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chimay5 Apr 2, 2011 04:13 PM

Anyone know who the importer of the Corsendonk Abbey Ales is?

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  1. JessKidden RE: chimay5 Apr 2, 2011 04:55 PM

    http://greatbrewers.com/importer/st-k...

    Just changed the beginning of the year http://beernews.org/tag/corsendonk/ Had previously been Phoenix Imports.

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      chimay5 RE: JessKidden Apr 4, 2011 10:23 AM

      Thanks. Guess Phoenix is done? Did business with them way back.

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        Jim Dorsch RE: chimay5 Apr 4, 2011 10:41 AM

        Phoenix did some good work over the years, not least being to work very hard to revive Thomas Hardy's Ale.

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          JessKidden RE: Jim Dorsch Apr 4, 2011 11:07 AM

          Doesn't Phoenix actually own the "Thomas Hardy" brand now? IIRC, that was the hang-up finding another UK brewer to product it after O'Hanlon dropped, or at least rumored to be.

          Phoenix also was the Samichlaus importer back in the Hurlimann-era days, IIRC.

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            Jim Dorsch RE: JessKidden Apr 4, 2011 01:19 PM

            I believe you're correct on both counts.

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              chimay5 RE: Jim Dorsch Apr 5, 2011 09:43 AM

              The Saxons, George and his wife Pat are interesting people. George was an executive at National Brewing in Baltimore when it was bought out by Paul Kaulvinovitch (think I have his name right) of consolidation fame. He bought failing breweries for their labels which he then had brewed I think, by Heileman. George was riffed as part of the process. He had some contacts in England and decided to get into the beer importing business, thus the name Phoenix Importing (resurrected bird connection). His first imports were, from Eldrige Pope in Dorset, Royal Oak Pale Ale and Thomas Hardy's, Samichlaus from Zurich and the Leifmans Ales from Belgium.
              Phoenix was one of the first to help build the special beers import market.

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                Jim Dorsch RE: chimay5 Apr 5, 2011 10:23 AM

                I recall that George learned about importing through an import he worked on before going on his own. I think the beer was Presidente.

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                  JessKidden RE: chimay5 Apr 5, 2011 11:07 AM

                  Paul Kalmanovitz owned the General (Lucky Lager), Falstaff, Pearl and finally Pabst Brewing companies, but never had anything to do with National or Heileman (except some lawsuits involving the latter during the merger mania of the 70's-80's).

                  Heileman bought the merged Carling-National a few years after the two Baltimore headquartered companies had merged in the late 1970's.

                  Long after Kalmanovitz died, Pabst did wind up owning many of the Heileman brands (including the C-N brands) when they bought the Stroh collection of labels in 1999. Stroh had bought Heileman a few years earlier.

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                    chimay5 RE: JessKidden Apr 5, 2011 12:41 PM

                    Thanks for helping my poor memory.

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                      JessKidden RE: chimay5 Apr 5, 2011 03:46 PM

                      No problem. Now, if you can just remind me of my nieces' and nephews' names before the next family event, we're even.

                      (Watching my once favorite pre-craft era beers, Ballantine XXX Ale and India Pale Ale, be destroyed by Kalmanovitz and his company during the 1970-90's helps with my memory of the specifics).

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