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Singapore family with 2 kids to Los Angeles seeking advise.

FourSeasons Jun 8, 2011 02:50 AM

We will be staying at Beverly Hilton for 5-6 days. We will rent a car so any place within 20-30 minutes drive is acceptable to us. Looking more for family friendly places rather than expensive high end or fine dining restaurants. I have researched the past threads and come out with some questions. Would appreciate if you can comment and advise me:

1. Sushi: what is the budget for Mori per person?
2. Spago: is this a friendly place for kids age 10 and 13?
3. Mexican : Is Border Grill the best Mexican near the hotel area?
4. Brunch: Gjelina or Zengo?
5. Italian: please recommend your favorite.
6. Any good Vietnum Pho place?
7. Any excellent ice cream or places kids will love?
8. Steak house, beside Cut, Lawry's?
9. How far is the drive to Korean Park's BBQ?
10. Any good comfort Cantonese restaurants within 10-15 min drive from the hotel?
11. Any must eat places in your opinion that we should try on our visit?

Thanks in advanced.

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Park's BBQ
955 S. Vermont Ave, Suite G, Los Angeles, CA 90006

Border Grill
1445 4th St., Santa Monica, CA 90401

Spago
176 North Canon Drive, Beverly Hills, CA 90210

Zengo
395 Santa Monica Place, Santa Monica, CA 90401

Gjelina
1429 Abbot Kinney Blvd, Venice, CA 90291

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  1. Servorg RE: FourSeasons Jun 8, 2011 08:07 PM

    1. Are you intending to do an "omakase" type sushi experience in which you just sit back and take what comes until you're full? If so then you should budget from $120 to $175 per person. But you can also limit the cost before hand to some set price and order by the piece until you hit your budgetary limit.

    2. Yes, Spago would be a fine place for you and your kids.

    3. I would strongly suggest you go to the "permanent" original Farmer's Market at 3rd and Fairfax and eat at Loteria Grill for Mexican in that area. Much better than Border Grill and lots of other nice, family friendly things to enjoy.

    4. For good, family friendly Italian within a reasonable budget and distance from your hotel I suggest Brunello's in Culver City.

    8. Other excellent steakhouses close by would include Arnie Morton's, Ruth's Chris and the newer Wolfgang (no relation to Puck).

    Close by and worth the visit would be to take the kids for breakfast at the Fountain Room http://www.beverlyhillshotel.com/the-... at the Pink Palace (aka the Beverly Hills Hotel) on Sunset. Great place and the setting is our equivalent of the Raffles in your home town. It's counter seating only, but I think you'll all enjoy the experience.

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    Ruth's Chris Steak House
    224 South Beverly Drive, Beverly Hills, CA 90212

    Arnie Morton's, the Steakhouse-Beverly Hills
    435 S. La Cienega Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90048

    Loteria Grill
    6333 W 3rd St, Los Angeles, CA 90036

    Beverly Hills Hotel
    9641 W Sunset Blvd, Beverly Hills, CA 90210

    Wolfgang's Steakhouse
    445 N. Canon Drive, Beverly Hills, CA 90210

    Brunello Trattoria
    6001 Washington Blvd, Culver City, CA 90232

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    1. re: Servorg
      Servorg RE: Servorg Jun 8, 2011 10:05 PM

      One other idea on the "ice cream" part of your search. If the kids will eat gelato you could go to
      Al Gelato in Beverly Hills. Their coffee crunch and chocolate hazel nut flavors are both wonderful. While their tomato sauce is an acquired taste (it's on the sweet side) the do some very good spaghetti and meat balls if you want something inexpensive and very casual.

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      Al Gelato Continental Desserts
      806 S Robertson Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90035

      1. re: Servorg
        wienermobile RE: Servorg Jun 9, 2011 01:42 AM

        Really agree with The Original Farmers Market on 3rd and Fairfax. Open every day and everyone can try something different and still eat together. Great for families, A true taste of LA.
        http://www.farmersmarketla.com/

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        Farmers Market
        6333 W 3rd St, Los Angeles, CA 90036

        1. re: wienermobile
          Mr Taster RE: wienermobile Jun 9, 2011 03:49 AM

          ...but avoid Banana Leaf in the Farmer's Market-- it's fine for us (we really don't have many Singapore/Malay options) but it will just disappoint you :)

          Also, Farmer's Market is fun, but it's a culinary minefield with some very bad restaurants ("The Bear Pit" is just terrible, terrible barbecue. The French Creperie and Monsieur Marcel are bland to terrible). My favorite place at the market is the chicken schwaerma plate with baba ghanouj and tabbouleh at Moishe's. Du Par's for traditional American breakfast done well. Bob's for great buttermilk crumb donuts dunked in coffee. Search the board for other recommendations.

          Mr Taster

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          Moishe's Restaurant
          6333 W 3rd St Ste 336, Los Angeles, CA 90036

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            paprkutr RE: wienermobile Jul 12, 2011 02:18 AM

            A must is the English Toffee at Little Johns.

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              wienermobile RE: paprkutr Jul 12, 2011 02:26 AM

              Yes! My favorite candy in Los Angeles.
              http://www.littlejohnscandies.com/

        2. Peripatetic RE: FourSeasons Jun 8, 2011 08:42 PM

          3. In addition to Loteria, you might also consider Monte Alban at 11927 Santa Monica Blvd. Neither Loteria nor Monte Alban are the best Mexican restaurants in the LA area, but they are probably the best ones within 20-30 minutes of BH.

          6. Not that I know of. Most decent pho is at least 45 minutes away, in the San Gabriel Valley (SGV). I would be surprised if anything was better than you can find in Singapore. The one place you might want to consider is 9021Pho in BH. I haven't been there, but I've been to Kimmy's previous restaurant (Michelia, near the Beverly Center) which was good. Some respectable critics really like 9021Pho%3

          http://sinosoul.com/2009/12/9021pho-y...

          7. The best one I can think of near BH is Sweet Rose Creamery in Brentwood: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/70687

          9. Probably about 30 minutes if traffic isn't too bad.

          10. No. The best Cantonese restaurants are in the SGV, namely, Sea Harbour and Elite. These are around 45 minutes to an hour away from BH. In any case, I would be surprised if they surpass the Cantonese available in Singapore.

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          1. re: Peripatetic
            Servorg RE: Peripatetic Jun 8, 2011 09:55 PM

            I hate to say this, but I had a pretty disappointing lunch at Monte Alban last Saturday in that the tamal with the black mole was pretty dried out and just not up to their usual standards. I was sharing appetizers with a friend of my wife and I didn't say anything at the time, but it wasn't nearly as good as in the past. Hopefully it was just an off day...We also shared the chorizo con queso (that was fine) and the goat taco, which had a fairly pedestrian (read dry - maybe past its "use by" date) tortilla.

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            Monte Alban
            11927 Santa Monica Blvd, Los Angeles, CA

            1. re: Servorg
              Peripatetic RE: Servorg Jun 9, 2011 03:16 AM

              I have to admit I haven't been to Monte Alban recently; now that I live in Pasadena it's too far to go for Mexican. Servorg is a very reputable hound, so based on his report, avoid Monte Alban.

              1. re: Peripatetic
                Servorg RE: Peripatetic Jun 9, 2011 03:28 AM

                I hope it was a one time thing. Anyone who has been recently, please chime in. I've always loved Monte Alban and recommended it many, many times here in the past years. So lets just see who else posts and what they have to say...

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                Monte Alban
                11927 Santa Monica Blvd, Los Angeles, CA

            2. re: Peripatetic
              wienermobile RE: Peripatetic Jun 9, 2011 01:18 AM

              + 1 for Sweet Rose Creamery. Some of the best ice cream in LA. Try the Fresh Mint with Home Made Chocolate Chips and the Salted Caramel...wow.
              http://www.sweetrosecreamery.com/

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              Sweet Rose Creamery
              225 26th St #51, Los Angeles, CA 90049

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                bulavinaka RE: wienermobile Jun 9, 2011 10:29 AM

                I urge the OP to try the lime coconut sorbet. I think this will be right up the OP's flavor range. If it's a big hit, take this memory back to Singapore, create the flavor there, and make a million in Sing $$.

            3. keepon RE: FourSeasons Jun 8, 2011 09:56 PM

              4. Brunch: Definitely Gjelina, go earlier and try to secure a table outside if it's sunny.
              5. LA is not strong in Italian, but have you checked out review on Sotto or Angelina Osteria?
              7. Ice Cream: Scoops Westside? Not really a kids place but they got very interesting ice cream flavors
              9. Parks BBQ: Def within 30mins, if you take Olympic Blvd instead of Wilshire Blvd and well worth the drive
              10. Unfortunately no, and I'm quite sure Cantonese in Singapore is better than what you can get within 10-15min drive

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              Scoops Westside
              10640 Woodbine St, Los Angeles, CA 90034

              Gjelina
              1429 Abbot Kinney Blvd, Venice, CA 90291

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                paprkutr RE: keepon Jul 12, 2011 02:19 AM

                Actually Third Street is the best going east and west, even going into east L.A. I drive these all the time.

              2. wienermobile RE: FourSeasons Jun 8, 2011 10:34 PM

                My teenage sons love Fogo de Chao in Beverly Hills. All you can eat Brazilian steaks and side dishes with wandering Gauchos presenting skewers of various meats at your table. Great food and great service, your plate will never be empty. Also one of the best salad bars in Los Angeles is included.

                http://www.fogodechao.com/locations/

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                Fogo De Chao
                133 N La Cienega Blvd, Beverly Hills, CA 90211

                1. raytamsgv RE: FourSeasons Jun 9, 2011 02:26 AM

                  Please keep in mind LA traffic during rush hour. Depending on where and when you go, it may be heavy in one direction and light in the other. Once you have decided your destinations, ask the hotel staff about the traffic conditions for the desired time.

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                    Servorg RE: raytamsgv Jun 9, 2011 02:30 AM

                    You mean it wasn't just my imagination that Pico was absolutely "grid locked" in both directions going through WLA last night? ;-D>

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                      ipsedixit RE: raytamsgv Jun 9, 2011 12:29 PM

                      Once you have decided your destinations, ask the hotel staff about the traffic conditions for the desired time.

                      ___________________________

                      Why?

                      Just assume traffic is going to bad. Why? Because it is.

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                      L.A. Jay RE: FourSeasons Jun 9, 2011 05:46 AM

                      Not to be too repetitive, but the Farmers Market is a MUST! Loteria is a great choice, but my absolute fave is Pampa's Brazilian Grill. All the meats are grilled over real mesquite charcoal and they have excellent side dishes. I think the donut and ice cream place there is waaaaay over-hyped. For donuts, hit up Stan's in Westwood Village. It's about a 12 mile drive to downtown for two of L.A.'s most legendary sandwiches: the french dip at Philippe's and pastrami at Langer's.

                      1. Porthos RE: FourSeasons Jun 9, 2011 06:17 AM

                        1. Sushi. If you were not impressed with Yasuda, you're not going to be impressed with Mori. About the same level but Yasuda had twice as many types of fish and way better eel. Go straight for Urasawa or nothing given your standards.

                        5. Italian. Pizzeria Mozza. Osteria Mozza would be similar to Babbo which I believe you also had a negative experience. The pizzas are very good at P.Mozza and different from NYC pizza. I would also recommend the antipasti al forno. Depending on when you plan on going, you might try Mozza2go's Friday or Saturday night theme events. Very unique to LA. July has Friday night crab dinners. Saturdays are usually pork.

                        http://www.mozza2go.com/calendar.cfm

                        8. Why not Cut? If you want high quality aged steaks, this is it.

                        11. Look into LQ@SK. 5 courses for $45 on Sunday-Tuesday nights only. "Pop-up" restaurant by one of the most creative and talented chefs in the city. Casual setting. Exciting food. Stop by KL and bring your own wine.

                        http://www.bistrolq.com/LQ/SK/Menu/

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                        Urasawa Restaurant
                        218 N Rodeo Dr, Beverly Hills, CA 90210

                        Pizzeria Mozza
                        641 N. Highland Avenue, Los Angeles, CA 90036

                        Osteria Mozza
                        6602 Melrose Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90036

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                          maudies5 RE: Porthos Jun 9, 2011 08:30 AM

                          A few other suggestions:
                          The Brentwood Country Mart is very family friendly. The chicken basket at Reddi Chick has been a favorite of thousands for years and years.
                          Given that you will be in Beverly Hills, I suggest Il Pastaio for lunch or dinner. The food is great, family friendly, sweet service and about a 15 minute walk from the Hilton. Even closer Italian restaurant is Da Pasquale. Delicious bread, chicken but I prefer Il Pastaio for the pasta.
                          My kids always loved the Apple Pan on Pico Blvd. Great burgers, counter service only and get there before noon to get 4 seats together.
                          Have fu!

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                          Apple Pan
                          10801 W Pico Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90064

                          Il Pastaio Restaurant
                          400 N Canon Dr, Beverly Hills, CA 90210

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                            maudies5 RE: Porthos Jun 9, 2011 10:43 AM

                            A lot of kids that age are really turned off at the thought of eating offal.

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                              CynAmyn RE: maudies5 Jun 9, 2011 11:10 AM

                              Just an aside re: The Farmers Market. Try to avoid Chipoltle (any location) as an option for Mexican food. There are so many more choice that are worlds better.
                              It might help if others add restos that should probably be avoided.
                              For the time and expense it would be ashame to waste a meal and money on a turist trap.

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                                Porthos RE: maudies5 Jun 9, 2011 11:54 AM

                                Depends what part of the world they are from. Certain kids from certain parts of Asia are probably seasoned offal eaters by the age of 10. If not, more foie gras and sweetbreads for mommy and/or daddy.

                              2. re: Porthos
                                FourSeasons RE: Porthos Jun 9, 2011 05:56 PM

                                @Porthos:
                                1. you probably misunderstood me. It was not that I was not impressed with Yasua, it is just that i don't think he is in the same league as the top end segment in Tokyo. But I don't live in Tokyo so I would always enjoy a decent sushi meal anywhere since the best is not available to me all the time. As to Urasawa, a $500-600 meal is way too expensive IMHO. My all time favorite Sushi chef in Tokyo called Sawada charges around US$350 nett per person so that is the max I will pay for the very best. Mori's $150 is acceptable but Urasawa's range is absurd.
                                5. As to Babbo, my only problem is Maitre D' attitude, I like the food there and the waiter was friendly. The other hound "CharlesYu" was the one who had negative impression. Osteria and Pozzeria Mozza has opened a branch in Singapore recently. I am sure the LA branch is superior but I assume the style is similar so not too sure if I want to venture there.
                                6. Same reason as Mozza: CUT has opened a branch in Singapore as well; last I went there, business was packed even though the price tag was very expensive. CUT charges around US$250 nett per person there; what about in LA?

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                                Urasawa Restaurant
                                218 N Rodeo Dr, Beverly Hills, CA 90210

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                                  Porthos RE: FourSeasons Jun 9, 2011 10:43 PM

                                  I'm a firm believer that the original is often times far superior than the over seas branch. For example Guy Savoy Vegas vs Guy Savoy Paris or Twist Vegas vs Pierre Gagnaire Paris or even Joe's Stone Crab Miami vs Joe's Stone Crab Vegas..not even close to the original in terms of quality and experience. But your sentiment is understandable. However, Pizzeria Mozza and Cut remain two of LA's top restaurants for good reason and I would suggest reconsidering despite the Singapore branches. Scarpetta would be my second recommendation for Italian after Mozza.

                                  Cut US will probably cost you half of CUT Singapore if we're not including wine. Especially if you stick to the American steaks such as the dry aged Nebraska rib eye and pass on the New Zealand and Australian wagyu which I'm sure there is plenty of in Singapore.

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                                  Pizzeria Mozza
                                  641 N. Highland Avenue, Los Angeles, CA 90036

                                  Scarpetta
                                  225 N Canon Dr, Beverly Hills, CA 90210

                                  1. re: Porthos
                                    FourSeasons RE: Porthos Jun 9, 2011 10:59 PM

                                    I recall CUT Singapore focus mainly on the wagyu beef: American wagyu from Snake River Farm Idaho; Japanese wagyu from Saga Prefecture and aged Australian wagyu from Ranger range. Yes, absolutely agree with you the original branch is often far superior to oversea branch; I know for a fact that the Lawry's in LA is far superior to the one in Singapore. And not just the quality but the other attraction is that the prices in steak houses in U.S. are generally 30 to 50% cheaper than the equivalent in Singapore as well. The price I quoted above for CUT Singapore does not include wine so again confirm my suspicion.
                                    What is your second recommendation for steak after CUT?

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                                      Porthos RE: FourSeasons Jun 9, 2011 11:45 PM

                                      After CUT, I would probably recommend Wolfgang's (also in Beverly Hills) because it is the only major steakhouse I have NOT been to in LA. Ruth's Chris and Morton's are many levels below CUT. Mastro's chef's cut ribeye is very good but in my opinion Mastro is still a level or two below CUT if you consider the types of meat offered and the quality. Craft is good but as you know a branch of the NYC original.

                                      Wolfgang's is modeled after Peter Luger's in New York.

                                      CUT LA is the original whereas every other steakhouse is chain from somewhere else.

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                                      Mastros Restaurant
                                      2087 E. Thousand Oaks Blvd., Thousand Oaks, CA 91362

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                                        Heidi RE: FourSeasons Jun 10, 2011 02:44 AM

                                        It is not as high end as CUT (prices and caliber/specificity of meats), but I have had a couple of enjoyable meals at BLT Steak on the Sunset Strip. I would rate BLT under CUT but def. above Mortons.

                                        I think you've gotten really good feedback from others on other areas, so I won't comment other than to say I have never had a bad meal at Pizzera or Osteria Mozza whereas I though the service was great at Scarpetta, but the food quality varied over the courses and items.

                                        Hope you enjoy your visit!.

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                                        Osteria Mozza
                                        6602 Melrose Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90036

                                        Scarpetta
                                        225 N Canon Dr, Beverly Hills, CA 90210

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                                      joshekg RE: FourSeasons Jun 11, 2011 04:02 AM

                                      Sawada is also my favorite sushi place in Tokyo (though for value I'd go for Sushi Dai). In LA I only eat sushi at Mori - so it get's my recommendation. I just had dinner there this week for around $100 pp after tax and tip.

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                                        hong_kong_foodie RE: FourSeasons Jun 11, 2011 01:13 PM

                                        FourSeasons: I have not been to the Mozzas in Singapore (though I'm going next month) but I've been to both the Pizzeria and the Osteria in LA many times, and they are very, very good.

                                        I particularly like the pastas at the Osteria (assertive flavors, very al dente pastas, in general close to what you find in Italy) and recommend: (1) bucatini all'amatriciana (2) orecchiette with sausage (3) tagliatelle with oxtail ragu (4) and pici with duck ragu. The mozzarella bar is also quite good, though the burrata at the end of the day is local and not as good as what you find in Italy.

                                        I also like the Pizzeria a lot and recommend: (1) Funghi misti, fontina, taleggio & thyme (2) Fennel sausage, panna, red onion & scallions and (3) Fennel sausage, panna, red onion & scallions. And don't forget to order the budino for dessert.

                                        Park's BBQ is awesome. Just order the #3 seasoned galbi and let them do the rest.

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                                        Park's BBQ
                                        955 S. Vermont Ave, Suite G, Los Angeles, CA 90006

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                                          hong_kong_foodie RE: hong_kong_foodie Jun 26, 2011 06:39 AM

                                          Just tried Mozza in Singapore last week and would advise FourSeasons to skip it in LA based on that one experience. Not sure how they did it but the incredible team behind Mozza in LA has figured out a way to bring an almost identical version of their food to Singapore almost 9000 miles. Quite impressive to say the least!

                                          The pizzas were very similar to the ones in LA. The flavors were the same, and the shape and size were identical. The one difference was that the crust was generally harder, resulting in a less stretchy and chewy bite.

                                          The pastas were identical to the ones in LA. The flavors were just as assertive and intense, the pasta cooked to the same degree of firmness, and the portions were identical.

                                          I didn't get to try the mozzarella bar but I would guess it could actually be superior since Mozza in Singapore import a lot of the cheeses from Italy, as opposed to Mozza in LA which has to grow everything locally due to import restrictions.

                                          Decor wise, the place looks the same with the one difference being that Mozza in Singapore is located in very fancy shopping mall as opposed to being a stand alone restaurant in LA. Imagine Mozza inside the Beverly Center (or South Coast Plaza might be more appropriate, given the enormity of Marina Bay Sands) and that is what it looks like.

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                                            Porthos RE: hong_kong_foodie Jun 26, 2011 03:28 PM

                                            Gotta love that B&B Midas touch.

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                                          epop RE: FourSeasons Jun 27, 2011 03:14 AM

                                          Skip Spago. You'll see right through the hype.

                                          A lot of the meals described are fine but nothing you will be dreaming about back home.
                                          Mori, Cut, Mozza, some San Gabriel Valley explorations are what I'd recommend.

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                                          Spago
                                          176 North Canon Drive, Beverly Hills, CA 90210

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                                            Servorg RE: epop Jun 27, 2011 03:38 AM

                                            "Skip Spago. You'll see right through the hype."

                                            I have to strongly disagree with that assessment. Wolfgang Puck was one of the brightest lights that came out of Patrick Terrail's legendary "Ma Masion" and went on to be one of the earlier and seminal figures (after Alice Waters) in the development of California cuisine. Lee Hefter can still bring a great tasting menu to fruition and even a wonderful lunch on the patio can still set one's heart aflutter (or maybe that's just all the butter and cream talking? ;-D>) when the weather is gorgeous and you can sit back and really enjoy the food and the show.

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                                            Spago
                                            176 North Canon Drive, Beverly Hills, CA 90210

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                                              epop RE: Servorg Jun 28, 2011 02:06 AM

                                              Perhaps that history is true but to me the restaurant offers zero that I can't make at home.

                                              I guess, based on the responses, that I would recommend the OP not come to L.A., given that the food is far better in SIngapore. Or fly up to San Francisco instead? Monte Alban?? Ruth Chris? Hop Woo? Zengo?

                                              It is really kind of a joke.

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                                              Monte Alban
                                              11927 Santa Monica Blvd, Los Angeles, CA

                                              Hop Woo
                                              11110 W Olympic Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90064

                                              Zengo
                                              395 Santa Monica Place, Santa Monica, CA 90401

                                              1. re: epop
                                                Servorg RE: epop Jun 28, 2011 02:13 AM

                                                So you figure that the Oaxacan/Mexican food is better in Singapore than the LA area? What about Korean food? Better in Singapore? And I'm sure that the OP is coming to LA for other than food. Should they just fast the entire time they're here visiting? And if you feel you can turn out a better dinner at home than a tasting meal at Spago in Beverly Hills I want to know where you developed your culinary chops at?

                                                ADD: Think you can find anything like this in Singapore? http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/IQHKve...

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                                                  epop RE: Servorg Jun 28, 2011 09:28 PM

                                                  You can't pay me to eat again at Monte Alban and can't speak for all the Oaxacan places. And I think a chef in Singapore can make a carne asada taco that blows just about any in L.A. out of the water, simply because of the quality of the ingredients and the attention to detail.
                                                  I can imagine exploring Koreatown, most certainly.
                                                  I'm not saying they should fast. But I am seriously disappointed by the level of dining here. Sure, they can go to Gjelina and have a nice meal. Or several of the other places mentioned. But I don't think Spago (or any of these places) is even in the top ten thousand restaurants in the world. But in Singapore you'll find several.
                                                  I'm not saying that I cook as well as Wolfgang Puck himself, but he's not the one cooking your food.

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                                                  Spago
                                                  176 North Canon Drive, Beverly Hills, CA 90210

                                                  Monte Alban
                                                  11927 Santa Monica Blvd, Los Angeles, CA

                                                  Gjelina
                                                  1429 Abbot Kinney Blvd, Venice, CA 90291

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                                                    sushigirlie RE: epop Jun 28, 2011 10:07 PM

                                                    This seems bitter and silly. While Singapore is one of the great food cities, Los Angeles is a huge area with an even more diverse population, and it's chock full of great food. I bet the Southern Thai menu at Jitlada would blow most Singaporeans away. Moreover, if Michelin stars are any indication, Los Angeles has plenty of restaurants in the top ten thousand in the world.

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                                                    Jitlada
                                                    5233 1/2 W Sunset Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90027

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                                                      hong_kong_foodie RE: sushigirlie Jun 28, 2011 11:05 PM

                                                      So sushigirlie - what Thai restaurants have you been to in Singapore? I just want to better understand what you're saying by establishing some points of reference.

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                                                        AAQjr RE: hong_kong_foodie Jun 28, 2011 11:58 PM

                                                        Still trying to figure out why everyone wants to send a well heeled visitor from Singapore, a great food city, and a stones throw from China, Japan and SE Asia for any Asian food?

                                                        I say go to some of the many seasonal cali restaurants already mentioned, a place like Eva that feels like your Mark Golds personal guest, some non Mozza Italian, maybe Vicenti or Valentino. One of the many Mexican restaurants mentioned.. If you are an out of town visitor the Restaurant at the Getty Center has a great view and very good food. Hit up Canter's on Fairfax or Nate n Al's for some old L.A. atmosphere and good Deli food.

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                                                        Getty Center
                                                        1200 Getty Center Drive, Los Angeles, CA 90049

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                                                        epop RE: sushigirlie Jun 29, 2011 03:12 AM

                                                        I walked out of Jitlada highly annoyed. Not good. Nothing compared to Thailand or the food I've had prepared by a noted Thai chef. Maybe once upon a time it was better but the meal I had there six months ago was a 3 out of 10.

                                                        So no bitterness. I've just had a lot better
                                                        and am sick and tired of putting up with the dumbing down that
                                                        has happened in many respects.

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                                                        Jitlada
                                                        5233 1/2 W Sunset Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90027

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                                                          epop RE: sushigirlie Jun 29, 2011 03:16 AM

                                                          BTW, the last time I checked Michelin had suspended rating the restaurants here in L.A.

                                                        2. re: epop
                                                          Servorg RE: epop Jun 28, 2011 10:46 PM

                                                          There is not a chance of a place in Singapore turning out superior Mexican food to what is available here in the SoCal area, top notch ingredients or not. I say that they ought to go to Animal and John Sedlar's Playa Rivera and then hit up Cacao Mexicatessen and then Moles La Tia and see what they think before transitioning to Park's BBQ.

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                                                          Park's BBQ
                                                          955 S. Vermont Ave, Suite G, Los Angeles, CA 90006

                                                          Animal
                                                          435 N Fairfax Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90036

                                                          Moles La Tia
                                                          4619 E Cesar E Chavez Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90022

                                                          Cacao Mexicatessen
                                                          1576 Colorado Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90041

                                                          Playa
                                                          7360 Beverly Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90036

                                                      3. re: epop
                                                        Porthos RE: epop Jun 28, 2011 02:23 AM

                                                        Actually, OP is going to SF also on the same trip.

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                                                      hong_kong_foodie RE: epop Jun 27, 2011 10:23 PM

                                                      Definitely not Mozza (see my post above) and no Japanese either since Singapore has far better options.

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                                                        AAQjr RE: hong_kong_foodie Jun 28, 2011 12:53 AM

                                                        Not SGV Chinese either, since he's looking for something close to BH. Sometimes you can't even make it to the freeway in 20 minutes from there.

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                                                          J.L. RE: AAQjr Jun 29, 2011 02:12 AM

                                                          Even if the distance was not a factor, the Chinese food in Singapore is vastly, enormously superior to what we have here in L.A.

                                                2. Das Ubergeek RE: FourSeasons Jun 9, 2011 11:57 AM

                                                  You will have to drive further for Vietnamese food.

                                                  I had dinner last week at Sotto and thought it excellent. Be judicious when ordering pizzas, though—while good, i thought the small and medium plates were far better. Also, don't miss out cocktails.

                                                  You could take the kids on a taco truck tour of East LA. Check other threads (sorry, I'm on my iPhone) for details or perhaps someone will chime in here.

                                                  1. ipsedixit RE: FourSeasons Jun 9, 2011 12:01 PM

                                                    1. Sushi: what is the budget for Mori per person?
                                                    As others have said, budget about 150+/person for omakase

                                                    2. Spago: is this a friendly place for kids age 10 and 13?
                                                    Should be ok.

                                                    3. Mexican : Is Border Grill the best Mexican near the hotel area?
                                                    No. In your area, I would go to Frida.

                                                    4. Brunch: Gjelina or Zengo?
                                                    Zengo

                                                    5. Italian: please recommend your favorite.
                                                    Valentino, La Buca, Osteria Mozza and Pizzeria Mozza

                                                    6. Any good Vietnum Pho place?
                                                    Head east, past downtown to SGV and search this board for "pho and sgv" like this ... http://goo.gl/Mn5y5

                                                    7. Any excellent ice cream or places kids will love?
                                                    Milk and Scoops (both are close to where you are)

                                                    8. Steak house, beside Cut, Lawry's?
                                                    Cut and Wolfgang's would be my recs. Lawry's is not steak (just prime rib), but still worth visiting for the kitsch-y ambiance if nothing else.

                                                    9. How far is the drive to Korean Park's BBQ?
                                                    With traffic about 30 minutes.

                                                    10. Any good comfort Cantonese restaurants within 10-15 min drive from the hotel?
                                                    You could probably make it to Chinatown in that time frame and go to JR Bistro.

                                                    11. Any must eat places in your opinion that we should try on our visit?
                                                    Ask a better question, this is too open-ended.

                                                    Enjoy your stay.

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                                                    Park's BBQ
                                                    955 S. Vermont Ave, Suite G, Los Angeles, CA 90006

                                                    Border Grill
                                                    1445 4th St., Santa Monica, CA 90401

                                                    Spago
                                                    176 North Canon Drive, Beverly Hills, CA 90210

                                                    JR Bistro
                                                    750 N Hill St, Los Angeles, CA 90012

                                                    Zengo
                                                    395 Santa Monica Place, Santa Monica, CA 90401

                                                    Gjelina
                                                    1429 Abbot Kinney Blvd, Venice, CA 90291

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                                                      miwine RE: ipsedixit Jun 9, 2011 12:25 PM

                                                      Sweet Rose Creamery in Brentwood is the Best ice cream by far. Enjoy your stay.

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                                                      Sweet Rose Creamery
                                                      225 26th St #51, Los Angeles, CA 90049

                                                      1. re: ipsedixit
                                                        Peripatetic RE: ipsedixit Jun 9, 2011 06:02 PM

                                                        > Milk and Scoops (both are close to where you are)

                                                        FYI:
                                                        - Beverly Hilton to Scoops (Heliotrope): ~ 7mi
                                                        - Beverly Hilton to Scoops Westside: ~ 4mi
                                                        - Beverly Hilton to Milk: ~ 4mi
                                                        - Beverly Hilton to Sweet Rose Creamy: ~ 5mi

                                                        All excellent places for ice cream.

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                                                        bulavinaka RE: FourSeasons Jun 9, 2011 02:05 PM

                                                        Hi FourSeasons,

                                                        If this is your first visit to LA, be prepared to drive. No MRT, the roads can be rough, and the traffic very heavy at times. Thinking of how skilled the average Singaporean driver is, the only thing that might take getting used to is driving on the other side of the road. Being that Singapore is one of the safest places in the world, many Singaporeans can feel some trepidation going to certain areas around our town. Daylight is your friend if that's the case, and most areas are safe during the day. Driving during off-peak hours is obviously the best choice, but I'm guessing you and your family have a lot of places and activities on your wish list. You might consider listing the places you intend on going and I think the folks on this board will offer a lot of eating options relative to your destinations. Five-six days will fly by, so planning each food experience with some alternatives might help.

                                                        I'm familiar with Singapore - I worked there back in the 90s, met my Malaysian wife there, and her brothers both live there. The density of food and the plethora of specialists in Singapore cannot be replicated here for the most part. Aside from the difference in cultures, Singapore is more of a vertical market, while LA is a sprawling quilt of neighborhoods, cities and cultures. Think of KL but a little more organized, 25 degrees cooler, and several more cultures in the mix.

                                                        I asked my wife, "What five places or types of food do you think a Singaporean would appreciate over here that one probably wouldn't find back home?"

                                                        1) You mentioned Mexican food. Mexican cuisine is a totally different range of flavors and kind of hot (spicy) from what you typically eat back home. Some take to it, some don't. We are kind of torn on this one because we've always had mixed results on Mexican cuisine introduced to folks from Asia. On one hand, a place like Casa Sanchez, which has a really nice layout, well-appointed rooms and Mariachi bands on many nights would be an experience that you won't find back home. However, the food is not bad, but definitely not the best. I think your kids might like things like taquitos (a.k.a. flautas), and you and your wife will probably take to margaritas, but the Mexican eating experience in LA is so broad and filled with gems all over the city. Mariscos Chente is something that Singaporeans would probably feel comfortable with, particularly the pescado zerandeado, aguachile and camarones a la diabla, as well as the quaint aspect that is a hallmark of the better food finds in Singapore and Malaysia.

                                                        If you've caught any word on the lunch truck phenomenon here in SoCal, the foundation of this movement is the Mexican lunch truck, or lonchera. The better trucks tend to stay in one spot for x-amount of hours during the day, but there are some areas that do have clusters of them - these would be an LA-version of the hawker centers back home. Here's a recent radio article from the OC Weekly's Gustavo Arellano:

                                                        http://blogs.kcrw.com/goodfood/2011/0...

                                                        The humble sandwich is something not common in Singapore. Finding a Mexican sandwich in Singapore would be near impossible (unless the Boat Quay/Clarke Quay area pulled another rabbit out of its hat). There's a great lonchera parked on Venice Blvd (probably about 20 minutes from the hotel midday) called, "Angelicas Cemitas Originales" with the words, "Cemitas Poblanas" painted on the back of the truck, which is what this style of Mexican Sandwich is called.

                                                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cemita
                                                        http://www.yelp.com/biz/angelicas-cem...

                                                        I think you will appreciate the combination of flavors, but particularly the nice chilli punch from the chipotle-based salsa. At $5 a pop, it has a high quality/price ratio. Pick your filling along with a Mexican Coke and you'll be set until dinner.

                                                        2) Korean Barbecue. Singaporeans truly appreciate freshly grilled food. Koreans do as well, and outside of heading to Seoul, your next best option is right here in LA. Park's has been mentioned - you should go. You will also appreciate the various panchan (similar to Teochew small dishes that accompany jook).

                                                        http://parksbbq.com/

                                                        3) Peruvian food is the first thing my brother-in-law from Singapore always asks for when he gets off the plane. Peruvian cuisine is nonexistent in Singapore so my brother-in-law tries to get his fill here. He's tried a few of the better eateries in LA, and he really likes Kotosh at Kamiyama - a Japanese-Peruvian eatery in Lomita. Tiraditos (Peruvian sashimi), cebiches (lime juice-marinated seafood), chicharron de mixto al ajo (fried seafood served on rice), picante de mariscos (mixed seafood in a spicy sauce - stew/soup-like), arroz chaufa (straight out of the Chinese cuisine playbook - Peruvian-style fried rice), and saltado (french fries, onions and tomatoes sauteed with choice of protein) are his favorite dishes there. However, Lomita is very far from your hotel - consider Mario's or Los Balcones del Peru in the general Hollywood area.

                                                        4) American barbecue. Big flavors. Lots of glorious meat. While Singaporeans judiciously spike their food with sambal, we aren't shy about slathering on bold barbecue sauces onto well-rubbed smoked meats. Most geographic regions in the US have their own style of barbecue, but I think the most favored style in LA would be Texas-style. Pork ribs, beef brisket, rib tips (kind of like American-style char siu) with sides of barbecue beans and potato salad are standards at any real barbecue joint. Bludso's in Compton is our favorite, but again, it's far from your hotel. For a similar experience, JnJ on West Adams in Midtown is probably about a 20-30 minutes-max drive from your hotel.

                                                        5) Rivera in Downtown LA. This suggestion kind of takes us full circle from where I started. Rivera is a smart restaurant that is known for its stylish and innovative takes on Pan-Latin cuisine, including Mexican. Like the other choices I've listed, you won't find anything like this in Singapore, and I think it's worth you giving a test run. It is more for adult diners, but our kids (younger than yours with the same age difference) enjoyed most of the dishes. I also mention Rivera with one of your mentioned places in mind as an alternative - Zengo. If I were to nix Rivera, I'd move Zengo up the list because its fusion of Asian and Latin might be interesting from your perspective - somewhat familiar yet unfamiliar and interesting at the same time.

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                                                        1. re: bulavinaka
                                                          FourSeasons RE: bulavinaka Jun 9, 2011 06:06 PM

                                                          This is not my first visit; I actually lived in LA for 3 months in the 80s. Last visit there was 5-6 years ago so looking forward to visit LA again.
                                                          Your info on 1), 3) and 5) overwhelms me!!! Definitely will try one or two in that three list. The only problem is my kids are not so adventurous. If I had traveled solo, it is not an issue at all to drive all the way to Lomita to venture for something that is totally unavailable in Singapore.

                                                        2. J.L. RE: FourSeasons Jun 9, 2011 02:38 PM

                                                          Thanks for your help with my recent trip to Singapore (the greatest food city on Earth, in my opinion), FourSeasons!

                                                          The least I could do is return the favor for you in my hometown of L.A. As someone who has gone to Singapore 5-6 times for food tours already, I will steer you clear of our Chinese food, Cantonese food, Malaysian food, and Indian food in L.A., since you will find those genres in Singapore to be FAR superior to L.A. in all of these areas.

                                                          Warning about the freeways: They can be jammed on the weekends. If you are coming to L.A. on the weekend of July 16-18th, the 405-Freeway (a major artery), will be closed completely (in both directions) for major construction. This will likely make traffic so congested on those days, we locals are calling it "Car-mageddon". Be warned.

                                                          1. Mori: About $110 to $150 per person, food only. Sit at the bar for best experience.

                                                          2. Yes. Spago is fine for kids. I recommend it.

                                                          3. Nuevo Latino/Mexican food at Rivera, in Downtown L.A. (near Staples Center), about 20-25 minutes driving time.

                                                          4. The Sunday brunch at Scarpetta (in Beverly Hills) is fantastic. Get their spaghetti - Simple, fresh, and exquisite. Scarpetta is also a candidate for Best Italian, though the brunch there is so much more than just Italian food.

                                                          5. Best Italian: Colori Kitchen in Downtown is about a 25 minute drive from your hotel (excellent tagliatelle alla Bolognese, & pre-order ricotta cheesecake for dessert when you are seated). Osteria Mozza has really good pastas (but stick to the pastas, and order the budino for dessert).

                                                          7. Scoops Westside on Overland (15 minutes away) has really neat ice cream flavors. The original Scoops location, on Heliotrope, is about a 25 minute drive from your hotel.

                                                          8. Mastro's in Beverly Hills is my favorite steakhouse in L.A. Order the bone-in filet or bone-in ribeye. Get the lobster mashed potatoes, and the seafood tower. Skip CUT & Lawry's.

                                                          9. About 20-30 minutes to Park's, depending on usual traffic.

                                                          10. Comfort Cantonese: Hop Woo, on the corner of Olympic and Sepulveda, has a very competent kitchen, in case you miss Cantonese and don't want to drive all the way to the San Gabriel Valley (40+ minutes away). Again, I warn you, our Cantonese food here pales in comparison to that found in Singapore.

                                                          11. Mori is very good, but I also like Kiriko (on Sawtelle, about 10-15 minutes away) for its creative and fresh omakase/sushi. Also, if you want me to (and our schedules permit), I can accompany you to get into Totoraku, the "secret" invitation-only Japanese beef/yakiniku restaurant, for some truly great beef. Another great place is n/naka, on Overland, for fusion kaiseki cuisine. Try Churros Calientes on Santa Monica Blvd. for Venezuelan-style churros, and dip them in the deliciously thick hot chocolate. Yes, the Original Farmers Market would be great to visit as well.

                                                          Enjoy L.A.!

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                                                          Spago
                                                          176 North Canon Drive, Beverly Hills, CA 90210

                                                          Kiriko
                                                          11301 W Olympic Blvd Ste 102, Los Angeles, CA 90064

                                                          Colori Kitchen
                                                          429 W 8th St, Los Angeles, CA 90014

                                                          Hop Woo
                                                          11110 W Olympic Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90064

                                                          Totoraku
                                                          10610 W Pico Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90064

                                                          Mastros Restaurant
                                                          2087 E. Thousand Oaks Blvd., Thousand Oaks, CA 91362

                                                          Staples Center
                                                          1111 S Figueroa St Ste 3100, Los Angeles, CA 90015

                                                          Osteria Mozza
                                                          6602 Melrose Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90036

                                                          Churros Calientes
                                                          11521 Santa Monica Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90025-3007

                                                          Scarpetta
                                                          225 N Canon Dr, Beverly Hills, CA 90210

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                                                          1. re: J.L.
                                                            FourSeasons RE: J.L. Jun 9, 2011 06:14 PM

                                                            Wow, "greatest food city on Earth"!!! I always thought the dining scene in LA was more interesting, perhaps the grass is always greener on the other side :-) I am glad my posts have been helpful to you in Singapore; yours are definitely very helpful. Thanks for your invitation to Totoraku but with so many choices in LA, I probably will skip the yakiniku option as a top-notched Tokyo-based yakiniku chain Jumbo Group chain has opened an excellent yakiniku restaurant called Yazawa in Singapore.

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                                                            Totoraku
                                                            10610 W Pico Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90064

                                                          2. FourSeasons RE: FourSeasons Jun 9, 2011 06:26 PM

                                                            BIG THANK YOU for the overwhelming helpful replies on this thread. The biggest problem: too many great options but yet too little time. Look like I should consider to extend the stay to 7 days instead. How do I even start? So many options on the steak houses, brunches, Italians, Mexican & Latin cuisine, Ice Cream places I am not even sure which one to pick as the destination. Will definitely visit the Farmers Market at Santa Monica and likely to try Loteria. Torn between Wolfgang and Maestro's for steak. Will probably try all the ice cream places:-) I have decided to eliminate the Cantonese option as not planning to drive all the way to SGV. Probably will not have the time to try Mori too. Will report to you back after I return from the trip!

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                                                              Servorg RE: FourSeasons Jun 9, 2011 07:34 PM

                                                              As you are more than aware by this time, no matter where you go someone on this board will pipe up with "You should have to gone to this other place" (or the corollary - no matter what you select to eat you'll get "You should have had this other dish") ;-D>

                                                              I look forward to reading your "after action" report. Have a great, fun and safe trip...

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                                                                J.L. RE: FourSeasons Jun 26, 2011 04:10 PM

                                                                Mastro's bone-in ribeye edges out by just a bit over Wolfgang's porterhouse. You can't go wrong with either, but the side dishes at Mastro's will put it over the top for the win.

                                                                Scoops (on Heliotrope) and Fosselman's (Alhambra), and Persian Ice Cream (Westwood & Wilkins) for ice cream.

                                                                Happy Chowing!

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                                                                Mastros Restaurant
                                                                2087 E. Thousand Oaks Blvd., Thousand Oaks, CA 91362

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                                                                  New Trial RE: FourSeasons Jun 26, 2011 04:50 PM

                                                                  The (prime) choice between Mastro's and Wolfgang's "broils" down to one simple question: Do you want a porterhouse or a different cut? If you want the best porterhouse, Wolfgang's prevails; for any other cut, Mastro's gets the edge.

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                                                                  Mastros Restaurant
                                                                  2087 E. Thousand Oaks Blvd., Thousand Oaks, CA 91362

                                                                2. boogiebaby RE: FourSeasons Jun 29, 2011 02:16 AM

                                                                  I think everyone else addressed the "adult" places, so I'll mention a couple that my younger cousins from Singapore ask for based on what people told them, or from their prvious trip.

                                                                  Definitely try the mexican food here. One thing I'd also recommend trying is are the various food trucks. My cousins from Singapore loved that when they were here since there really aren't food trucks in Singapore. It's not gourmet food by any means, it's more for the unique experience. Kogi is a unique mexican/korean fusion food truck, so that may be something fun to try, just to say you've had it. Other places they ask to go to, especially the younger cousins is In and Out. It's not fine dining, but they like the whole SoCal burger experience. Another request that everyone always seems to make is Cheesecake Factory -- every person who has ever come from Singapore/Malaysia has asked to go there.

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                                                                  Kogi
                                                                  Los Angeles, CA, Los Angeles, CA

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                                                                    js76wisco RE: FourSeasons Jun 29, 2011 07:31 AM

                                                                    FourSeasons

                                                                    I would also skip Cut and both of the Mozzas when in LA since these restaurants are all in the Marina Bay Sands in Singapore. I am going to Singapore next month and going to try out all of these hopefully (as well as Waku Ghin).

                                                                    1. FourSeasons RE: FourSeasons Jul 10, 2011 10:18 AM

                                                                      Many many thanks for all your recommendations and here just want to report a quick summary of the amazing food we had in LA:

                                                                      1. Boudin SF at South Coast Plaza: ordered the Turkey & Havarti Cheese classic sandwich, good choice. This chain would do well in Singapore if someone can get the franchise here.
                                                                      2. Mastro's at South Coast Plaza: ordered the bone-in ribeye steak. The size of American steak is always very intimidating to most Asian visitors though I love this piece of steak.
                                                                      3. CUT: I join the camp that prefers CUT to Mastro's. My favorite restaurant in LA on this trip!!! Not just the steak itself but the appetizers here were really good: "Big eye Tuna Tartare, wasabi aioli..." & "Maryland Blue Crab & shrimp cocktail...". CUT LA offers more USDA Prime than its Singapore counterpart which seem to focus more on Wagyu steak but I still order the American wagyu Rib Eye steak from Snake Rovers Farms Idaho. Never regret that decision.
                                                                      4. Park's BBQ: love the banchan served here but quite disappointed with the galbi. I would expect more if this were the best in LA area.
                                                                      5. Farmers Market: thanks for this recommendation. Lovely place especially with Grove next to it. Loteria Grill is very interesting; I ordered "Carne Deshebrada with shredded beef" and ""Enchiladas in red Chile Guajillo sauce", wish we have a Mexican restaurant this good in Singapore.
                                                                      6. Morels Bistro at Grove: disappointing, especially the seafood here.
                                                                      7. Osteria Mozza: Unlike HK_Foodie, I seem to prefer the Mozza here than in Singapore. Can't explain the details of the difference as they were 6-12 months apart; perhaps I am in holiday mood here while business mood on that other occasion. Appetizer "Grilled Octopus" was good but "Crispy Pork Trotter..." was a bit disappointing but the experience was quickly made up by the pasta. Follow HKF's recommendation of "Gnochhi with duck ragu" and "Orrechiatte with sausage", both were very delicious but the highlight would be "Squid Ink Chitarra Freddi with Dungeness crab, sea urchin & jalapeno", love this pasta and I don't think it is available yet at the Singapore branch.
                                                                      8. Lawry's: I don't know why but there seem to be a connection of LA-based restaurant opening up in Singapore and Lawry's is one of the pioneers. My kids love the prime rib at this Singapore branch so insisted to try the original one. I seem to recall the "Lawry's Cut" here is 20% bigger than the same cut in Singapore but yet 20% cheaper. The Yorkshire pudding has a different texture as well. Other than that, they are similar.
                                                                      9. Failed to make to any of the ice cream place recommended.

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                                                                      Park's BBQ
                                                                      955 S. Vermont Ave, Suite G, Los Angeles, CA 90006

                                                                      Loteria Grill
                                                                      6333 W 3rd St, Los Angeles, CA 90036

                                                                      Mastros Restaurant
                                                                      2087 E. Thousand Oaks Blvd., Thousand Oaks, CA 91362

                                                                      Osteria Mozza
                                                                      6602 Melrose Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90036

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                                                                        maudies5 RE: FourSeasons Jul 10, 2011 10:56 AM

                                                                        Really appreciate your feedback. Thanks.

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                                                                          Porthos RE: FourSeasons Jul 10, 2011 10:56 AM

                                                                          Great reports. Both here and SF.

                                                                          Glad you made it to both CUT and Mozza. I think I still prefer Babbo over Osteria Mozza but P.Mozza is one of my favorite restaurants anywhere. You must have enjoyed getting your meal at CUT 50% off CUT Singapore.

                                                                          Did you get the unseasoned bone in galbi at Park's? I find it superior to the seasoned galbi.

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                                                                          Osteria Mozza
                                                                          6602 Melrose Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90036

                                                                          1. re: Porthos
                                                                            FourSeasons RE: Porthos Jul 10, 2011 11:10 AM

                                                                            Thanks for the complements. Just to clarify your 2 points: 1. Re CUT: I would say just 20-30% cheaper, not 50%. 2 Re Park's: yes, I did order the non-seasoned galbi.

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                                                                              Servorg RE: FourSeasons Jul 10, 2011 12:16 PM

                                                                              Wonderful report. You can be certain of a warm welcome here on the LA board anytime with such a bountiful payback. Should have thought to warn you off of Morels at the Grove. Sometimes the bullet dodged is the best offense. Sounds like you and your family had fun, and that should be the bottom line of any vacation.

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                                                                                FourSeasons RE: Servorg Jul 10, 2011 06:31 PM

                                                                                Thanks for the warm welcome. We certainly had a fun vacation. Specifically on the experience in Morels, the non-seafood (I had chicken liver and fioe gras terrine) was quite decent but the seafood (oysters and mussels) were downright disappointing.

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                                                                                  bulavinaka RE: FourSeasons Jul 10, 2011 09:39 PM

                                                                                  Our best oyster experiences over the past few years have been up in the Bay Area. Not that we can't find them in LA as well, but going straight to the source around Tomales and Drake's Bays results in simple but amazing results. I'm guessing and hoping you experienced the benefits of being close to the source as well while visiting up there.

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                                                                                    FourSeasons RE: bulavinaka Jul 10, 2011 10:03 PM

                                                                                    Swan Oyster Depot in SF.

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                                                                                      bulavinaka RE: FourSeasons Jul 10, 2011 10:31 PM

                                                                                      DING DING - Winner!

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                                                                                        paprkutr RE: FourSeasons Jul 12, 2011 02:25 AM

                                                                                        Absolutely

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                                                                                          epop RE: paprkutr Jul 12, 2011 03:28 AM

                                                                                          love Swan

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                                                                              bulavinaka RE: FourSeasons Jul 10, 2011 12:31 PM

                                                                              Thank you for reporting back. We just finished a great meal at Picca and this place is another reason that I feel so strongly about your venturing into Peruvian cuisine - hopefully on future visits. We went on an "exploratory mission" here tonight to consider taking my brother-in-law (one of the two who I mentioned above living in Singapore), and were very impressed tonight. His first and foremost request upon landing in LA is to chow down in Peruvian food. This place take Peruvian to another level. And since you enjoy a great steak, I hope tonight's special - a 32-ounce bone-in ribeye that's marinated, souz vide for six hours, then finished off on the grill - will become a regular menu item. Please put it on your list of considerations for your next visit.

                                                                              http://www.piccaperu.com/about-2/

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                                                                              Picca
                                                                              9575 W Pico Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90035

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                                                                                FourSeasons RE: bulavinaka Jul 10, 2011 06:15 PM

                                                                                Thanks for the website; it sure look good. Wanting to try the Peruvian restaurants that you have been recommending but unfortunately, while family vacation is great, it does mean that I have to compromise on my own priority and not getting to go to the restaurants on my list. For sure on my next trip.....

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                                                                                Mr Taster RE: FourSeasons Jul 12, 2011 02:04 AM

                                                                                Holy cow, FourSeasons.

                                                                                Did you really buy meals for your children at these restaurants?

                                                                                If so, would you please adopt me?

                                                                                Sincerely,
                                                                                Mr Taster
                                                                                Age 37

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