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Question: When you say, "I Hate . . . .

I'm just curious. When you say you "hate" something, what do you mean? Is it just a euphemism for "I prefer not to eat it, but will choke it down." Or, do you really mean "I'd prefer to throw the plate across the room then put a morsel of that vile substance in my mouth." Does the thought/smell of it cause true revulsion?

I ask as I see the phrase often used here, yet I would expect that a 'houndish love of food would mean not hating any food (or, at least, not any food that one has never tasted). I am not a big fan of smoked or pickled fish, but I'll eat it if placed in front of me. I may have used the H word to describe how I feel about it, but certainly in a jocular spirit.

What about when its applied to a place, or a whole class of restaurants/cuisines?

Basically, when you say "I hate ________," what are you saying??

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  1. Hate is pretty strong. I was raised to say "x is not my favorite."

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    1. re: mnosyne

      i absolutely agree. I can't think of a single thing I would use the word "hate" for. I "don't particularly like" green peppers. That's about it, come to think of it.

      1. re: DGresh

        I rarely the use the word "hate" for anything. When it comes to food I reserve it for items that would require extreme acts of will to, literally, choke down. For me there are only a few in this category, including black olives.

        1. re: taos

          Eggs - especially hard or soft boiled. I don't think I can even will them down. Yes, I hate them!

      2. re: mnosyne

        But not my favorite implies I can and will choke it down. Hate on the other hand is clear that no way no how is that passing my lips.

      3. When it pertains to cilantro, I mean "I hate" - because it tastes absolutely vile to me. Soapy, nasty, and I truly abhor the taste.

        And when it pertains to fast food joints, I hate what they've done to REAL food restaurants. (DISCLAIMER: Although I do need my 4x a year craving of fast food french fries.)

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        1. re: LindaWhit

          Yes, with cilantro it's definitely hate. Olives, too. Hate as in I don't even want to put it in my mouth.

        2. Like mnosyne, I was taught not to say I hate any food, rather to say "I don't care for ____." That is still my general/polite response when offered food I do not like or would rather not eat. Among close friends/family (and 'hounds) I will occasionally use "hate" to describe my attitude to certain foods. In those cases, hate means the thought of eating the food brings me to the brink of tears, and I will not eat it even for the sake of being polite. Fortunately, there are very few things that I hate. I do not like coffee, but will politely each tirimisu if offered in a formal setting. I hate mayonnaise, and would not eat it for a million dollars.

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          1. re: mpjmph

            I was brought up the same way, mpjmph. Or just a simple "no thank you" if I realize something has cilantro in it (and I'm at someone's home instead of a restaurant).

            And I know someone else who frequents CH that won't eat anything with mayo either. :-)

            1. re: LindaWhit

              Count me in. Few things I hate, and I would never apply it to an entire cuisine or anything I haven't tried. But I have tried both mayo and cilantro and truly, I hate them.

              1. re: LindaWhit

                Yup I'm a die hard mayo hater, ew ew ew, I have spit things out that I was tricked into eating with it in it! I can tell its there no fooling me and I would rather go hungry than eat it and have in the past! Instead I make recipes that call for it with greek yogurt.

            2. I've used the word in a kidding fashion, but there is one food that I can correctly use the word 'hate': raw onions.

              When I was a child, we were physically punished if we did not eat everything that was put on our plates, and out of my childhood dislikes, raw onion is the only one that remains. If confronted with a dish that contains raw onion, only a strong word like 'hate' feels close to the emotional stew bubbling up inside. I would only use that word while dining with family or close friends, and choose a more moderate expression to decline in the company of all others. Hate, in this context, just means 'NO' as emphatically as possible. I'm trying to forestall the usual comments, like "You can barely taste it!" or "It's just a little bit." or "Just *try* it." by letting the seven year-old inside have her little tantrum.

              That's a lot of emotional baggage for a raw onion to bear, I know. ;)

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              1. re: onceadaylily

                lets not even start on emotional baggage...........

                but coconut is usually something id spit out rather than eat...
                liver...
                tripe...

                and yes ive tried them....

                1. re: srsone

                  But the question was what drove one to say the word 'hate' in relation to food. And many of us, on many other threads, have talked about how some of our food choices are driven by emotion, and memory. I felt I answered the question fairly.

                  I gave liver a second go this past fall. All I can say is, it had its chance.

                  1. re: onceadaylily

                    "some of our food choices are driven by emotion, and memory"

                    Absolutely. I would argue that many more food choices are driven by such factors than most people will, or can, admit. In fact, I'm not sure that it is possible to separate the psychological from the physical when it comes to taste. Unlike our other senses, our perception of what we taste is instantly associated with a judgment, and very difficult to accept only as observation.

                    1. re: MGZ

                      I'll offer up the cilantro debate as evidence to the contrary-- for a significant proportion of the population at large, it just. tastes. bad.

                      Andouille...just smells and tastes awful to me.

                      Beets just don't taste good to me -- and it was the one food I was given free rein to avoid like the plague (we were each allowed one thing that we didn't have to eat) -- so there's no baggage there, either.

                      Doesn't have to have any kind of emotional baggage to it -- yuck is yuck.

                      But I agree that psychology does account for SOME things. (Whatever the last thing was you ate before you were violently ill -- for any reason -- tends to be pretty avoidable for a pretty long time.)

                      1. re: sunshine842

                        "bad," "awful," etc. are judgments. I'm not saying all such judgments have emotional elements associated with them, but they are not solely physical. We make a "pleasure/pain" conclusion about taste that goes beyond mere experience of flavor. In part it is clearly instinctual, but it also has an experiential element to it of which we are not always conscious.

                        I understand the various mutations that have been identified concerning how some people taste things differently than others, but the reactions to them are fundamentally the same.

                        1. re: MGZ

                          by that logic, avoiding a hot burner is also psychological - -it hurt like hell, so we're going to stay away from it because of the mental trauma and emotional issues of getting next to a hot stove.

                          I follow the logic, but think the line between physical and psychological is being drawn a little too fuzzy in this particular instance.

                          Hot hurts, bad things taste bad -- there's nothing psychological about it.

                          1. re: sunshine842

                            I understand that there is nothing psychological about it for *you*, sunshine. But I would think that the question of whether a food dislike is, or can be, driven by such a thing as psychological associations does not have a simple yes or no answer that would apply to everyone across the board.

                            1. re: onceadaylily

                              I gave you that it surely governs *some* things, so I'm not sure where you're getting that it's at all about me.

                              If someone was forced to eat liver once a week their entire childhood, yes, absolutely, that's emotional baggage. (and I feel badly both for their having been a victim of abuse AND for the ongoing issues it causes)

                              But if someone tastes something that invokes a gag reflex, that's more primal animal learning -- this made me gag therefore I'm not going to eat it again.

                              It hurts to put my foot in the fire, therefore I'm not going to do that again (animals and small children do a lot of learning by this route, particularly when young and less likely to form emotional barriers to things)

                              A lot of things that are harmful have a bad taste for exactly that reason -- they taste bad, you spit them out, it doesn't harm you. (works with bugs and weeds in the wilderness, too -- and you're really not going to convince me that a sparrow is emotionally traumatised by that bitter-tasting caterpillar....and we are truly not that far removed from animals in some ways, no matter how much we want to think differently.)

                              1. re: sunshine842

                                "I gave you that it surely governs *some* things, so I'm not sure where you're getting that it's at all about me . . . and you're really not going to convince me that a sparrow is emotionally traumatised by that bitter-tasting caterpillar....and we are truly not that far removed from animals in some ways, no matter how much we want to think differently."

                                I don't want to convince you of anything. I just want to agree to disagree. You stated that "bad things taste bad -- there's nothing psychological about it" which is your perception. Like I said, this doesn't hold true for *me*, but for you it does. I do not think there is a right or wrong answer to this question.

                                1. re: onceadaylily

                                  Indeed. It's me who's saying there's always something psychological about it. And I didn't mean to get too tangential, however, I suppose it was inevitable.

                                  BTW - Is it the word "psychological" that stirs trouble? People have a great fear of it. Many will admit all sorts of physical maladies, but never psychological ones (I truly appreciate lily's candor). So should we just say there is a "mental" component to taste aversions instead?

                                  1. re: MGZ

                                    Thanks, and ha! I think mental sounds worse. 'Associations' is a nice word.

                                    Thread highjack (unintentional) over. :) Interesting discussion though.

                                2. re: sunshine842

                                  Your nervous system has pain receptors. People don't vary very much in terms of how they interpret signals from said pain receptors - they're pretty much considered unpleasant across the board.

                                  Your tongue has no specialized receptors for bad tastes, though to varying degrees people tend to reject things that taste bitter. And while it's unclear to what extent food aversions are innate (though I'll grant you that some seem to be), it's easy to show that many food preferences and favored foods are learned, acquired over time.

                                  Invoking psychology with respect to taste isn't to say that one's experience eating something that tastes 'awful' isn't genuinely unpleasant, or even that they have a choice in the matter. It's just admitting that there is great variance in how different people interpret the same sensory data (or even the same person at different times), more than there is with pain - which also has a psychological component, btw.

                                  There is also one's overall disposition towards food - whether you enjoy trying new things and revisiting old aversions or do so with trepidation - which can dictate whether you're likely to get over food aversions or form intense new ones quickly. Very offhand, I often see what seems to be a strong emotional component to this overall disposition, even when it's lacking in relation to specific foods.

                              2. re: sunshine842

                                Avoiding pain due to past experiences, learned responses, is a psychological process, as is aversion to a food based upon past experiences. Your analogy, however, provokes some interesting thoughts. For one, we have aversions to actual harms from having experienced real injury, but why do we sometimes have aversions to things that are harmless? I mean, using your beets as example, they have a taste that your tongue/mouth processes and sends to your brain. Good vs. bad is then determined in the brain and the judgment is formed. Your brain knows that they won't actually harm you, but still generates the displeasure signal, comparable to the "hot" touch response. Totally, not what I was thinking about when I started this thread, but fascinating nonetheless . . . .

                            2. re: sunshine842

                              But I agree that psychology does account for SOME things. (Whatever the last thing was you ate before you were violently ill -- for any reason -- tends to be pretty avoidable for a pretty long time.)
                              ~~~~~~~~~~

                              Vodka and orange juice. I've done VERY well avoiding it since I was about 20yo. ;-)

                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                Not so good the second time around, eh?

                                1. re: EWSflash

                                  And third and fourth times. Soon after the second time.

                            3. re: MGZ

                              I've read most of this debate and it seems like it is very similar to the genetics vs environment debate in the scientific community or aka nature vs nurture. IMO our world is a blend of both camps. I offer my husband's palette, he will eat anything literally, even if he doesn't like it. There are two foods from his childhood he consistently throws a fit about if I cook even though he has admitted that my cooking is far superior to his mother's and the dishes are good. Spaghetti and roast beef. Apparently the only two things she could cook and not well at that. Yet he has a mental block about eating them even if they are prepared deliciously rather than poorly. So yes our palettes I believe are a mixture of instinct/genetics and experience/environment.

                              Also most poisons and poisonous plants have a bitter taste, which is why most people shy away from overly bitter food, your brain is telling you it may be poisonous due to the bitter taste.

                            4. re: onceadaylily

                              didnt say u didnt answer it fairly

                              mine was kinda sarcasmy.... :-)
                              meaning i have plenty of baggage myself...

                              like the fact that i wouldnt eat any kinds of nuts for most of my life...due to the fact that my mother was so scared i would choke on one when i was little that she told me i didnt like nuts so i wouldnt eat them (she told me this later) so i never ate them..and wouldnt eat anything if it even had nuts...almost like i would if i was allergic to them...
                              but it turns out i like some them and eat them now

                              and thats just for starters...

                              1. re: srsone

                                Ah, gotcha. Guess I was in a defensive mood. ;)

                                My parents saved the 'you don't like it' for the expensive adult-only food treats they enjoyed once in a while.

                              2. re: onceadaylily

                                I totally agree. I think most of my strong food feelings have more to do with memory and emotion than actual taste.

                              3. re: srsone

                                I. Hate. Coconut! No 'usually' about it. If I were on a deserted isle with nothing but coconut trees, I would starve to death. Better than eating coconut.

                              4. re: onceadaylily

                                I agree on the raw onion thing, and while we were not physically punished, we had to sit there until done. There are now many things I dislike because of that.

                                I may not use the word "hate" in polite company, but I also don't say "xxx is gross"....because it's my taste, and I'm sure someone out there loves it.

                                There are many foods (mostly vegetables and cooked fish) that I really can't stand the smell, texture or taste of. Some will cause a physical reaction, others may just ruin my day.

                                At a conference a couple of weeks ago, I told myself to try anything that I knew my body could handle (no leafy greens). I tried a fried onion garnish to some beef of some sort, and it was actually very tasty, for onion. Soggy and greasy - not something that works for a 400-person sit-down meal, but tasty.

                                1. re: tracylee

                                  I think my parents were too tired to wait us kids out at night. ;)

                                2. re: onceadaylily

                                  "Hate, in this context, just means 'NO' as emphatically as possible."

                                  Well said.

                                3. Depends whether I hate something or not. If I do, sure, I say I hate it.

                                  I hate any kind of egg dish in which the whites and the yolks aren't mixed together (love scrambled, souffles, omelets, hate pretty much the rest).

                                  I hate raw onions.

                                  I hate most, if not all, cruciferous vegetables.

                                  I hate cooked cabbage in any form.

                                  I am having a hard time trying to get myself to cook Indian food. Just the thought of coconut milk makes me want to hurl. I went shopping last week for everything I needed to make some Indian dish, and I just couldn't bring myself to spend money on coconut milk (and coconut, for that matter). I ended up putting everything back and buying some fish. I don't know if this constitutes "hate" or not.

                                  I simply do not understand the "houndish love of food would mean not hating any food" line of thinking. I can't imagine liking everything. And I am quite certain I have never met a single person who likes everything.

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                                  1. re: Jay F

                                    Well I think there are two forces at work here. One, as mentioned earlier is the emotional memory. I grew up hating two foods passionately; avocados and canteloupes. Just last year I realized through a friend's intervention that avocados are actually quite good. I still have that mental twinge when I eat them, but they are really delicious once I get past that. However, I will hate canteloupe until I die. It tastes vile and smells vile.

                                    in short, there is a lot to be said for being willing to challenge our preconceived notions and knowing that taste, like everything else, can be learned. But there are also those foods that for whatever reason we just really and truly dislike. I will try anything. Some I will like and some I won't, but how much poorer my life would be if I hadn't forced myself to go past my instinctive reaction to sushi, sweetbreads or foie gras.

                                    1. re: JonParker

                                      I don't have any negative emotional memory attached to food, beyond certain examples of my mother's cooking: spam & velveeta omelets she never scraped or turned; "coffee," which consisted of equal parts coffee, sugar, and evaporated milk. But these things were so inedible, and so specific as to cook, time, and place, there is little possibility I will ever encounter them again.

                                      Also, I did not come from a family where we had to eat anything we didn't like, and that includes not liking the *smell* of something.

                                      I've tried everything I listed above, with the possible exception of coconut milk, so when I say I hate something, I am quite certain that yes, I hate it.

                                      1. re: Jay F

                                        I'm not really disagreeing with you, just pointing out that the reasons why we hate certain foods can vary.

                                        Sadly, I did come from a family where we were forced to eat foods that we couldn't stand. My dad was a table Nazi, something I didn't fully realize until I was a young adult and he had remarried a woman with two much younger children. I watched him battle my ten year old stepbrother over his green beans, finally arriving at a negotiated truce where the boy would eat three green beans in exchange for being allowed to leave the table. I assume that he got these attitudes from his dad, and at least I can say that while I've always encouraged my son to try new things, he's never been forced to eat anything.

                                        There are emotional connotations to all of our senses, and that includes taste.

                                        Also, I love coconut milk, but you may have the better end of that, since it has ninety-gazillion calories per serving.

                                    2. re: Jay F

                                      I also don't like coconut milk when made in a curry or anything else at home. (ice cream is ok though as well as out at Thai restaurants for me)
                                      I was brought up in New England using heavy cream mixed with curry powder. A more authentic version is a bunch of spices including raw garlic and ginger thrown in a pan, browned, and mixed with whole fat plain yoghurt. I've never tasted coconut milk in Indian food actually.

                                    3. I won't say that I "hate" something I have never tried. But I do hate somethings I have tried. I see nothing unchowhoundish about hating a taste/food. Or instead of saying hate I may say things like "there is not enough alcohol in the world for me to eat that again".
                                      Carrot, beefs, herring (pickled or however style) are a few of those sorta things.

                                      Now, I think that any stock or soup that I make (that should have it in it) must have carrots, or it is not right. I either chop them small enough to swallow in a gulp or big enough to easily fish out of my bowl and place aside.

                                      1. there are foods that i don't particularly care for, but for the sake of politeness i can choke down a few bites if i have to...so when i say i "hate" something, i mean that you'd have to physically restrain me and force-feed it to me to get it into my body...and then you'd be wise to stand back, otherwise you'll be wearing it.

                                        i was a vegetarian for over 20 years, and during that time, all meat products would have qualified.

                                        it's interesting to me that coconut & coconut milk have been mentioned more than once in this thread, because up until a couple of years ago, coconut in *any* form was my culinary kryptonite - it was one of only 4 foods/flavors (aside from meat during my veg period) that i've ever truly abhorred to the extent that if someone physically forced me to eat it, there's no way i could keep it down. i actually retrained my palate and now love coconut, but the other three - bergamot, chamomile and clove - are still problematic and i have ZERO desire to learn to like them. i can handle a *very* small amount of clove when mixed with other strong flavors, but it's a fine line.

                                        1. I will do anything in my power to make it look like I've eaten beets, if they're served to me (push them around the plate, hide them under the lettuce...childish but effective) But if there's no way out, I'll just swallow them quickly, chewing as little as possible until I can claim being full (yep, childish, but no tantrums)

                                          French andouille? I can't even stand to be in the room when it's being cooked. The smell turns my stomach, and yes, I've tasted it, and sadly it tastes *exactly* like it smells. Probably the one thing I can truly say I just. stinking. HATE.

                                          1. For me it means, "I'm still trying to get an acquired taste for it." So, I'll keep trying it (May be years between bites). Of course, there are exceptions, like when something is truly inedible (horribly cooked and potentially dangerous).

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                                            1. re: ediblover

                                              That brings up a good question, as a chowhound, how many times does one have to try something one does not like before you can say "I do not like ____" If you have to keep trying the item infinielty (on the grouds that it is something you have to "learn to like") then the very underlying idea of Chowhoundom, that of seeking out those foods that are truly great, becomes sort of meaningless; if you are honorbound to give everything infinite chances, then you are basically just eating anything put in front of you. And working too hard on "forcing" yourself to develop a taste for something ends up smaking a little of moral masochism.
                                              On my side there are a few thing that I am actively allergic/sensitive to (Balsamic Vinegar is one) There are a lot of foods I'm not overly fond of (most preparations of chicken or any other fowl for that matter that involve the skin and or fat layers) and several that I really do loathe. I tend to reserve hate for those things that I can detect no matter where they are put and instantly ruin the dish for me. Mustard would be one (I have no problem with the seeds in say pickes, but mustard the condiment repulses me) and horseradish. I'm no fan of most cruciderous vegetables except bok choi (ironically I adore chinese pickled vegetables, even those those are mostly crucifers. Some make no sense. For example while I love the Chinese pickled veggies, I hate olives, even though they have a vaguely similar taste. I dislike most melons (except watermelon) but love fresh green figs (which have a vaugely melony taste) I used to say I hated mushrooms, but have now had to modify that to "I hate button mushrooms" many other ones (shiitake, straw, enoki) are just fine with me. I even sort of like portabellas, which is odd when you consider that a portabella is just a button mushroom that's been allowed to grow up. I cant even be in the same room while button mushrooms are being cooked the smell makes me nauseous. I can't eat "white chocolate" on it's own but if it's mixed with milk or dark it's fine. Finally there are one or two foods I would not try on the grounds I can interpolate my reacion from other things. For example since I often find older lamb too gamey for my taste, I would not likey try mutton which would be even gamier.

                                              1. re: jumpingmonk

                                                I figure if you've tried it a half-dozen times in different places and prepared different ways, it's pretty safe to say you don't like it.

                                                Blood sausage is mine...I've tried it as black pudding in England, Ireland, Scotland, and Wales, as blutwurst in the Nordrhein and Bavaria in Germany, and as boudin noir in several parts of France.

                                                I've given it a pretty fair shake, I think.

                                                I don't despise it, and if it's a matter of being polite I can manage it, but it's not something I would ever choose willingly, and will avoid eating if I have the ability to do so.

                                                1. re: sunshine842

                                                  Ah, Sunshine, if only your first sentence was universally accepted! Please see my comments regarding meatloaf and opera below.

                                                2. re: jumpingmonk

                                                  There are so many varieties, in type, quality and technique, that I'm pretty flexible when it comes to having a cap on the number of times I'm willing to try something. I always question, what other preparations are there, can the quality be better, did something affect my palette, and so on.

                                                  If I don't like something, I'm more curious about why/how others can like it (am I missing something?) than being fixated on not liking the item. Where does it stop? At the point where I can have an understanding/appreciation for the item. It doesn't mean I have to like it, and usually I'll still end up hating it, but at the very least I can learn to understand the qualities of the item and why some likes/loves it.

                                                  1. re: jumpingmonk

                                                    I like to think of it as a button mushroom is an under-ripe portabella. No one would think it odd if you said, for instance, that you don't like under ripe oranges.

                                                    1. re: Terrieltr

                                                      Well, if you want to be hyper-tecnical, buttom mushrooms are underripe MUTATED portabellas. They lack have a certain defective gene, which is why they are whitish (if they had it, they'd be a somewhat lighter but basically the same shade of brown as the darker portabellas).
                                                      Speaiking of underripe here's a weird one. I like the French cheese Mimolette but ONLY when it is underripe (well underripe when compared to the age it is usually sold in this country. Underripe it taste to me fairly good (not a great and mighty cheese, but on a par with any decent day to day dutch gouda or edam with maybe a touch of cheddar (though that may just be the color acting on my mind)) aged to the point it is usually sold at in this country, I find it insufferably bitter (I like gouda when it is super aged but not this Norman analouge)

                                                    2. re: jumpingmonk

                                                      Our taste buds and nutritional requirements change over the years. This can attribute to liking things you didn't like say 5 or ten years ago. I eat loads of stuff now that I wouldn't have touched with a ten foot pole when I was say 18 or 12 or even 8! Also as stated in earlier comments that hormones can have a vast impact on your tastes ie the quintessential pregnant woman mixing pickles and ice cream or watermelon and chow mein. I am not a big red meat eater however during periods of blood loss (ie that special time of month) I Crave the red meat, my body wants the added iron and protein in my diet and it knows it can get that from red meat and boy does that medium rare filet mignon with bacon taste so special and extra yummy during that time! Other wise forget it, pass the chicken or fish. I also for some reason love dark dry red wines during that time, usually I like the medium to sweet of the reds and whites otherwise. Foods can also not taste good, my mother could not stand chocolate during her pregnancies but likes it at all other times.
                                                      All in all its a good idea to give things a try every five years or so just make sure you still don't like it. I do not think this is a negative thing when it to being a "chowhound" there are plenty of flavors I don't care for that are widely used in all cuisine like bell peppers, its ok if they are flavoring a dish but man I can't eat them themselves I pick them out of every dish that contains them. However I don't force myself to eat them everyday on a "masochistic" bent to make my self like them, just every once in a while I will take a bite of one from the dish I may be having that contains them just to make sure my tastes have not changed.

                                                      1. re: BelovedofIsis

                                                        For the most part I agree. I will however point out that there are some foods that most people say you pretty much ONLY can like if you force yourself to eat them regulary and repeatedly for extended periods of time, food you have to "train" yourself to like. The example that come to mind to me was something an Asian friend of mine said after I had tried fu gwa (bitter gourd) for the first time (If you've never had this, imagine a green bell pepper dipped in medical grade quinine and concetrated about 1000x). After I spat it out I said "How in the hell can anyone get to actually like this?" My Asian friend laughed and said "force yourself to eat it at least 3-4 times a week, and wait 40 years."

                                                        1. re: jumpingmonk

                                                          But why would you do that to yourself?

                                                          (that's a serious question)

                                                          1. re: sunshine842

                                                            No clue. The only instance I could think of is that its really cheap and you don't have the money to buy something else????

                                                            1. re: BelovedofIsis

                                                              Actually, the real reason stated is the same one that your mom gave you for why you had to eat your veggies when you were a kid "It's good for you". To the traditional Chinese ethic ,food and medicine basically have no real dividing line. Bitter Melon is supposed to be super good for detoxifying (in fact besides being eaten as a vegetable, it's often dried and made into a sort of tea, for those who no longer have the teeth to handle the vegetable). With that enthic, having to actually like the taste is sort of superfluous. That being said there are a lot of chinese people who do develop a taste for the thing; bitter melon stuffed with chopped fish and ginger was supposed to be Mao Tse Tung's all time favorite dish.

                                                  2. There is only one food I can actually say I hate and that is raw tomato.

                                                    I cannot choke it down, it's actually the only thing that induces a gag reflex in me (and believe me I have eaten full meals after some spectular showings in emergency departments and theatres etc.) and no matter what I cannot eat raw tomato. I can usually pick it out of salads and the like quite easily, but sometimes if it has leached onto everything else I can't do it.

                                                    Most other foods that I say I don't like are the ones that I can choke down if put in front of me (sometimes you just have to be polite!), but thankfully they're few and far between and it has only happened to me twice.

                                                    1. I hate blue cheese in any way, shape or form. When I say that I hate blue cheese, I mean that it makes me gag when I taste it even in the smallest amounts. I have tried many different types of blue cheese and tried it in different preparations and I just can't get past that horrible taste, so I have decided that I am ok with disliking the blue.

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                                                      1. re: NE_Elaine

                                                        Here's a question - some blues have a strong smell - does that provoke the same reaction in your, Elaine?

                                                        1. re: LindaWhit

                                                          Good question Linda. I don't really think it has anything to do with the smell, it is all about the taste. There is just something about that moldy taste that I just can't swallow it.

                                                          1. re: NE_Elaine

                                                            It would be interesting to find out if your smell was blocked, if you'd be able to eat a bit of it without the gag reflex. Smell has such affect on how we taste things.

                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                              I was having that same thought about the raw onion people...when I was a kid, we did a science experiment where one of the kids volunteered for the job of having his nose clothespinned (actually I think they used a swimming noseplug), blindfolded, then given a bite of apple and raw onion and asked to guess the difference. Couldn't do it.

                                                              Half the class volunteered to try it after that, and we kept track of it -- about 50%, which would be the percentage of "purely random".

                                                              Seems if your nose is plugged, you can't taste the onion.

                                                              1. re: sunshine842

                                                                Seems if your nose is plugged, you can't taste the onion.
                                                                ~~~~~~~~~~
                                                                it's not just onion. sense of smell is essential for taste - that's why food tastes "off" or seems tasteless when your nasal passages or sinuses are congested.

                                                                on the rare occasion that i *must* choke down something horrendous (e.g. electrolyte solution for GI work), i use the nose pinch trick. doesn't kill it completely for me, but it helps somewhat. my keen sense of smell - which has been known to make people wonder if i'm part bloodhound - is probably the primary reason i have such a sensitive/sharp palate.

                                                                  1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                    I've had sinus problems/allergies all my life, so I've lived it. When it's bad, I have to force myself to eat -- not only because I have no ability to taste much of anything, which is truly punishment for Hounds, but because my sinuses are so swollen and painful that my teeth hurt.

                                                                    (and yes, I've been under medical supervision for it since I was about 4. Happily, it's now under enough control that I don't have very many bad days any more.)

                                                                    1. re: sunshine842

                                                                      Happily, it's now under enough control that I don't have very many bad days any more.
                                                                      ~~~~~~~~~~~
                                                                      i'm VERY glad to hear that!

                                                                    2. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                      I'm the same way in regard to sense of smell. My parents swear I must be part bloodhound since I can smell things that they have to be much closer to in order to sense. In a way I'm thankful for my strong senses (unless someone's cooking liver or something similar) but whenever I get even the slightest cold that affects my sense of smell it really sucks because I can't "taste" a thing!

                                                          2. I use 'hate' regarding a couple of food items because with some people. simply saying "I dont like ----" invites discussion when there is really nothing to discuss. Two things in particular: yogurt and meatloaf. Invariably, there is someone around who would say, "Oh. but you havent tried MY meatloaf! I have the WONDERFUL recipe, and everyone I make it for just RAVES about it!"

                                                            I'm sorry. You're wrong. I will not love it. Dont bother making it for me, because I dont like being ungracious, but it will appear that I am because I will not try it, and I will chastise you because you evidently refuse to believe that by the age of 56, I cant possibly have my mind is made up on the subject of meatloaf, even though I told you in no uncertain terms how I felt about it.

                                                            So saying "I HATE meatloaf" as often as not spares me having to explain ALL the reasons that I HATE meatloaf for the 11,214th time. I you like it, God bless you and keep you, and may God bless and keep your meatloaf.... far away from me.

                                                            As for yogurt, it is the cream cheese of Hades.

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                                                            1. re: Fydeaux

                                                              Haha, I enjoy your comment on others trying to convince you to like it. I really really hate most kinds of cheese. I know, that is a very wide sweep of food that many people would consider very anti-'houndish, but I just do. The first time I ever had cheese as a kid I threw up, plus I am lactose intolerant. I can force some down but if something is smothered, I'd rather just eat the salad. Or nothing. Anyways, when people start saying things like "but you must love x type of cheese! I could live on it for days" I have responded (if they are close friends) "Its like asking me to eat poo - that is what cheese is to me. Would you eat poo? I don't think so."

                                                              That finally stopped one of my best friends. :) Plus it means more cheese for those who actually like it, so me hating cheese is actually a community benefit.

                                                              1. re: Fydeaux

                                                                I think people may have that reaction because there is no valid reason on grounds of taste to hate meatloaf. It's a dish that's capable of almost endless variation -- unless one actually hates meat, then hating meatloaf makes no sense. You may hate a particular meatloaf (and I do) but it's not like the dish is consistent at all. The idea that a cut of meat that's enjoyable in its non-ground state becomes repulsive once ground is a little strange, and from that point on it's a matter of what's being added to it.

                                                                1. re: JonParker

                                                                  this sounds suspiciously like "Oh. but you havent tried MY meatloaf! I have the WONDERFUL recipe, and everyone I make it for just RAVES about it!"

                                                                  I don't know why it's so hard for people to just accept that someone HATES something.

                                                                  I had a friend years ago who didn't like sliced tomatoes -- but would eat bruschetta and fresh salsa, and was an absolute hound for a fresh tomato-basil pasta sauce. It was so weird (I mean -- it's all fresh tomato, right?) and I confess to laughing about it a couple of times (she agreed that it was a strange affectation)...but she's an adult, so I assume that if she says she doesn't like it, then it's not my job to screw with that.

                                                                  I simply don't get the mindset of those who say "oh, but you haven't had MY meatloaf" or "well, you just don't like that recipe".

                                                                  If someone says that meatloaf makes them gag -- leave them alone.

                                                                  1. re: sunshine842

                                                                    (1) sunshine842: "this sounds suspiciously like "Oh. but you havent tried MY meatloaf! I have the WONDERFUL recipe, and everyone I make it for just RAVES about it!"

                                                                    I don't know why it's so hard for people to just accept that someone HATES something."

                                                                    People have been insisting that if I just had THEIR pumpkin pie, I would LOVE pumpkin pie. I've tried it -- a bite or two -- probably a dozen times on Thanksgivings past, and you know what? I still don't like pumpkin pie. (Though I don't go all the way to *hate* with pumpkin pie, I can think of hundreds of desserts I like more.)

                                                                    (2) Jon P: "there is no valid reason on grounds of taste to hate meatloaf."

                                                                    "there is no valid reason on grounds of taste" to hate any food, Jon, except for the (extremely salient) fact that people hate it.

                                                                    I happen to like meat loaf, but if someone doesn't, WGAS? What is with this "no valid reason" stuff? Better to reason out why it bothers you so much what other people eat or don't eat.

                                                                    1. re: Jay F

                                                                      What other people eat or don't eat doesn't bother me at all, and that's really not my point. I'm just saying that there's a difference between an aversion to something based on the fact that one of the ingredients causes genuine displeasure to the taste buds, and a more emotional reaction. And I'm not claiming to be free of this.

                                                                      For instance I can't stand quiche. Now, i can't for the life of me give a a valid reason why I don't like quiche. I like eggs, I like bacon, I like cheese, I like onions. Every single thing that goes into a quiche is something that I would like under normal circumstances, but put it together like that and I can't stand it. I'd even eat all those ingredients in an omelet and like it just fine.

                                                                      I'm not criticizing anyone for what they choose to eat or not eat. I'm just saying that I find people's reactions interesting, including my own.

                                                                  2. re: JonParker

                                                                    As Mark Twain once put it, "In matters of opinion, our adversaries are all insane." As someone else put it, "It's difference of opinion that makes horse races."

                                                                    My hatred/dislike/not-caring-for of meatloaf has nothing to do with meat being ground (as I LOVE a good hamburger, chili, etc) and certainly nothing to do with hatred of meat, as I am a confirmed and dedicated carnivore. It has to do with the fact that I have never met a meatloaf that I have liked--NONE of the endless variations you refer to--and after all these years, I dont wish to waste a meal by trying any more.

                                                                    I have a friend who LOVES grand opera. I cant stand it, never could, never will. My friend insists that I dont like it because I wasnt 'properly exposed' to it. I've been a musician all my life; I've listened to HUNDREDS of operas from 4 centuries of musical history. And yet she can not and will not accept that I have a properly formed opinion because it doesnt agree with her's.

                                                                    And it's the same with meatloaf. I've tried enough to know that I dont wish to try any more. More for you. Enjoy. I mean that sincerely.

                                                                      1. re: BelovedofIsis

                                                                        Oh, B.O.I., did you really have to do that? Ya see, this is always the next step after "You would LOVE mine; everyone does!" When that doesnt work, they then try to trip you up by trying to get you to admit that you like something that is similar but little more than what you have declared you hate by calling it something that has another shape or in another language. Well, as Shakespeare or the Bible or Chelsea Handler or someone else once said, " A meatloaf by any other name IS STILL A FREAKIN' MEATLOAF! GET THAT STUFF OUT OF MY FACE!"

                                                                        The answer is no, I do not. I dont like meatballs as a rule. I hate yogurt too. Want to ask me about kefir?

                                                                        .

                                                                        1. re: Fydeaux

                                                                          Ok dokey, I was just curious, because I myself do not like meatloaf. However I do love me some kefta and kofta. I was just wondering if you were weird like me. It wasn't till last year when it dawned on me while we where at a greek restaurant that those delicious little lamb patties were indeed a type of meatloaf. ::shrug:: I still do not like what I call American meatloaf, yack. Its a shame about the yogurt though I love zatzike sauce!

                                                                          1. re: BelovedofIsis

                                                                            There are no doubt many ways in which I am weird like you; this doesnt happen to be one of them. (^-^)

                                                                            And in general, I have no problem with occasional inconsistancy in matters like this. [I have no problem eating a piece of tomato on a taco or in pico, but the though of taking a bite from a tomato as if it was an apple is abhorent to me.]

                                                                            Like I said, I do love a good hamburger, and it has been suggested by some who choose to take up the meatloaf argument that a hamburger is just a meatloaf in another form. My response to them is that if a hamburger is indistinguishable from meatloaf except in the shape, they have only known REALLY sad hamburgers.

                                                                            1. re: Fydeaux

                                                                              With you there, hamburgers are not meatloaf! Meatloaf has all sorts of other ingredients in it whereas burgers should be pure ground beef and seasoning (I do half Italian sausage half buffalo for my burgers occasionally).

                                                                              I don't really eat raw tomatoes either, and pick them out of every dish that is served with them, salsa being the only exception. However I was just introduced to the British piccolo tomato and those are pretty good raw though I can't eat more than two or three and they are the size of a cherry.

                                                                              I support you in your meatloaf war, go forth and fight the good fight ;)

                                                                    1. re: JonParker

                                                                      I hate meatloaf. I do love burgers, meatballs and kofta, but for me, it's a ratio thing and mouth-feel. For example, nothing is worse for me than a really thick patty on a hamburger. I have been known to disassemble a burger like this and cut it in half or just eat 1/4 of the meat and then the bun and other things with a knife and fork because i can't stand the big slab of ground meat. I also cut up meatballs into quarters and eat them with bites of pasta, can't eat them alone. Can eat a meatball sandwich, as there's bread to break it up, but it's not something I'd choose to order. Can eat kafta, but only with rice, and usually only half a skewer. But meatloaf? A big, nasty slab of plain ground meat? It's just not palatable to me, I don't like it. Doesn't care what the seasoning is. I've had some that have a really nice crust. If I could slice off just the crust and eat that in pieces, that would be tasty. But not the big, greasy slab. Ugh.

                                                                  3. Hate is a lovely and useful word, especially when applied to mushrooms and soft-boiled eggs.

                                                                    1. When I say I hate a food, I certainly don't say it sitting at someone else's table when they have just put that food down in front of me--that would just be rude. As to hated foods, cilantro tastes like soap to me when it's raw and most organ meats disgust me, though I will make an exception for foie gras.

                                                                      1. What I'm saying is, "No way in hell will I eat that, and please will you refrain from eating it in front of me". My reaction to the banned foods is either a headache or nausea. So far the only foods that I hate are truffles (the mushroom and warmed blue cheese). I agree with Fydeaux that by using the word hate I am emphatically stating that my dislike is not open to discussion.

                                                                        When I dislike a food/drink I just avoid eating it and don't make an issue out of it. Examples include uni, belgian beers, and cold blue cheeses. When I dislike something I am willing to be convinced that I might grown to like it, and maybe I just haven't had the right sample yet. Examples include, IPAs and scotch.

                                                                        1. Cooked root vegetables make me retch, and I can't get honey close enough to my face to eat it (the smell is repulsive) - but I don't think I've ever used the word 'hate' when describing them.

                                                                          'Hate' to me implies intense emotion, whereas 'don't eat' is quite adequate to cover my food dislikes.
                                                                          (except of course in writing, on places like Chowhound)

                                                                          1. For me, hate is an outright physical rejection of the food. It means that, if I manage to put it in my mouth, I will immediately spit it out in disgust and go brush my teeth to get rid of the taste.

                                                                            The only thing that does that to me is pineapple. Everything else is simply a dislike.

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                                                                            1. re: Terrieltr

                                                                              Agree - hate is only for things I absolutely will not eat under any circumstances. There are two things that do it for me - milk (heavily flavoured is fine, but straight milk gives me nightmares) and goat's cheese. HATE. In fact, hate is not a strong enough word for goat's cheese.

                                                                            2. I always (even in my head) go for "dislike". Or simply "I'm not a fan of food x " to say it to someone else. I use hate mostly for situations that I, well, hate. Illness, injuries, etc...

                                                                              1. I used to HATE onions, growing up. couldn't stand to see one in a dish, or accidentally crunch into one. I'd have to immediately spit them out. Then, of course, cooking with them, because you gotta, i got used to them, and now the only way I won't eat them is whole and raw, like a slice in a burger. If they're cooked really well, caramelized, they won't bother me, but I really can only eat them raw in things like salsa. Love raw shallots and scallions . Makes no sense, i know.

                                                                                I used to heartily dislike green peppers, to a very high degree, bordering on hate. but i got over that last year. Now about the only thing i really dislike are lima beans, but i do like them in a Persian dish with dill, served usually with lamb shanks.

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                                                                                1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                  I don't think you're alone in the raw onion thing. It's a safe guess to say that most people have an aversion to consuming (regular) raw onions. Shallots are often used in place of the onion and many recipes call for raw scallions. So, I'd say you're normal. Now, point out somehow that can just chop up a raw onion and eat it with a simple condiment and I'll point out a weirdo.

                                                                                  1. re: ediblover

                                                                                    I wouldn't even need the condiment.

                                                                                    1. re: ediblover

                                                                                      I have known people who will eat an onion like other people eat apples - lots of people who'll eat a Vidalia that way, but quite a few who'll do it with a "regular" onion.

                                                                                      1. re: ediblover

                                                                                        Hello my name is Peg and I'm a wierdo.
                                                                                        Raw onion sandwiches, yum.....

                                                                                        1. re: ediblover

                                                                                          I think I'd disagree with the "most people have an aversion to consuming (regular) raw onions" given their prevalence in restaurant salads and on burgers.

                                                                                          My mom is a child of the depression, and every now and then she still has an onion and ketchup sandwich

                                                                                          1. re: gaffk

                                                                                            Most restaurant onions are toned down, either with a liquid or just by the type (say, like a purple/red, ww or vidalia).

                                                                                            But, to those that can do it... I would just stare at the eating/action (combination of awe and pain), mostly because I know there's no way my stomach can take it - I'd put it right up there with eating a really hot chile pepper.

                                                                                            1. re: ediblover

                                                                                              "mostly because I know there's no way my stomach can take it"

                                                                                              now THAT a lot of us can identify with, I'm guessing -- particularly as we get older.

                                                                                              Doesn't stop me from *trying* most of the time, though.

                                                                                              Pass the Rolaids, please.

                                                                                          2. re: ediblover

                                                                                            ediblelover, thanks for validating my onion aversion, but i've always felt in the minority. I do know a lot of people who like biting into thick raw onion slices. eeee...still gives me the shudders.

                                                                                            1. re: ediblover

                                                                                              When I lived in Iran in the seventies, raw, whole onions (complete with peel) were routinely served with chelokebab (kebab with rice) in the chelokebab restaurants. People would smash them with their fists before eating them. I didn't do it, but it was fun to watch.

                                                                                          3. Though I may have used the word hate hyperbolically with other foods, I can really think of only one that truly falls in the "hate" category: cashews. Can't stand them. Even the smell makes me sick to my stomach.

                                                                                            And as for the whole category of nuts: not a fan of walnuts, almonds are good on occasion, like peanuts, LOVE pistachios (though I ate a whole bag of them earlier today and am feeling a little woozy as a result). I don't know what it is about cashews, but every year we get a bit mixed-nut jar for Christmas, and I have to throw away the (quite pretty) jar because it still smells like cashews even after multiple washings.

                                                                                            1. Mint, any type, in any form, I hate, even the smell is nausea inducing. Nothing else I can think of is worthy of more than 'dislike'.

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                                                                                              1. re: OCEllen

                                                                                                I also dislike mint.....even at the dentist I have to get a different flavor of tooth polish as the mint disgusts me to nausea. I also find the smell of popcorn so utterly revolting that I won't ever eat it.

                                                                                                Mostly, foods I say I "hate" tho usually reminds me of the foods my mother cooked - and she was a very bad cook! I used to "hate" asparagus cuz she would boil canned asparagus!!! Now I LOVE roasted or grilled asparagus with balsamic or parmesan...YUM!

                                                                                              2. I never say hate but I mean...I won't be buying it again.

                                                                                                1. I hate some foods (blue cheese, I'm looking at you!). Yes, I know "hate is a strong word" and that is precisely why I use it.

                                                                                                  Still, I have some manners so it's not like I'm busting out a "I HATE THAT" if someone attempted to serve it to me.

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                                                                                                  1. re: LeoLioness

                                                                                                    Yes, exactly, there is a distinction between hating a food and telling others that you do when that food has been served to you. It's probably pretty rare that a polite person can't get out of eating it via some means other than saying "I really hate that."

                                                                                                    1. re: Isolda

                                                                                                      Yep. Neither hubby nor I care for beets (we've at least matured enough that we don't hop up and down on one foot screaming "ICK!")

                                                                                                      We have a very dear friend who is Ukrainian, and I feel awful, because so much of her native cooking is built around stinkin' beets...and we had to find a way to kindly tell her that we'll eat them once in a while, but we just really don't like them. (Felt so bad -- we get together with them a lot (like once a week), so it was something we finally had to mention -- and did our best to make sure that she understood that this really was a case of it being us, not her. She's a fantastic cook, and I love ALL her other dishes.)

                                                                                                      But we never used the word hate.

                                                                                                  2. I don't hate many foods, but if I say I hate it (dill pickles, canned tuna, spearmint, liver, sea cucumber) then I really HATE it and will not eat things that have touched it. If it just isn't my favourite, I'll use different wording.

                                                                                                    1. When I say I hate cheese, I mean I hate cheese. As in I'd rather watch every episode of Pee Wee's Playhouse back to back for 2 weeks straight. Yuck:}

                                                                                                      1. I don't usually use the word hate (in regard to food) in public unless I'm with family or close friends. Yet it does apply to my feelings regarding condiments like mustard, ketchup, and *shudder* mayonnaise. I will spit the food out if I detect even a trace (discreetly into a napkin of course so as not to offend my dining companions :)). I just can't stand the stuff!

                                                                                                        1. there's really no food I absolutely hate. so if I say I hate something it just means I dislike it, but I also rarely say that.

                                                                                                          1. I would rather a person say "I hate--" than say "Don't eat that! It's horrible!" The first at least reflects personal taste, where the second is manipulative.

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                                                                                                            1. re: mnosyne

                                                                                                              I so agree. Unfortunately a few of my friends seem to think that their opinions are universally shared and do not understand why I would eat something they consider disgusting. Case in point, green tea (although I guess that's more so drinking than eating....)

                                                                                                            2. I say it mentally but I always choked it down

                                                                                                              1. When invited to someone else home for dinner I use the phrase "I don't really care for.." but there are foods that I will not eat because they make me sick. In those case I will not "choke it down".

                                                                                                                I do use "hate" for foods "I'd prefer to throw the plate across the room then put a morsel of that vile substance in my mouth." But again, that would be in more casual conversations. I would not tell someone serving me that I hate it, I would use other wording.

                                                                                                                1. Strongly dislike, I over use the word and rarely mean it. Usually means I would never choose to eat this, there are a few foods I hate but no more than 2 I can think of.

                                                                                                                  1. Wouldn't it be a better world if that word wasn't part of or it's meaning represented in our, or any language.

                                                                                                                    While "hate" is as well used as many other four letter words in my vocabulary, rarely if ever does it pass threw my lips with its definition as its meaning.

                                                                                                                    When it come to food or drink there is very few if any things I can say I hate. The fortunate facts of life are, I can and do, avoid those things that don't appeal to me. If in a social circumstance where I'm presented with limited options I will suck it up and eat what I can of something, even if I don't care for it.

                                                                                                                    I guess I'm saying although I use the word it's rarely with its intended use. I hate Vodka! Do I really? Hell no! I might hate my relationship with it, but I sure don't hate it!

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                                                                                                                    1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                      Wow, some people take this word too seriously. I think there's a difference between saying you hate peas or washing the dishes and saying you hate white/African American/French/old/mentally challenged people.

                                                                                                                      1. re: dmjordan

                                                                                                                        It sort of reminds me of a radio commercial that the Franciscan ministries did in the 70's (I have it on some old radio recordings, which is why I have heard it) where they tried to convince people that is was wrong to say they "loved" food, or clothes or such, because "Love is only for people, and God"

                                                                                                                    2. when I say "I hate" it means I cannot consume it - there are only two things I can think of that fall into this category - root beer and coconut meat. With root beer it's a smell/taste thing perhaps caused by a childhood incident I can't really recall. I shudder just at the thought of the texture of coconut meat. but I enjoy coconut milk in things like curries and soups.

                                                                                                                      1. If I hate non-Jelly Belly jelly beans, Taiwanese night markets and Hakka cuisine, then it's literal.

                                                                                                                        If I hate that the English language doesn't have diacritics, I'm just waxing nostalgic for Turkish.

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                                                                                                                        1. Now that I'm thinking about it, I think that I use "hate" more often than I actually mean it. I'm probably guilty of saying I hate something when I merely dislike it.

                                                                                                                          I also, in my naive and timid past, have been guilty of saying I hate an entire cuisine when I haven't even tried it. Pretty much anything ethnic besides Mexican (I grew up in AZ, so that felt natural to me) got that word until I was about 17.

                                                                                                                          I DO, however, HATE catfish. I will keep preparing it and keep eating it when other people prepare it, hoping something will change, but I can't ever get past about three bites. So for me, hate means I cannot bring myself to come close to finishing it.

                                                                                                                          I also hate fast food restaurants, but that is a matter (somewhat) unrelated to how I feel about the taste of the food.

                                                                                                                          1. As mentioned some upthread, I use the word "hate" more in regards to food that holds a negative memory or emotion rather than how much I do or do not like it.

                                                                                                                            I "hate" hard boiled eggs and bananas - and they will not pass my lips, and if they do are likely to be spit out (if it's possible to do so discretely). I will also say that I hate black pepper - but I will eat it and am actively encouraging myself to stop disliking it. It's a weird childhood hold over that I'm still working to change.

                                                                                                                            However, nigella seeds - which I never really encountered growing up but after moving to the Middle East, have had to deal with regularly. If a bread roll has been marked by one nigella seed it will taint the flavor of the whole role to me (even after having been removed). As much as I dislike nigella seeds, I probably wouldn't use the word hate because there just isn't that emotional/childhood association.

                                                                                                                            1. I am always amazed at the cultural aversion to the word "hate". There are things that it is appropriate to hate....we all have our own list.

                                                                                                                              Mine would be evil dictators, child molesters, rapists, crooked public servants, and cilantro.

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                                                                                                                              1. re: sal_acid

                                                                                                                                Well, I think you've hit the heart of the matter. Given a choice between Pol Pot and eating a mountain of cilantro (assuming I hated it), I'd have to go for the cilantro every time.

                                                                                                                              2. To me, if I say I hate a food, that means that it will trigger a gag reflex and it is impossible to choke down even one bite.
                                                                                                                                There are many foods or preparations I don't care for, but I reserve hate for the gaggers.

                                                                                                                                I don't use hate for a restaurant or cuisine. Again, some restaurants I don't care for, but I don't harbor any hatred for them.

                                                                                                                                1. IMNSHO, it's just WRONG to say you "hate" something you've never even tried?? Have ADULT in-law (over 60) who "hates" stuff she's never taken one single taste of??

                                                                                                                                  REALLY don't care for liver, unless a nice pate. Seriously doubt I'll ever go to friend/family member's home and find that on dinner table. BUT if it ever occurred, could handle a few bites... maybe its a recipe that actually makes liver edible to me??

                                                                                                                                  Have tried oysters every which way... oyster stew, fried, baked, broiled/grilled, even raw... just NOT for me.

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                                                                                                                                  1. re: kseiverd

                                                                                                                                    Raw or cooked, oysters are the food of the gods. That said, my mom hates them, and has tried them several different ways.