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MartyB Apr 1, 2011 06:34 AM

Starting my pesach cleaning/shopping I noticed that I have Matzos (Yehudah), Cake Meal, Matzo Meal, Matzo farfel, Potato starch, Matzo Ball soup mix and Brownie cake mix from last year. Would they still be good?

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  1. berel RE: MartyB Apr 1, 2011 06:42 AM

    they should still be good. I still have a sealed box of 18 minute matzah from last year, FIFO, first in first out.

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      MartyB RE: berel Apr 1, 2011 07:01 AM

      I have a co-worker of mine who is still munching on his last years shmurah matzo!

      Anyone know if any store in the 5 towns carries Charedim shmurah matzo? I asked Gourmet and they said they don't carry it. I hate to have to shlep to Boro Park just for this one item (but I will if I can't get it here - it is that good!).

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        berel RE: MartyB Apr 1, 2011 07:13 AM

        I bought the Charedim matzah by Supersol last year, but it was expensive. I just went with the shatzer hand this year 2 lbs whole matzah @41 and 2 lbs broken @$34

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          koshergourmetmart RE: berel Apr 1, 2011 08:48 AM

          rabbis do not suggest saving matza and matza products year to year b/c there is a chance they can go chametzy-being kept in a damp area etc

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            berel RE: koshergourmetmart Apr 1, 2011 09:00 AM

            I eat gebrokts

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              queenscook RE: koshergourmetmart Apr 1, 2011 02:20 PM

              Matzah can never become chametz. If you avoid gebrokts, it could be a problem for that reason, but it's totally incorrect to say it can become chametz.

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        AdinaA RE: MartyB Apr 1, 2011 08:52 AM

        All of them will be fine. They're all made form cardboard, after all.

        Seriously, the sole spoilage risk in one year with all of these is moisture absorption. If you keep these things form one year to the next, do it in a high end (freezer) ziploc bag. They sell giant ones for clothing storage that are big enough for a box of Charedim matzah shmurah. Given the price, I regularly save leftover boxes for the next year.

        I also have friends who have a family custom of hiding a piece of matzah behind an oil painting during the seder and eating the one left there from the year before with the afikomen. The last seder before the war, a child fell asleep and they couldn't find the matzah he had hidden. They found it while cleaning for Passover the next year. When it was the only matzah available in that town.

        Miracles can come in matzah sized pieces.

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          websterhall1994 RE: MartyB Apr 1, 2011 08:56 AM

          The cake mixes usually have a "Best By" date stamped on them. The ones I saved from last year are still good. Also, tuna cans have a use by date. All the matzoh by-products are fine if stored in a Ziploc. All they are is flour and water- nothing that can go bad!

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            ferret RE: websterhall1994 Apr 1, 2011 09:02 AM

            "All they are is flour and water- nothing that can go bad!"

            I take it you've never eaten a stale cracker?

          2. queenscook RE: MartyB Apr 1, 2011 02:16 PM

            Re: Would they still be good?

            Safe--yes.
            Good--debatable!!

            OK, kidding (only somewhat). In reality, I keep this stuff from year to year. I don't buy cake mixes or matzo ball soup mix (what's in it other than matzo meal anyway?), but I've definitely used all those other things year after year; I just keep them separate of my chametz food.

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              sharonlouk RE: MartyB Apr 1, 2011 06:07 PM

              I just made matzo balls from a mix that I bought on clearance last Pesach, and it tasted just fine to me!

              1. GraceW RE: MartyB Apr 2, 2011 09:30 PM

                I have used 'sealed' Matzos before--that was leftover from the last year--and it was absolutely fine.

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                  MartyB RE: GraceW Apr 3, 2011 04:47 AM

                  I have been eating the Pesach Yehuda matzos all year long. Crispy and tasty as when I bought them. I stock up on them on Pesach for the prices can't be beat. Another reason is that they are hard to find throughout the year - lots of Manischewitz matzos - but not the Yehuda.

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                  The Cameraman RE: MartyB Apr 3, 2011 07:36 AM

                  Assuming you eat gebrokts and it's been well sealed, they'll be fine. The taste might be a bit off, but they'll be fine.

                  If they haven't been well sealed, there is a non-zero chance bugs may have gotten in. Freeze the matzah meal and then sift it.

                  If you eat gebrokts... then you wouldn't be using matzah meal.

                  Machine matzah lasts for about 18 months, in my experience, assuming the plastic is still on.

                  1. bagelman01 RE: MartyB Apr 4, 2011 01:16 PM

                    Marty,
                    CFor many years we have shopped the after Pesach mark downs for next Pesach. This past year we bought cases of gefen Canned Pineapple for 20 cents a can. I buy a year's worth of natural applesauce after Pesdach, no HFCS that way. We have a Pesach pantry and keep am inventory list. Most canned goods are good for at least three years. Boxed goods are generally good for the next year. We don't save oli or spices. Oil can get cloudy and spices lose potency.

                    This year Stop and Shop has run 'Free 5 lb Yehuda Matzo w/$25 purchase' coupons a few times. I've gotten more than 50 lbs free. Half go for charity, some gets used during Pesach Chol HaMoed, and the rest gets put away. It might be there until next Pesach or get used up during the year.

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                      MartyB RE: bagelman01 Apr 4, 2011 01:38 PM

                      Nice planning! I started two years ago by keeping a spreadsheet of what I bought, and how much it cost because I noticed I was buying way too much and had lots of stuff at the end of pesach that I didn't even open!

                      First thing I do is to go through my kitchen looking for anything unopened that was K4P. I then check those items off my spreadsheet. I then collect all the local ads see if any spreadsheet items is on sale and mark off which store has it cheapest. Thus I build up my shopping list.

                      I don't go too crazy, I limit myself to Costco, Brachs, Gourmet Glatt, Seasons (Supersol - only for meats) and Key Food.

                      ... and most important - I say to myself (many times) - "It is only one week" - very important since one can get carried away - and after all, it really is only one week!

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                        AdinaA RE: MartyB Apr 4, 2011 02:12 PM

                        Good advice. And, if we're talking about thrift, the best way to avoid getting soaked on Pesach is to say in the dry lane as you cross the Red Sea, and avoid the special Pesach products as much as possible. Instead of buying Pesach "versions" of anything shop the vegetable section. Use olive oil and lemon juice instead of special Pesach oils and overpriced Pesach salad dressings. For dessert, think baked apples, flourless chocolate torte, or a baked meringue shell filled with a lemon curd. Explore all the tubers and starches you haven't met before (serve a chicken stew involving fruit over plantains mashed with a splash of orange juice.) Be creative with potatoes. A good cook really can avoid almost all of the expensive Pesach foods.

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                          bagelman01 RE: MartyB Apr 5, 2011 05:22 AM

                          It's only one week is the key.

                          Years ago, I was Pesach shopping with my first (and now ex) wife. And she kept piling things into the shopping cart. When she had picked the 12th package of cheese, I blew my stack. What do we need 12 packages of Pesach cheese for? We're 2 people, no kids, go to the in-laws for the first days and my parents for the last days?

                          Her reply>>>I don't know what I might be in the mood for.

                          I quickly jettisoned the extra groceries and not soon enough jettisoned the wife. I took out a pad and made a menu and we shopped for it.

                          But certain items were kept year to year, the contents were expensive and don't go bad. I probably have my box of KLP Sweet and Low for 8 years, maybe 2-3 packets get used by guests each year. We only buy Domino sugar packets, as they're always KLP.

                          The biggest trick is not to raid the Pesach pantry in the off season when we feel lazy. But it did come in handy during the Feb ice/snow storms.

                          Lastly, Empire frozen whole poultry (Frozen by Empire) has a freezer life of 24 months. So I stock the freezer all year with bargains as I find them for Pesach and other use.

                          Last Thanksgiving Time, I was visiting my sister in a small city in North central Massachusetts and went into a Shaw's supermarket. They had a big freezer case full of Empire turkeys, turkey breasts and 5 lb roasting chickens at 99 cents per pound. I brought home a trunk full and stocked the downstairs freezer. So, I'll need to buy some beef for Pesach, but have poultry for this Pesach and next................

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                        asf78 RE: MartyB Apr 4, 2011 02:04 PM

                        USDA has a food safety website with a question service called Ask Karen: http://www.fsis.usda.gov/food_safety_...

                        We had some old food and described what it was; "Karen" responded within 24-48 hours and with a sense of humor. We learned that certain foods could last several years beyond the expiration without causing food poisoning, but that flavor might be affected. Instead of speculating, why not try this? Just offer a few specifics with your question (e.g., kept sealed or not? Approximate sell by or use by date, etc.).

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                          AdinaA RE: asf78 Apr 4, 2011 04:22 PM

                          Matzo, matzo meal and potato starch are not matters of speculation. Nothing happens to them if kept for a year.

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                            asf78 RE: AdinaA Apr 4, 2011 05:18 PM

                            I never said they were. I was offering a resource for a variety of items that people might have, and responding to the more general question of whether food items may still be good after a year. After all, the thread title is "Still good after a year?" Anyone coming to read the thread might be interested in a general resource.

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                              AdinaA RE: asf78 Apr 4, 2011 05:52 PM

                              Sorry.

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