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NYC and MTL UNITE! Trois Petits Bouchons - Does it have an equivalent

riabibby Jun 22, 2011 11:03 AM

I've lurked these forums for a while and I know there's a lot of overlap of CHOW-fanatics between these two wonderful cities.

I went to 3 Petits Bouchons for my graduation dinner and fell in love, so much so that I had to go back the following night.
Its just so...glorious.
The stuffed dates anyone? Veal Tartare? Sweetbreads? Jesus Christ...
Before I put myself into a euphoric frenzy I want all of your opinions.

I'm going to New York end of july - is there anything you this stands up to 3 Petits Bouchons that's just as gob-smackingly good value?
I know NYC is host to 3* michallin resturants and all that but, if you've been to 3PB you know what I'm talking about.

So anyone ANYONE have suggestions?
I will love you forever.

  1. c
    cricri7 Jun 26, 2011 12:44 PM

    I am a Montreal native and go to NY often but I have never found restaurants like we have. I agree with you that Les 3 p'tits bouchons is very good but NY does French very traditionnally. They don't go out of the beaten path at all. If you liked les 3 p'tits bouchons, you should try M sur Masson. It is quite good.

    What are you looking for in NY? French? Italian? I have been to Picholine many times but eat at the bar so I don't have to take the tasting menu. There are excellent choices but you won't go out with a bill of less than 100$ if you have wine. The food is simply incredible there though. It is worth the money.

    There is also Bar Boulud that is good, but still very traditional.

    If you like small plates, there is Casa Mono that is excellent.

    Casa Mono
    52 Irving Place, New York, NY 10003

    35 West 64th St., New York, NY 10023

    Bar Boulud
    1900 Broadway, New York, NY 10023

    1. c
      cricri7 Jun 26, 2011 12:45 PM

      I forgot about the Bar room at the Modern in the MOMA. It is one of the best meals I have had in NY. The bar room is less expensive than the dining room. The room is simply beautiful and the food excellent. This one I recommend also highly.

      on't forget to come back and tell us about it!

      The Modern
      9 West 53rd Street, New York, NY 10019

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      1. re: cricri7
        riabibby Jun 26, 2011 01:18 PM

        Thank you so much for your suggestions, I'm certainly going to check them out.
        Bar Boulud looks like a good choice, I read an excellent review of DANIEL but I don't think I could bring myself to pay the prices when I have a 10 day trip - this looks like its a bit more on budget.

        To be honest I'm not at all fussy out the style of food I try - the more the better really. I just want it GOOD, whether thats fancy or a secret find I dont care.
        I'm going to surf through the board and internet to see what I can come up with.

        Bar Boulud
        1900 Broadway, New York, NY 10023

      2. m
        michelleats Jun 26, 2011 11:21 PM

        You might like Degustation. The five and ten course tastings are a good value, though perhaps not for someone with a very hearty appetite.

        There are a lot of dishes on Ma Peche's menu I think you might like. David Chang restaurants, in general, use ingredients are extremely high quality and it shows. I haven't tried it, but there is always a prix fixe option with limited choices.

        And finally, look into Recette in the West Village and see if you might find that within a reasonable budget for you. There's a lot of attention to detail in this kitchen. Some people have complained that the prices are too high for the small portion sizes.

        None of these are quite as great a value as Les Trois Petits Bouchons, but hopefully they're a good jumping off point for your research.

        239 E 5th St, New York, NY 10003

        Ma Peche
        15 W 56th St, New York, NY 10019

        328 West 12th Street, New York, NY 10014

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        1. re: michelleats
          Pan Jun 27, 2011 01:03 AM

          I was quite full after I ate a 10-course dinner at Degustation about 2 1/2 years ago, so if they haven't made their courses smaller (and I doubt they have), I think someone would really have to feel like eating a horse to not be full at the end of the meal.

          1. re: Pan
            cricri7 Jun 27, 2011 02:59 AM

            I just thought of Extra Virgin in the West village. I thought the food was great and the prices not too crazy.

            Extra Virgin
            259 W 4th St, New York, NY 10014

          2. re: michelleats
            riabibby Jun 27, 2011 07:30 AM

            Oh man, I love the look of all of those - some really good choices are coming up for tasting evenings!
            Have you been to any of the other David Chang restaurants? I'd seen it mentioned before but trying to get a place at Momofuku ko looks a good idea for a 21st Birthday meal.

            1. re: riabibby
              michelleats Jun 27, 2011 08:23 AM

              I've been to all of them, though not as frequently as some on this board. (I think it's Ellenost who goes every month?) I did not think Ssam Bar and Noodle Bar were *that* great, if you factor in the price, but I do think that Momofuku Ko is legitimately one of the best restaurants in NYC and possibly the US. I've only had two dinners at Ko, never the lunch. It's a spendy splurge, but I think it is worth it.

              I know there are many who love Milk Bar, but I've disliked all the baked goods I've ever tried, there, including various truffle balls, crack pie and cookies. These tend to be very, very sweet and remind me of the kind of thing you can get at church bake sales in the southern and mid-western US. (Not a bad thing in everyone's book, but I just do not like them.) I haven't tried the famed cereal soft serve.

              Do you mind laying out your search criteria again? It sounds like they've become broader, or perhaps just more focused! It could us recommend places you'd like. For instance, I've been hearing a lot about Korzo Haus (er... maybe it's just Korzo House). It's eastern European (not French, Italian, tapas-y), inexpensive, and several Chowhounds say it's very good food. Perhaps you'd like a place like that?

              Oh -- and one more thing! Is Brooklyn an option for you? There are some places I've heard wonderful things about in BK, including a tapas place called Traif. If that sounds like a good option for you, why don't you post on the Outer Boroughs board for additional suggestions? Food tends to be a better value outside of Manhattan and there are a lot of wonderful meals to be found.

              Momofuku Ssam Bar
              207 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10003

              Momofuku Noodle Bar
              171 1st Ave, New York, NY 10003

              Momofuku Ko
              163 1st Ave, New York, NY 10003

              Momofuku Milk Bar
              251 E 13th St, New York, NY 10003

              Korzo Haus
              178 E 7th St, New York, NY 10009

              1. re: michelleats
                riabibby Jun 27, 2011 10:53 AM

                I was so excited once you agreed Monofuku ko was a winner - but I just found out that they don't take reservations for 3 people; Complete buzz kill, but with 12 seats in a restaurant I understand. My mother has a soft spot for asian duck, so I think I'll tell her about the Ssam's Bar Duck lunches and take your advice of Ma Peche for dinner.

                My criteria? Haha! Well, for the sake of this topic I was looking for places that people believed could rival the 3PB for food quality with a similar atmosphere and price range/value. I wouldn't want to put all my criteria for the holiday down, people would shoot me for creating another "Must eat in NYC!" thread, created by YET ANOTHER tourist.

                I like the sound of Korzo Haus. Really all I am is a fiend for new experiences and aside from pergoies I havent branched out into eastern europe. I've grown up with two classical French trained chefs so i know my quality, and they have their love for well done french, italian and spanish cuisine. What they didnt realise is their daughter was going to get quite so passionate about good food and open them up to the world beyond classical cookery!

                My father would love to visit places in Brooklyn and Harlem, so I shall search through those boards to, thanks for the heads up.

                Ma Peche
                15 W 56th St, New York, NY 10019

                Korzo Haus
                178 E 7th St, New York, NY 10009

                1. re: riabibby
                  michelleats Jun 27, 2011 03:41 PM

                  >> My criteria? Haha! Well, for the sake of this topic I was looking for places that people believed could rival the 3PB for food quality with a similar atmosphere and price range/value.

                  So... to break that down:

                  - Casual, cozy atmosphere; smaller restaurant

                  - High quality ingredients with many locally sourced

                  - Price range around $50 / person, with wine, but without tax or tip (might be difficult in NYC, if you include wine or other drinks; not so difficult if you do not)

                  - Some preference for French, Spanish and Italian, but not set in stone

                  Is that accurate? You could definitely use these criteria to fish on the board, in a new thread. I bet a lot of people aren't reading this one because they aren't familiar with 3PB.

                  Harlem is part of Manhattan board, by the way, though coverage is a bit thin. There's a big Senegalese community around W 116th and W 117th St. Most restaurants in that area serve hearty, homestyle food. There's Marcus Samuelsson's much lauded Red Rooster (where President Obama visited on a recent trip). I think further west and further north, there are a lot of Dominican restaurants if you want to try that cuisine. And of course there are the old soul food standards like Amy Ruth's fried chicken, Sylvia's, Charles' Southern Style Kitchen.

                  My knowledge of this neighborhood isn't all that nuanced, though, so you might do well to search and then post a specific request for Harlem area restaurants if you have more specific questions.

                  Amy Ruth's
                  113 W 116th St, New York, NY 10026

                  Red Rooster
                  310 Lenox Ave, New York, NY 10027

                  1. re: michelleats
                    riabibby Jun 27, 2011 08:57 PM

                    Yes, that's pretty much it!
                    As I said, I shall put in some hours (days...) on the boards to find some places.

                    Thank you for all the time you've taken on giving me pointers.

                    1. re: michelleats
                      saacnmama Jul 24, 2011 02:46 AM

                      Do mind a brief hijack? Can you tell me a bit about the Senegalese restaurants you mention in Harlem? I'd love to find peanut sauce for vegetarians like a Senegalese friend used to make in his restaurant in Berlin. Unfortunately, my budget is nowhere near as high as the original poster's.

                      1. re: saacnmama
                        michelleats Jul 24, 2011 08:36 AM

                        I'd be happy to tell you what I know -- but really, I'm no expert. There are wonderful Chowhounds who live in and know the area well. I find DaveCook to be a wonderful resource for the area. I'd do a quick search for his posts.

                        Places I have tried and liked, though, include Africa Kine (sometimes just called "Africa": http://www.africakine.com/). It's probably the best known among non-west Africans in the city. You often see skinny Colombia kids there with tight jeans, horn rimmed glasses and Jew fros eating dinner next to big tables of Senegalese men. The food is stick-to-your-ribs homestyle fare and comes in massive portions. One plate is probably enough to feed a small family. They're nice about wrapping leftovers. Some of their best dishes like thiebou djeun are only available at lunchtime (or were last I went). I think they do a pretty good rendition of thiebou djeun.

                        Keur Sokhna (http://www.keursokhnaplus.com/) and Kaloum (http://www.yelp.com/biz/kaloum-restau...) also seem like good choices, though I've only eaten at these once, more than a year ago. I do remember that the mafe at Kaloum was well made. It's a brief menu, though, w/o much choice.

                        This is definitely a legitimate (and very interesting) subject for a new thread! You might be able to rope more Chowhounds into the discussion if you start one.


                        ETA: Sorry for the slow uptake. I just realized you probably do not eat meat, which might be tough at some of these restaurants. Many are pretty accommodating, though, and even if there is nothing on the menu officially, I bet if you went and ordered the peanut sauce used in mafe over, say, a plate of attieke or Keur Sokhna's plate of yasa veggies, they'd be happy to improvise.

                        Africa Kine
                        256 W 116th St, New York, NY 10026

                        120 W 116th St, New York, NY 10026

                        Keur Sokhna Plus
                        2249 Adam Clayton Powell Jr Blvd, New York, NY 10027

                        1. re: michelleats
                          saacnmama Jul 24, 2011 03:45 PM


                    2. re: riabibby
                      michelleats Jun 27, 2011 03:48 PM

                      p.s. I'm sorry about the three person rule at Momofuku Ko. That's frustrating! I know that single or other odd-numbered groups of diners have just advertised for another diner to join the group, in the past. If you are very interested in the restaurant, you could try that. Probably there are ways of doing this that are not awkward.

                      Momofuku Ko
                      163 1st Ave, New York, NY 10003

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