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blanford Mar 23, 2011 01:11 PM

Will be in Dallas in a few weeks. I loved York Street so much and was sad to see it closed. Can anyone recommend another place. I have been to Abacus, Fearings and Stephen Pyles and enjoyed them though not as much as York Street. Would love some suggestions of other places to try.

  1. twinwillow Mar 27, 2011 03:19 PM

    Breaking news: Just received an email from York Street's email address that Rene' Peters will be taking over the space formally occupied by York Street.
    http://www.watels.com/

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      strong95 Mar 28, 2011 06:25 AM

      I got this e-mail as well -- anybody been there yet? I haven't been to previous location...

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      demigodh Mar 24, 2011 09:39 AM

      only because Lucia has been recommended so many times, I have to say that I prefer Nonna. It might not be fair because i've only been to each restaurant once but I had a better meal at Nonna, specifically a stuffed chicken dish that was out of this world. Might be an easier reservation to get as well.

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        twinwillow Mar 24, 2011 02:05 PM

        I love Nonna. I've been there many times. I'll be able to make my own comparisons soon because we have reservations at Lucia at the end of this month. But everyone I know who's been to Lucia raves about it and says it's an "incomparable experience".

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          gavlist Mar 24, 2011 02:38 PM

          I've been to both a number of times. I like Lucia a lot, and I think I prefer it to Nonna. But it's not dramatically better, if at all. I've had some really good dishes at Nonna, and some things at Lucia that were just ok. They also have very different styles and atmosphere. I haven't seen anything like liver or tripe or uni at Nonna - Uygur seems a bit more adventurous in that regard. Lucia seems to have more focus on using seasonal ingredients. And Nonna has that wood-fired oven, which is occasionally used to great effect. Both are loud and tightly packed with tables and diners - but it's a different crowd with different behavior. Nonna seems to be striving for a more polished atmosphere, whereas Lucia wants to be more informal. I'd say it's a tough call as to which is better - more a matter of preference.

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            demigodh Mar 24, 2011 04:00 PM

            I agree with all of that. And in re-reading my original post, I should probably clarify that I enjoyed both of them and that there isn't a large difference (in quality) between the two. Blanford, you'd be happy at either of them if you want Italian or simply quality food.

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          Mike C. Miller Mar 24, 2011 04:34 PM

          Lucia v. Nonna!! Now there's a topic worthy of debate. I think you could eat three day of a given week at each and come up with a different answer each night. And it might also depend on your fondness for certain dishes or what you ordered on a given night. Both are very good.

          But I, like gavlist, kind of tend to lean toward Lucia because the kitchen seems to be a bit more adventurous. And while I've had dishes at both places that were very good, and had dishes at both places that sort of misses (but never one that was bad), I've never had one at Nonna that just blew me away. I've had one or two a Lucia that did that. And I am quite fond of the homemade salumi at Lucia, too.

          Oddly enough, I rather prefer the wine list at Nonna just a tad bit because it is more traditionally Italian, whereas Lucia's is more eclectic. I like a bit of eccentricity and adventurousness in the kitchen. And I don't mind it on the wine list, but I do like a nice inventory of more traditional wines to fall back on. Probably because I am more comfortable matching dishes because I'm more familiar with the wines.

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            gavlist Mar 24, 2011 05:13 PM

            I have had both a bad dish at Nonna, and a couple that blew me away in various ways.

            The bad: pappardelle with mushrooms (con funghi, whatever). Noodle quality was good, of course, and the mushrooms were great - but the sauce was too "tight". About 1/3 of the way into the dish the sauce was completely absorbed by the pasta and all of the noodles stuck together. I had this twice, separated by several weeks, and it was the same both times. Unsatisfying.

            The blown away: I really really used to love their lobster ravioli, but I think it's changed - at least the one that I've eaten more recently wasn't the same and wasn't as good (but it was ok). In the first version they served, the sauce was basically nothing more than a reduction of lobster stock. It was cooked down until just viscous enough to coat the pasta, but still a little brothy and packed with intense lobster flavor. It was incredible. Maybe a little too salty, but that wasn't enough to prevent me from eating it (either from my plate or someone else's) the next 3 times I went.

            Also, now that I think of it, I had a bite of eggplant parmiggiano one time that was pretty stunning. It was quite simple, as you'd imagine, but the smokiness of the wood oven made it really delicious. Perhaps not the best thing I've ever eaten, but definitely the best version of this dish I've had.

            oh - and this might seem trivial, but I went once to their Friday lunch and the potato chips were amazing! Fried to a pretty deep brown (so lots of flavor), and crispy with just enough thickness to give a slight chew. Very nice.

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              blanford Mar 25, 2011 05:24 AM

              This has all been very helpful. I guess I will try Nonna because Lucia is booked next Thursday. What does everyone think of Ross street and Local that were mentioned earlier?

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                gavlist Mar 25, 2011 06:56 AM

                There is no "Ross Street" restaurant... twinwillow was saying that Stephan Pyles (where you've already eaten) is on Ross. Local always disappointed me (as a result I haven't been in a couple of years). The food tastes pretty good, but never seems interesting enough to justify the cost, and frankly not all that far beyond what you could make at home. I believe that others would disagree though - it seems to be pretty highly regarded.

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                1807 Ross Suite 200, Dallas, TX 75201

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                  luniz Mar 25, 2011 07:12 AM

                  Local is not in the same league as York St. by any stretch of the imagination. It is a nice place and the food is ok and occasionally great but not particularly adventurous.

                  I feel like there is some place people are forgetting. Tei An can be pretty good.

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                  York St
                  6047 Lewis St, Dallas, TX 75206

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                    the_sneeb Mar 25, 2011 12:12 PM

                    +1

                  2. re: blanford
                    twinwillow Mar 25, 2011 11:22 AM

                    I think you'll enjoy Nonna very much. I certainly hope so. Their home made salumi is quite good. Personally, I'm addicted to their clam pizza. It is very popular with the local crowd so I'd try and book as soon as possible.
                    http://www.nonnadallas.com

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                      Mike C. Miller Mar 25, 2011 04:19 PM

                      Between Stephen Pyles and Local, I'd pick Local. Stephen Pyles has a much wider menu, and that may be part of the problem. The ceviches are all at least fair, but none really stand out. Bone in Cowboy Rib Steak is still very good, but up and down the menu can be hit or miss, though I've never had anything that was bad. But some are not to my taste.

                      Local, on the other hand, isn't as ambitious, by and large, but has a much smaller and more focused menu. What they do, they do well, although rarely spectacularly. Plus, while the wine list is smaller at Local, I think it's better selected.

                      Both restaurants can be a bit loud for my taste, but again, I have a slight preference for the atmosphere at Local. In terms of service, I've never had bad service at Pyles, but I've found the style and warmth of the service at Local more to my liking.

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                kohl1979 Mar 23, 2011 06:51 PM

                You should try either Local in Deep Ellum or Salum in the Knox-Henerson area. Both are going to have great ambiance and pretty amazing food!

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                Salum Restaurant
                4152 Cole Ave Ste 103, Dallas, TX 75204

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                  Mike C. Miller Mar 23, 2011 04:01 PM

                  Lucia is an excellent bet. Very good, albeit hard to get a reservation.

                  I also think that the skill level in the kitchen at Bijoux is at least on par with that at York Street. Perhaps a tad less reliance on local ingredients, but than can vary from menu to menu. The atmosphere is also a bit more dressy than York Street was, but I've dined there many times in blue jeans and a sports coat (and occasionally in blue jeans without the sports coat). A bit more overt French technique and influence at Bijoux, too, but whether that's a good thing or not is very much a matter of taste. But I think Bijoux could go toe to toe with York Street on most any night.

                  1. twinwillow Mar 23, 2011 02:29 PM

                    I can't believe I forgot. We have a new restaurant in Dallas (Oak Cliff) that recently opened and received 5 stars from the DMN. Their food is incredible! They're the hottest dining ticket in town!
                    Lucia. Book ASAP as they're very popular.
                    http://www.luciadallas.com

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                      blanford Mar 23, 2011 02:41 PM

                      I was so excited about this place but they are full so am on a wait list. I ate at Lola when I move my son into his dorm right before it closed. Is this the same chef? I have eaten at Pyle's restaurant as well as Fearing and Abacus. I have also been to Hibiscus and restaurant at The Mansion. I guess I could try Ross Street. What do you think about Nana or The French Room?

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                        sass Mar 23, 2011 03:12 PM

                        You can't go wrong with either Nana or The French Room. Two of the best Dallas has to offer.

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                          twinwillow Mar 23, 2011 04:02 PM

                          Yes. David Uygur, the chef/owner of Lucia was also the chef at Lola. Both he and his lovely wife run Lucia.

                      2. twinwillow Mar 23, 2011 02:15 PM

                        IMHO, York Street was in a class all of it's own. However, I think you might enjoy Stephan Pyles on Ross Street in downtown Dallas.
                        http://www.stephanpyles.com

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                        Stephan Pyles
                        1807 Ross Suite 200, Dallas, TX 75201

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