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Japanecdote Jun 12, 2011 08:59 PM

I have a question in general about chicken in Japan. I know in some places it's served raw as sashimi, so does that mean that there are no laws to regulate how cooked chicken should be?

I ask because of one situation in particular - I was at a yakitori place with friends and we were eating some (fantastic, delicious) breast-meat chicken. We'd all been eating the pieces in one bite, but a friend cut hers in half and found the middle to be very pink. We were torn on what to do - send it back or assume that's how it's supposed to be.

Is chicken often cooked "medium" here? Or does that seem like a mistake by the kitchen?

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    davidenemy Jun 12, 2011 10:08 PM

    I'm no expert, but the only time I had raw chicken was in a very expensive restaurant and the chicken was killed and served the same day.
    I highly doubt that a yakitori place would have fresh chicken and I would be worried if I were you.

    1. Robb S Jun 12, 2011 11:33 PM

      When yakitori places serve raw or semi-cooked chicken they generally source it from small farms where the birds are raised (and the meat is processed) in hygienic conditions, so that the meat can safely be eaten raw.

      Breast meat (sasami) in particular is often prepared the way you describe in good yakitori establishments - rest assured that that's the way they meant to serve it.

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        Silverjay Jun 13, 2011 06:11 AM

        Also, many yakitori shops- not just expensive high-end ones- get fresh meat deliveries nearly every day.

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        Asomaniac Jun 13, 2011 07:30 PM

        Please ignore davidenemy's post - raw, seared or rare chicken is served in very many yakitori places (certainly not just high end), it is absolutely delicious and I have never had any digestive or other problems with it. Only yesterday I went to a yakitori place which did some very good chicken tataki - essentially raw checken seared over some coal - and rare sasami (a certain part of the breast).

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          prasantrin Jun 14, 2011 04:26 AM

          While I agree that eating raw or "medium" chicken in Japan is much safer than eating the same in the US or elsewhere, problems do arise. A friend's friend (I know, I know, but it's a true story) suffered a miscarriage because of listeria from eating not-fully-cooked chicken. The friend's friend was Japanese, and this happened in Japan.

          Were I sickly or if my immune system were somehow compromised, I would avoid eating raw or semi-cooked chicken in Japan. That being said, I am not, and have no problem with it.

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            happecamper Jun 19, 2011 09:54 PM

            Not sure about the official regulations governing how chicken should be cooked, but in your example, I'm sure it was not a mistake by the kitchen. Chicken that is served raw in the middle or completely raw is very common at yakitori and other jidori chicken restaurants all over Japan. And it's not limited to breast meat, as I've eaten chicken tataki from all parts before.

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              jem589 Jun 19, 2011 10:09 PM

              Reiterating and adding a little:
              The degree of doneness is usually specific to what you're eating. Is you get sasami like Robb says (aren't these called 'tenderloin' in America?), often with wasabi or plum topping, it'll be cooked outside but not browned or charred, and still raw inside. If you get 'toriwasa', or chicken-wasabi, it'll be either raw or just cooked on the outside, then chopped. If you get tacowasa, it'll be octopus and you'll know you're not in a chicken shop. If you're in a Miyazaki chicken specialist, you should watch out, because their chickens are more free-range, and the raw meat is (to my American tastes) unconscionably chewy.

              However I think it's pretty much always the way they intended it. My rule for eating raw stuff in Japan is "If it's on the menu, it's safe to eat."

              Without minimizing Prasantrin's story, do you know how many raw eggs are eaten every day in Japan? I see where the International Egg Commission estimates Japanese whole-egg consumption at about .5 per person per day (160 per person per year; I'm not making this up, by the way), and if half or 1/3 of these are raw (over rice for breakfast, with dinner for dipping beef or chicken, as a ramen/curry topping...), we're still at 15-20 million raw eggs daily. My extremely drawn-out point is that poultry management seems to work differently here, and our deeply-rooted foreign fears just don't exist.

              And I like raw chicken. I said to someone in New Jersey last week "If you like chicken and you like sushi, you'll like raw chicken."

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                jem589 Jun 23, 2011 03:04 PM

                Beating a dead horse (though this isn't basashi):

                 
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                Japanecdote Jun 23, 2011 08:41 PM

                Thanks for all the replies, everyone!

                This actually happened a few months ago and I was just remembering it and was curious... no one got sick or anything and we didn't bring it up to the restaurant.

                I'm glad I found out it was 'rare' in the middle after I'd already eaten a few - they were delicious and I may not have eaten them if I'd seen that first, or at least eaten them more cautiously.

                I probably won't be eating chicken sashimi any time soon, but I will try more yakitori with a pink middle.

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