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ttoommyy May 2, 2011 06:13 AM

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    brooklynkoshereater Nov 30, 2011 07:50 PM

    And yet, what's old is new again http://www.scientificamerican.com/art...

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      freia Nov 25, 2011 06:29 AM

      To me, above all, food science is about selling HOPE. No one wants to get ill, and everyone wants to live a long healthy life. This is behind the "miracle foods" and problems with foods that come up in the media all the time. An apple a day keeps the doctor away! No, wait! The alar on the apple will KILL you! No, wait! Alar isn't a problem, the arsenic is!
      The thought is if you get "right" info, you will avoid all sorts of diseases and you can control your destiny. I think the various marketing boards and advertisement budgets of corporations drives alot of this in the quest for bigger profits.
      Unfortunately, aside from a few absolutes (as in, x is poisonous if you ingest it call your Poison Control Center), we can't control a whole bunch. We can try to do the best we can, and follow some guidelines I suppose, but at the end of the day, poop happens and we just have to deal with it.
      If one eats a balanced diet (aka all the food groups in moderation), keeps to a reasonable body weight, exercises moderately and regularly, we'll be just fine.

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        Luna2372 Nov 30, 2011 05:37 PM

        I hear you Freia. It can drive a body to drink, (more than one should) trying to keep up with it all. But really common sense will get you there most of the time.

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        Luna2372 Nov 25, 2011 12:46 AM

        And in a similar vein, what about all the "miracle" foods that crop up? Why will ppl spend huge money on processed, imported berries Acai/gogi/ect...but would never think of eating oregon grape or rose hips or what ever traditional berry from there own area?

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          hill food Nov 25, 2011 02:20 AM

          Luna because that's too easy and obvious and therefore not the statement of self one wishes to make. i'm sure there is value in these things, but there also is value in doing something what one's grandma (who lived beyond count) did. it just doesn't have a marketing campaign.

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            Luna2372 Nov 30, 2011 05:35 PM

            LOL, I guess I'm just more a granny than I care to admit! It does seem like we often don't appreicate the things close to home tho.

            I have plans to do a wild food course this year, so I'll be trying harder to do the right thing. Not only for my pocket book but for the environment.

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              hill food Nov 30, 2011 10:19 PM

              choose your audience carefully, last Spring I foraged in the rain for dandelion greens, wild cress and wild grape tendrils to be received at best with disinterest if not downright disdain and derision.

        2. Bill Hunt Nov 23, 2011 08:03 PM

          Well, over the last 30 years of my long life, coffee has been banned, blessed, banned, blessed, and then it seem to cure some cancers, but others call for it to be banned.

          Who knows what coffee will be thought of next week?

          Same for wine - one day, red wine is great to extend life, and the next, people are told to shun it completely, 'cause it causes something.

          I just eat and drink what I want, and then sit down and review all of my tests with my Dr., and alter things in moderation, should something show up. I cannot be troubled with the food issue du jour, as those will change, within six months.

          Anyone remember when Alar in apples would kill you?

          Hunt

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            freia Nov 24, 2011 07:46 AM

            Now its the arsenic in apples, if you are to believe Dr. Oz...

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              Bill Hunt Nov 30, 2011 07:20 PM

              Or maybe it's still the Alar in apples? Anyone remember that scare?

              Hunt

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                sandylc Nov 30, 2011 07:31 PM

                Yeah. Tonights news - we're back to arsenic in apple juice now. Sigh.

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                ttoommyy Dec 1, 2011 07:37 AM

                "if you are to believe Dr. Oz..."

                That man has the perfect last name. "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

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              INDIANRIVERFL Nov 23, 2011 07:10 AM

              The big push for grain fed beef in the early 60's. Not that tough wide open pasture grass fed stuff. Beef that was fed nutritiously and scientifically in barns and feed lots.

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                freia Nov 22, 2011 01:22 PM

                VINDICATION!!!!!!
                LOL wow have times changed...
                Thanks for posting!

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                  fara Nov 21, 2011 06:23 PM

                  Starting point commemorated: pseudoscience begins to kill Americans...

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                    sunshine842 Nov 21, 2011 10:39 PM

                    Nah - there were ads touting the health benefits of smoking in the 30s and 40s...and the health benefits of a little cocaine before that....and before that it was lead powder to improve the complexion...and before that it was bloodletting....the more things change, the less things change.

                    If it's being sold for a profit, there's someone trying to spin it.

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                      fara Nov 22, 2011 06:33 PM

                      I wonder though when they started lying about food science.

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                        sunshine842 Nov 23, 2011 01:22 PM

                        somewhere about the same time -- as soon as someone realized there was profit involved.

                  2. alliegator May 6, 2011 11:03 AM

                    Yikes!! People can also drop pounds by stealing their kid's Adderall, but I don't see ads for that and it's no less stupid that the suger thing, haha.
                    Will never understand what is so hard about latching on to common sense: enjoy everything in moderation.

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                      ricepad May 4, 2011 12:00 PM

                      Dr. Melik: This morning for breakfast he requested something called wheat germ, organic honey, and tiger’s milk.

                      Dr. Aragon: Oh, yes. Those are the charmed substances that some years ago were thought to contain life-preserving properties.

                      Dr. M: You mean there was no deep fat? No steak or cream pies or hot fudge?

                      Dr. A: Those were thought to be unhealthy—precisely the opposite of what we now know to be true.

                      From the 1973 Woody Allen movie“Sleeper,” in which Woody's character, a former health food store owner, wakes up after being asleep for 200 years.

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                        buttertart May 6, 2011 10:35 AM

                        That is the best commentary on the matter ever.

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                          AverageJo Nov 22, 2011 01:27 PM

                          Also from Sleeper, the scene where Drs Melik and Aragon offer Miles a cigarette to calm him down: "It's tobacco! The healthiest thing in the world!"

                          OK, so that's pure fantasy, but a very funny bit nonetheless.

                      2. monavano May 3, 2011 04:31 AM

                        I'm so glad eggs are "OK to eat now!" I love them. DH has a bit of a cholesterol issue, so we don't overindulge, but we enjoy than more now than ever.
                        I also don't get all these "healthy chefs" who espouse eating egg whites only. You miss out on so many nutrients that way. I use Egg Beaters or the like, but generally cut in a few real eggs when making dishes such as frittata.

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                          sandylc Nov 26, 2011 03:31 PM

                          Egg Beaters are probably not very good for you.

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                          smartie May 2, 2011 02:40 PM

                          in the UK they used to advertise ' go to work on an egg' presumably that meant it was ok to eat an egg or two per day - now it's too much cholesterol! I also remember '6 slices a day is the well balanced way' regarding bread.

                          then there was the big ingredient in Coke!

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                            sunshine842 May 3, 2011 01:53 AM

                            Nope, now they're back to eggs being okay.

                            Can't remember who said it, but agree fully with whomever it was who said that after reading about all the things that you should give up because they're unhealthy, I've decided to give up reading.

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                              hill food May 3, 2011 02:55 AM

                              beats giving up eating. ehh fuck 'em all just monitor your BP, cholesterol and BMI.

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                              linguafood May 3, 2011 03:39 AM

                              eggs have long been proven to not raise your cholesterol. i eat at least one egg a day, usually two. my cholesterol is awesome.

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                                sandylc Nov 26, 2011 03:28 PM

                                The egg phobia thing has been disproven. Eggs are very good for you.

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                                Whinerdiner May 2, 2011 02:21 PM

                                Wow. I think that was just about the time that cheeseburgers were being advertised as "health food".

                                1. ttoommyy May 2, 2011 06:14 AM

                                  From the July 1970 issue of Life magazine. See attached.

                                  The copy reads:

                                  We know it sounds odd--but it can work.
                                  Spoil your appetite by eating something with sugar.
                                  Sugar works faster than any other food to turn your appetite "down,"
                                  your energy "up."
                                  Then, when mealtime comes, you're less apt to overeat.
                                  Willpower never tasted so good.
                                  Sugar...only 18 calories per teaspoon, and it's all energy.

                                  SUGAR INFORMATION
                                  General Post Office Box 94, New York, NY 10001

                                   
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                                    Delucacheesemonger May 3, 2011 01:26 AM

                                    What a great spin

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                                      Querencia Nov 25, 2011 12:23 AM

                                      I remember reading somewhere that back around 1960 a man's doctor advised him to eat half a pound of lunchmeat (and nothing else) for lunch every day. We are talking, like, baloney and salami. The idea then was that this constituted a pure protein diet that would help control weight. But then the man had a heart attack (lunchmeat is high fat etc) and he sued the doctor.

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