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Sheryl Crow was interviewed on The Splendid Table this weekend. If she appeared in BA discussing here cookbook, would you all react the same way? What if her chef coauthor appeared instead?
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re: paulj
Given the inclusion of music files, CD promo (often directly to Amazon) mixed with food speak is included on ST radio, seems perfectly natural there but on BA (& I think having Ms. Crow on the cover w/ or w/out her coauthor chef is inevitable) will continue to fuel the debate over the new direction the mag is taking...and/or how others food mags will follow. Because, celebrities with a food perspective/advice/play thing is NOT new but putting their voice on the cover and pages of BA is.
eta: I will say this, I have all the recipes on hand to make this and I will be weeks end.
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re: paulj
I would. I'm happy for Gwyneth and Sheryl both that they love food. It's your friend.
I think what a lot of people are railing against are
- the arrogance of some celebrities as displayed through their assumption that celebrity garnered in one field entitles them to credibility in another, and
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re: inaplasticcup
I'm a bit of contrarian on this because I first heard about GP via the Spain road trip. It was only after that show that I noticed her film credits. And I know next to nothing of her parents. So in my mind she's as much a foodie or chowhound as any of you.
It occurred to me that I have a couple of celebrity cookbooks, one by an Indian actress, and another by an Indian producer (Ismail Merchant). I'll let you guess who the actress is.
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re: inaplasticcup
"I think what a lot of people are railing against are
- the arrogance of some celebrities as displayed through their assumption that celebrity garnered in one field entitles them to credibility in another, and
- what is apparently a large segment of the population's agreement that it does."Exactly.
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Glad I'm not the only one who felt this way when I saw that cover. Having let my BA subscription run out a good while ago anyway, I hadn't even known until it showed up on a celebrity-watch website, which kind of says a bit.
Celebs have been in the mags before haven't they, but almost always on the back page, short interview sort of thing.
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I don't read the magazine and would not have even cared about this cover until I read this article.
http://graemethomasonline.com/skinny-...
Paltrow shares her meal plan her from her ridiculous and pretentious GOOP newsletter.
She eats under 1000 calories a day with a lot of vegan options.
What a poser! What a phony. She pretends she's a foodie when the cameras are on, but then barely eats enough to keep alive a prisoner on a day-to-day basis. I guess she doesn't need to eat much with the lame workout she does.
You can't just travel around the world and appreciate food to be worthy of cookbooks and magazine covers Gynnie - you have to actually EAT IT too.
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It's clear that BA is circling the drain - desperation is kicking in. Adding a celeb to the cover, having what seems to be lot more ads, PLUS adding a cigarette ad to the mix and that tells me we're getting a wee bit desperate, aren't we, BA?
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re: thew
I find the timing of the new editor + "celebrity" on cover + cigarette ad in a magazine that I don't remember ever seeing cigarette ads for curious, yes. To me these are all signs of BA being desperate. If the "powerful and wealthy industry" that is the tobacco industry is getting desperate too - then it makes sense that the two desperate entities will hook up.
I also found it interesting that the last page of the magazine was a two page spread instead of the normal "cutesy" ending BA has like "Back of the Napkin" or "Feedback."
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re: roohound
http://www.adweek.com/news/press/bon-app-tit-kraft-create-corner-takeover-ads-115371
is an article in Adweek from a year ago about ads in BA.and their take on the GP cover
http://www.adweek.com/news/press/gwyn...
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I just got mine as the mr. picked up that day's mail, threw it in his car and went on a week long trip. At any rate, I saw the reactions on here and knew I wasn't missing much.
Even the other features this much weren't infomative at all. That husband and wife team who had the article last month based on their text messages and this month are rambling on about fried pork chops irks me, too.
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i wonder how much of this has to do with the fact that martha and oprah are nearly always on the covers of their respective magazines? at least if your name is on the cover, i guess it's more understandable to put your famous face on there too. but when bon ap does it, it certainly seems to stir the pot!
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re: Siun
According to copyright, 2006 PW came onto the blogshere scene, She's written by 3 books, one book has already rec'd movie treatment, appeared on countless tv spots and national book signings. She's had an amazing year with a Food Network show recently announced beginning in August.
Ms. Paltrow, a prolific actress, has been in the public eye for much longer. Comes out with a cookbook...and rec's the full-star treatment.
I don't understand the BA cover choice or the context for popularity anymore.
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re: HillJ
How about blaming Mario? BA interviewed GP in Oct 2008, mainly about her trip with Mario. He also wrote the foreward to her book. With 3 or 4 'easy' or 'quick' Italian cooking books of his own, he's been on the 'style' side of the cooking world for some time.
And her collaborator on this new book had worked with her on the Spain book.
According to this other F&W article by J Turshen, GP's association with Mario began as a long time customer at Babbo.
http://www.foodandwine.com/articles/spanish-road-trip-with-mario-batali-and-gwyneth-paltrow
Turshen is also involved in the forthcoming Kimchi Chronicles
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/756965
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Next up?
The July issue will have Sandra Lee on the cover with her fourth of july american flag cake made with store bought pound cake, coolwhip and berries - yummo
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re: Bellachefa
Furthermore, regardless of the annoying cover which was a MAJOR disturbance, and the MALE Editors fawning over a celebrity who is likely an ok homecook like a lot of us, "like a little girl" What was finally the most annoying thing was that after promising her the cover, they then chose to insert many more photos of her compared to photos of her food. buh~bye
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I just received the new issue of Saveur and comparing it to Bon Appetite made me realize:
Bon Appetite is to magazines as Twitter is to literature.
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re: paulj
I loved Gourmet but they (its a COnde Nast pub, correct?) but they decided to go for utter mediocrity even though the Gourmet audience was actually a very loyal one- they switched me (without asking of course) to Bon App but I didn't renew. It wasn't even good bathroom reading!
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re: paulj
From what I recall, I have subscribed to F&W for about $12 per year, when they send out a special offer.
BA is offering a year for $12 also, via a pull out card in the current issue.
Saveur is $29.95 for a year (which is only 9 issues). But Saveur is worth it. I pay for two subscriptions, mine and a gift for a good friend.
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Isn't there a new editor? And isn't he from GQ ? Which would explain the weird fonts and celebrity cover. Have to say I miss Gourmet and the the old guard Ruth Reichl and Barbara Fairchild. I guess now that I am older I don't embrace change.
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re: juli5122
As I noted above, this is a conscious direction change for the publication. See, e.g., http://newyork.grubstreet.com/2011/04...
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re: MGZ
Another interview with the new editor on The Feast, with info on the GP cover
http://www.thefeast.com/chicago/resta...
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re: juli5122
Why does recharging the battery of a food mag have to mean dumping the long time, possibly older subscriber and trying to access a newer audience? It always seems to go that way...and older subscribers kept the mag afloat while a new, younger audience is likely going to want a blog, an app...not a paper mag. Old horse that I am...
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re: HillJ
I think that the fact that so many of us are not interested in celebrity says something about the people in charge of the media and so many other aspects of our society - they ignore the substance over empty style market and I be we are really a huge market. The reason? They all have kids they want to edge in. I live in NYC and these people and their children are everywhere!! Indeed, Paltrow is a product of the "lucky" parent segment. Of course, there are the genuine "newbies" but those are a smaller and smaller part of any field. Look at politicians, the media industry, and even better the Ivy League schools where fully 25-33% of the admittances are "legacy." As the parent of a young adult it is sad. So, when I choose to spend my money on a cooking magazine I will not support "legacy" any more. As Flourgirl rightly points out she has nothing to add- indeed, I bet many of us here have more to add to such a publication than Paltrow.
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re: juli5122
Yes the new editor is from GQ. And he writes in his editor's letter when he is not name dropping and fawning over Gwyneth that "putting people on our covers is something we feel good about. It's something we'll do a few times a year. Of course, they've got to be the right people". Meaning the fabulous people he sees as he's dining at the "it" places?
I'm with you juli5122...I'm not embracing the changes in Bon Appetit especially when they are not for the better. When I pulled it out of the mailbox at first I thought it was Shape or Health (whichever one I subscribe to). Bon Appetit needs food on the cover...that is what makes me want to read more!
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I continue to be surpised that people get upset about one cover of a magazine that, presumably, they don't have other problems with. So I'm curious about one thing: for how many complainers here is Paltrow herself the sticking point?
I quickly Googled this page of celebrities noted for significant interest in cooking, several of whom also authored one or more cookbooks. Would they come in for this sort of vitriol? Note, all of these celebrities are male, oddly enough:
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re: Bada Bing
Actually, BA has been on my list for some time now. A few years ago they started to dumb their content down a bit and I wrote to them about that. This issue, they found it necessary to define "mise en place". Not to be a snob, but most BA readers, don't need that to be pointed out to them.
Also, BA has a perfectly nice little column on the last page where they do a Q and A with celebrities and their cooking and eating habits, memorable meals, etc. I found this to be interesting and fun to read even when it profiled people whose work or general celebrity wasn't to my personal liking.
As for Ms. Paltrow specifically, I don't care for her at all. I find her to be smug, disingenuous, and out of touch. I have felt this way about her for some time. But that is just my own opinion and I know that I don't know her personally and all that, but it's just what I think based on her blog, bits of the cookbook I have read, and just general impression.-
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"I find her to be smug, disingenuous, and out of touch. I have felt this way about her for some time."
I feel the same way about her. She just grates on my last nerve. And having to see her smug mug on the cover of BA just feels like a violation. Like there is just no escaping her and her ilk anymore. And I am REALLY sick of it.
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Can anyone name, without looking, the cover content of the previous 6 issues of BA? The complaints make it sound as though GP's picture displaced something memorable.
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re: Glencora
Yup (I looked), Thanksgiving was a headless lady in white holding a turkey platter. Dec was a present (decorated cake with bow) on cake stand. And brownies for Feb.
Compared to my old 1980s copies there's a lot more text on the cover. In the June case it almost obscures the celebrity.
BA has a list of covers with people on them; here's Julia from 1979
http://www.bonappetit.com/magazine/slideshows/2011/06/history-of-bon-appetit-celebrity-covers#slide=9The Feedback section of BA has celebrity interviews
Epic\curious had an interview with GP shortly after the Spain program (2008
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re: paulj
Did you have a subscription in the 1980s? I ask because mailed subscription copies of commercial food (and fashion/women's, among others) magazines typically have a few headline lines of type about the major themes or articles, while news-stand editions have a lot more text, in order to give a full snapshot of article contents to the potantial buyer and entice her or him to pick it up.
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Aren't we all tired of living in a country where (seemingly) only celebrity sells? So few opportunities for people these days (particularly young people). If you are not connected it has become so hard to get your foot in any door and now even food is sliding into this trap. First it was Debi Mazar who was suddenly a food "expert" and now Paltrow. And while I have nothing against these people personally (I don't know or even want to know them) I am tiring of seeing that only the connected are the "experts."
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re: Mangita
Hear, hear! Even magazine covers traditionally featuring top runway models (Cosmo, H Bazaar, GQ) for decades switched to celeb covers some time back. So, as many have said, the fact that a serious food magazine would replace food stylists with fashion/celeb photographers is certainly a reactionary decision.
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re: Mangita
Yes, I'm very tired of the celebrity culture. I've never been a "fan" in the first place, I couldn't care less about celebrities and their lives - I have my own life to live, thank you very much. But for a long time, celebrities were fairly compartmentalized. Now, it's like they've taken over the world and it's very disheartening. I can't stand it any more.
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re: flourgirl
A laudable sentiment, though one not shared by many others. I'm afraid our society has elevated style over substance for long enough that it has become the rule. That is what Conde Nast was banking on by bringing in Rapaport, and that appears to be what he's going to deliver. Don't be surprised to see Rachel Ray soon.
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re: HillJ
Hill, no offense, but I don't think it's revelatory that those who benefit from a system seek to perpetuate it. In fact, those individuals have the most invested in the maintenance of the structure and are thereby obligatory proponents. This brings us back, however, to the point. Conde Nast thinks it's seen the writing on the wall, "More people will be interested in food and celebrity together than in either alone."
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I flipped through her article last night at my in-laws. Her recipes sound flavorful and summery and utterly unoriginal and uninspired by anything other than the basics of the season. I liked the sound of her peach bbq sauce, but I know I've had and made better. She also did halibut with mango avacado salsa. Simple, simple, simple. You'd find it in a variety of restaurants, especially here in California. I would try her corn vichyssoise; I'm already playing with the idea of adding shrimp or maybe lobster to it, and adding perhaps a touch of heat or sweet.
I would be interested in reading her cookbook. The article said if you like Jamie Oliver and the River Cafe books, GP's would speak to you. However, I get the feeling her food is a stripped down play on Jamie Oliver's food, and I'd rather cook his instead. (So far, anyway.) GP's not doing anything innovative, and she owns that. I just don't feel she has much of a style, and I think that's important to have when you're asking people to buy your cookbook.
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Lots of anti GP sentiment out there.I was surprised to see her on the cover and agree with another post that the editor's letter indicated that he thought there would be some backlash and wanted to get out ahead of it.That said I like the new Bon Appetit style.It took some
getting used to going through the previous issue on Italy.But I really enjoyed the writing,recipes and also the cooking tips such as how to prepare better pasta.I found the issue to be enjoyable to read and very informative.Lot's of recipes/techniques that I will try.I haven't entirely read this month's isssue,including the much maligned GP article.So can't comment on that but I do like the new style and thought last months content was excellent.›1 Reply-
re: TooLooseLaTrek
This post from a 3 yr old BA thread seems as relevant now as then
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/4766...
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Oh it's not that I have any aversion to Paltrow but as a BA reader, I'd be disappointed that the magazine was heading in the direction of celebrity endorsements like so many areas of media have. Did you ever think the day would come that a pretty blonde actress would grace the cover of a serious food magazine? Until the influx of celeb overload in every area of life, no...but today, we give the idea of celebrity wayyyyyyy to much time, attention and (media) power.
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re: HillJ
I agree -- I have nothing against Paltrow OR her recipes. I don't like the Vanity Fair-lite writing that seems to assume the reader is thrilled to be let in behind the scenes. Chris Martin comes in for a smoothie! GP insists that the shoot is over by 3 so she can pick up her kid from school! Bleh. The story is as much about the shoot itself as it is about her cooking.
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This is making me reconsider ever subscribing to the magazine. I was a big fan of Bon Appetit but now not so much. I don't like Gwyenth to begin with but putting her on the cover of a food magazine, give me a break. Very disappointed that they would choose a cover model least of which her.
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re: punkgirl107
Wow, what a tough group.
As a counterpoint, GP's show with Baltali and Bittman touring Spain was terrific. The accompanying book is a good initial guide for a potential drive around tour of that great country.
Her new cookbook is out and is excellent. Her recipes are pragmatic and designed for busy families short on time. Her focus is on top ingredients cooked simply. I have no problem with that.
Lastly, her travel guides on Goop are very helpful. (granted, her more touchy feely stuff on Goop is a bit irritating). Her recent comments on Chicago were on the money. Similarly, her thoughts
on Paris were very helpful for a recent visit there.Bottom line: I think it's a bit shortsighted to be so dismissive of her food and travel recommendations.
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re: cortez
<Her new cookbook is out and is excellent. Her recipes are pragmatic and designed for busy families short on time. Her focus is on top ingredients cooked simply. I have no problem with that.>
If you think she wrote that book, I have a bridge I will sell you. Can you say "Ghost Writer?"
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re: cortez
While you (and I) liked the On the Road Again show, the general tenor in this thread
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/551673
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I'm not a fan of her advice on Goop, but I'm willing to admit it's possible her recipes are good. At the same time, I don't feel the need to validate her vanity project when there are tonnes of good cookbooks out there I could be buying. And I feel like there are probably other books and chefs more deserving of the front cover.
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re: cortez
I agree with cortez. I can't believe how tough people are on Paltrow. I do believe that people are so distracted by how pretty she is that it comes to seem like anything else she's got going must simply be coasting on her looks (acting, singing, cook-booking, whatever).
I've seen numerous interviews with her, and she is unfailingly down-to-earth and genuine. But the interviewers so often gush about her that it must put her in an odd position sometimes. It as if she's saying, "I just want to be casual and normal, but no one will let things go at that."
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re: Bada Bing
i have several friends who grew up with her, and one of her cousins is a buddy of mine from college...let's just say i wouldn't believe everything you see on TV. *however* my issue with her being on the cover of BA isn't personal - i think it's ridiculous that they used a model, period, regardless of who it is.
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Worst of all, the photograph is terrible - she lost her bottom lip in the shot and the airbrushing is dismal!
I kid, I kid. It's ridiculous that she's on the cover because she is ridiculous. I think she means well. I really do. She puts her foot in her mouth constantly, and what's worse is that she doesn't even care. But honestly, it's not just that it's her; actresses belong on fashion magazine covers. I'd be okay if she was featured in the magazine, but having her on the cover detracts from the entire point (delicious food).
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My distain for her is unparalleled! She's a terrible actress, a terrible singer, and she knows nothing about food! I'm sickened BA is encouraging her delusions.
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I had pretty much the same reaction. And they killed Gourmet for this? She may be earnest about food, or not. I don't much care. It seems to me that those who are serious about food might like to see someone on the cover who is famous for their approach to food, not someone who is famous for another reason who likes food. Anyway can't wait to see who next month's cover girl is. I vote for Eva Mendez.
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re: bimmertimmer
If they must head into the direction of cheesecakey to sell mags, my personal vote is a Cover Man, as in a stripped-down-to-the-waist Cover Chef. Kerry Simon? Step on up. Susur Lee could sell me a copy. And if they arrange the shoot skillfully, I'll be most happy to gander at Michael Chiarello, who seems to be kind of a jerk but who looks good being that way - at least physically.
Seriously; my husband brought me home the latest copy today, and I'd heard tell but didn't quite believe it 'til I saw it. Bon Apetit just lost a bit of credibility with me, not because SHE doesn't know how to cook (which indeed, it appears she does) but because their buttkissing was painfully evident throughout.
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re: artychokeasana
yep, I agree with mamachef too.
about MC, I've watched him for as long as he's been on.
always wished we were in Napa in a store he frequented so I could meet him and he'd invite us to one of his impromtu parties.
but having watched TCMasters when he was trying to win that or even the lastest FoodNetwork Star thing, his arrogance shines through and it's depleted my gusto for him.
I'm sure he'd say I'm mistaking true confidence for arrogance. unfortunately that's not how it's recently come across to me. he's hidden that side of himself from me anyway, for years.
a shame, really liked him.
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Isn't anyone going to discuss her recipes? I was also going to ask about her cookbook, but apparently that isn't out yet.
http://www.bonappetit.com/recipes/gwyneth-paltrow
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04...
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re: paulj
The recipes seem okay. (Though I wouldn't put mangoes and avocados together in a salsa) They're simple, as she admits herself, and fairly healthful. Certainly nothing special. But the pictures, especially the one of her sitting outside looking soulful, are awful and the fawning text is absolutely repellant. (IMO)
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re: paulj
But that big ole diamond is beautiful!
http://www.bonappetit.com/magazine/sl...
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re: jjbourgeois
http://www.theatlantic.com/life/archi...
review in the Atlantic
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re: paulj
i looked at the book at the store. While not my usual style of cookbook, I didn't see anything wrong with it. The recipes looked practical, and some even novel. But rather than buy it, I thought I'd check it out from the library. There are 11 copies, and 52 requests in the system catalog. I won't get it soon.
Another book I looked at is Truely Mexican by Roberto Santibanez; this was featured on last weeks The Splendid Table. the system has 3 copies and 15 requests.
Gabrille Hamilton's new book has about the same popularity as GP's (49 requests/17 copies).
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re: paulj
No, it's not "just the cover" - as crappy and misguided as it is. It was the revolting editor's letter and the coverage that Paltrow got in this issue that is pissing people off. She is NOT a food expert, she is merely competent - at best - and it's condescending and insulting to try to pass her off as anything more to people who are serious about food. And the larger issue is that this is just the final straw for a lot of people who've been less than thrilled with BA for a long time.
There are also quite a few reluctant BA subscribers who were switched over to BA after Gourmet folded. Are you surprised that it would take so little for already annoyed people to throw in the towel? I'm not.
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re: paulj
her recipes on that link look not overly done and don't seem to contain much content.
a sauce with cherry tomatoes and anchovies may be wonderful but it's not one I'd jump out to buy great anchovies for. the BBQ chicken, adobo OR soy sauce. I don't know, I'm cornfuzzed.and no I wouldn't buy a cookbook just because MB did the foreward.
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Funny that now she thinks she is a food expert .......but when she did that Touring Italy show with Bittman and Mario she knew next to nothing about food.›2 Replies


























