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Erincc77 Apr 1, 2011 06:56 PM

Hello all! I've been reading the San Fran Bay Area posts for a couple weeks now so I've gotten a lot of great ideas but it's hard to tie down certain meals since I don't know the area so I'm looking for a little help here. Our friend is a wine rep so she's scheduling all of the winery tours. Winery reservations so far are at Arrowood, Cakebread, Long Meadow Ranch, T Vine, Staglin & Frank Family.

Thursday: Arrive early afternoon. Staying in Union Square and would like a place close to the hotel for a bite and some drinks before the Alcatraz night tour.

Also need a place for a later dinner after the tour which ends around 9. My SO wants to go to In-N-Out Burger but I'm hoping to convince her to go somewhere a little better.

Friday: Up early to head to Muir Woods. Is there anything good and quick for breakfast either in Union Square or on the way to Muir Woods?

I also need help with a place for lunch after the woods. We would need it to be pretty casual since we'll be in hiking gear.

For dinner Friday we are heading to the Off the Grid event at the Fort Mason Center. I'm very excited about this but don't have a lot of experience with food trucks so not sure what to expect.

Saturday: Heading to the Ferry Plaza Farmer's Market for a few hours. Will most likely pick up breakfast and lunch there. 2 of our friends are coming in to meet us and we're heading to Perbacco for dinner.

Sunday: Driving down to Sonoma. We need a suggestion for a breakfast in San Francisco around 8 am and lunch in Sonoma. We have reservations at Barndiva for dinner.

Monday: SO and I are heading to Napa. I'm thinking of hitting up Bouchon Bakery for breakfast and Bouchon for lunch but open to suggestions. Not sure where to go for dinner this day.

Tuesday: The foursome is taking the tour of Long Meadow Ranch and having lunch on site. Dinner is at Bottega for my friend's 30th bday.

Wednesday: We head home this day on the red eye so we have the entire day to play. We are toying with going to Cow Girl Creamery and Hog Island Oysters on the way back into San Fran.

For lunches and breakfast I really don't want to spend more than $20 a person and less would be better. But I'm willing to spend more if it's something that's so good I just can't miss it. I will spend more for dinners, although TFL is out of my budget. Tasting menus are great but I really don't want to get dressed up except for Bottega and maybe Barndiva so nothing too fancy please.

Places I've researched after reading about them on the board that sound great to me:
Tartine Bakery - but is it hard to get in?
Gitane - definitely want to do drinks here but not sure where it is in relation to Union Square
Blackbird Bar - cocktails again
Perbacco/Barbacco - Was thinking of Barbacco for lunch but not sure if it's too similar to Perbacco.
Bar Crudo
Dottie's True Blue
Oenotri - possible for Monday dinner but not sure if that's too much Italian for one trip

Thanks in advance for your help!

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Perbacco
230 California St, San Francisco, CA 94111

Tartine Bakery
600 Guerrero St, San Francisco, CA 94110

Bouchon Bakery
6528 Washington St, Yountville, CA 94599

Bar Crudo
655 Divisadero Street, San Francisco, CA 94117

Dottie's True Blue Cafe
522 Jones St, San Francisco, CA 94102

Barndiva
231 Center St, Healdsburg, CA 95448

Gitane Restaurant & Bar
6 Claude Lane, San Francisco, CA 94108

Bottega
6525 Washington Street Suite A9, Yountville, CA 94599

Bouchon
6534 Washington Street, Yountville, CA 94599

Barbacco
230 California St, San Francisco, CA 94111

Oenotri
1425 1st St, Napa, CA 94559

Off the Grid
Fort Mason Center, San Francisco, CA 94123

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    Erincc77 Apr 1, 2011 06:58 PM

    Forgot to mention that I'll try any type of food as long as it's yummy. :)

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    1. re: Erincc77
      CarrieWas218 Apr 1, 2011 08:51 PM

      If you are interested in Hog Island Oysters, consider just getting them at the Oxbow Market in Napa instead of driving all the way out to the point -- it is an AWFUL lot of driving just for oysters and you would have the benefit of spending a little more time in Napa and enjoying its offerings.

      Monday dinner at Oenotri in Napa might be overkill on the Italian from Bottega the night before. Consider Bistro Jeanty for French, Morimoto for Japanese fusion, or even Rotisserie & Wine, Tyler Florence's place.

      The rest looks great and having breakfast and lunch at Bouchon is not a bad choice!

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      Bistro Jeanty
      6510 Washington Street, Yountville, CA 94599

      Bottega
      6525 Washington Street Suite A9, Yountville, CA 94599

      Tyler Florence Shop
      59 Throckmorton Ave, Mill Valley, CA

      Bouchon
      6534 Washington Street, Yountville, CA 94599

      Oenotri
      1425 1st St, Napa, CA 94559

      Morimoto
      610 Main Street, Napa, CA

      Rotisserie & Wine
      720 Main St, Napa, CA 94559

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        Erincc77 Apr 2, 2011 07:05 AM

        I had never heard of Rotisserie & Wine but the menu looks really good! I'm not sure my SO would be into the menu at Bistro Jeanty and Morimoto looks a bit pricey. Is it worth the cost?

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        Bistro Jeanty
        6510 Washington Street, Yountville, CA 94599

        Morimoto
        610 Main Street, Napa, CA

        Rotisserie & Wine
        720 Main St, Napa, CA 94559

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          CarrieWas218 Apr 2, 2011 07:49 PM

          I guess price is relative; all three are high-end, special occasion dining. For Morimoto, I almost recommend it for lunch with the $25 Bento Box affordable considering the dinner menu's $35+ entrees.

          I do think Bistro Jeanty is worth the money and for Rotisserie and Wine, share an entree (or skip entirely!) and order lots of sides and the potted meat platter! That is where the restaurant shines.

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          Bistro Jeanty
          6510 Washington Street, Yountville, CA 94599

          Morimoto
          610 Main Street, Napa, CA

    2. JasmineG Apr 1, 2011 09:11 PM

      So a little correction of some of your geography: Sonoma is north from San Francisco (not south). Gitane is very near Union Square, so that would be a great stop for you for cocktails and food either before or after your Alcatraz trip. Tartine Bakery has long lines, but you'll be fine getting in, it would be a good place to grab your early breakfast either before Napa or before Muir Woods, especially if you want to grab food and eat in the car (and the lines won't be long that early). Dottie's is another good idea for breakfast, as is Canteen on that Sunday (they open at 8, I think and if you get there then you'll get right in).

      I agree that you shouldn't go all the way out to Point Reyes; either get your Cowgirl/Hog Island fix at the Ferry Building or at Oxbow (only Hog lsland at the latter, both are at the former).

      I loved Boon Fly Cafe in Napa for breakfast, so that could be an idea instead of Bouchon Bakery, especially depending on which way you're coming from Sonoma, it might be literally right on your way.

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      Tartine Bakery
      600 Guerrero St, San Francisco, CA 94110

      Bouchon Bakery
      6528 Washington St, Yountville, CA 94599

      Boon Fly Cafe
      4048 Sonoma Highway, Napa, CA 94559

      Gitane Restaurant & Bar
      6 Claude Lane, San Francisco, CA 94108

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        Erincc77 Apr 2, 2011 07:12 AM

        Thanks for the breakfast recs. I will definitely try one if not all three!

        I've been trying to convince our friends to go to Hog Island and Cowgirl at the Ferry Building and now I can show them this post as proof that it's a better idea then going to the other locations.

        I just checked out Boon Fly's menu and the "Morning Libations" section caught my eye in an awesome way. This looks like a great place for breakfast. Have you been there for lunch or dinner?

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        Boon Fly Cafe
        4048 Sonoma Highway, Napa, CA 94559

        1. re: JasmineG
          Ruth Lafler Apr 2, 2011 08:42 AM

          You might want to put Fremont Diner on your list for one of your breakfast/lunches in the wine country.

          I suggest, since you have plenty of time, that you map some of the places you're interested in on google maps and get some kind of idea of the geography. I'm going to demur a little and say that if you are going to have a whole day to "play" and you like to hike, that heading out to Point Reyes for a hike and stops at Cowgirl and Hog Island might be a nice way to spend the day.

          Where are you coming from? That will give us a better idea for prioritizing places that are different from what you might have available back home.

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          Fremont Diner
          2660 Fremont Dr, Sonoma, CA

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            Erincc77 Apr 2, 2011 09:24 AM

            Yes! I saw a post about Fremont Diner last night and their pulled pork sandwich and put that on my life of places to check out. It looks wonderful.

            I will definitely map it out but the thing I'm finding difficult is that it's somewhat hard to tell distance especially in San Francisco. For example, something might be a few miles away, but it might be quick to take the BART or even a taxi. I'm not opposed to walking either within reason, say 15-20 minutes. I'm going to try to make stops in Wine Country a bit more linear though.

            I'm coming from Ft. Lauderdale so most of the places in San Francisco are going to be new to me simply because of the "farm to table" element. We do have some gems here but for the most part it's chains and places that seem to miss the mark. I'm also more apt to cook at home or hit up my favorite local places rather than branching out.

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            Fremont Diner
            2660 Fremont Dr, Sonoma, CA

            1. re: Erincc77
              Ruth Lafler Apr 2, 2011 04:02 PM

              The city of San Francisco proper is very compact, especially the parts that are of interest to visitors. The hills divide it up into distinct neighborhoods and pockets, though, and some of them are effective barriers (I have walked up and over Nob Hill, but I don't recommend it!). If you like to walk, it's a really lovely city to walk in.

              For after Muir Woods I have a couple of suggestions. You can go into Sausalito, which is touristy but still enjoyable, or you can come back into the city into the Richmond District (on your map, the area north of Golden Gate Park), which is one of my favorite parts of the city and is packed with eateries of every possible ethnicity. For something really different, maybe try Burmese food at Burma Superstar. Don't worry about your clothes: San Francisco is very casual. Bring layers: San Francisco is famous for being cool and foggy in the summer, but often warms up midday (between 11 and 4), and then the wind comes up and brings the fog back in the late afternoon. It will be warmer in the wine country.

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              Burma Superstar
              1345 Park Street, Alameda, CA

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                Erincc77 Apr 7, 2011 06:14 PM

                I'm definitely going to Burma Superstar for lunch on Friday. It looks incredible!

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                Burma Superstar
                4721 Telegraph Ave, Oakland, CA

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                  Robert Lauriston Apr 8, 2011 09:21 AM

                  Read up on Burmese food, their menu also includes Indian and Chinese dishes that are less interesting.

                  I think Little Yangon is the gold standard, in SF I prefer Larkin Express.

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                  Larkin Express Burmese Kitchen
                  452 Larkin St, San Francisco, CA 94102

                  Little Yangon
                  6318 Mission St, Daly City, CA 94014

        2. pamf Apr 1, 2011 09:31 PM

          For your Muir Woods trip, try the Dipsea Cafe for breakfast, it is right on the road to Muir Woods, just after you exit Highway 101. They are open for lunch too. But by lunch time you will have many other options. Look for some of the recent threads about Sausalito.

          http://www.dipseacafe.com/

          Sounds like you will be doing a lot of driving, a GPS unit will be your friend.

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          Dipsea Cafe
          200 Shoreline Hwy, Mill Valley, CA 94941

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            Erincc77 Apr 2, 2011 07:17 AM

            Dipsea looks great! I'm especially drawn to the homemade Gravlax. Yum!

            And I will be bringing a GPS and have one on my phone but I can get lost anywhere! I just call it an adventure and hope I get to where I need to be eventually.

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            Dipsea Cafe
            200 Shoreline Hwy, Mill Valley, CA 94941

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            Lexma90 Apr 2, 2011 07:29 AM

            It sounds like for breakfast near Union Square you're looking for a sit-down place, but if not (or not necessarily), then consider a stroll through Chinatown to pick up Chinese breakfast items. Stockton. I love to do this every time we visit San Francisco, and always end up with way more food than we can possibly eat (and for a very low price). There are restaurants you can sit down at, but I prefer to stop at several places (generally on Stockton, or on Jackson near Stockton/Grant) and pick up a variety. Some places also have coffee, just regular, not fancy espresso drinks.

            I haven't been real good at keeping track of the names of places I tend to buy items from, but I think they include Good Mong Kok Bakery, 1039 Stockton; Yong Kee, 732 Jackson; You's Dim Sum, 675 Jackson. I usually get a combination of sweet, more pastry-type items, as well as some savory things.

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            Yong Kee
            732 Jackson St, San Francisco, CA 94133

            You's Dim Sum
            937 Stockton St, San Francisco, CA 94108

            Good Mong Kok
            1039 Stockton St, San Francisco, CA

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              Erincc77 Apr 2, 2011 07:32 AM

              This is a great suggestion. I definitely don't need a sit-down place, pick up and go is fine with me too especially since it should be cool there. We are dying of heat stroke already in Florida. How long of a walk is it to Chinatown from Union Square?

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                Lexma90 Apr 2, 2011 05:24 PM

                It somewhat depends on your hotel location, but using google maps from the center of Union Square to Jackson & Stockton, it's .6 mile, about a 15-minute walk. Of course, if you find something good to eat before you reach Jackson, then it's closer. It is an uphill walk, just to warn you, but not real steep (I live in Denver, so I don't notice much the ups and downs walking around S.F.). Technically, I guess, the beginning of Chinatown that's nearest Union Square is the big gateway at the intersection of Bush and Grant (about 3 blocks from Union Square), but you have to walk a couple of blocks along Grant after that intersection to get to the food places. Generally speaking, Grant has more of the touristy junk shops, but some food, and Stockton has more of the "authentic" groceries and food places.

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                  Robert Lauriston Apr 3, 2011 10:41 AM

                  The beginning of the touristy Chinatown stretch of Grant Ave. is Bush St., three blocks from Union Square. The beginning of the non-touristy Chinatown stretch of Stockton St. is four blocks from there, at Sacramento St..

                  The sidewalk seating at Rouge et Blanc is a fun place to watch the tourist parade and they have good food.

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                  Rouge Et Blanc
                  334 Grant Ave, San Francisco, CA

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                ceekskat Apr 2, 2011 07:49 AM

                Check out Golden West for breakfast. Tiny little take out place but seating available in nearby Crocker Galleria bldg. Great food from a creative chef.
                http://theauwest.com/

                May be your SO can get her In-N-Out fix immediately upon arrival as there is an outlet right off the hwy one exit south of airport. As for bites & drinks before tour, check out happy hour at following places.....

                Colibri
                Grand Cafe, Hotel Monaco
                Farallon
                Pied Piper, Sheraton Palace (don't see it on website, but a hound JUST mentioned they have one

                )

                Gitane would be a great idea post tour as it only opens at 5:30.

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                Crocker Galleria
                360 Degree Gourmet Burrito, San Francisco, CA 94102

                Golden West
                8 Trinity Pl, San Francisco, CA 94104

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                  Erincc77 Apr 2, 2011 08:08 AM

                  Good point about Gitane. I will research the places you mentioned. There's a great likelihood I'll hit them all up eventually.

                  Have you been to Bourbon & Branch? I saw a post on this last night and it looks like a cool place. I can't get reservations until a month prior to my visit. I'm curious about the dress code, if any and if you just order drinks or is there food also?

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                  Bourbon & Branch
                  501 Jones St, San Francisco, CA

                  Gitane Restaurant & Bar
                  6 Claude Lane, San Francisco, CA 94108

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                    ceekskat Apr 4, 2011 08:07 AM

                    Have not been to Bourbon & Branch but I don't believe res. should be a problem if done in advance. From website, reservations are required for full menu dining in the "main bar" but walk-ins are welcome for cocktails in the "library"...from 6:00 p.m.

                    Edited to add: Something new I just read about...
                    http://www.dailycandy.com/all-cities/...

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                  SueL Apr 2, 2011 09:09 PM

                  for monday late dinner i would suggest Cotogna (kitchen is open until 11pm) or if you want not Italian, Katan-ya is a cozy ramen place not too far from Union, and open until 1am. and in Napa you can try Redd for dinner.

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                  Cotogna
                  490 Pacific Ave, San Francisco, CA 94133

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                    Erincc77 Apr 7, 2011 07:07 PM

                    Thanks for all your comments. I've been able to narrow it down a lot. I would like a few more suggestions for a 9ish dinner for Thursday night, either near Union Square or near the Alcatraz Pier on Bay Street.

                    Also, does anyone have a suggestions for dinners and lunch in Sonoma? I'm thinking after a long day in Napa we will want to grab dinner in Sonoma since we're staying there, rather than making the trek back to Napa.

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                    1. re: Erincc77
                      CarrieWas218 Apr 7, 2011 08:28 PM

                      Sonoma Square has some real gems; Girl and the Fig, Cafe La Haye, La Salette (Portuguese restaurant - and a favorite of mine!), Della Santina, and El Dorado Kitchen have all received great reviews and remain consistent in a cost-per-quality ratio (i.e., less expensive than Napa).

                      Come back to Sonoma square by 5:00ish and just wander around, reading menus... Enjoying the ambience and the scene and I'm sure a restaurant will pop out at you.

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                      Cafe La Haye
                      140 E Napa St, Sonoma, CA 95476

                      Della Santina's
                      133 E Napa St, Sonoma, CA 95476

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                        grayelf Apr 8, 2011 12:24 AM

                        Near Union Square, Canteen has a 9:15 sitting but I'm not sure you will be able to get there in time after the Alcatraz tour. Caveat: I'm not from SF but I can't see a place on your list that fits this place's niche of Northern California with a touch of French in a casual setting. You mention your friend is a wine rep and you are going on winery tours so be warned that Canteen's wine list is quite brief if that is a deal breaker.

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                        ceekskat Apr 7, 2011 10:54 PM

                        Are you staying in Sonoma throughout your Wine Country visit? Seems like a lot of driving as most of the places you will be visiting are within the Yountville to Calistoga region.

                        You have reservations at Barndiva on your first night in Sonoma. According to google maps, it is approx. 36 miles north of the town of Sonoma. And then you are off to Yountville & environs on Monday starting with Bouchon Bakery...23 miles. Just trying to understand your itinerary...

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                        1. re: ceekskat
                          josquared Apr 8, 2011 08:41 AM

                          This is what I was thinking re: driving

                          As someone who was at Barndiva and a whole host of Sonoma-area places just a few days ago with my GF, I can tell you we did quite a bit of driving, even though we were based in the area (I live in the Napa area, and we stayed at a B&B in the Sonoma area a couple days.)

                          Not trying to dissuade you at all (I've done rather ambitious itineraries with lots of driving) but driving to/from the Sonoma & Napa regions from/to SF on Sunday thru Tuesday can be a bit much.

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                          Barndiva
                          231 Center St, Healdsburg, CA 95448

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                            Erincc77 Apr 8, 2011 10:56 AM

                            Yes, we are staying in Sonoma Sunday - Wednesday. We had originally planned to go to Girl & the Fig on Sunday but got a recommendation from a relative that Barndiva was better. We made the new reservation without looking at the geography. I'm going to talk to my friend about changing that back to Girl & the Fig because Barndiva is almost an hour away from where we are staying.

                            On Monday we will be in Napa all day but I definitely want to find a good restaurant in Sonoma because I know I won't feel like driving half an hour back to Napa for dinner. Of the restaurants suggested by Carrie above, El Dorado Kitchen sounds best to me.

                            Tuesday at Bottega isn't negotiable as the birthday girl really, really wants to go there.

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                            Barndiva
                            231 Center St, Healdsburg, CA 95448

                            Bottega
                            6525 Washington Street Suite A9, Yountville, CA 94599

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                              Robert Lauriston Apr 8, 2011 11:18 AM

                              Are you planning to stop by your hotel between Long Meadow and Bottega? If so, that's over two and a half hours in the car, maybe more if you get behind a slow vehicle on a two-lane road.

                              Planning a vacation itinerary without taking into account that Sonoma Valley and Napa Valley are separated by the Mayacamas Mountains is a good way to spend most of your time in the car. Turn on the Terrain option in Google Maps

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                                CarrieWas218 Apr 8, 2011 11:38 AM

                                Where in Sonoma are you staying?

                                The drive from downtown Sonoma to downtown Napa is -- at best -- 20 minutes. At its worst (5:00 to 6:00 at night), 45 minutes. Don't discount the downtown Napa restaurants as viable alternatives although downtown Healdsburg is a considerably longer drive.

                                After a dinner in downtown Napa? You'll be back in Sonoma in 20 minutes. Downtown Napa restaurants worth considering include Morimoto, Rotisserie & Wine, La Toque, Grace's Table, Angele, Ubuntu, and Cole's.

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                                Ubuntu Restaurant & Yoga Studio
                                1140 Main Street, Napa, CA 94558

                                La Toque Restaurant
                                1314 McKinstry Street, Napa, CA 94559

                                Morimoto
                                610 Main Street, Napa, CA

                                Rotisserie & Wine
                                720 Main St, Napa, CA 94559

                                Grace's Table
                                1400 2nd St, Napa, CA 94559

                                1. re: CarrieWas218
                                  josquared Apr 8, 2011 12:40 PM

                                  Normally I'd say an hour drive isn't that bad (Sonoma to Healdsburg), but considering you're also going to be driving from SF to Sonoma (which depending on traffic could be equally if not more lengthy time-wise) that same day, you indeed might be better off sticking to something closer to your temporary homestead in Sonoma (like Girl & The Fig)

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                                  The Girl & The Fig
                                  110 West Spain, Sonoma, CA 95442

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                                    CarrieWas218 Apr 8, 2011 01:03 PM

                                    Josquared - just to clarify, I was referring to her wanting to get back to Sonoma from Napa for dinner. I think if she is spending the day tasting in Sonoma, right when tasting rooms close, the traffic to Sonoma gets busy.

                                    The OP is better off dining in downtown Napa, giving her a 20-minute-or-so drive back after dinner.

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                                      Robert Lauriston Apr 8, 2011 01:53 PM

                                      Why schlep over to Napa at all? It's not like there's a shortage of good places to eat in Sonoma, which is nicer than the relatively charmless city of Napa (which is on the way to but not really in the wine country that made Napa Valley world-famous).

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                                        Erincc77 Apr 8, 2011 02:03 PM

                                        We're doing tours and tastings in Napa Monday and Tuesday. Sunday is Sonoma. Originally I was thinking it would be best to have dinners near where we are staying in Sonoma so we could freshen up before dinner but Carrie is making me think it would be better to just get dinner right after the tastings in Napa and not worry about being too pretty at the restaurant.

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                                        Erincc77 Apr 8, 2011 01:55 PM

                                        You've got a really good point about not going all the way back to Sonoma until after dinner. If we've been trekking around different wineries all day and probably not dressed in clothes that are that nice compared to what we would wear if we went back and showered and changed would we look like slobs compared to everyone else in the restaurants you mentioned? I'm really glad we have 2 more months to plan this and make reservations. This is definitely one of the more challenging trips I've planned.

                                        We are staying at Arrowood Winery in Sonoma. The drive to Barndiva per Google Maps is around 50 mins and to Bottega is 30 so I'm definitely thinking we should stay in Sonoma Sunday and maybe doing an earlier dinner in Napa Monday after the last tasting.

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                                        Barndiva
                                        231 Center St, Healdsburg, CA 95448

                                        Bottega
                                        6525 Washington Street Suite A9, Yountville, CA 94599

                                        1. re: Erincc77
                                          CarrieWas218 Apr 8, 2011 02:11 PM

                                          Trust me, Erincc -- Napa restaurants are used to how people are dressed after a day of tasting. There is very little need to dress up in this incredibly casual town.

                                          The exceptions are those "special occasion" meals at places like Meadowood or Etoile or French Laundry... But everywhere else? You'll fit right in wearing casual clothes.

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                                          The French Laundry
                                          6640 Washington Street, Yountville, CA 94599

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                                            Erincc77 Apr 8, 2011 02:28 PM

                                            Awesome. I prefer casual anyway as my SO and I aren't really "fancy" people. Our traveling companions are a little more fussy though but I'm thinking that after a long day of driving and wine tastings they might be tired enough to not care too much about their hair and makeup.

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                                          josquared Apr 8, 2011 05:47 PM

                                          LOL - and just to clarify, I was just strictly referring to the Sunday part of the trip.

                                          Seeing as the OP is staying in Glen Ellen and not Sonoma itself, that actually makes the Barndiva trip a lot more doable for the evening, if that's still the desire (I stayed at a place that was roughly only 10 min closer up Hwy 12 a bit)

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                                            Robert Lauriston Apr 8, 2011 05:51 PM

                                            Glen Ellen to Barndiva is still an hour and a half round trip, or more if the traffic is backed up in Santa Rosa.

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                                            Barndiva
                                            231 Center St, Healdsburg, CA 95448

                                            1. re: Robert Lauriston
                                              josquared Apr 8, 2011 06:21 PM

                                              True - I wish I knew what the traffic patterns were in Santa Rosa during the weekend.

                                              We thought we would have to contend with a ton of traffic getting there from where we were at the edge of Santa Rosa during the latter half of the Friday commute and were surprised how fast we got to Healdsburg (and that included a stop to get some gas in the car.)

                                              I admit I'm one prone to epic driving stints (before going to Barndiva, we went to the Pt. Reyes Lighthouse and Drakes Beach and back to our B&B) but considering how much driving they're going to have to do the first part of the day and the rest of the trip, I'd lean to something a lot closer.

                                              1. re: josquared
                                                Robert Lauriston Apr 8, 2011 08:03 PM

                                                101 through Santa Rosa gets a lot of local traffic and on the weekend backs up at what seem to me pretty random times.

                                                I've spent a fair amount of time in the Glen Ellen area, and unless I was there for maybe a week I see no good reason to drive west, east, north past Kenwood, or south past Sonoma. There's plenty to eat, drink, and see right in the immediate area.

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                                                  Erincc77 Apr 9, 2011 06:11 AM

                                                  So what do you recommend for restaurants in Glen Ellen?

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                                                    Robert Lauriston Apr 9, 2011 11:05 AM

                                                    Last time we were in the area we had lunch at Fremont Diner, LaSalette, and the Mexican place across from El Molino Central (which was too busy), and dinner three nights in a row at Vineyards Inn.

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                                                    LaSalette
                                                    452 First Street East, Suite H, Sonoma, CA 95476

                                                    Fremont Diner
                                                    2660 Fremont Dr, Sonoma, CA

                                                    Vineyards Inn
                                                    8445 Sonoma Hwy, Kenwood, CA 95452

                                                    El Molino Central
                                                    11 Central Avenue, Boyes Hot Springs, CA 95476

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                                                  Erincc77 Apr 9, 2011 06:17 AM

                                                  I completely agree about staying closer. We're going to be so tired by the end of the day I highly doubt we will want to drive an hour each way for dinner. This thread has been truly educational.

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                                                    celeryroot Apr 9, 2011 07:10 AM

                                                    There is no problem with traffic over weekends in Santa Rosa ,infact rarely ever was. It is alot less a problem during the week rush hour then it was a few years ago because construction is mostly complete for now. It takes me 15 min most times to get from Healdsburg to Santa Rosa on 101, 20 to 25 during week rush hour.

                                  2. Robert Lauriston Apr 8, 2011 02:19 PM

                                    Arrowood is actually in Glen Ellen, which is ten minutes (or more, when the two-lane road is backed up) north of downtown Sonoma. That puts you close to the winding road over the mountains to Oakville but farther from the city of Napa.

                                    Given where you're staying, you should really consider having dinner at Vineyards Inn one night.

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                                    Vineyards Inn
                                    8445 Sonoma Hwy, Kenwood, CA 95452

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                                      Erincc77 Apr 8, 2011 02:31 PM

                                      Tapas and cocktails! My fave! This place looks wonderful. Thanks for the rec.

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                                        stevenmargolis Apr 11, 2011 09:17 AM

                                        Or the Fig Cafe, also in Glen Ellen. No corkage. Also, no reservations (I think).

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                                        mick Apr 10, 2011 08:29 PM

                                        After Muir Woods lunch at Pelican Inn for pub grub>

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                                        Pelican Inn
                                        10 Pacific Way, Muir Beach, CA 94965

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