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Technivorm, yea or nay? Husband sick of weak Keurig coffee...

buttertart May 3, 2011 01:23 PM

I'd really like to get a Jura (his beau idéal of coffemakers, given happy experiences with them when traveling) but can't bring myself to lash out that much dough. Is the Technivorm all that? Is there another coffeemaker at a lower price point that makes strong European-style coffee? Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

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    Rella RE: buttertart May 3, 2011 01:47 PM

    Geez, looking at Amazon prices - $299.99 - could this be correct?

    I went through the torture of coffeemakers until I finally decided "espresso" is the only way to go for me. Going through unsatisfactory coffeemakers (and semi-expensive) now is a thing of the past.

    You don't have to go $500 for an espresso maker. You can look around and get something for much, much less.
    Then you may get hooked on it.

    But espreso makers take dedication similar to 'relationships.'
    A lot of work, but fun!

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      bob96 RE: buttertart May 3, 2011 01:51 PM

      Try a Bialetti Moka. The machine does not make it on its own: you'll always be playing with variants on beans, roasts, grinds and time.
      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/654430

      1. jnk RE: buttertart May 3, 2011 01:55 PM

        We have a Keurig coffee maker at work and I find it makes a horrible cup of coffee. At home we've gone through many different brands and currently we have a Zjirushi 10 cup carafe and we love it. Good strong coffee, carafe...fantastic. I'm sure the Technivorm makes a great cup of coffee but at some point I feel I just have to say ENOUGH (for me, not for you). Good luck.

        http://www.amazon.com/Zojirushi-EC-BD...

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          buttertart RE: jnk May 3, 2011 02:17 PM

          The Zo is another one I've been considering, thanks for the vote of confidence!

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            junescook RE: buttertart May 3, 2011 02:55 PM

            We love our coffee (probably have ten different varieties in the house at present, mostly dark roasts) and we loooove our Zojirushi. It gets the water very hot so it makes a respectibly strong cup of coffee, and then it keeps it hot for 2-3 hours in its thermal carafe without burning it. They're usually around $90 though we found ours on sale at Newegg for under $70.

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              junescook RE: junescook May 3, 2011 07:37 PM

              A number of folks are advocating a french press. At several point in my life -- eg, when I was a teenager, during the 60's my father tried it, later, one of my professional colleagues tries to wow us with one. Apart from presentation, what you get is acidy coffee, with extraneous grounds at a lower than normal temperature. Believe me, I've done them all and have found the Zojirushi has made us the happiest. We are a retired couple. We drink two pots a morning. We've had the Zo for at least 5 years.

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                buttertart RE: junescook May 4, 2011 08:25 AM

                The level of coffee intensity we're looking for is along the lines of a fresh cup of Major Dickason's or other dark roast at Peet's in Berkeley, or so. I drink a couple of cups a day but he (a midwesterner) drinks at least a potful. We've been using our own beans in the Keurig and he likes the convenience of having a cup in a minute and reasonably hot, but the flavor just isn't where we like it to be. Neither of us has ever been crazy about French presses. We have a stovetop espresso pot for times when only that will do. Thanks very much for the vote of confidence in the Zo, I'm leaning toward it as it seems to meet the criteria we have in mind.

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          GeezerGourmet RE: buttertart May 3, 2011 02:24 PM

          GO Technivorm!
          The best coffee brewer I've ever had.

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            pikawicca RE: GeezerGourmet May 6, 2011 01:17 PM

            +1!

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            ferret RE: buttertart May 3, 2011 02:34 PM

            A French press can make "strong European-style coffee." You're mixing two concepts, coffee strength and coffee brewing. It's like saying "my vodka doesn't make strong enough mixed drinks."

            It's possible that you may not have found a K-Cup that works for you (or maybe you've tried them all, including the roll-your-own option). However, if all you want is a stronger cup of coffee then find a bean you like, get an inexpensive french press and see if you can get a proper brew to your liking. An easier starting point than buying a $300 coffee maker.

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              Rella RE: ferret May 3, 2011 03:00 PM

              By all means, buy an 'inexpensive" french press. I've tried three over the past three decades. I don't think there is really any improvement.
              One of my complaints about the modern french press is that hot water comes in contact with plastic.

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                ThanksVille RE: Rella May 4, 2011 12:01 AM

                French Press and Plastic? Maybe but there are other options. Having lived in Italy with spouse for over a year, we became completely addicted to espresso drinks 4 or 5 times a day. Returning to the US we opted for a wonderful (admittedly expensive) machine that fulfills our need for great flavor, full crema, hot espresso but it takes some time and is a ritual; so it is often relegated to weekends and entertaining.

                Our day to day caffeine needs are met using stainless steel, double-wall insulated Freiling (sp/) french press pots. They are fabulous, completely dishwasher safe and never break like the glass Bodum carafes did.

                It took a while to find the coffee flavor profiles that could keep us interested (currently Starbucks; 50% Gold Coast and 50% Cafe Verona) for a mix of high bright tones balanced with deep caramel flavors.

                Getting a consistent grind day after day was the next step and that took finding the right setting on our burr grinder, measuring a consistent quantity of beans by scoops into the grinder and using the same timing setting for the beans.

                Water quality was next, we opted for a Brita filter carafe to remove all traces of chlorine and always have one ready to go.

                Water is boiled in a simple kettle, double the amount needed for the press pot. We fill the press with boiling water to pre-heat the stainless steel, cover and immerse the plunger. After about a minute, (during which time the coffee beans are scooped into the grinder), we pour the press pot water into ceramic coffee mugs to heat them and place the measured ground coffee into the pot. By that time the remainder of the water in the kettle has cooled from boiling down to around 195 degrees. That is poured into the press pot slowly to saturate the grounds. Once filled to just under the V groove of the pouring spout, the press is covered. For us, 4 minutes after covering is perfect brew time for a deep rich but not bitter cup. Plunger is pressed slowly, coffee mugs emptied of hot water (back into kettle) and hot, fresh brewed coffee is poured that has a level of intensity with pure, clean flavors.

                Admittedly it took a while to fine tune this 'system approach' but it fits our needs and can be repeated for consistent results. The only plastic in this equation is our use of the Brita Filter carafe but can't believe that has any impact on the flavor of our water.

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                amyzan RE: ferret May 3, 2011 04:26 PM

                French press was my initial thought on reading the OP. I don't know if it will appeal, but sometimes simpler actually IS better, in my estimation, with coffee at least. But, I am not a daily coffee drinker, and that may make all the difference, if convenience is a big factor.

              3. Eiron RE: buttertart May 3, 2011 02:58 PM

                When you say "Jura," do you mean one of their espresso/coffee machines? Because the results from the TechniVorm won't be anything like the results from the Jura; they're two completely different animals.

                The TechniVorm is more like a really nice automatic Melitta drip brewer & copper kettle combo. I've had mine for over 4 yrs & love it, but you won't get "strong European-style coffee" out of it any more than you would out of a Melitta or Mr. Coffee.

                The Jura will make "café crèma" cups of coffee, which is probably more along the lines of what you're desiring. I can make these with my Quick Mill espresso machine, but not with my TechniVorm. The next closest brewing style would be moka-pot coffee.

                http://www.casadimoka.com/MokaPotsAll...

                1. Politeness RE: buttertart May 3, 2011 04:11 PM

                  buttertart: "Is there another coffeemaker at a lower price point that makes strong European-style coffee?"

                  Vev Vigano Kontessa Nuova 6 cup, about $60+shipping
                  http://www.kasbahouse.com/villawareon...

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                    cutipie721 RE: buttertart May 4, 2011 07:44 AM

                    I swear I saw a refurbished Jura Ena 5 for around $500 online a few days ago...

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                      Ninevah RE: buttertart May 4, 2011 08:18 AM

                      I was going to suggest the Krups Moka Brew. I absolutely love the coffee it makes. I knew they were getting scarce, but I can't find a single for sale model on the internet. :(

                      I should have bought an extra years ago, it seems.

                      EDIT:

                      http://www.jamaicabluemountaincoffee....

                      1. buttertart RE: buttertart May 6, 2011 09:07 AM

                        So! We got the Zojirushi and are very satisfied with it - the coffee is HOT and nice and strong. By far the best coffee we've ever had from a drip machine. I'll report on temperature maintenance in the carafe over the weekend. My inner cheapskate is very pleased that this unit does the trick.

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                          junescook RE: buttertart May 6, 2011 11:07 AM

                          Just be careful you don't put the cover on too tight when you go to brew the coffee -- it can get tighter. Enjoy.

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                            buttertart RE: junescook May 6, 2011 11:13 AM

                            Okeydokey. will warn him (the coffee jockey at our place). Thanks again.

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                              junescook RE: buttertart May 7, 2011 09:36 AM

                              also, if the #4 filter seems a bit tall, just turn up the little tab on the bottom (point) of the cone, and it will fit fine.

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                            Rella RE: buttertart May 6, 2011 02:27 PM

                            I'm glad you got a coffee maker that satisfies you. I'm wondering if you can tell me (us) the model - if there are more than one Zojirushi coffee maker.

                            I like the Zo... brand. I've had many brands of rice makers since 1973 and the Zojirushi brand (there are many models!) is the one I've been happiest with.

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                              buttertart RE: Rella May 7, 2011 08:55 AM

                              http://www.amazon.com/Zojirushi-EC-BD...

                              This one. I'm having coffee from it now, and when it's first poured, it's too hot for me to drink. Yum.

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                                Rella RE: buttertart May 7, 2011 09:27 AM

                                I only want HOT coffee. I see there are many good reviews.

                                I've oft wondered about the thermos small-necked containers.

                                1. In your particular model, will you be sitting the thermos on a/the heated burner, as well its capability of keeping hot in its thermal container (stainless inside?)?

                                2. Are you going to use a bottle's brush each time to wash it out?

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                                  junescook RE: Rella May 7, 2011 09:45 AM

                                  There's no heater. When I make the coffee I rinse the pot out in hot water, fill the maker with cold. The carafe keeps the coffee hot without burning it; that's the point. Now obviously a full pot will keep hotter than one with one cup in it, but I just poured a cup that was brewed ca 3 hrs ago and it's ok. (I don't put anything in it). Later on in the day I'll stick my cupful in the mw for 20 seconds and it in any scenario it will be better than coffee that's been sitting over a hotpad for the same number of hours.

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                                    mateo21 RE: junescook May 7, 2011 01:14 PM

                                    "...stick my cupful in the mw for 20 seconds..." This might explain a little bit of your French Press hate expressed above - at least for me it does.

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                                      junescook RE: mateo21 May 8, 2011 10:48 AM

                                      Say what?

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                                      poser RE: junescook May 7, 2011 07:12 PM

                                      "Later on in the day I'll stick my cupful in the mw for 20 seconds"

                                      And this is why Chowhound needs a specific coffee forum!

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                                        junescook RE: poser May 8, 2011 10:46 AM

                                        Compare that with 4-hour old coffee sitting on a Mr. Coffee burner all day.

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                                          poser RE: junescook May 8, 2011 11:29 AM

                                          How about neither? Coffee should be brewed and immediately drunk. If you need four cups, brew four cups. If you need one, brew one. Isn't that hard and is much less wasteful.

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                                            buttertart RE: poser May 9, 2011 06:42 AM

                                            A counsel of perfection. This machine suits us as it obviously does junescook. Just because you happen to prefer Champagne to ditchwater doesn't mean the cosmos does, to paraphrase OWH.

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                                    jnk RE: buttertart May 7, 2011 09:33 AM

                                    Congratulations on your choice however one quick caveat, Don't forget to leave the top loosened a bit while you are brewing. Seems simple enough but we made the mistake once (the brewed coffee from the filter will overflow and create a mess) and though we learn from our mistakes, we have had company that while doing us a favor and making coffee doesn't realize that the top needs to be loose and well, you get the idea. Enjoy!

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                                      buttertart RE: jnk May 9, 2011 06:39 AM

                                      Thanks! It's really working out well for us and suits my husband (the coffeeholic) down to the ground. Wish we'd twigged to it earlier.

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                                        jnk RE: buttertart May 11, 2011 04:24 AM

                                        Glad it worked out and that he's happy with it. It's nice when which coffee maker we get is one of "bigger" problems.

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                                          buttertart RE: jnk May 11, 2011 06:10 AM

                                          I wouldn't say that, exactly, but things of this sort grease the wheels of life, don't they.

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