my intention! I just wanted to point out how the original post came across to those of us who've only recently started posting. I doubt that ChristinaMason intended to come across this way but I just wanted to speak out that such posts aren't helpful in making this feel like an open community.

                                                                                  I think that threads such as WFD actually depend on 'old timers' and regular posters such as yourself to keep momentum going. However, newcomers need to feel free to contribute and I just wanted to point out that there are better ways of doing at ;).

                                                                                  Personally I felt very welcomed to the WFD thread and the OP came as a shock since everyone seemed so pleasant and responsive! That is all. Please, please don't construe anything I've said as suggesting that anyone shouldn't be posting on any thread they like...

                                                                                  1. re: limoen

                                                                                    No worries. As with anyone else, it's entirely my call whether I choose to post to a thread or not. And, within the rules of the board, the content of the post.

                                                                                    1. re: Harters

                                                                                      Exactly my point ;). As long as the are no misunderstandings! (incidentally I usually never use emoticons but thought in the interests of communicating intent it Might be best here!)

                                                                            3. One thing's for sure. The number of posts and speed of posting has quickened.

                                                                              Back in the days of Part 43 and 53, for instance, it would take us around 5 days to reach our nominal "new thread" number of 200 posts.

                                                                              By Part 73 (which ran between 14/2/10 and 20/2/10), it took us those 7 days to reach 313 posts.

                                                                              Part 83, between 12/4/11 and 16/4, was 272 posts long.

                                                                              And, to bring it up to date, Part 93 whizzed through 381 contributions in the four days between 20/6 and 23/6.

                                                                              I sort of understand even more where Christina was coming from saying there's a lot to get through, even when

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                                                                              1. re: Harters

                                                                                I noticed that as well, amazing.

                                                                                1. re: buttertart

                                                                                  So perhaps a *bit* less chit chat and more recipes and dinners - with final photos of said dinners :::grin::: - would work for all concerned. :-)

                                                                                    1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                      Well, as upthread, I'm concerned that folk think the old timers have been a bit exclusive and I'm certainly not a fan of suggesting to folk how they may or may not post.

                                                                                      That said, I'm not convinced that the recent extra posting has informed me any more about what folk are having for dinner.

                                                                                      But whatever we do, don't expect any photos from me. Firstly, I usually post in advance of cooking . And secondly, by the time it's on the plate I'm so bloody hungry I just want to get stuck in with knife & fork. :-)

                                                                                  1. re: Harters

                                                                                    You have a good point, Harters. It does, however, seem like there are more people who are posting for the first time, and there have also been some who have dropped off the radar, even if temporarily. Perhaps they cancel each other out. I'm still not sure why we cut it off at 300, there are other threads on other boards that approach way more posts than that. But anyhow, I still feel that with the crop of new posters, I have certainly learned more than I had in the past.

                                                                                    1. re: Phurstluv

                                                                                      The cutoff used to be 200, as there were some with much slower connections who had difficulty loading the board after that number. It climbed to 250, and more recently, it seems to be 300.

                                                                                      I know there are some threads on CH that are over 650 or so, and eventually, I can't open them on either my work or home computers.

                                                                                  2. I don't know why I keep reading the new posts in this thread, as it just seems to upset me. But I am trying to determine my future level of involvement.

                                                                                    I had only been posting on WFD for a few days when this conversation erupted. The first day I inquired about posting, I felt very welcomed. I few days later I doubted whether I'd ever want to post again.

                                                                                    When I started reading COTM and WFD the photos inspired me to put a little more effort into cooking and plating our dinners. So I started photographing the plates and posting. I was having tremendous FUN. Right now I just have a sickly feeling when I think about it.

                                                                                    I wish I could go back and just have fun again. Now I'm worried "is this food porn"? Am I "the ugly attention-whore"? Those are pretty offensive descriptors in my mind. If I like someone's post should I refrain from adding to the "tons of congratulatory comments"?

                                                                                    I don't know how many people feel the same way as Christina, but she states "I (and some other Hounds) think these would be better suited to the Food Media board," suggesting that the older members communicate privately to complain about the new posters. Not a very welcoming concept. (By the way, Food and Media News would be a completely inappropriate place for me to post. How would that be relevant? I don't blog, I've never posted anything on line before. I just cook and snap a few photos.)

                                                                                    I'm not saying I'm quitting, but I'm going to take some time to think about it. I certainly don't feel as welcome as I did on the first day. I don't even know if I am one of the "offenders," but I don't like worrying about whether I'm complying to a set of unwritten rules, or that people are making judgements about me based upon my non-compliance with those same rules.

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                                                                                    1. re: L.Nightshade

                                                                                      LN, I completely agree with everything you say and I don't know why I keep reading this thread too :o)

                                                                                      1. re: L.Nightshade

                                                                                        The only "rules" are those set forth by the moderators. Until *they* have issues with how you're posting, post the way you're comfortable. Believe me - they'll tell you if they're unhappy. ;-)

                                                                                        As for judgments by others; that's human nature. Some will judge; some won't. Take what you want, leave the rest.

                                                                                        Or more to make it more food-centric - leave the gun; take the cannoli. ;-)

                                                                                      2. It seems to me that Christina didn't intend to intimidate or shoo new posters away from the WFD thread.

                                                                                        It seems to me that her simple request of keeping the photos and the "wow, i love what you did" / "no, i love what YOU did better" / "omg, i have never seen anything like this before" to a reasonable minimum was completely blown out of proportion.

                                                                                        I don't know, frankly, why this is such an offensive request. A request, ferchrissakes. Nothing to be incredibly insulted by.

                                                                                        I think everyone needs to take a deep breath & realize that there was no mean spirit in bringing this up, and remember.... it's only a website.

                                                                                        If the "older" posters tire of endless cheerleading and/or pics, they'll leave the WFD thread, or visit it less. I doubt that will be the end of the world.

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                                                                                        1. re: linguafood

                                                                                          It's fair to say that everyone is entitled to their point of view on this discussion and that civility and inclusion remain. Let the Mods do the heavy lifting and go with your gut.

                                                                                          L.Nightshade if I took every jab, comment or suggestion personally on CH I would stop logging in..not just refrain from posting or reading for that matter. This site has far more benefit and support than naysaying or disagreement. Enjoy!

                                                                                          1. re: HillJ

                                                                                            My evolution with CH is taking the same direction, HillJ.

                                                                                            Not that I won't chime in with dissenting or opposing points of view from time to time, but I learned early on in my participation, not just on WFD, but on the board at large, that there are some people who disagree with my thinking that it can be equally offensive to a grown person to be told how to express their thoughts as it can be for a grown person to have to scroll past thoughts that might not be expressed in a way they prefer.

                                                                                            That's not going to keep me from participating on threads from which I benefit in some way, but sometimes the skin just has to grow thicker in order to be able to do it in a way that can be enjoyed.

                                                                                            1. re: inaplasticcup

                                                                                              Expressed far better than I could have, inap. Thank you.

                                                                                          2. re: linguafood

                                                                                            As LN said, I'm not sure why I even keep reading this thread, it upsets me just like it upsets her.

                                                                                            Of course Christina was trying to shoo some of us away, she told us to post to the Food & Media board.

                                                                                            Then she writes:
                                                                                            "Maybe instead of complaining about how the regular posters are "unresponsive," new posters could think about ways to contribute to the discussion that would elicit responses. Maybe what they're posting just isn't as interesting as they think?"

                                                                                            I'm not supposed to be offended or insulted by that comment? I know that was mainly directed at me since Phurst made a comment about that a few weeks ago.

                                                                                            Yes, it is JUST a website and an open forum where we are supposed to be able to express ourselves however we want to as long as we conform to CH rules, not the posters rules.

                                                                                            I understand that some people don't want to see the "technique" photos, but I thought photos of grinding meat was interesting. I also thought that people would be interested in a Japanese version of meatloaf with tofu added as a twist. And what's the difference if there is one or ten photos, it really doesn't take up much more space, it's still confined in that one box. I'm not sure why it's stated that posts are longer, pictures take up less space than wordy descriptions. The irony of my photos is that I thought people did not like my previous photos because they weren't that good and now that I've improved with those skills I'm accused of "food porn"!

                                                                                            Then to top it off, I apologize and then Christina takes it as sarcasm. Like I said before, I DON'T have a thick skin like some people. I do take some comments personally, maybe even more so since this has never happened to me on CH which I've been posting on for about 8 years now.

                                                                                            1. re: BombayUpWithaTwist

                                                                                              Eight years is hardly a newbie, B! Congrats for sticking around :) !!
                                                                                              I hope you'll focus on the CH's who have supported you here and welcome your input.
                                                                                              (cause...when we focus on the naysaying it does change the experience.)

                                                                                              1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                Thanks, Hill! Not a newbie to CH, I'm usually on the LA boards, but a newbie on Homecooking :o)

                                                                                            2. re: linguafood

                                                                                              Exactly. Thanks, linguafood. Goodness, if I had known that saying "I'm a longstanding poster in WFD and am not totally crazy about the direction this thread is going" would spark WWIII, I certainly wouldn't have bothered. Hurt feelings were definitely not my intention. C'est la vie. Happy posting, all.

                                                                                              1. re: ChristinaMason

                                                                                                "Hurt feelings were definitely not my intention."

                                                                                                Perhaps not, but when this is written - "Maybe instead of complaining about how the regular posters are "unresponsive," new posters could think about ways to contribute to the discussion that would elicit responses. Maybe what they're posting just isn't as interesting as they think?" - just how is one supposed to take that comment? Especially when they've received favorable replies from others to their posts?

                                                                                                So new posters should contribute the way it's "always been done in the past"? If that were the case, CH would still be back on the broken software that Jim Leff and Company were keeping glued together with spit, soldering irons and sheer will of force.

                                                                                                Hey - I've said it a couple of times - I personally don't need to see prep photos. I'll look at just the final dish photo if there *are* other photos. But it's really *not* that hard to scroll past the photos.

                                                                                                And yes - the WFD thread has most definitely gotten more chatty than others - however, the Mods seem to allow that on this thread vs. the tight focus on the subject matter on other threads and other boards. As they said above thread: "Threads drift, people post in different styles and we're not policing otherwise acceptable posts at that level."

                                                                                                If I apologized to someone and it was said to be sarcastic...yes, I'd be hurt as well. So I *do* understand where Bombay is coming from regarding that issue.

                                                                                                1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                  Well, you're right, the "just not as interesting" part was a little snarky. I'm sorry. I guess I am and was a bit puzzled and taken aback by the complaint that WFD regulars are "unresponsive." I mean, I think WFD is one of those threads where lots of people post and you have to accept that not everyone is going to comment on the majority of your posts. I read lots of compelling descriptions of great meals, but I don't feel compelled to comment on each one. Occasionally something really stands out as exciting, or it's something I can somehow identify with, or whatever, and I do comment.

                                                                                                  Of course, it's fun and flattering to receive comments, and especially praise, on our posts. But just because someone doesn't comment on your post doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't appreciated. Maybe readers just didn't have anything to add, or maybe it didn't tickle their particular cooking fancy. Or maybe it just doesn't sound that good to someone. That's alright---it's still good to have a variety of cooking styles represented.

                                                                                                  I think what bothered me was the idea that not getting comments on one's dinner posts was a reason to abandon the thread and write everyone off as snobs. It kind of sounded like a "no one was paying attention to me, so the group is therefore unfriendly" remark. And maybe it wasn't meant that way, I don't know.

                                                                                                  Emotions clearly run a lot higher than I anticipated on these subjects, and I am sorry if my blunt commentary set anyone up in arms. That's the blessing and the curse of free speech on the internet...you can write what you want...and so can everyone else ;)

                                                                                                  1. re: ChristinaMason

                                                                                                    I guess I am and was a bit puzzled and taken aback by the complaint that WFD regulars are "unresponsive." I mean, I think WFD is one of those threads where lots of people post and you have to accept that not everyone is going to comment on the majority of your posts.

                                                                                                    On that, we absolutely agree, Christina. I don't expect my posts to be responded to all the time, and oftentimes they're not. Hellzbellz, I just posted a beef stew recipe I've got in the crock pot on the current WFD thread. Other than those in the Southern Hemisphere, I sincerely doubt anyone dealing with the heat in the U.S. is remotely interested in beef stew right now, and I certainly won't be bothered if no one responds. :-)

                                                                                                    So if *that's* the expectation of some of the newer posters - that more people should be responding to their posts - they will most definitely have to adjust their way of thinking as it relates to responses or the lack thereof.

                                                                                                    We haven't *yet* gotten to a post rating system here on CH with "Like/Dislike" or a recommend button - and I truly, sincerely, and most fervently hope we *NEVER* get to that stage. I'm on a couple of other message boards that *do* have that rating system, and it can get a bit out of hand. So Mods, if you're reading - my vote is to NEVER add in a "Like/Dislike" button, 'kay? ;-)

                                                                                                    1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                      When I first posted on WFD about 2 months ago I didn't expect to get responses on "all" my posts. But when I see that the "regulars" were getting comments on most of their posts and being chit chatty about their normal life, not about food, and I was only getting very few responses, I didn't feel like I fit in. I also thought I was being friendly by commenting on others posts and didn't get much response to that either. It seemed like such a fun and friendly group like a big family too. Now that I come back and get responses and I respond back I get in trouble for that and told that I'm clogging/cluttering the thread.

                                                                                                      By the way, I would have been just fine if the only complaint was people didn't like the "technique" photos, I would have stopped posting those, but the complaints went WAY past that!

                                                                                            3. WFD is a thread. Nothing more, nothing less.

                                                                                              I like it the way it is.

                                                                                              Edited to add: LindaWhit has done a fine job in stealth moderating the thread. Chow team has granted a measure of latitude to poster comments. At the end of the day, WFD has evolved over time to be a bit of a hybrid. That's very good.

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                                                                                              1. re: steve h.

                                                                                                I agree Steve I like the WFD thread as it is.

                                                                                                What it is to me is a community of folks who have a passion for food that come together and share meals and experiences with words and with photos. As is the case in the "real world" we won't always have all the same faces at the table every week and, in my view that's what keeps it interesting.

                                                                                                The good news is that it seems that the mods also like it the way it is. As they said up thread "as long as posts are informative and on-topic to Home Cooking, we don't care if they're short, long, plain text or picture-filled."

                                                                                                Hopefully we can let the mods have the final word on this and everyone will head back to the table . . . dinner's getting cold!! ; - )

                                                                                                1. re: Breadcrumbs

                                                                                                  Lots of smart folk on the WFD thread. The photos (not mine) can be stunning.

                                                                                                  Only a churl could cavil.

                                                                                              2. As a side note, I had no idea that Phurst had posted a few weeks ago that I didn't feel welcome on the board. When I met her for the first time in person, I mentioned it to her in passing. She is such a kind hearted and sweet person that she thought it would "help" to do a shout out for me. I just found out that she had done that just a few days ago and not from her. I didn't ask her to do this...not that this really matters that much :o)

                                                                                                1. Now, I know that I am just ranting, but I have one more thing to say...

                                                                                                  After I said that I won't post on WFD anymore I'm compared to a child stomping off of the playground with their ball! I've never had so many insults hurled at me in such a short time.

                                                                                                  Hopefully, this will be my last post regarding this matter;o)

                                                                                                  1. Unless the extra pictures and text are making the thread too slow to load for some people (in which case, just lower the 'new thread threshold') I don't see the problem. If you don't care for some posts, what's hard about just skimming past em?

                                                                                                    Because I just looked back at the WFD threads after a long while of not paying em much mind. And frankly, they're more interesting now, to me at least.

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                                                                                                    1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                                      I agree. I got bored with them before-and stopped reading until all the lovely photo's and more interactive detail showed up. I always check in- I just don't post much there. I hope everyone that posts photos keeps it up. If I am not interested in it- it is so easy to skip. But I think the photos peak my interest in something that I might otherwise not think much about and I appreciate the added inspiration.

                                                                                                      I also prefer that they not exceed 300 posts, but the compliments don't seem excessive to me neither does the OT conversation. I realize that everyone has different limits on what "bugs" them....... but it seems that the benefits of added readership and inspiration would out weigh the costs of bugging a few people so that they need to scroll past what they consider superfluous.

                                                                                                    2. Coming into this thread late, but BombayUpWithaTwist, please don't stop posting your pictures, details, and whatever you want! I'm an oldie on this board (11+ years) and have seen the growth, especially with more and more people posting pictures and I love it.

                                                                                                      As others have mentioned, it's only a thread for goodness' sake, anybody can skim (I actually often do) or not read it at all if they don't want to, and I personally love the addition of visuals. I don't have a blog and really do not care that someone thinks I post too many pictures, or that if I do, I should link to something I do not even have. Which, by the way, is a suggestion that is against Chowhound rules to begin with. The sole reason I started posting pictures was because I was inspired by other Chowhounds who did. I wholeheartedly agree with the Chowhound Team - who obviously are the the last word on this Chowhound board - "as long as posts are informative and on-topic to Home Cooking, we don't care if they're short, long, plain text or picture-filled." I'd hate if this particular thread dampen's the enthusiasm of any of those great contributors on WFD.

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                                                                                                      1. The WFD thread has transformed beautifully into a very enjoyable read; much more food related content and moving very quickly. Nice work :)

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                                                                                                        1. re: lilgi

                                                                                                          I'm pleased you're enjoying the new style, including my absence of contributions.

                                                                                                          If only someone had said, months ago, that they were not enjoyable, overly chatty, insufficiently food related and/or detailed and, as above, unwelcoming to new posters, I could have saved myself a lot of time and effort by leaving the thread much earlier. Of course, the reason I enjoyed posting was for exactly those matters - the chatty quick note about "what's for dinner" was my style.

                                                                                                          My thanks to you and the others above for at last pointing it

                                                                                                          1. re: Harters

                                                                                                            And Harters, your posts are ones that I miss a LOT and wish you hadn't left - or I hope you will at least will entertain the idea of returning.

                                                                                                            I have to agree that the thread seems to lack content at times since this most recent "transformation", as you put it. It also has slowed down a bit and perhaps it slowed down this past weekend due to many in the U.S. celebrating the Independence Day holiday.

                                                                                                            But please do think about coming back. There are MANY MANY MANY of us who love your different view on things.

                                                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                              Same here.
                                                                                                              I don't get the "much more food-related" part since most posters detailed what we were cooking - in my case perhaps excessively so - and some occasionally posted photos.
                                                                                                              When the whole thing started, there was a lot of hoohah about musical accompaniment to dinner and some very fanciful stories (to say the least), but since then there has been a narrower focus on cooking.
                                                                                                              I always knew how Harters was making what he made from his posts - in fact his writing style (rough paraphrase "a couple of heritage pork chops were put under the grill, salad leaves from a local farmer were tossed in a lemony vinaigrette", etc) has been emulated by several posters since, to my amusement.
                                                                                                              Perhaps the difference between those who enjoy a book along the lines of Elizabeth David or Jane Grigson and those who prefer a book along the Jamie Oliver lines is coming into play here. Suum quique. Different strokes for different folks. Oh well.

                                                                                                              1. re: LindaWhit


                                                                                                                I'd have to be pretty thick skinned after all the comments about how the posts from the old timers were boring and tended to exclude others. I'd have to be even thicker skinned after reading the posts about how much better things are with the new style and that the loss of the old timers wouldnt be the end of the world. I can take a hint :-0

                                                                                                                Maybe in a few months, things will move on again and I'll fancy sharing my brief chatty notes again. But for now, we'll still be eating well in this cold wet corner of our small island off the coast of Europe. Good to talk with you.


                                                                                                                1. re: Harters

                                                                                                                  John, I truly hope you don't leave! Your posts were always interesting to read and often informed about something particularly British. Don't be put off by the comments that might have made you feel unwelcome -- particularly from CHers who never post on WFD. Rest assured that you have many fans who appreciate your terse style.

                                                                                                                  1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                    Doesn't anyne see the double standard here?

                                                                                                                    Even people who like the photos never said to the people who like it short and snappy ... we prefer you change your style and write like us.

                                                                                                                    And yet there are hurt feelings.

                                                                                                                    And that is exactly how the people who were told how to post felt.

                                                                                                                    Across the boards, in this and all threads, I like the way everyone posts ... from the post with less than a half dozen words but great tip to the War and Peace posts ... with photos.

                                                                                                                    Peace ... not war.

                                                                                                                    Keeping comments about food and not the way posters post about it keeps the former.

                                                                                                                    Just a thought. If people like brief comments, why not use the new tweet tab and put those posts there where verbage is limited?

                                                                                                                  2. re: Harters

                                                                                                                    Dear John (and I don't mean it in THAT kind of "Dear John" way! LOL) , just because one person (who doesn't even post on WFD, BTW) says the thread has transformed beautifully into an enjoyable read doesn't make it so.

                                                                                                                    In fact, I completely discount that opinion, especially since they don't participate in that thread. So take their post with several grains of Fleur de Sel.

                                                                                                                    Just know that this old-timer will dearly miss your posts from across the pond, and I hate that this has come to an "us and them" situation in that some people feel the need to leave a particular thread because of the comments of a few.

                                                                                                                    1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                      Since I participate and read much more of the content now I will take your opinion as a grain of fleur de sel.

                                                                                                                      1. re: lilgi

                                                                                                                        I'm a regular poster on WFD - and I haven't seen you there, nor do your posts on WFD seem to show up in your recent posts. But hey - if you say you post there, I guess we have to believe you. :-/

                                                                                                                      2. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                        Yes, it's unfortunate that this whole thing has turned into an 'oldtimers vs. noobs' thing.

                                                                                                                        As for 'things moving along quicker' -- one of the reasons the threads reach 300+ so fast is b/c of several people proclaiming their love for any given meal someone's prepared.

                                                                                                                        I don't mind the photos so much as the endless cheerleading.

                                                                                                                        And I have a VERY hard time understanding some of the posters here getting involved in a discussion about a thread they rarely, if ever, participate/d in.

                                                                                                                        1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                          You talkin' ta me? ;-)

                                                                                                                          I may not participate, but I definitely follow along. And one of the reasons I haven't participated was that it got too chatty for me. But others seemed to like it that way so I just stepped aside.

                                                                                                                          Also, I've been with Cookbook of the Month since the beginning and saw some similarities here. Every once in a while we had to step back, take a look at how things were going, and make adjustments to assure we were being as welcoming and inclusive as possible.

                                                                                                                          It seems as though this thread has, in a way, precipitated that conversation, albeit a bit contentiously, and perhaps the WFD threads are the better for it.

                                                                                                                          1. re: JoanN

                                                                                                                            Nah ... it's me. Those comments showed up after my posts here.

                                                                                                                            However, like you, I read occasionally but never have particiapted.

                                                                                                                            As I said in the November post when I was directly told because I didn't participate in the thread I should not comment on the format of the title ... I don't cook much so have nothing to contribute to that thread. I read lots of posts I don't comment on because I have nothing to say.

                                                                                                                            Also, I don't like getting involved in threads longer than 50 posts ... yeah, I know ... this one was over 100 when I posted, but I am sensing a lock coming soon ... as in "folks, everything that can be said has been said and this thread is getting increasingling unfriendly"

                                                                                                                            However, I get some ideas for when I do cook and follow the What's for Dinner topics. .

                                                                                                                            People should be grateful I don't add the disliked by some encouranging comments to that thread.

                                                                                                                            All that being said, I do know how it feels to have someone tell me how to write and what to write without my soliciting those comments. It is hurtful and not helpful. That's all.

                                                                                                                    2. re: Harters

                                                                                                                      Harters there's a general camaraderie that prevails now, as opposed to a deliberate exclusion of others by a select few, and a change was long overdue. For what it's worth I never thought of you as a negative force on the thread.

                                                                                                                      1. re: lilgi

                                                                                                                        I have to say I never saw the "deliberate exclusion" part. I recall many many people joining over time, and usually one or the other poster saying welcome in some form, or it being tacitly assumed by virtue of comment on the post. I had no idea the threads were perceived in this way. Seriously. What a shame.

                                                                                                                        1. re: lilgi

                                                                                                                          Lilgi, i really don't know where you're getting this impression, but you're allowed it. I have for the last 4+ years felt nothing but the most extreme camaraderie on the WFD thread. (when i think of the support i received from this thread during my mother's illness, and after her death...! my breath is taken away again and again.) It has been an inclusive thread, an encouraging one, and an interesting one. Made so especially by people like Harters, Buttertart, LindaWhit, CMason, Roxlet, and many, many others. I have no idea what change was long overdue - i completely discount that opinion as well. I enjoyed it then, I enjoy it now. My only complaint was some of the back-and-forth of congratulations to every single post, but i've been guilty of that myself, and was never scolded by the long-time posters for it, to their credit. instead, i'm sure they simply skipped over those parts and continued to read my substantive posts while adding theirs.

                                                                                                                          I will miss Harters greatly, and i do hope he takes as little of a "time-out" as possible and reconsiders coming back. His style of writing, his viewpoint from across the pond, his dry wit, his brilliant brevity while eloquently describing to a T his prep and finished meals.... all are part and parcel of what made that thread highly enjoyable. I agree that the thread has slowed down, as LW says, and perhaps that's in reaction to the hoo-haa. I think like any living thing, the thread will have its ups and downs and reinvent itself from time to time, but will organically come to a place that brings something to the table for most. we don't have to eat everything on the plate, we can choose. and i want Harters on my carte!

                                                                                                                          1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                                                            Mariacarmen I'm amused that you're stating you discount my opinion yet you felt the need to address it. I made myself very clear when I spoke of comraderie and deliberate exclusion and the forum is for everyone, however we choose to post.

                                                                                                                            1. re: lilgi

                                                                                                                              lilgi, I'd love to see an example of an exclusion cited (as regrettable as that would be). I just don't see it having happened, and I at least think I'm sensitive to others' feelings.

                                                                                                                          2. re: lilgi

                                                                                                                            As we say in the TV business, "show, don't tell."

                                                                                                                            1. re: roxlet


                                                                                                                              Btw Buttertart re your post below, I understood, yet how perfect this statement is and how it applies to the newer posts. But you might consider this thread a perfect example to start.

                                                                                                                              1. re: lilgi

                                                                                                                                Show meaning show...incidences of exclusion? I've read every single word on those threads for months (ever since the inception, actually).

                                                                                                                      2. Maybe the thinking is backward here.

                                                                                                                        Perhaps it is the What's for Dinner folks who should be starting their own blog instead of visa versa. Then the format and what is posted could be controled to the satisfaction of a specific group's thoughts about what is allowed.

                                                                                                                        I've been out of the country and not following a lot on Chowhound the past year. This thread made me take a look at the threads to see what was going on.

                                                                                                                        I find them delightful now ... way better than before I left. New people ... good info ... lovely photos ... hope to see lots more of the same.

                                                                                                                        If there is one thing I've learned about Chowhound is that you can't control what happens to posts or threads. They take their own life. .

                                                                                                                        The OP doesn't own the thread. They only initiate the discussion. How or how much others participate is up to them.

                                                                                                                        I find the suggestion how to post in this thread especially surprising given the sensitivity of the group about the suggestion to eliminate roman numerals in the title in a topic last November. In that topic the Chowhound team wrote


                                                                                                                        "When What's For Dinner first started (What are you Baking came later) we were never very fond of those threads. They seemed fairly uninformative -- there were rarely recipes, tips, tricks in them, instead it was mostly just people listing off things they were eating. But people insisted that they found the threads informative and inspirational, so we let them stand, and the quality of the information in those threads has improved over time -- there are recipes and techniques being shared instead of just chatty lists of what people were eating. And that's great!

                                                                                                                        It would be nice if the tolerance Chowhound extended to a topic that they weren't fond of, could be extended to tolarance to the people who participate ... however they participate.

                                                                                                                        IMO, this is another great evolution to the thread making it more worth reading.

                                                                                                                        There are already controls to cut off the thread at 300 posts so they don't get too long.

                                                                                                                        For the life of me I can not see one post that is excessive with too many photos or too wordy or whatever.

                                                                                                                        I''ve been posting since 2002. I actually do have a thick or thicker skin than when I started. Yet, I've had people who have took it on themselves to instruct me how to post or inform me that my photos want to make them barf. It makes me feel like crap. It always makes me consider leaving the site for good.

                                                                                                                        I can't imagine what someone new who is told how to post feels. Just skim over the parts you don't like ... or start a blog so the content can be controlled to a specifc groups satisfaction.

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                                                                                                                        1. re: rworange

                                                                                                                          Hmmm, some disjointed thoughts here from me so bear with me please.....Personally, I feel that just listing menus can get a little boring. I have been enjoying the addition of photos. (So far, I haven't done photos and sometimes I just list menus myself for the sake of expediency.)

                                                                                                                          I do like that there is some variety in the effort that folks put in here. If I dislike anything at all it's the "inside" conversations that sometime take place here...in other words, you need to be part of the old-timers, or whatever to get in on the conversation. Probably it isn't intentional but it can make the rest of us feel left out somewhat. On the other hand, if someone is going on about their ferret or whatever it's something that they want to communicate about so guess what...I can skip over the ferret conversation and move on. (I guess these things get cleared out at some point anyway?)

                                                                                                                          I don't feel comfortable telling people how to post. I enjoy getting snippets about people's lives and I like when people are supportive/encouraging/inspirational. I DO get inspired by people here and I guess that is one reason I come here. Isn't it all about bringing some pleasure and love to our lives through cooking?

                                                                                                                        2. Hmmm as a new person to the board I find this a little bullying.

                                                                                                                          1. Does anyone else picture the mods sitting back and saying, "We let you talk about your cats, and now we're pleased to let you hang your damn selves." Or is it just me?

                                                                                                                            I've begun to worry that they're going to lock WFD for good if this discussion gets any sharper.

                                                                                                                            1. Hey, folks, this is starting to get nasty and personal, not to mention as long as What's For Dinner thread, so we're going to lock it now.

                                                                                                                              We hope everyone can agree to post and let post. Nobody owns any thread or any kind of thread, and as long as things stay on topic for Home Cooking (so, things you cooked, rather than things you ate in restaurants, and not a tremendous amount of non-food chatter) we're not going to dictate how people post, and we hope no one else will try to, either.