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What do you think are the important factors in making great food?

banjoman2375 Jun 22, 2011 07:38 PM

I read the thread-turned-article about the signs of a bad cook, and although it was fun scoffing at our imaginary idiots... what are the signs of a GREAT cook?!

here are mine:

1. Absolutely infallible, unfaltering patience
2. Comfortable multitasking (especially under pressure and time constraints)
3. A working knowledge of cooking basics acquired by effectively using recipes (for a while, at least)
4. A healthy curiosity towards restaurant menus and cookbooks (for inspiration)
5. A respect and excitement towards good quality ingredients
6. Understanding that something is ALWAYS lost when corners are cut
7. A heavy hand with salt and pepper :)

thoughts?

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    wattacetti RE: banjoman2375 Jun 22, 2011 08:20 PM

    An understanding of how to approach good quality ingredients?

    1. LaureltQ RE: banjoman2375 Jun 22, 2011 08:24 PM

      Shoot, just posted a similar thread, but yours is better.

      1. goodhealthgourmet RE: banjoman2375 Jun 22, 2011 08:34 PM

        gotta disagree with #1 - i don't think patience is always a necessity...though it does help with certain dishes and tasks.

        agree wholeheartedly with #2-6.

        re: #7, IMO, many cooks are too heavy handed with one or both of those at the wrong times, and i personally think some use salt & pepper as a crutch or substitute instead of developing more interesting & complex flavors with other ingredients. in fact, i think a truly great cook knows that it's important to exercise *restraint* with S&P in many cases.

        other signs of a great cook:
        - the ability to cobble together a delicious dish using the contents of a pantry/fridge that others would deem "bare" or "empty"
        - adaptability
        - tender scrambled eggs
        - confidence (but not over-confidence)

        1. pamf RE: banjoman2375 Jun 22, 2011 08:46 PM

          I kind of disagree with #3. Not all recipes are that great at explaining cooking basics and techniques. If one is trying to improve their skills, it's better to look for instruction and resources that demonstrate how something is done and why certain steps are necessary.

          Once you understand how a technique or process works you have a better chance of looking at a recipe and being able to understand what it is trying to accomplish and adapting it. It's very hard to follow a published recipe exactly, there are always going to be differences in available ingredients, cooking vessels, ovens, etc.

          Not everyone is a fan, but Cooks Illustrated/America's Test Kitchen does a great job of demonstrating techniques and explaining why one thing works while another doesn't.

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            banjoman2375 RE: pamf Jun 23, 2011 04:47 PM

            I definitely see what you mean about Cook's Illustrated, although I would never actually use many of their recipes because they are exceedingly complex. I understand that their goal is to create "the best something," but sometimes it seems like a bit much...

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              pamf RE: banjoman2375 Jun 26, 2011 09:04 PM

              I don't really follow the recipes either, but when I read an article or watch a show, I learn a bit about technique and then remember that when I am cooking later.

              Having said that, I think one who aspires to be a good cook should always seek out opportunities to learn more. Reading and watching TV shows are good, but there is no substitute for hands on learning. No matter how long you have been cooking you can always learn by working with other cooks.

          2. amyzan RE: banjoman2375 Jun 22, 2011 09:43 PM

            I disagree with #7, because it simply doesn't carry across all cuisines. I rarely salt short grain rices that accompany Japanese, Korean, or Chinese food, for instance. Soy sauce, miso, seaweed etc. in the accompanying dishes make salt in the rice unwelcome.

            #1 is astounding to me, #2 less so, but again with the pressure and time constraints? What are we, cooking gods and goddesses?!? I'm mere mortal in the kitchen, and still manage to turn out good meals despite an occasional fluster bug.

            These threads on ideals are really starting to get my goat...I think the whole culture of competition is getting just a little deep in our psyches here. Can we all just relax and enjoy good food, and stop judging ourselves and one another on whether we meet some criteria?

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              banjoman2375 RE: amyzan Jun 23, 2011 04:50 PM

              Sorry, honestly a lot of the reason why I started this thread is because I thought "why do we have to make fun of bad cooks, and why don't we just think of how we can all become better at what we love?"

              And all I meant by number two is that sometimes pulling off a big meal (like a christmas dinner or something) Means that you have to have a number of things going at once, which can be difficult I think... at least I've always felt it's difficult...)

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                amyzan RE: banjoman2375 Jun 26, 2011 05:12 PM

                Yeah, I appreciate the sentiment. I just decided not to get into it with that thread about judging other people's ability to cook on the basis of their fingernail length, or whatever the heck it was that started all that.

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              gilintx RE: banjoman2375 Jun 22, 2011 09:50 PM

              My feeling is that cooking is 90% technique and 10% everything else. If you know how to properly sear, braise, stew, you're probably a good cook. If you don't let your stock boil over, then you know what you're doing. A list of ingredients will only get you so far: without the technical skills to execute even a written-down recipe, you're not going to turn out good food. An eye on the clock and a knowledge of the product you're working with doesn't hurt, either.

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                smartie RE: banjoman2375 Jun 23, 2011 05:43 PM

                good timing! It's all very well making fantastic scrambled eggs if the rest of your breakfast is not yet ready. Figure out when you want to serve the meal and use time properly, what takes the longest to which will be done quickest.

                1. inaplasticcup RE: banjoman2375 Jun 23, 2011 06:21 PM

                  A reasonably sensitive and developed palate. Technique is important to be sure, but if your seasoning is off, it detracts quite a bit from a perfect sear, saute, braise, etc.

                  I've had food that looked beautifully executed but fell very, very short of the appearance due to poor seasoning, which can result from too much or too little of a thing, or an lack of balance between one flavor and another.

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                    ricepad RE: banjoman2375 Jun 24, 2011 11:55 AM

                    I think the single most important thing is the DESIRE to make great food. Some people just don't care, and those people will never consistently do well in the kitchen. They may get lucky every now and then ("Even a blind pig finds an acorn sometimes"), but if they lack the motivation to do well, they simply won't.

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                      flourgirl RE: ricepad Jun 27, 2011 12:38 PM

                      I agree with this 100%. Although I will say that I don't think the reverse is always true - as in, I've known a few people who SEEM to have the desire to make great food - but still rarely manage to pull it off.

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                        escondido123 RE: ricepad Jun 27, 2011 02:06 PM

                        I know a number of people with the DESIRE to make great food, but they don't have the ability to make it happen because they are unable to plan ahead--from reading the recipe to make sure they have the ingredients, preheating an oven/grill when necessary, having the right size container for what they are cooking, and just generally recognizing that a complicated meal doesn't happen in an hour.

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                          ricepad RE: escondido123 Jun 27, 2011 04:41 PM

                          Oh, without question there are people who really want to be great cooks but have trouble boiling water. IOW, desire is a necessary condition, but is not a sufficient condition.

                      2. Peg RE: banjoman2375 Jun 27, 2011 10:26 AM

                        Recognising when it's not going right and knowing what to do about it to either correct the problem or to change what is being cooked into something else.

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                          flourgirl RE: Peg Jun 27, 2011 12:39 PM

                          Good one!

                        2. raytamsgv RE: banjoman2375 Jun 27, 2011 12:09 PM

                          I would say that the ability to identify and select the freshest, best-quality ingredients is the single most important factor in determining a great cook. They need not be the most expensive. Simply-prepared high-quality meats, veggies, etc., often tastes better than fancy dishes with lower-quality ingredients.

                          1. LorenM RE: banjoman2375 Jun 27, 2011 01:54 PM

                            While I agree that learning techniques is of very high importance, I would have to say the most important things are curiosity to try new things and to experiment. Trial and error is a GOOD thing and not a failure.

                            1. pikawicca RE: banjoman2375 Jun 27, 2011 06:33 PM

                              To me, a heavy hand with salt is the sign of a bad, lazy cook. Salt lightly as you cook, constantly tasting. When you reach the sweet spot, stop!

                              1. Will Owen RE: banjoman2375 Jun 27, 2011 07:04 PM

                                For starters, love food. Love to eat food. Learn what's good and cultivate a taste for it. Realize that unless you were born rich you'll mostly have to make it yourself, or go back to eating crap. It helps if you grew up with a good cook or two …

                                Notice I'm saying "good" and not "great". GREAT is kind of like "prestige" - it's not so much a real category as an evaluation by others. If everyone around the table says it's great but it's not what I was aiming for, then to me it's not good. If it hits the target then it's good. And if everything I put on the table IS good then … get the picture?

                                Making up a set of rules, I think, misses the point, simply because each of us has his or her modus operandi. I do NOT multi-task, I don't think anyone really does (and research seems to agree with me on that). To me preparing my meal is ONE task that includes everything from obtaining the ingredients to having it hit the table in approximately one big thump. Sometimes I miss. I have gotten a six-item dinner on the table over a five-minute window, and the next morning plated the eggs, then noticed that the bread was still waiting to be pulled down into the toaster. We are all mere mortals after all …

                                I'm happy to have been able to feed as many as I have, and to have had them express delight with what they ate. There are several skills I have that I enjoy using, but I have to say that this is my all-around favorite. It would be nice, I suppose, if someone eventually remembered me as a "great" cook, but I'd be awfully happy if I knew for sure that I was a good one. I think I'm getting there.

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