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Ottojr Jun 8, 2011 11:59 AM

So what is good in New York? I am a Visitor

I read many of the threads here and I notice a common theme in some of them. I see were many say there is not any good BBQ in New York, no good thai in New York, no good cupcakes in New York and on and on.

So tell me what is Good in New York? What cuisine or food shines? It does not matter price. With any help from you all I might make some new discoveries and be upgraded from the tourist traps.

I thank you in advance for any help.

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    Ottojr Jun 10, 2011 06:41 AM

    I am from Bermuda. Trust me there are a few good restaurants here but many suck. There is no good Chinese or Thai here. I really appreciate the help.

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    1. re: Ottojr
      scoopG Jun 10, 2011 07:19 AM

      Here are some Chinese options for you:

      Simple Food Tasting Tour:
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/711661#5661425

      Ah-Ping Snack Bar:
      http://www.chow.com/digest/7568/in-chinatown-fujianese-soul-with-a-subtle-hand/

      Amazing 66:
      http://www.chowhound.com/topics/340879

      Cha Chan Tang:
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/776130

      East Corner Wonton:
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/611302?tag=boards;topic-611302

      Great New York Noodletown:
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/678367

      Henan Flavor:
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/774685

      Hsin Wong:
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/765892

      Mei Li Wah:
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/605528

      Noodle Village:
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/493604

      Oriental Garden:
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/764593

      South China Garden:
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/679270
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/750220

      Red Egg:
      http://www.chow.com/manhattan_digest/6625?tag=search_results;results_list
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/610102?tag=main_body;topic-610102
      http://www.redeggnyc.com/

      Fujian operated Homemade, Hand-Pulled Noodle spots:
      http://www.chowhound.com/topics/492376
      http://www.chowhound.com/topics/504362

      Fujian:
      Best Fuzhou Restaurants: Note the Best Fuzhou one on Forsyth Street has changed hands and is a small Fuzhou style buffet place...
      http://www.chowhound.com/topics/483902

      Double Dragon:
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/714304

      Sichuan:
      Famous Sichuan:
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/753398

      Old Sichuan:
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/742493?tag=search_results;results_list#6143259
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/753976

      Szechuan Gourmet:
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/459240
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/591930
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/631403

      http://events.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/dining/reviews/23rest.html?scp=1&sq=szechuan%20gourmet&st=cse

      Legend:
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/736719

      Lan Sheng
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/673788

      Shanghainese:
      Shanghai Café Deluxe
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/769840
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/704166
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/583263

      Xian Famous Foods:
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/673306

      XLB – Soup Dumplings:
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/584869
      http://newyork.seriouseats.com/2009/0...

      Others worth mentioning:

      Big Wong King at 67 Mott Street, 10013.
      Fuleen Seafood at 11 Division Street, 10002.
      New Chao Chao at 111 Mott Street, 10013.
      Yogee Restaurant at 85 Chrystie Street, 10002.
      Yummy Noodles at 44 Bowery, 10013.

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      South China Garden
      22 Elizabeth St, New York, NY 10013

      Great New York Noodletown
      28 Bowery, New York, NY 10013

      Amazing 66
      66 Mott St, New York, NY 10013

      Best Fuzhou
      71 Eldridge St, New York, NY 10002

      Big Wong
      67 Mott St, New York, NY 10013

      Fuleen
      11 Division St, New York, NY 10002

      Hsin Wong
      72 Bayard St, New York, NY 10013

      New Chiu Chow
      111 Mott St, New York, NY 10013

      Shanghai Cafe
      100 Mott St, New York, NY 10013

      Noodle Village
      13 Mott St, New York, NY 10013

      Yogee
      85 Chrystie St, New York, NY 10002

      Yummy Noodles
      48 Bowery, New York, NY 10013

      Szechuan Gourmet
      21 W 39th St, New York, NY 10018

      Oriental Garden
      14 Elizabeth St, New York, NY 10013

      East Corner Wonton
      70 E Broadway, New York, NY 10002

      Double Dragon
      13 Eldridge St, New York, NY 10002

      Ah Ping Snack Bar
      2 E Broadway, New York, NY 10038

      Red Egg
      202 Centre Street, New York, NY 10013

      Famous Sichuan
      10 Pell St, New York, NY 10013

      Szechuan Gourmet
      244 W 56th St, New York, NY 10019

      Xi'an Famous Foods
      81 St. Marks Pl, New York, NY 10003

      Lan Sheng
      60 W 39th St, New York, NY 10018

      Xi'an Famous Foods
      88 E Broadway, New York, NY 10002

      Old Sichuan
      65 Bayard St, New York, NY 10013

      Legend
      88 7th Ave, New York, NY 10011

      Cha Chan Tang
      45 Mott St, New York, NY 10013

      He Nan Flavor
      68 Forsyth St, New York, NY 10002

      Mei Li Wah
      64 Bayard St, New York, NY 10013

      Xi'an Famous Foods
      67 Bayard St, New York, NY 10013

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      Ottojr Jun 9, 2011 04:03 PM

      Thanks for all your help and no I do not think New York is only about Tourist Traps. I just do not want to go to any.

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      1. re: Ottojr
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        AubWah Jun 9, 2011 05:52 PM

        otto if you say where you are from its easy to reccomend whats good here that sucks where you live. personally i never eat bbq in nyc, my favorite place is oklahoma joe's in olathe

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        sugartoof Jun 9, 2011 01:52 PM

        It really depends when you ask.

        A year ago, I might have sworn by Rub or Hill Country for BBQ. Now...I would tell you to head outside Manhattan. Nobody is saying there's absolutely no good BBQ in NY unless they're comparing it to the South. That's a high bar.

        Cupcakes? Keep it in perspective. It's a cupcake. Anyone moaning and groaning about Magnolia needs to sharpen their sweet tooth and enjoy life. If you want something above and beyond what you can bake at home, there is Robicelli, Chickalicious, Spot, the different sweet trucks, that now add to the landscape. If you can't find a passable cupcake in this city, you don't like cupcakes. Sure, most of the cupcakes are just kinda no thrills, generic tasting, but that's why you read reviews to save time from testing them all.

        ...and that's true of most foods. Our gripes are because we have specific tastes, and criteria and we know we can find better. As soon as you write off a cuisine in this city, it will be the next hot thing, and there will be more choices than you know what to do with.

        You'll do better on this forum if you ask for some specific advice.

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          Riverman500 Jun 9, 2011 11:12 AM

          Based on your profile and top 5 favorite restaurants, I'd suggest trying:

          - Junoon
          - The Dutch
          - Kin Shop
          - Zabb Elee
          - Keens
          - Telepan

          Since you mentioned that price does not matter, I'd also suggest the following restaurants, where you'll find dishes that you probably won't see anywhere else:

          - Momofuku Ko
          - Brooklyn Fare
          - Marea
          - Babbo

          As others have mentioned, NYC has its local specialties which may or may not be your thing.

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          Babbo
          110 Waverly Pl, New York, NY 10011

          Keens
          72 West 36th St., New York, NY 10018

          Telepan
          72 W. 69th Street, New York, NY 10023

          Momofuku Ko
          163 1st Ave, New York, NY 10003

          Marea
          240 Central Park South, New York, NY 10019

          Kin Shop
          469 6th Ave, New York, NY 10011

          The Dutch
          131 Sullivan St, New York, NY 10012

          Junoon
          27 W 24th St, New York, NY 10010

          Zabb Elee
          75 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10003

          1. Motosport Jun 9, 2011 08:21 AM

            New York may not have the best BBQ, cupcakes, etc. but you can great food of any kind (even Scottish) in New York City.

            Then again, NYC does have the best bagels, bialys, pastrami (and deli sammiches) and pizza in the world!!! I.M.H.O. of course!

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              bronwen Jun 9, 2011 07:58 AM

              This is silly - there's very good BBQ, thai and great cupcakes in New York!!!!
              Also most of the best chefs in the world - Eric Ripert, Daniel Boulud, Vongerichten, you could go on for ever. I would search out the chefs and try their restaurants as you seem to think NY is only about tourist traps.

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                nmprisons Jun 9, 2011 09:26 AM

                When I leave NYC in a few months, I will miss the bagels (Absolute), the Pastrami (Katz's), and the Thai food (Ayada, Zabb Elee) very, very much. Everything else exists elsewhere in this great country.

                Only people who have never been to Kansas City or Texas or North Carolina or Oklahoma think NYC has "very good BBQ" and "most of the best chefs in the world" don't live in the United States, let alone NYC (though meals I have had at Per Se and Le Bernardin have truly been world class).

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                Per Se
                10 Columbus Circle, New York, NY 10019

                Katz's Delicatessen
                205 E Houston St, New York, NY 10002

                Le Bernardin
                155 W. 51st St., New York, NY 10019

                Absolute Bagels
                2788 Broadway, New York, NY 10025

                Zabb Elee
                75 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10003

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                  uwsister Jun 9, 2011 03:15 PM

                  Yeah, I think the answer totally depends on where the visitor-in-question is coming from. NYC has good enough BBQ for me - but I've never been to the South (South Beach probably doesn't count.) Someone from KS or NC would be wasting time if he/she's only got four days in NYC and having BBQ as dinner.

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                    nmprisons Jun 9, 2011 03:17 PM

                    You have the better of this argument. If I had lived my whole life in the Northeast then NYC would clearly have the best BBQ available. I'll concede that much.

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                      uwsister Jun 9, 2011 03:26 PM

                      I don't think my post was in disagreement with your post, actually!

                  2. re: nmprisons
                    MVNYC Jun 9, 2011 03:23 PM

                    Re BBQ: I would not agree with this at all. I travel quite extensively for work and have eaten at many of the lauded places in TX, TN, AL and OK (I had Dreamland ribs two nights ago). While the BBQ there is good I would not say that it is head and shoulders above what you would get at Fette Sau or Hill Country in NYC. You are not going to find examples of the myriad BBQ styles but you will get good food.

                    People tend to give lend BBQ a particular mystique but there is really nothing about its preparation that would make it proprietary to a particular location. I have noticed one thing about many people who travel, they tend to romanticize particular food items. While there may be some things that are dependent on their location due to the fact that their ingredients don't travel well BBQ is not one of them.

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                    Hill Country
                    30 W 26th St, New York, NY 10010

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                  kathryn Jun 8, 2011 02:33 PM

                  How old are the threads you are reading? There have been recent arrivals (Zabb Elee to name one) that change how "good" or "bad" a certain cuisine is in NYC.

                  Well, it's all relative isn't it? What is "not good BBQ" to one person is "pretty good to another." And the perspective of people who used to live in the South or Asia or wherever is going to be biased in favor of where they grew up -- the first time/place you try a certain food often sets the standard for the rest of your life.

                  There is definitely good BBQ in Manhattan (Dinosaur, Hill Country) and good Thai (Rhong Tiam, Zabb Elee) and good cupcakes (Butter Lane, Sugar Sweet Sunshine).

                  Cupcakes are particularly hard to debate because quality control is so difficult (especially dry cake when you are baking large batches).

                  Here are some threads below on things I think NYC is good at, like breakfast & brunch, bagels/smoked salmon, pickles, egg creams, pastrami sandiches, pizza, mixology / craft cocktails, a few "ethnic" niches, street food etc.

                  If you come back w/ a list of places you're interested in or a proposed itinerary, you'll get even more responses.

                  Best breakfast and brunch:
                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/707772

                  Please help me eat during a month in new york
                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/716238

                  Don't leave NY without eating these foods
                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/610739

                  Pizza in NYC
                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/692820#5454962

                  BTW, I highly recommend RGR's self guided Lower East Side Gustatory tour but sub in Pickle Guys for Guss' Pickles:
                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/493333

                  Best foodie shopping:
                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/585538
                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/697174
                  http://www.chow.com/lists/33
                  http://www.chow.com/lists/924

                  Union Square Greenmarket advice
                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/705073
                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/727570

                  Best mixology / bespoke cocktails:
                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/609073
                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/709227

                  Bars for beer geeks
                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/733207
                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/572919

                  For non-Western European/American
                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/729498
                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/731732

                  Foreign Street Grub
                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/701278

                  totally obscure, odd, and intriguing menu items
                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/722130

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                  Union Square Greenmarket
                  Broadway and E 17th St, New York, NY 10003

                  Pickle Guys
                  49 Essex St, New York, NY 10002

                  Hill Country
                  30 W 26th St, New York, NY 10010

                  Sugar Sweet Sunshine
                  126 Rivington St, New York, NY 10002

                  Butter Lane
                  123 E 7th St, New York, NY 10009

                  Dinosaur Bar-B-Que
                  777 W. 125th Street, New York, NY 10027

                  Rhong-Tiam Express
                  31 E 21st St, New York, NY 10010

                  Rhong-Tiam Garden
                  154 Orchard St, New York, NY 10002

                  Zabb Elee
                  75 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10003

                  1. thew Jun 8, 2011 12:17 PM

                    there is good thai in new york. there are good cupcakes in new york, there is more than decent bbq in new york.

                    that said

                    pizza, bagels, regional chinese, italian, italian american, jewish deli, greek, ethiopian, - ok im boring myself.

                    i havent found good cambodian here. everything else is ok

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