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Cobbler - batter on top or below the fruits?

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flzhang Mar 27, 2011 12:45 AM

I noticed that cook's illustrated lists two types of "cobbler" recipes--batter style and cookie dough style. One where you melt butter in a pan and put batter on top, with the fruits on top of that (batter style). The other type involves putting the fruit first, often heating it in the oven, and then layering the batter on top (cookie dough style). The latter also uses eggs and a higher butter to flour ratio)

Which one do you prefer? Batter at the bottom or on top?

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    edwardspk Mar 27, 2011 08:03 AM

    Both are good, but I prefer the batter on the bottom. It produces and nice, sweet chewy crust that is slightly flavored by the fruit. It also is faster and easier to put together - no dough rolling!

    1. todao Mar 27, 2011 08:17 AM

      I prefer the batter on top. The crunch of the browned top, along with the softer texture of the baked topping, contrast nicely with the soft sweet fruit and a dollop of whipped cream takes it to heaven.

      1. TrishUntrapped Mar 27, 2011 08:28 AM

        Being from New England where fruit cobblers, crisps, and such are bountiful, I believe the word "cobbler" refers to the cobblestone-like appearance of the dough spooned on top of the fruits. So fruit on the bottom, dough on the top is more traditional.

        That said, what you prefer is a matter of personal taste. Whatever works. My preference is the traditional way.

        This Web site contains some nice explanations:
        http://www.ochef.com/372.htm

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        1. re: TrishUntrapped
          paulj Mar 27, 2011 09:40 AM

          That ochef link is a nice summary of names.
          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/536486
          is another thread from a couple of years ago about the variety of names and forms

        2. Uncle Bob Mar 27, 2011 09:24 AM

          Neither ~~ Layered fruit and pastry dough...Fruit, a layer (strips) of slightly browned dough, fruit, repeat two to three times....Lattice on top...

          Fun & Enjoy!

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          1. re: Uncle Bob
            greygarious Mar 27, 2011 11:20 AM

            Sounds like more of a pandowdy than what most people think of as cobbler, which can be biscuit, pie dough, or cookie-dough topped, or made with a fruit-topped batter.

            In case the OP is looking at the original CI batter recipe, which is wrong: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/611278

            1. re: greygarious
              Uncle Bob Mar 27, 2011 12:59 PM

              According to this definition, and others http://www.answers.com/topic/pandowdy a "Pandowdy" it is Not!!! ~~~ I watched many times as my grandmother made Huckleberry Cobbler using this method. ~ Fruit on the bottom. then a layer of pastry dough cut into strips and randomly placed on top of the fruit....this was placed in the oven until the dough was browned.. the layering was repeated as many times as needed...mostly twice, sometimes three times depending on the size cobbler she was making. The top layer of dough was always latticed...She learned this method from her Grandmother, as well as her MIL..I have never seen (in cookbooks, internet, etc) or heard of this method outside of my very extended family, nor several other families in this region...For us...Cobbler it is!!

              Fun!

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                danna Mar 28, 2011 12:10 PM

                I've never hears of that, but it sounds fanstastic!! Your grandmother obviously put a lot of thought and work into her cobbler. Getting that extra browning on the each layer of crust must really amp up the flavor. What sort of dough did she make?

                And while I continue to drool on your post...Are huckleberries the long-ish berries that grow in actual trees rather than bushes? I had a berry for the first time this summer and could not believe how delicious it was. they were falling out of a huge tree into the bed of our truck, and after I got through eating the ones that fell in there, I started picking them up from the parking lot and blowing off the gravel dust prior to eating ;-) My husband said he thought it was a huckleberry.

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                  greygarious Mar 28, 2011 12:21 PM

                  I don't know what huckleberries look like, but mulberries grow on tree-like bushes. They are dark blue-purple-back, from half to an inch long, and rather narrow - probably half as wide as they are long.

                  1. re: greygarious
                    paulj Mar 28, 2011 01:34 PM

                    Huckleberries, at least in western states, are a variety of wild blueberry (Vaccinium parvifolium) (but not all blue). There may be other local usages for the name.

                    1. re: greygarious
                      danna Mar 29, 2011 05:51 AM

                      hummm....these berries were falling from a huge tree big enough to have been an oak. western NC.

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                      Uncle Bob Mar 31, 2011 06:18 PM

                      Dough is basically a scratch pie crust. ~~ Mulberries grow on trees...some big enough to climb ~~ Huckleberries grow on bushes ~~ You were parked under a mulberry tree.

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                      mandycat Mar 31, 2011 07:55 PM

                      I've had a recipe for years, of unknown provenance, called "Crusty Peach Cobbler" that uses this exact technique. I like it because you wind up with lots of flaky crust instead of a sometimes soggy bottom crust, especially when using high-liquid fruits like peaches. Some people would probably identify the final product as a deep dish pie rather than a cobbler but no matter what you call it, it's good.

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                        Wtg2Retire Apr 1, 2011 08:46 AM

                        mandycat, would you mind posting your recipe, please. My paternal grandmother always made her cobblers like this and they were absolutely delicious.; but she was so intimidating, I never thought of asking for her recipe.

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                          mandycat Apr 1, 2011 11:15 AM

                          Crusty Peach Cobbler

                          The recipe calls for a lightly buttered 8-inch square pan. I use a round 1.5 quart glass casserole dish. One of these days I mean to try this as a savory dish with a chicken pot pie filling. I guess I'll have to call it a pie then; no one is going to come a-running for "Chicken Cobbler."

                          About 8 cups sliced fresh peaches
                          2 cups sugar
                          2 to 4 tablespoons all-purpose flour (depending on how juicy peaches are)
                          one-half teaspoon ground nutmeg
                          one teaspoon vanilla extract
                          one-third cup butter or margarine
                          Pastry for double-crust pie

                          Combine peaches, sugar, flour, and nutmeg in a Dutch oven; set aside until syrup foams.

                          Bring peach mixture to a boil; reduce heat to low, and cook until tender. (I like my fruit pies al dente, so I cook the peaches less than five minutes.)

                          Remove from heat; add vanilla and butter, stirring until butter melts.

                          Roll out one half of pastry on lightly floured surface into a 1/8 inch thick round.

                          Spoon one half of fruit mixture into casserole and top with the pastry round. Bake at 475 for 12 minutes or until lightly browned. Spoon remaining fruit over pastry.

                          Roll remaining pastry to 1/8 inch thickness and cut into one-inch strips. Arrange on top of fruit in lattice pattern and bake another 15-18 minutes or until browned.

                          Serve in bowls. Good with vanilla ice cream. (But you knew that already.)

                          1. re: mandycat
                            Wtg2Retire Apr 1, 2011 01:06 PM

                            Thank you so very much. Can hardly wait to try this.

                2. sunshine842 Mar 27, 2011 09:47 AM

                  I have never heard of a cobbler with the crust on the bottom...or in the middle.

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                  1. re: sunshine842
                    paulj Mar 27, 2011 09:56 AM

                    The 1997 Joy of Cooking has a chapter on American Fruit Desserts. It says cobblers are usually made with the fruit on the bottom, but sometimes with fruit on top. All others have fruit on the bottom (grunts, crisps, etc).

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                      sunshine842 Mar 27, 2011 12:23 PM

                      I kinda figure that by the time you take a bite, it doesn't really matter much....I'll keep making mine with the crumbs on the top because that's how I've always made them, and I like the look of a golden crumb or crust...but if someone wants it upside down...<shrug>

                  2. ipsedixit Mar 27, 2011 11:38 AM

                    Top.

                    But now that you've mentioned it, why not have it both? Like a McDonald's Apple Pie, but in a baking dish ...

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                      lemons Mar 27, 2011 01:04 PM

                      Well, this is quite a bag of worms we've opened here. This batter type of cobbler was pretty much not seen locally until some restaurants started with it 20 years ago or so. In the part of rural/small town where I grew up there was only pastry crust for cobblers, and in our family, there was a top and bottom crust. Basically, they were square, deep-dish pies.

                      Blackberry for me, please, for my July birthday. I can have chocolate souffles any time.

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                        TrishUntrapped Mar 27, 2011 01:10 PM

                        I've made my share of Black and Blue Cobblers - half blackberry and half blueberry. I grow the blackberries, my mother in law grows the blueberries.

                        1. re: lemons
                          danna Mar 28, 2011 12:05 PM

                          My family too. Bottom and top crust, made from more-or-less pie crust.

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                            MellieMag Mar 31, 2011 08:51 PM

                            We do both a top and bottom crust. It's just that with a cobbler the crust doesn't have to be pretty or neat, just toss it in there, the berries will juice up and bubble up all over anyway. My sister makes a top crust, then beats it up into the berries and places another top crust on it. I had always heard it was called "cobbler" because you could 'cobble' it up,put a big amount of pie together in a hurry. I like the blackberry best myself. My son preferred wild raspberry cobbler, not terribly sweet, so he could pile hard sauce on it.

                        2. mamachef Mar 31, 2011 06:23 PM

                          I like it on top. : )

                          1. alkapal Apr 1, 2011 02:08 AM

                            my mama's cobbler (pear) is made with the batter method, where the crust "rises and forms" on the top. i love the crust on top, its chewy goodness and golden corners. even when my mom had stopped cooking, she still would find pride in making her cobblers. they were so deliciious warm from the oven with vanilla ice cream. even reheated in the micro, its fruity goodness was still delicious -- as the crust got a little firmer and chewier.

                            mom's recipe is so simple: http://www.chow.com/recipes/13522-geo...

                            you can make it right now. ;-).

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                            1. re: alkapal
                              paulj Apr 1, 2011 07:56 AM

                              I've seen dutch oven (camp baking) recipes that use a box of cake mix, and a can of peaches with the juice. Some even specify a can of lemon/lime soda as the liquid.

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                                sunshine842 Apr 1, 2011 08:11 AM

                                this is totally unglamorous, but Oh. Man. It's. Good.

                                http://thepioneerwoman.com/cooking/20...

                                I was taught to use 2 cans of pie filling, but same difference, basically.

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                                  chowser Apr 1, 2011 09:01 AM

                                  I've had those. They're about as overly sweet as you think it would be. It's my friend's specialty and I can just barely get down a small piece w/ a big cup of coffee. She calls it dump cake.

                                  OTOH, I've done versions of alkapal's, with fresh fruit, and love it. It doesn't take more time than the dump cake, except I peel my peaches.

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                                  puzzler Apr 6, 2011 03:56 PM

                                  Big thumbs up on Alkapal's mom's recipe!!! My all-time favorite with any type of fruit, easy, easy, easy.

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                                    alkapal Apr 6, 2011 04:04 PM

                                    aww, thank you puzzler! that's very kind of you. sounds like you've made it many times. i could use some right now.

                                3. visciole Apr 1, 2011 09:26 AM

                                  I also like it on top, but I think I'd eat it either way ;)

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                                  1. re: visciole
                                    sunshine842 Apr 1, 2011 01:48 PM

                                    and truth be told -- I like it on top, too, but the reality is that somewhere along the way, somebody bobbles the spatula and it ends up under everything else.

                                    (we are still talking about cobbler, right?) O.o

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                                    bavila Apr 6, 2011 03:10 PM

                                    Funny this discussion popped up just as I was baking this (http://0333cd9.netsolhost.com/WordPre...). Top. All the way. And to me, cobbler is about the batter.

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                                    1. re: bavila
                                      alkapal Apr 6, 2011 03:24 PM

                                      milk in a mason jar tastes good with hot cobbler. ;-). especially if the milk is really cold!

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                                      HillJ Apr 6, 2011 08:12 PM

                                      Crumble top & bottom with really gooey fruit in between!
                                      Just made a pear and pineapple crumble this way.

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