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MasterChef America Season 2 starts tonight

Yes, I'll be watching.

Found out last week that Jarvis Green, a former Patriots player, makes the Top 100. He prepares okra gumbo for Gordon Ramsay, Joe Bastianich, and Graham Elliott. Not sure if he makes it through to the Top 38, however.

http://articles.boston.com/2011-06-01...

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/lif...

Looks like there are a good number of Boston/Massachusetts area amateur chefs in the running, and I see Boston Herald's Inside Track columnist, Laura Raposa, also made the Top 100:

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/20...

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  1. I listened to it as I was cleaning. It doesn't merit anyone's full attention. The judges are bombastic egomaniacs. One of them - Elliott?- made the pronouncement that what the judges think is by definition right. Of course, the judges frequently have differing opinions, something he failed to address. I guess the absurd glasses are his crutch, their message being "I don't care if you insult me".... a means of self-protection against the many insults that must be hurled at him for his appearance. The other two seem like the type who'd have been the school bullies in their day.

    They all dumped on one contestant for using white truffle oil. Okay, we all know it's not made of real truffle. Their expert palates can tell the difference. The vast majority of the dining public has never tasted real truffles and never will. Which doesn't prevent them from enjoying moderately-priced dishes that contain "fake" truffle oil. She started out trying to defend it, claiming it tastes good. She should have stuck to her guns. There's plenty of it being bought, used, and enjoyed.

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    1. re: greygarious

      No I believe they said the dish was great without it, and its addition ruined the dish.

    2. Yaayyyy! Linda!

      You will be watching...will you be reporting? No pressure....

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      1. re: Shrinkrap

        No reporting - just enjoying. Was glad to see the stay-at-home dad from Gloucester, MA make it through with all three judges saying he could win the competition.

        Of course, that could also be the kiss of death. ;-)

      2. I was kind of surprised at how mean and just terrible the judges were. I saw poor contestant who was forced to run back and forth, then do pushups, only to be eliminated. The alligator guy had to pull down his pants to show his tattoo. IDK - I don't think this show is for me. They would need to have at least one sympathetic judge to keep me interested.

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          1. re: jeanmarieok

            They would need to have at least one sympathetic judge to keep me interested.

            ~~~~~~~~~

            Why? If their food isn't good, why should someone be sympathetic? I didn't agree with having a guy run laps and do push-ups, but if he was stupid enough to do that, well, doesn't say a lot for him either.

            And the alligator guy didn't HAVE to pull down his pants to show the tattoo - he OFFERED to do so and the judges said sure, why not?

            1. re: LindaWhit

              I don't know. I'm only half way through, but WAY too humiliating! Reminds me of pledging, but these folks are too old to be that .......desperate...wait; this is the same channel that does American Idol.....

              1. re: Shrinkrap

                I guess I'm just not surprised at what people will do to be on television anymore. The "reality show I-wanna-be-famous" syndrome.

                1. re: Shrinkrap

                  Yes- the show is becoming more like American Idol with the crazies, out takes, over dramatization of the judging, etc.

                  1. re: Shrinkrap

                    This is what a cooking competition show on Network TV looks like! For those expressing shock at the judges and their behavior, have you never seen any of Gordon Ramsay's shows? It's his shtick (or maybe just the one that the network's have created for him, I don't know), and it's what they want the show to look like. Seems a bit odd to be so taken aback by it now, when his shows have been on for years.

                    1. re: LurkerDan

                      I'm not watching the show this season (I don't think), but Gordon def. wasn't as ridiculous as on Hell's Kitchen last time around. There is that somewhat softer side to him, like on the BBC America show. I think he was in between that and HK before, but maybe he''s edging toward HK caricature again.

                      Linda, did you see the Globe (I think) refer to Jason Santos as a regular on HK? Yes he was on for one season but that was that.

                      1. re: Joanie

                        Joanie - Santos was a "regular" on HK? Umm, now THAT is poor journalism (if that even exists anymore). It's a fake-reality show. As you said - he was on for one "season". That does not a regular make.

                        And I agree with Ramsay on the BBC America shows (and those shown on British TV)...he's much more different than he is on Fox's HK. He does seem to be different on MasterChef as well.

                        Again - I'm keeping in mind these are the "tryouts" for the Top 100. The show got better at showing the cooking of the various contestants in the first season as the weeks went on. Although out of all of those who submitted applications for MC2, some of those that got picked and then told they didn't make the cut seemed to be "plants" for dramedy effect. Which I wish they wouldn't do.

                      2. re: LurkerDan

                        "have you never seen any of Gordon Ramsay's shows?"

                        Nope!

                  2. re: jeanmarieok

                    Actually, they didn't ask - he was more than happy to show it off. The running was just mean though. If you're going to eliminate someone anyway, don't torture them before hand!

                  3. Yeah, the judges are on a serious power trip. They were making people beg, run laps etc, I found a lot of their behavior in very bad taste. They were making people do things "because we can".

                    I hope they try that with jarvis green (geaux tigers) and he lays one of them out :D

                    1. Frankly, it scares me to see people who want something SO much!

                      1. As soon as the second contestant showed his tatooed rear, I turned this off.

                        1. I am watching it now. Interesting, Gordon shows his gentler side than on Hell's Kitchen and Graham is a gentle giant. However, Joe Bastianich - what's up with him? He carries himself and his non-verbal language shows an air of superiority that he didn't possess last season. I used to be a big fan of his, but I think the fame and money must be going to his head, because his arrogance is intolerable.
                          Yes, he knows a lot and yes, he is successful, but he shouldn't forget that Mario B and his mother had a lot to do with that. Frankly, I don't know if I can watch because of him. While I was watching, my mom, friend and aunt all called to express their disappointment in his behaviour and attitude, so it wasn't just me.
                          Anyone else notice that?

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                          1. re: itryalot

                            No, he definitely showed that arrogant side last season. I remember it being discussed. I think he's got the role of bad guy, Graham Elliott is the good guy, and Ramsay is the in-betweener - he can go both ways depending on the food presented.

                            1. re: LindaWhit

                              I was just going to say that. Nearly every decision was a no for Joe, a yes for Graham, with Gordon breaking the tie. It's pretty transparent.

                              1. re: piccola

                                It's Fox's time-tested American Idol Simon / Paula/ Randy model of reality show judging. Most casual Fox viewers - especially those who have seen Hell's Kitchen - are thrown because they start out assuming Ramsay is in the Simon role, when he's really in the Randy tole.

                          2. Liked the gator cooking trucker, the seafood stew guy with piercings, and the fat boy who brought his home MG kit. I hate whiners like the Korean lawyer - your food sucked, go home with some dignity. I also can't stand people who play the sympathy card - so what if you grew up eating shit and you're a single mom? So what if you came here and paid for a degree but you got fired?

                            1. I absolutely agree with everything said previously. I have no idea why I am watching this train wreck. Having said that...

                              I am wondering why Joe Bastianich has been cast as such a total shmuck. I'm sure he's playing a role, same as Gordo does for HK and other American shows. Still, he's not cartoonish like Ramsay, he comes across as just plain mean.

                              Did anyone catch last night's sausage roll contestant? You know, where Bastianich said he had never seen one before? Didn't he grow up in NY? I'm only 3 years older than he is and when I was a kid, nearly every pizzeria in Brooklyn and Queens made sausage rolls. I liked those better than the pizza. The only difference I could see between the pizzeria version and the one the contestant served up was the use of puff pastry instead of pizza dough and the attractive plating.

                              And then Bastianich says he likes the sausage roll and proceeds to trash a subsequent contestant for serving a dish that "could" be considered a deconstrcuted sandwich, even though it wasn't presented that way. Claims he doesn't want to see snack food or some such. WTF?

                              I personally believe that the final contestants have been pre-selected and what we're seeing now is all highly scripted and meaningless. The seeming randomness and Bastianich coming off as an unremitting bastard is starting to bore me.

                              Last night the Spouse asked what dish I would make if I were to go on the show. Other than the fact that I wouldn't submit myself to that kind of abuse I answered that I would never make it on the show. I'm not pathetic enough, I don't have a good sob story and I'm not a complete b*tch worth making fun of. I'm too average and average doesn't make for ratings.

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                              1. re: rockycat

                                It's FOX for cripes sake,not PBS. What do you expect from such a trashy network? For a real glimpse of Ramsey,check out the BBC version of Kitchen Nightmares, nothing like the over the top Fox disaster.That Bastianich dude is such a smug,pretentious a-hole,what crawled up his butt and died?

                                1. re: petek

                                  Well, if you want to pull that out, you can also call ABC, NBC and CBS "trashy networks" for having all of *their* reality shows as well. Let's include The Food Network, SyFy, Lifetime, et al.

                                  It's a television SHOW, no matter *what* network it's on. It's designed to pull in viewers with potential "drama," sob stories, and whatnot. Knowing viewers will watch all of that also pulls in advertisers to pay for it. To provide that "drama", there's going to be nice guys (Elliott), idiots (contestant guy that did the push-ups and then got booted), evil-doers (Bastianich for this show) and people to cheer for (other contestants when they make good looking food).

                                  It's a BUSINESS. If you don't like the show, the remote control takes care of that for you.

                                  1. re: LindaWhit

                                    I know it's a television SHOW and a BUSINESS I'm not disputing that fact.You're right most of the other major networks are equally guilty of producing bad "reality"tv.I figured I'd give it a chance because I'm a fan of Gordon Ramsey(UK versions only) but after 10 excruciating mins,my remote control sure came in handy,thank you very much :D

                                    1. re: petek

                                      Well, I'll still take MasterChef over the American Hell's Kitchen any day. Yeah, these few shows that are winnowing down the "Top 100" to 38 can be a bit trying. But I like seeing home cooks pull some pretty damn great looking food out of their hats when the show moves on into the challenge rounds.

                                      Whereas the entire HK season is beyond excruciatingly painful for me now.

                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                        The first season of American Hell's Kitchen was actually pretty good and the guy who won was a great cook,but then it was all down hill from there.Don't get me started on Fox's rendition off the original Kitchen Nightmare's,pure trash..(is it still on?)

                                        1. re: LindaWhit

                                          Agree with you Linda. I am enjoying the show in part because I know what to expect. I was very disappointed last year as I had high expectations. It's a low brow, trashy bit of entertainment. As long as you keep that in mind you might enjoy it. Though I suspect the remote will come in handy at some point.

                                          I do wish they had gone for more reality and less over the top trashing. A show that I think gets it is So You Think You Can Dance. Especially Nigel, but all the judges really, are rarely just harsh for the drama and they almost always give a strong critique the dancer can get something from.

                                          jb

                                      2. re: LindaWhit

                                        How can FOX be trashy if it has "The Simpsons" on?

                                        1. re: buttertart

                                          :-D Have you SEEN some of the innuendo coming out of that show? LOL

                                    2. re: rockycat

                                      I grew up in NY (Manhattan) and never saw or heard of a sausage roll until I was 30.

                                      1. re: LurkerDan

                                        I wondered if sausage rolls were just a Brooklyn thing so I checked with the Queens-born and reared Spouse who remembers them, too. Maybe just an outer borough thing?

                                        1. re: rockycat

                                          I don't know, maybe; the outer boroughs were mostly an imaginary wasteland to me when I was growing up. ;-)

                                      2. re: rockycat

                                        I don't think "Bastardianich" is acting. Ever see him on his mother's show? I can't recall ever seeing him display a morsel of enthusiasm, much less smile or laugh. When he is cooking with his tweenage daughter, he does not interact with his child, or even touch her shoulder. Lidia appears to dote on her grandkids but they seem as uncomfortable to be there as their parents are, even though Joe and his sister are on the show's payroll..

                                        1. re: greygarious

                                          I'm a regular watcher of all Lidia's shows, and cringe every time Joe's on. His body language alone shouts discomfort, disdain, maybe even resentment or something else only long term therapy can reveal.

                                        2. re: rockycat

                                          Rocky -
                                          a sausage roll in the UK is completely different to NY sausage rolls.
                                          Made with the ground insides of English sausage and puff pastry. Quite tasty - I miss them being back in the states.

                                          1. re: NellyNel

                                            I realize that but when asked what made them Italian-British fusion, the contestant responded that his were made with Italian sausage and marinara sauce. Hence I conclude that they were essentailly Italian-American sausage rolls made with puff pastry rather than pizza dough.

                                        3. Too early to say for sure (and I didn't watch last season), but the comments Bastianich has made about the food this season give me the impression that he has a somewhat narrow palate (likely grounded in Italian/Meditteranean-esque flavor profiles???).

                                          Can anyone who watched last season comment on this?

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                                          1. re: inaplasticcup

                                            Bastianich seems no different than last season. It's really annoying how he sniffs the food. It may be like Chopped, where they make Scott Conant seem like a total d ick head, then he seems very nice in Restaurant Wars.

                                            1. re: saeyedoc

                                              Agreed - Bastianich is the "bad guy" on MC. Even after only one season, it's rather predictable as to what he'll do when he goes up to taste a contestant's food. The "evil eye" should be patented. ;-)

                                                  1. re: LindaWhit

                                                    A couple times last night, he did this little flip with his jacket tails as he walked back to the podium. I don't know what's better to trademark - that, the evil eye, or the magenta pocket square.

                                                    1. re: inaplasticcup

                                                      LOL! I missed that! Sounds like a Valley Girl who slams her locker, turns on her heel as she's flipping her carefully styled blond hair over her shoulder and sashays down the hall while snapping her gum. :-)

                                                      I DVR'd it - will have to look for it again.

                                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                                        Haha. If he had hair, I believe he'd flip that too. He's such a bucket of badittude. It's quite entertaining...

                                          2. I don't find any of the hosts to be at all pleasant, and though I love such shows, this one I will skip.

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                                            1. re: escondido123

                                              It is totally over the top and I do have to wonder about the contestants who act as if their whole lives depend on whether they "make it" or not.

                                              1. re: chicgail

                                                Good heavens, do people have no pride left anymore? Begging, crying, on your knees, running laps like a puppy, yada, yada. What does that have to do with good food? I know, it's a glorified game show, but sheesh, what does it say about our culture?

                                                1. re: pine time

                                                  We're a bunch of sniveling fame whores? :(

                                                  1. re: inaplasticcup

                                                    You've been reading the producers notes haven't you? Sure seems to be what they went for in selecting the contestants.

                                                    jb

                                                    1. re: JuniorBalloon

                                                      Alright, I'll cop. I auditioned and they said,

                                                      "Love ya, babe. But you're just not pathetic... ENOUGH. However, we do have this concept about desperate and mentally challenged spray-tanned housewives. How do you feel about spraytanning?"

                                            2. I watched last years and this audition process is no different really. The judges do get nicer as the competition goes on to be the more credible ones. Last year they almost didn't include Whitney in the last round because she was young and they didn't know if she could hack it. She turned out the winner.

                                              I like the show so far and have actually been finding it more entertaining than top chef masters because the top chef masters this season haven't really be able to cook their best, always some stupid twist.

                                              1. I couldnt get into this last year, but I did watch the first 2 episodes, and I have to say - I was totally into it!

                                                I really enjoyed the 'personas" of the 3 judges!

                                                I always like Gordon, Graham seems like a sweetie pie to me, and Joe just seems knowledgable and appreciative of good food. I like it when he gets excited by something.

                                                It seems like this isnt the Chowhound consensus, but I am really looking forward to watching.

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                                                1. re: NellyNel

                                                  When Joe shows true enjoyment of having tasted something he loves (and goes back for another taste), it pulls him back from the edge of a "I'm the big bad Joe B. Wolf" caricature persona. And I like it.

                                                  1. re: LindaWhit

                                                    Seems most people, at least here at CH, enjoy it more when they are less the "Persona" and more genuine. I know I certainly do. Perhaps they'd lose more general viewers, but I wish they'd try it.

                                                    jb

                                                    1. re: JuniorBalloon

                                                      Your sample size is a bunch of whiners. Most people who enjoy the show don't whine about it on a forum.

                                                  2. re: NellyNel

                                                    NellyNel, As Graham's Mom, I am delighted to hear you refer to him as a sweetie pie. Despite how he may come across to some (though most posts have been rather positive to him) he is truly a kind and very humble person who only wants to help people achieve their dreams. Remember, just because someone is on TV doesn't mean they are immune to life's challenges. By the way, you may know the three judges Mom's will be appearing on an episode as guest judges and I must say, Gordon and Joe are very personable. Gordon has a fantastic sense of humor and amazing energy. I have to totally disagree with you folks who think any of the contestants have an advantage over other's or that the judges are told what to say. Totally untrue. Personally, I think Season 2 seems more exciting and Joe, Elliot and Gordon are more fun to watch with their friendly bantering.

                                                    1. re: mamakate

                                                      Congratulations on raising such a gracious and talented son mamakate. Though I haven't seen the program this year, I did enjoy Graham in last season's episodes. I thought his passion, authenticity and empathy shone through. The show inspired us to to dine at Graham's restaurant when visiting Chicago in December and we thoroughly enjoyed a delicious meal. We were impressed with the inventive, playfulness of the menu and look forward to another visit on our next trip.

                                                      Your insights into this year's season are very interesting, thanks for posting!

                                                      1. re: Breadcrumbs

                                                        Thank you so much for your kind words. And I am so pleased you enjoyed your dinner at the restaurant. Hope you enjoy this season's show.

                                                        Fondly,

                                                        Kate

                                                      2. re: mamakate

                                                        Mamakate - I understand where you are coming from, but the reality tv world can be distorted. Although your son comes across as a gentle man and Gordon's love of food and cooking are evident in a respectful manner, it is unfortunate that Joe does not come across this way. Unlike fictional tv shows, this is a reality show and how one chooses to represent themselves is a relfection of their real life persona, whether they are faking it or not. I think great consideration should be given to how one wants to represent themself on such a show.

                                                        1. re: mamakate

                                                          MamaKate!

                                                          I was so excited to read your post!
                                                          I was feeling a bit gloomy this morning, and reading your post perked me right up!

                                                          I watched again, last night, and I can confirm that your son is indeed, a sweetie pie!
                                                          He has a really lovely persona and his humility, and kindness do shine through.
                                                          There was a post above that was very mean spirited, and I hope you don't pay any mind to harsh comments that are ridiculous and unfounded.
                                                          You can be very proud.
                                                          BTW, I also find him to be quite handsome!

                                                          I am really looking forward to seeing you on the upcoming episode!!
                                                          I bet it was great fun for you to film it!!

                                                          Once again, I loved the show last night, and I find all three judges very enjoyable to watch.
                                                          When they get excited by a contestant - I love it - you can just feel their love of food!
                                                          This show is an unexpected pleasure for me - I'm sorry I missed out last year.

                                                          1. re: NellyNel

                                                            Thanks NellyNel, I love reading your posts too. About mean spirited comments, I think people are basically nice (how could we survive in this world if we thought most folks were mean?). Too bad it's so darn easy to write unkind things when behind a computer screen. However, we also have to remember we're only human and we have lots of faults so no reason to get in a funk about it. Hope you are enjoying your day.

                                                      3. How is it a fair contest if some people are chosen right away and others have to go hours with the apples? That is ridiculous.

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                                                        1. re: buttertart

                                                          Apples? Did I miss something about apples?

                                                          1. re: chicgail

                                                            Tonight's episode winnowed it down from 38 to 24, chicgail. Peeling and slicing apples was the knife-skills challenge.

                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                              Thanks, Linda. I'm hoping it got recorded so I can catch up.

                                                          2. re: buttertart

                                                            I agree with you - I just finished watching it - some people only had to peel, slice for what seems maybe 20 minutes, and the last two were at it for 2 hours? Very unfair.

                                                            I'm glad for Christian, the stay-at-home Dad from Gloucester, MA, and Adrian (sp?), the server from California. But Matt, the rich boy 18yo student from NYC is an obnoxious little twit and I hope he goes *down*.

                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                              He's there specifically to be hated. This is FOX, they need the engineered drama..

                                                              1. re: rockycat

                                                                Yet again, it's not just FOX-TV that engineers drama in their reality shows. And yes, I'm aware that Matt, while he might be able to cook, is there for the draaahhhhmahhhhh. He's still an insufferable, obnoxious little twit. And I still want him to be taken down sooner than later. ;-)

                                                                1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                  Heheh. See what sway you have on people, Linda? Got me watching this!!!
                                                                  I like the truck driver from the South.

                                                                  1. re: buttertart

                                                                    The one who started cooking to feed his sick wife? I don't think he'll last long, but I do like his story.

                                                                    I was sorry to see the Alligator Guy go over the woman at the very end. I was hoping he'd stay longer.

                                                                    And I guess, based on my initial post in the thread, both Jarvis Green and the Herald's Inside Track columnist didn't make it past the top 100. ;-)

                                                                    1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                      OMG Linda!
                                                                      I was going to note the exact 3 you just mentioned!!

                                                                      AND -say exactly what you did!

                                                                      1) sorry about the guy with the sick wife - he was so ..genuine. But not surprised.
                                                                      2) I really liked alligator guy - he had such an amusing personality - and I thought he might have cooking chops.
                                                                      3) Surprised that the last chick got though over alligator guy - not only was her dish ridiculously basic, but her pan went up in flames...How the heck did she get through??

                                                                      1. re: NellyNel

                                                                        3. Her chicken skin went up in flames in the oven. It was one component. The rest of her dish was intact, and the judges said the chicken was the star. That's how.

                                                                        1. re: NellyNel

                                                                          The guy with the Sick wife is from my home town. St. Cloud Florida. Which is just a little south of Orlando. He seemed very sweet. I hope he keeps cooking.

                                                                          Last year it was the same thing there was a BBQ Redneck guy but he didn't make it far. My guess is that there food is delicious, it may just be that they are often self taught and don't get the variety of cooking skills, and technique that you would if taught by a professional chef, or a school.

                                                                          but Mmmmmm Yummy Gator!

                                                                2. re: LindaWhit

                                                                  The trust fund baby does seem annoying but it also appears that he can really cook. Surprise bootees to me were: the Indian high school kid with fast knife work, the alligator cooking rednecks (I thought at least one would make it through), the concert pianist (Korean lady), the Italian dude.

                                                                  1. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                                    YES! I forgot about that young Indian kid from TX - he had incredible knife work in the initial challenge - in fact, he was first "saved", wasn't he?

                                                                    Which "Italian dude" - there were several. Giuseppe got through, I believe. And geez Louise - I really wish Fox would put up a bio of those who made it through for MasterChef - it's not really that hard - a picture, their hometown and what they do:

                                                                    PICTURE

                                                                    Name: Christian
                                                                    Hometown: Gloucester, MA
                                                                    Occupation: Stay-at-home Dad

                                                                    How hard is THAT?

                                                                    1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                      I meant the off the boat guy who speaks like Fabio from TC. He did a chicken cacciatore.

                                                                      1. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                                        Yup, I liked him - wasn't his name Giuseppe? Can't recall. Again - bios of the top 100 or top 38 would help!

                                                                3. re: buttertart

                                                                  It looked like most of those still cutting at the end where those that cut themselves at the beginning.

                                                                4. Ok, I finally saw the recording and the only thing I had to say was that I hate that smarmy little rich kid. Anybody else remember Richy $ Rich from comic books?

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                                                                  1. re: chicgail

                                                                    Oh yeah. He was cuter because less self-aware.

                                                                    1. re: chicgail

                                                                      You know, it's not like Joe Bastianich worked himself up from poverty! He got money from his parents' enterprises.

                                                                        1. re: mnosyne

                                                                          I remember him heavier and at Becco, was never a cuddly guy.

                                                                      1. The whole premise of this program, and of the Food Network for that matter, is finding and highlighting someone like us - folks that are food amateurs, that have little or no professional training or experience (and to be honest, many of us here do in fact have professional training and experience, and so could never qualify for these shows).

                                                                        I wonder why. Not so much why they're doing this - obviously they're convinced it brings them ratings which is revenue (mainly from factory food product advertisers). But really, why are we watching this? I'm not at all criticizing anybody here - I'm watching these shows, too. But I'm not learning anything.

                                                                        It's not at all like watching Julia or Eric Ripert. It's not even like watching Top Chef or especially, Top Chef Masters. We learn from watching people that are better, more experienced, and more focused and dedicated to an endeavor. In competition, the creativity is maxed, the small gaps in technique are exposed, and we see real effort, based on this base of experience and knowledge.

                                                                        I can't say the same for these amateurs. We see embarrassing, huge gaps. We see totally misplaced desires and ambitions. I understand that we might share some of their dreams - but watching others win a lottery is hardly entertainment.

                                                                        It comes down to one reason: the whole watching a train wreck thing. We're fascinated by the failures - the bigger the fail, the more entertainment value. The rich, snotty kid that cooks with caviar and lobster? This is schadenfreude to the max. We really wanna see this kid go down.

                                                                        Is Food Network (and Fox) right to be doing so much in the schadenfreude marketplace? Can't they come up with other forms of food related entertainment?

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                                                                        1. re: applehome

                                                                          Master Chef Austraiia in the last tree days has had Thomas Keller, Niel Perry and my personal hero Heston Fing Blumenthal I guess I do not have a point sorry about that.

                                                                          1. re: chris2269

                                                                            That would truly be worth watching. Too bad you can't get it here...

                                                                            1. re: buttertart

                                                                              Yeah sorry . I know most people are not comfortable with torrents but download Utorrent and look up the empire.bz and enjoy masterchef austrailia. not e-legal and will open you up to the food shows you should be watching.

                                                                          2. re: applehome

                                                                            But really, why are we watching this? I'm not at all criticizing anybody here - I'm watching these shows, too. But I'm not learning anything.
                                                                            ~~~~~~~~~~

                                                                            Entertainment. Pure and simple. These shows (Top Chef, Master Chef) aren't for learning, except maybe for a food pairing that you wouldn't have thought of. I watch for the entertainment.

                                                                          3. Am I the only one who worries about the waste on this show? When I saw them slice all those apples and then abandon them, I couldn't help but think of all that good fruit being thrown out...

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                                                                            1. re: piccola

                                                                              Again not trying to be an ass but watch...if you can the last episode of MS Australia food waste was the major theme. The challenge was cooking for a green restaurant he Teams were then taken to eco restaurant Greenhouse at Circular Quay. They were told that they would be cooking for some of Sydney's most distinguished palates, and that in true Greenhouse style they needed to minimise waste.

                                                                              1. re: chris2269

                                                                                Even so, there's an inherent amount of waste in all these shows because they require a vast quantity of products, and only a small amount of the final dish is consumed.

                                                                                And besides, I can only comment on the U.S. version, because having tried to watch the Aus show, I found the pacing infinitely slow (particularly with all those master class episodes).

                                                                                1. re: piccola

                                                                                  agree do not watch the master classes.but other then that think the overseas episodes are much better. Again I love my country. We just suck at TV.:)

                                                                              2. re: piccola

                                                                                That bothers me too. Troubling, but not surprising. We have a generally wasteful culture. :(

                                                                                1. re: inaplasticcup

                                                                                  I'm hoping they have some deal with a shelter or food bank that just hasn't been mentioned.

                                                                                    1. re: inaplasticcup

                                                                                      +2 Just seeing all of those apples dump out of the dump truck kind of makes me cringe. THAT does bother me.

                                                                                    2. re: piccola

                                                                                      In case of the US version, they actually do. Gordon said on twitter that it all goes to a local Food Bank

                                                                                      1. re: josey124

                                                                                        That's good to know. Now if they could have donated those apples BEFORE bruising them to hell by dumping them out of the truck... :P

                                                                                          1. re: josey124

                                                                                            Yay! Now I can watch with a clear conscience.

                                                                                    3. I won't watch this show. I found the angst, desperation and backstabbing incredibly irritating. I don't like judges. Not worth my time.