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Tender, Juicy and Crisp? Roast Chicken Battle - Melisse, Costco, Pollo Ala Brasa, Rustic Canyon, Zankou, A Frame, Gjelina, Marouch, Lola's, and more! [Review] w/ Pics!

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(Formatted with all Pictures here:
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"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
(George Santayana, The Life of Reason)

As I look back at the events that have transpired that have led me to this point, I can only close my eyes and weep bitter tears of sorrow. This is the final account of yet another utterly stupid and foolish journey in search of a great dish, this time, the perfect Roast Chicken. Surely my friends and I had learned our lessons from the last Gourmet Burger Battle? How did it end up like this?

[Some Time Ago...]

Months had gone by since the day of utter lunacy and stupidity known as the Gourmet Burger Battle. I managed to reconnect with "lost" friends, and pretty soon we were able to broach the subject of Food again, without anyone wincing in fear. In what I thought was a brilliant way to counteract the damage done by that tragic Burger exploration, I challenged everyone to name their favorite Roast Chicken. After all, what could be more healthy than a wonderful Roast Chicken? Perfectly cooked, with crisped skin (and all the fat rendered away), and juicy, moist white meat and dark meat. Enjoyed with a fresh Organic Salad and you've got just the thing to heal the wounds from the Bovine Burger gorging that shattered our friendships. :)

Most of my Hounds seemed to perk up and suggestions began to fly, "Costco! It's so cheap and it tastes good." "It's all about Zankou and the Garlic Sauce." "Pollo Ala Brasa: Best Chicken in town!" etc.

I foolishly thought I outsmarted myself: "This time will be different! This time, it's finding a wonderful, healthy Roast Chicken!" "There's far less cholesterol and fat with this dish than a decadent Gourmet Burger!" "It'll be OK... (I hope)." :)

And so I began compiling the list of finalists, and we began to scout out places. I remember the wonderful work that Chowpatty and all the veteran Hounds did years ago, with their Roast Chicken showdowns. I remembered an old L.A. Times article by Judith Kane Jeanson on Rotisserie Chickens that got me hungry to find great Chicken around town.

Soon, the list grew to around ~34 or so places to try. Now that "Roast Chicken" was at the forefront of my mind, I suddenly realized it seemed like *every* restaurant in Southern California served some kind of Roast Chicken. The list soon started looking like the Yellow Pages for Restaurants across the Southland. And Desolation set in. Like the first astronaut that stared directly into a black hole, we realized that our puny list of restaurants to try probably represented only 0.000002% of the restaurants around So Cal that serves Roast Chicken, and as a result it was already a failure.

But we pressed on, cheerfully trying to do our best to find the best Roast Chicken in Southern California. After some initial visits, we had a list of 20 Finalists. And the Roast Chicken Battle began! The first few restaurants were quite fun. Jaunting across the "wonderful" L.A. freeways in traffic, traveling to wherever the possibility of great Roast Chicken existed, but after the 3rd place, my friends began disappearing (again). Like a sequel to a bad Hollywood blockbuster movie, this one only got worse. The next day and the day after that yielded fewer and fewer people until finally the entire Battle ended in utter failure: I had hoped to visit each restaurant at least 3 times (in the interest of consistency and fairness), so a combined 44 visits later, we failed to reach the target of 60 visits to the restaurants, and for that, I have failed my fellow Hounds again. :(

So here are the incomplete results of our Roast Chicken Battle (special thanks to my 'dachi Noah from Man Bites World and veteran Hound mollyomormon for helping judge the last day :) -

(Note 1: Each Rating is based on the Roast Chicken itself. Specifically, (1) How well the meat was cooked (juicy? dry? overcooked? just right?); (2) How flavorful the meat was; and (3) The crispness of the skin (a wonderful Roast Chicken has to have slightly crisped skin). :)

(Note 2: Food is totally subjective, but for Roast Chicken, it's even more pronounced. I know plenty of people who do *not* eat Chicken skin; the first thing they do is remove all the skin, regardless of if it's wonderful, well-seasoned, crisped, or not. So for those people, that's not even a factor (but it is for us).)

(Note 3: Unlike Burgers, Roast Chicken is really challenging. There is no "medium-rare" or "medium" for a Chicken. In this country, if you attempt to serve a customer medium-rare Chicken, complaints would shut down a restaurant immediately. There's only a tiny window from when a Chicken just hits "well done" (cooked just through), before it quickly turns to "overcooked." It's brutal, and it makes total sense why so many restaurants serve their Chicken overcooked. It'd be better to serve a customer a Chicken that's 30 seconds overcooked, instead of 30 seconds undercooked, especially with a Roast Chicken where you can't break the skin open without the juices gushing out. If it was slightly undercooked, it's too late for a restaurant to try and "fix it" at that point.

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* Special Mention *
Dino's Chicken and Burgers (Los Angeles)

While this is a Roast Chicken Battle, I wanted to discuss Dino's, since it seemed like every Roast Chicken thread on Chowhound always elicited at least one recommendation for Dino's. That, and I've been hearing so many good things about Dino's, I couldn't wait for an excuse to try it out. (^_~)

As listed on their menu, website and repeated to me by their friendly staff, Dino's serves a "Char-Broiled Chicken." It's a fiery orange-colored bird that's completely coated in their proprietary spice mix and fire-grilled until ready to serve.

When we finally get our order, I see what people are talking about: Dino's Char-Broiled Chicken is a 1/2 Chicken, glowing in this gorgeous, eye-catching orange hue, on a bed of French Fries that are coated in this orange-colored Sauce as well.

Dino's Char-Broiled Chicken (1/2)
Price: $6 (including tax)
Includes: Fries and Cole Slaw

There's a nice smoky quality wafting to our noses, and the white meat is moist with slightly tart notes from the Vinegar, and unique flavors from the Paprika, Chile Flakes and their other spices. There's a gentle heat that adds to the tantalizing quality of this bird.

The dark meat is slightly dried out (surprisingly), but generally still moist. If there was one thing to improve upon, it'd be to have a deeper permeation of their spices into the meat.

While Dino's Chicken isn't a traditional Roast Chicken, their distinctive spice / sauce combination makes it a worthwhile consideration if you're looking for a good Chicken dish in the area. And the Fries coated in their proprietary Sauce is definitely addicting. :)

Rating: n/a

Dino's Chicken and Burgers (Los Angeles Branch)
2575 West Pico Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90006
Tel: (213) 380-3554

* Cash Only *

Hours: Sun - Thurs, 6:00 a.m. - 11:00 p.m.
Fri - Sat, 6:00 a.m. - 12:00 a.m. Midnight

http://www.dinoschickenandburgers.com/

* 19th Place *
Zankou Chicken (Pasadena)

One of the most baffling (yet obvious) discoveries I had during this Roast Chicken Battle was that not all Zankou Chicken locations are the same. Thinking about it, it should be pretty straightforward: Every location has different people manning the kitchens, so the way their Chicken comes out would naturally have some variance as well. For the longest time, my experience with "Zankou" involved my 4 - 5 visits to the Anaheim and Pasadena branches, since those are the ones I first tried, visiting friends in those areas. After the lackluster meals I had at both locations, I never bothered trying any other branches.

Zankou Chicken's most famous element is their special Garlic Spread that comes with their various Chicken dishes. It's so addictive and popular, that people remember their Garlic Spread more than the Chicken itself at times. :) We quickly place an order for their signature:

Roast Chicken Plate (Half)
Price: $8.99 (Whole Chicken Only, $8.99 / Half Chicken Only, $6.39)
Includes: Hummus, Pickles, Garlic Spread & Pita Bread

Zankou Pasadena's Roast Chicken is a complete salt bomb. :( Everyone recoils, and reaches for a drink, as the skin is probably 200% as salty as it needs to be. (Three visits to Zankou Pasadena have yielded the same result.) There's a slight crispness on the Skin for 1 of the visits; the other 2 visits have a slightly flabby Skin.

The Chicken Breast is overcooked, but still has some moisture to it, and the Chicken Wing is overcooked to the point of being inedible (completely dried out). The Chicken Leg & Thigh portions fare better (with the higher fat content helping), being generally moist underneath the overly salty Skin.

If my experience to Zankou was limited to just this branch, I'd still be wondering what the excitement over "Zankou Chicken" is all about, but thankfully not all branches are created equal. :)

*** Rating: 4.5 (out of 10) ***

Zankou Chicken (Pasadena)
1296 E. Colorado Blvd.
Pasadena, CA 91106
Tel: (626) 405-1502

Hours: 7 Days A Week, 10:00 a.m. - 10:00 p.m.

http://www.zankouchicken.com/

* 18th Place *
Langer's Delicatessen

The legendary L.A. institution, Langer's, is famous and responsible for arguably the greatest Pastrami on the planet, but how does their Roast Chicken fare?

I was always curious how their Roast Chicken (and other menu items) would turn out:

1/2 Roast Stuffed Chicken
Price: $16.50
Includes: Soup & Salad

Langer's Roast Chicken is of the most commonly found, "gigantic bird" variety, the new types of Chicken bred for huge Chicken Breasts that are found in most places these days. The most interesting aspect of their Roast Chicken is that it is "stuffed," with a classic bread-based stuffing that reminds one of Thanksgiving. It's soft and moist, and comforting, and they stuff it between the Skin and the meat.

Unfortunately the Chicken Skin itself is flabby and mushy, drenched in their Brown Gravy Sauce. The white meat is a touch dry, but the dark meat is more enjoyable, but overall, there's this muted quality about it (it tastes like what you'd expect from a typical diner Roast Chicken).

While Langer's Roast Chicken isn't anything noteworthy, don't let the Roast Chicken rating detract you from trying their legendary, mouth-watering Pastrami if you haven't done so already. :)

*** Rating: 5.0 (out of 10) ***

Langer's Delicatessen
704 S. Alvarado Street
Los Angeles, CA 90057
Tel: (213) 483-8050

Hours: Mon - Sat, 8:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Closed Sundays.

http://www.langersdeli.com/

* 17th Place *
Soumarelo

Soumarelo is a prime example of one of the problems of going to a restaurant with low turnover: Reheated Chicken. :( Located on a quiet corner in Pasadena, during our first visit we're the only customers, at prime lunch hour (12 Noon), no less. While I see no Chickens roasting in their oven, I quickly place an order and we sit down to wait for the food.

I see the chef walk into the back kitchen, and we hear a "Click" "(Slam)" and "Beep, Beep, Beep..." and then the "(whirring)" of a microwave. After a few minutes and the signature "Beep! Beep! Beep!" that we all know so well, he comes back out front with a plate of:

Rotisserie Chicken (Half)
Price: $6.99
Includes: 8 oz Rice, 2 Pita Breads, 2 Garlic Paste Containers

Slightly shocked in disbelief, we each sample a bite, and sure enough... Microwaved Chicken. (>_<) The Chicken is rubbery and dried out, with the infamous aftereffects of what happens when you microwave meat. It's chunky and dessicated and pretty disgusting.
There are some portions of the Breast that managed to be decent actually, with a fragrant taste that shows promise.

Wanting to give them another try, I arrive for another visit, making sure there are some other customers in the restaurant this time, and fortunately, there were 2 Chickens roasting in the oven. We order a Whole Chicken this time, hoping that we get one of their freshly cooked Chickens instead of a reheated bird:

Rotisserie Chicken (Whole)
Price: $8.99
Includes: 16 oz Rice, 4 Pita Breads, 4 Garlic Paste Containers

This time, we received a freshly cooked Chicken, chopped up and delivered immediately to our table. And the results are far better: The white meat is a touch overcooked, but mostly moist, it's tender, and their overnight marinade gives the meat a nice savoriness. The Chicken Skin is soft and mushy, though, unfortunately.

They also make their own version of a Garlic Sauce (in a nod to Zankou), made with fresh Garlic and Yogurt, which results in a very smooth, pungent, fragrant Garlic Sauce that works great with the Chicken.

Soumarelo has potential to deliver a solid Roast Chicken, if you're lucky to get there when they have decent turnover. If you happen to show up and see no Chickens being cooked, you might want to consider skipping out, unless you enjoy Microwaved Chicken.

*** Rating: 5.1 (out of 10) ***

Soumarelo
1090 N. Allen
Pasadena, CA 91104
Tel: (626) 791-0999

http://www.soumarelo.com/

* 16th Place *
Reddi Chick

Located in the Brentwood Country Mart, Reddi Chick has been a popular eatery for the locals for decades. After fighting through the long line on a pleasant sunny day, we sit down and enjoy their:

Roast Chicken Basket (1/2)
Price: $8
Includes: No sides.

The Chicken Breast is overcooked and dried out, and sadly, very plain. The Leg and Thigh is moist, but the skin is severely undercooked: There are huge globules of fat deposits (normally rendered away during roasting), with unappetizing, undercooked skin around the Thigh area. :(
The Chicken Wing manages to be the best part of the Chicken, being cooked just right, and quite juicy.

Overall, Reddi Chick's Roast Chicken is a safe, unevenly cooked, plain Roast Chicken, that tastes underseasoned (and I enjoy light cooking).

*** Rating: 5.3 (out of 10) ***

Reddi Chick
(in the Brentwood Country Mart)
225 26th Street
Santa Monica, CA 90402
Tel: (310) 393-5238

Hours: Mon - Sat, 10:00 a.m. - 8:00 p.m.
Sun, 11:00 a.m. - 8:00 p.m.

http://brentwoodcountrymart.com/food/...

* 15th Place *
Costco (Alhambra)

One of the most talked about places for Roast Chicken in many of the Chowhound threads is none other than Costco. It's been talked about so much that all of us agreed that we had to give it a try. We ended up trying the Alhambra Costco since one of our dear SGV Hounds happened to have a membership and volunteered to pick this up for us.

(Apologies for the lack of pictures: Both visits were impromptu and I didn't have my camera with me.)

Costco Rotisserie Chicken (Whole)
Price: $4.99
Includes: No Sides.

Perhaps the most obvious appeal of Costco's Chicken is the price and value: An entire Rotisserie Chicken for $4.99?! That's pretty hard to beat.

In terms of actual taste, both samplings were held quickly after purchase (my SGV Hound that volunteered lives extremely close to the Costco, within minutes), so all of us got to sample it while it was "fresh."

I had low expectations for their Chicken, but surprisingly, both times we tried it, most of us agreed that it was well-seasoned. The white meat was overcooked, but still retained some moisture, and the dark meat was still juicy / fatty. The Skin was a travesty, however, being sealed in those plastic containers (really off-putting for me, personally), the Skin is essentially "steamed" and flabby, but the rest of the Chicken turned out to be decent.

It's not something we'd go out of our way for, but given the value and flavor, it needs to be part of the conversation.

*** Rating: 5.7 (out of 10) ***

Costco (Alhambra)
2207 West Commonwealth Ave.
Alhambra, CA 91803
Tel: (626) 289-7164

Hours: Mon - Fri, 10:00 a.m. - 8:30 p.m.
Sat, 9:30 a.m. - 6:00 p.m.
Sun, 10:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m.

http://www.costco.com/

* 14th Place *
Pollos El Brasero (Pico Blvd., L.A. Branch)

Advertising that they cook their Chicken using firewood, Pollos El Brasero was one of the places I was looking forward to the most. During the first visit, we order their:

1 Pollo Solo (1 Whole Roast Chicken)
Price: $10.67 (Combinations with various Sides available as well)
Includes: No Sides.

There's a light smokiness present in each bite, which is appealing. And a predominant Salt and Pepper flavor coming through. There's something off about the Chicken (for me), that the other Hounds aren't noticing, but we continue on and finish the meal. It's probably the Monosodium Glutamate, in combination with their Cumin, Salt and Pepper spice rub.

The white meat is overcooked and a touch dry. The Chicken Wing is completely overcooked and inedible (i.e., totally dried out). The dark meat is the most flavorful portion (as expected), but overall, it just didn't grab any of us. Another visit yielded similar results (Breast overcooked, Wings overcooked, etc.).

*** Rating: 6.0 (out of 10) ***

Pollos El Brasero
2281 W. Pico Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90006
Tel: (213) 381-6060

Hours: Tues - Sun, 10:00 a.m. - 8:30 p.m.

* 13th Place *
Super Pollo (Van Nuys)

Thanks to a tip from some veteran Hounds in an old thread, we couldn't wait to give this place a try. Using a variety of "mixed firewood," according to the manager, they have a limited amount of Chickens they roast each day. We quickly placed our order for:

Rotisserie Chicken (1/2)
Price: $7.77
Includes: 2 Sides

There's a good Garlic and Salt flavor pervading each bite. A light smokiness is also evident, adding a welcome facet to their Chicken. The white meat is overcooked, but generally moist, with the dark meat being the most enjoyable aspect of this dish with a gentle Garlic and Salt wave hitting you with each bite. The Skin is limp and flabby, but at least most of the fat has been rendered out of it.

Super Pollo represents a respectable, well-seasoned, smoky Roast Chicken. A good, middle-of-the-road Peruvian-style Chicken that's worth a try if you're in the neighborhood.

*** Rating: 6.1 (out of 10) ***

Super Pollo
14519 Sherman Way
Van Nuys, CA 91405
Tel: (818) 785-6991

Hours: Mon - Sat, 11:00 a.m. - 9:00 p.m.
Sun, 11:00 a.m. - 8:30 p.m.

* 12th Place *
California Chicken Cafe (Santa Monica)

Thanks to quite a few recommendations from various Hounds and friends, we decided to try California Chicken Cafe (Santa Monica Branch). I still remember passing by their original Melrose location so many times in the past, always wondering if I should stop by and give it a try. Now, I was finally getting a chance. :)

The first big positive was apparent the moment we stepped inside: High volume turnover. The place was packed (and remained that way throughout our visits). With so many customers, we could see the kitchen working non-stop on making sure there were plenty of Chickens freshly roasting in the ovens.

Beyond that, it's a rather simple, "fast food-ish" type operation, walk up and order at the counter, and grab a table. Our order arrives about 10 minutes later:

Whole Chicken
Price: $19.50 (available ala carte for $10.50)
Includes: 2 Sides

There's a beautiful golden brown color on their Roast Chicken and we quickly dig in. The Chicken Breast is moist, but there's a slightly mealy texture that adds to a "dryish" feeling. The meat is lightly salted, but just enough to make it taste "well-seasoned, but light." A few Hounds really appreciated this aspect of California Chicken Cafe.

Their Chicken Wings are sadly overcooked to the point of being inedible (totally dried out). The Legs and Thighs are just right, retaining plenty of moisture and flavor. The one odd point about their seasonings however, was that despite the Chicken being flecked with finely chopped herbs, none of us could really taste any standouts: Mainly a clean, simple, Salt flavor coming through. And despite the wonderful golden color, the Skin was flaccid, lacking any crispness.

I can definitely see the appeal of California Chicken Cafe: It's a clean, easy-to-order operation, delivering a safe, straightforward, fresh-tasting Chicken with a variety of healthy sides (e.g., Chinese Cabbage Salad, Fresh Squash, Fresh Fruit, Broccoli Soup, etc.).

*** Rating: 6.3 (out of 10) ***

California Chicken Cafe (Santa Monica)
2401 Wilshire Boulevard
Santa Monica, CA 90403
Tel: (310) 453-0477

Hours: Mon - Fri, 11:00 a.m. - 10:00 p.m.
Sat, 12:00 p.m. Noon - 10:00 p.m.

http://www.californiachickencafe.com/

* 11th Place *
Bonano's Chicken

One of the restaurants I was most looking forward to during this food battle was Bonano's. I had never heard of it before, but after some strong recommendations, I gathered as many of my Hounds that were willing to make the drive and off we went. :) We ordered a few plates of their Peruvian-style Roast Chicken. Pictured here is an order of their:

Medio Pollo (1/2 Chicken)
Price: $9.50
Includes: 2 Sides

The first thing that hit all of us, was how disappointing the Skin was: Yet another restaurant with flimsy, limp Skin, but there was at least a good smokiness about it.

But then digging into the meat, we all noticed something off-tasting about it. It wasn't to the point of being inedible, but it wasn't bright; it didn't sing. The Chicken Breast is overcooked, with some edges totally dried out. The Leg was also disappointing, having an entire edge that was dried out (over-exposed to the heat). The highlight was their Thigh, being extremely moist and juicy, with their spices seemingly concentrated into that area.

And thankfully, their Wing wasn't overcooked like too many other places, with a nice concentration of Chicken essence and smokiness all in a tiny bite.

A special note about their Fries: If you're looking for a crispy style of Fry, you should avoid Bonano's version, unless you enjoy soft, hefty, Potato chunks (that taste more like slabs of Baked Potato with no crispiness at all). There's nothing wrong with this style, just be prepared if you're ordering it.

2 more meals to Bonano's revealed the same experience. During the 3rd meal there, the Breast was completely overcooked, to the point of being really dry. There's an intense smoke pungency that goes all the way down to the core of the bone. I enjoy good smoky BBQ, but the smokiness here got to the point that it was beyond distracting (all of the Hounds who sampled it agreed).

*** Rating: 6.4 (out of 10) ***

Bonano's Chicken
8363 Reseda Blvd., Suite 13
Northridge, CA 91324
Tel: (818) 775-1373

Hours: Mon - Fri, 11:30 a.m. - 8:30 p.m.
Sat - Sun, 9:30 a.m. - 9:30 p.m.

* 10th Place *
Le Petit Jardin

Thanks to the enthusiastic reviews from NickSt, ak, and a few other Hounds, we made our way over to the oddest of the Roast Chicken restaurants in this battle: Le Petit Jardin. It's "odd" because Le Petit Jardin happens to be a Flower Shop (cute! :), and a Restaurant, at the same time.

We sit down and place our order for their:

Roasted Chicken (1/2)
Price: $15
Includes: Pommes Frites

Le Petit Jardin's kitchen begins with seasoning the bird with Herbes de Provence, Garlic, Salt, Pepper and Olive Oil and partially cooking the Chicken. They then finish roasting the Chicken when orders are placed by customers.

The white meat is overcooked, but still succulent enough to be enjoyable. The dark meat fares much better, still fatty and tender. The Wing makes it through, 100% intact, without being dried out. But it's the delicate, fragrant notes of Thyme and Fennel in the Herbes de Provence, and the slightly crisped Skin (finally, a contender that achieved this :), that make this stand out from the earlier entries.

*** Rating: 6.7 (out of 10) ***

Le Petit Jardin
1456 South Robertson Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90035
Tel: (310) 278-5294

Hours: [Lunch] Mon - Fri, 11:30 a.m. - 3:00 p.m.
[Dinner] Mon - Fri, 5:00 p.m. - 9:30 p.m.
Sat, 5:00 p.m. - 10:00 p.m.

http://www.lepetitjardinbistro.com/

* 9th Place *
Lola's Chicken Pollo A La Brasa (Van Nuys)

Given how large the lettering is for "Pollo A La Brasa" on their sign, it almost feels like they were trying to cash in on the popularity of the most-talked about eatery of that name in Downtown L.A. We enter and I note that they have a stack of firewood, ready to cook their Chickens with; always a good sign. :)

On the first visit, we order:

1/2 Pollo Dos Acompanamientos (Half Chicken with 2 Items)
Price: $8.99
Includes: 2 Sides.

On the first visit, their Chicken Breast is extremely juicy, with strong notes of Black Pepper and Salt, and just a touch too salty. The Wing is bit overcooked, but still edible, and the Chicken Leg is also a bit overcooked. The Thigh is the lushest portion, and seasoned just right (so their seasoning overall was extremely uneven).

On another visit, the Chicken Breast is slightly overcooked and a bit on the dry side, but it still tastes fresh and bright. The dark meat is more flavorful, but the Skin is just as flabby as the first time. Sadly, during both visits, even though they use firewood to cook the Chicken, there is no perceptible smoke flavor. Odd.

*** Rating: 6.8 (out of 10) ***

Lola's Chicken Pollo A La Brasa
14851 Victory Blvd. #C
Van Nuys, CA 91411
Tel: (818) 988-2181

Hours: Sun - Thu, 11:00 a.m. - 9:00 p.m.
Fri - Sat, 11:00 a.m. - 10:00 p.m.

* 8th Place *
Gourmet Grill Masters

My first experience with Gourmet Grill Masters was years ago, at the Hollywood Farmers Market. I remember seeing their grill truck, with a row of tantalizing Chickens, slowly roasting. Gourmet Grill Masters is a mobile / catering business, and their Chickens appear at a variety of Farmers Markets across Southern California each week (their website lists a full schedule of where they'll be appearing).

Combo 4 (1/2 Chicken)
Price: $10 (1 Whole Chicken only, $11)
Includes: Roasted Garlic Potatoes, Pita Bread, Drink

What's unique about Gourmet Grill Masters is that they use an infrared cooking apparatus, with No Oils and No Butter to roast their Chicken. We're all pretty excited to see how much of a difference their cooking style makes on a classic Roast Chicken. The end result?

It's a pretty clean, non-oily Chicken dish. There are some nice hints of herbs, especially the Rosemary, used in combination with Garlic, Thyme, Oregano, Cumin, Salt and Pepper. This is the first Chicken (so far) to get a genuine, subtle herbal penetration into the Chicken meat itself (and not just a surface flavor).

While the Chicken Breast is overcooked (more dry than moist), the Chicken Skin is slightly crisp, which is a huge positive. The Chicken Leg is generally delicious, but there's one edge that's dried out and overcooked (exposed to too much heat). The Chicken Thigh is bursting with flavor, with a firm, but supple chew, and some good notes of Oregano and Rosemary coming through.

Gourmet Grill Masters also makes their own version of a Garlic Dip, and it's quite fragrant and tastes freshly made, but after a few bites, there's just too much of a Mayo taste and it begins to feel too heavy.

Their Roasted Garlic Potatoes, which use the fat drippings from their Rotisserie Chicken(!), sound decadent, but have been sitting on the flattop too long, crisped on one side, and too overcooked on another side.

*** Rating: 7.0 (out of 10) ***

Gourmet Grill Masters
Appearing at the Hollywood, Manhattan Beach, West Hollywood, Long Beach, Westchester, South Pasadena, and other Farmers Markets every week. See website for more details.

http://www.grillmasters-chicken.com/

* 7th Place *
Zankou Chicken (West L.A. Branch)

When a restaurant expands to more than 1 location, and they begin to build a brand, as a customer, you always hope that the experience you get at any of restaurant's locations would be the same, regardless of where you dine at. Sadly, in the case of Zankou Chicken it's not the case, but happily they have at least one location that shines above some of their other branches: Zankou Chicken (West L.A.), on Sepulveda Blvd.

While I've passed by this Zankou location many times, I had never bothered to stop by since my initial exposure to "Zankou Chicken" was from visiting my friends and trying their Anaheim and Pasadena locations. Underwhelmed, I never felt the urge to try any other locales. But for this Roast Chicken Battle, after hearing so many Hounds pour out their love of Zankou, I wanted to try another location, and we chose their West Los Angeles branch, on Sepulveda Blvd. What a difference a different kitchen staff makes!

Whole Chicken
Price: $9.19
Includes: Garlic Spread, Pita Bread

During each of my visits to the West L.A. location, there's always a big crowd, meaning high turnover and a good chance you'll get a freshly cooked Chicken. Our Chicken arrives, and the skin is slightly crisped, lightly salted (excellent), with the white meat being overcooked, a little dry, but still retaining good moisture. Half of the Chicken Wings (on each side) are dried out unfortunately, but the dark meat is flavorful, slightly fatty and delicious.

Follow-up visits, yield similar results at this location: The kitchen staff has a much more deft hand at seasoning than the Pasadena and Anaheim locations. The Rotisserie Chicken has always been lightly seasoned, and tastes like a solid, basic Roast Chicken.

A special mention of Zankou's famous and popular Garlic Spread. According to our server, it's Vegetarian and Dairy-Free. There's a real burst of Garlic flavors coming through, and it doesn't taste oily at all. If you take the Roast Chicken *with* their Garlic Spread, it's a winning combination and quite addictive. :) But we're evaluating the Chicken on its own at this point (but be sure to enjoy their Chicken with the Garlic Spread if you happen to go). :)

I think Noah summed it up best, when he said, "I'd be perfectly happy having their Chicken on a lunch break." Zankou Chicken (West L.A.) is fairly priced for their Rotisserie Chickens, in a clean setting, and their light hand in the kitchen helps make a consistently, basic, solid Roast Chicken that serves as a good baseline. It's not something I'd drive across town for, but if I'm in the area, I'd be fine stopping in for their Chicken.

*** Rating: 7.1 (out of 10) ***

Zankou Chicken (West L.A.)
1716 S. Sepulveda Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90025
Tel: (310) 444-0550

Hours: 7 Days A Week, 10:00 a.m. - 11:00 p.m.

http://www.zankouchicken.com/

* 6th Place *
Marouch Restaurant

Thanks to veteran Hound David Kahn for yet another great recommendation :), Marouch is located in a tiny strip mall in a quieter section of Hollywood. Once inside, you're treated to a relaxed, comfortable setting, with warm browns and yellows, and glass top tables.

One note: Marouch's Roast Chicken requires a 2 Hour Advanced Notice, since they cook it, specifically for your order.

Having ordered their Chicken ahead of time, we sit down and after a few minutes, the Chicken arrives:

Farrouj (incorrectly translated as "Barbecued Whole Chicken" on the menu) (Whole, Rotisserie Young Chicken)
Price: $19.99
Includes: Homemade Pickles, Markouk ("Extremely thin bread"), Homemade Garlic Sauce, Riz-b-chayrieh (romanization courtesy of the Marouch staff) (Homemade Chicken Stock Rice with Angel Hair Noodles).

Having been open for over 29 years(!), Marouch preps their Young Chicken with an overnight marinade of Salt, Lemon, Pepper and Garlic. They then roast each Chicken only upon advanced order. The result is a custom-cooked Roast Chicken, *just for you.* And you can taste the difference:

The highlight of their Chicken is the positively lovely crackling, crisp Chicken Skin. YES! (^_^)v The fat has been rendered out, and all that's left is this golden, brittle, wonderful Chicken Skin that's missing in so many Roast Chickens around town. It needs to be said again: It's crackling, crisp and just awesome. :)

After breaking through the stunning, crispy Chicken Skin, we find that the white meat is sadly overcooked. It's not completely dry or "bad," but it's overcooked like ~99% of the Roast Chicken dishes we sampled around town, still exhibiting some moisture, but a few minutes less in the oven, and the white meat would be perfect.

The Leg and Thigh are much better, with the crispy Skin and juicy Thigh meat being the ultimate highlight for this dish. During my 2nd visit, a portion of the Leg was way overcooked (really dried out), but otherwise, it was fine.

The only other knock on Marouch is that their Chicken tastes a bit bland. The Salt, Lemon notes are the only things that really come through, and even then, they don't really permeate deep into the meat itself.

But that can be alleviated with some of their Homemade Garlic Sauce. Using fresh Garlic, Extra Virgin Olive Oil and Potatoes(!), they create their own version of a "Garlic Sauce" and the end result is a beautiful, creamy, delicate Garlic Sauce that tastes like a refined, haute-version of Zankou's Garlic Spread.

Marouch comes close to breaking into the upper echelon of great Roast Chickens, with an amazing crackling, crisp Chicken Skin, a custom-cooked Chicken made just for you, and a fantastic Homemade Garlic Sauce. Unfortunately, the very light seasoning and overcooked bird prevents it from reaching perfection. Still, one of the better Roast Chickens I've had around town. :)

*** Rating: 7.7 (out of 10) ***

Marouch Restaurant
4905 Santa Monica Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90029
Tel: (323) 662-9325

Hours: Tues - Sat, 11:00 a.m. - 10:00 p.m.
Sun, 11:00 a.m. - 9:00 p.m.
Closed Mondays.

http://www.marouchrestaurant.com/

* 4th Place (TIE) *
A-Frame

The latest collaboration with (in)famous Chef Roy Choi (of Kogi Tacos fame), A-Frame is a re-envisioning of the modern picnic scene, with shared tables, and lots of finger food. While we were able to sample a variety of items, the primary dish we were there for arrived a few minutes after we placed our order:

Cracklin Beer Can Chicken (Whole)
Price: $19
Includes: Kimchee, Century Egg, Sala Roja & Verde

Chef Roy Choi and staff marinate the Chicken overnight, then roasts the Chicken for 4 hours, before deep-frying the bird before serving it. The result is a Chicken that's true to its name: A crackling, crispy Skin that has echoes of Fried Chicken, but also retains its Roast Chicken basis. The Skin is definitely the highlight, being very well seasoned, with a fragrant mix of spices that goes beyond the standard typical "Roast Chicken" flavors you'd expect, all with a crispy crunch. :)

Sadly, after the wonderful Skin, the rest of the Chicken is overcooked. The Chicken Breast is dryish, with much of the flavor coming from the well-seasoned Skin mixing with the meat in your mouth as you chew. The dark meat is just fine, however, and makes for a satisfying meal overall.

The Century Egg is a travesty, however, tasting like an extremely overcooked Hard Boiled Egg; nothing like the more homely (and yet far superior) Tea Eggs or Stewed Eggs found in so many homes and convenience stores and restaurants across Asia.

And the Salsa Roja and Salsa Verde taste rather straightforward and pedestrian, interfering more with the Chicken than really augmenting the enjoyment of the dish.

While the Chicken meat itself was overcooked, the crispy, enticingly seasoned Chicken Skin really made this version stand out for all the Chicken Skin lovers out there. :)

*** Rating: 8.0 (out of 10) ***

A-Frame
12565 Washington Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90066
Tel: (310) 398-7700

Hours: 7 Days A Week, 5:00 p.m. - 12:00 a.m. Midnight

http://aframela.com/

* 4th Place (TIE) *
Pollo Ala Brasa (Western)

One of the most popular, and most-talked about Roast Chicken places in L.A., Pollo Ala Brasa (Western), on the corner of Western Avenue and 8th Street in Koreatown was founded years ago by Jose Maekawa and his sister, Japanese-Peruvians, who moved to this country and opened their original location which stands to this day. (Note: There are a ton of "Pollo Ala Brasa"-named restaurants around L.A., but this is the only restaurant run by the Maekawas, and the one that's garnered the attention.)

Over the 7 visits to Pollo Ala Brasa, there's never been a time where I haven't been engaged the moment I stepped within a 2 block radius of the little eatery: The wonderful smell of Oak and Cherry Wood burning all day long to power their ovens immediately captures your senses. :)

Another important aspect that Pollo Ala Brasa has going for it is high volume: There are always customers in line, dining in, and waiting for an order of their famous Rotisserie Chicken, which really helps to ensure that you get a freshly-cooked Chicken for your order.

While they sell their Chickens in 1/4, 1/2 and whole portions, I usually end up ordering:

Whole Rotisserie Chicken
Price: $10.16 (there are a variety of Combinations with various Sides available.)
Includes: No Sides.

Over the course of 7 visits, 5 of the visits have yielded a generally succulent and moist Chicken, with the Chicken Breast only slightly overcooked, but mostly juicy. 2 of the visits have had Chicken that's overcooked a bit too much, with the Breast being too dry.

But what really makes Pollo Ala Brasa (Western)'s Chicken standout is their perfect *balance* of Oak and Cherry Wood smokiness that accentuates without overpowering (unlike Bonano's, for example), in combination with their Wine and spice marinade.

The Wine and spice marinade helps to keep the Chicken mostly moist, and adds tremendous depth of flavor that makes it stand out from most places around town.

And while the white meat isn't perfect, the dark meat has been great during each of my 7 visits. The Chicken Skin has been a mixed bag, however, with some visits yielding a slightly crisped Skin, and other visits having flabby Skin (but still quite flavorful).

For the Chili Heads out there, be sure to try their homemade Aji Sauce, which is a super-spicy, fragrant hot sauce, that delivers immediate incendiary heat to the palate. :) I find it a touch too overpowering for my Chicken, but 2 of my Hounds couldn't stop using it during a few of our visits. :)

Pollo Ala Brasa (Western) has gained a massive following for good reason: It delivers outstanding Peruvian-style Rotisserie Chicken, with a unique, smoky, well-seasoned flavor that's hard to beat. Recommended.

*** Rating: 8.0 (out of 10) ***

Pollo Ala Brasa (Western)
764 S. Western Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90005
Tel: (213) 387-1531

Hours: Wed - Sun, 11:00 a.m. - 9:30 p.m.
Closed Tuesdays.

* 3rd Place *
Gjelina

The darling of Abbot Kinney, Gjelina was one of the biggest surprises in this Roast Chicken Battle. I had enjoyed my first meal at Gjelina a while back and remembered that they served a "Roast Chicken" on their menu, so I rounded up my 'dachi Noah and off we went to try their:

Roasted Half Jidori Chicken
Price: $24
Includes: Braised Collard Greens, Cippolini & Fingerling Potatoes

The first thing that strikes us is that the Chicken Breast is well-cooked. While it's a *touch* overcooked, it's luscious, with a wonderful crisp Skin.

The Leg and Thigh are also excellent, encased in that crisp Skin and with a clean Salt & Pepper seasoning coming through.

Gjelina sources their Natural Poultry from Premier Meat Company, and from the crisped Skin, clean, fresh Salt and Pepper flavors, and juicy Chicken, you have all the makings of a "classic American Roast Chicken," well-executed.

*** Rating: 8.3 (out of 10) ***

Gjelina
1429 Abbot Kinney Boulevard
Venice, CA 90291
Tel: (310) 450-1429

Hours: Mon - Fri, 11:30 a.m. - 12:00 a.m. Midnight (they stop serving most plates between 3 p.m. - 5:30 p.m.)
Sat - Sun, 9:00 a.m. - 12:00 a.m. Midnight

http://www.gjelina.com/

* 2nd Place *
Melisse

One of the most celebrated restaurants in Los Angeles, winner of 2 Michelin Stars, helmed by Executive Chef / Owner Josiah Citrin and Chef de Cuisine Ken Takayama, I had to try Melisse's Roast Chicken based on the strong recommendation of trusted, veteran Hound J.L., who raved about their Chicken prepared tableside. :)

Despite growing up in So Cal, I've never gotten around to visiting Melisse, but finally found an opportunity to do so. :) Note that Melisse's Rotisserie Chicken is only available as a supplement to one of their Tasting Menus.

Rotisserie Chicken, Stuffed with Summer Truffles - For Two (Prepared Tableside)
Price: $30 supplement (as part of their Tasting Menu (starting at $105))
Includes: Morel Mushrooms, Farmers Market Root Vegetables, Sauce Albufera, Fresh Chicken Soup.

Melisse's Rotisserie Chicken preparation is brought out in beautiful copper-lined pots, and carved and served tableside, with the server meticulously carving and plating the Chicken Breast first, along with the Farmers Market Vegetables and Morel Mushrooms.

During my 1st visit, I brought along a dear friend (who also happened to be one of the most jaded and critical Hounds I know :P). After the wonderful plating, with absolutely spot-on service, I took a bite of the Chicken Breast without any of the Sauce Albufera:

Stunning.

PERFECTLY cooked Chicken Breast! Imagine a sliver of soft, delicate, juicy meat that's *just* cooked-through. It was more tender than most Sous-vide preparations I've had! And this was the Chicken *Breast*, not the Leg or Thigh (with a higher fat content). To this day it's BEST Chicken Breast I've ever had, anywhere. Hands down. Wow. (^_^)

It was so good, my jaded Hound and I both let out a slight moan. :)

It didn't hurt that they stuffed Summer Truffles under the Skin to add to the completely enthralling experience. :)

And then, Melisse did something no other restaurant in our Battle bothered to do: They took back the rest of the Whole Chicken (the dark meat portion) to finish cooking, since we all know that dark meat and white meat finish cooking at different times. Looking back in hindsight, it makes perfect sense why so many places have their Chicken Breast overcooked (to make sure the entire Chicken is cooked all the way through).

The Sauce Albufera is a combination of fresh Chicken Stock mixed with Truffles and reduced down into a completely decadent, outrageously delicious Sauce to dip your Chicken in (and to sop up with some good homemade Bread :).

The Morel Mushrooms are completely addictive, and the Farmers Market Root Vegetables are delightful, perfectly cooked, tender, yet still having some structure to them.

A few minutes later, the Chicken Leg appears, having been allowed to roast a bit longer to finish cooking. The Leg is just beautiful, not too fatty, with a clean, focused flavor in each bite.

And it's finished off with the remaining dark meat being incorporated into a Fresh Chicken Soup with Summer Truffles.

There's a deep, concentrated Chicken essence coming through with each sip. It's soul warming and perfect for the chilly evening. Excellent. :)

I was so blown away by this Roast Chicken that I had to make sure it wasn't a fluke. On my 2nd visit to Melisse, I rounded up Mr. Man Bites World, and off we went to try this amazing Tableside Chicken again.

Unfortunately, the 2nd time, the Chicken Breast was overcooked. :( It wasn't to the point of "horrible," but the Breast was cooked to the point that it was just like 99% of the other places we went to: Slightly dryish, mostly moist, but nothing like the perfect, just-cooked-through silky subtle masterpiece I had during my first visit. :(

Like a chain reaction, the dark meat also tasted a touch overcooked, slightly dry, but still quite good. It helped that the rest of the dish was just as outstanding as before (especially their decadent Sauce Albufera).

And this is one of the biggest regrets I have with this Battle: That I wasn't able to visit Melisse 4 - 5 times to ascertain if they generally cook this amazing Chicken just right (like my 1st visit), or if it's usually slightly overcooked (like my 2nd visit). I am unable to justify spending ~$800 - $1,200 to finish this Battle properly, and I ask my Hounds for forgiveness. I hope that with follow-up posts from Hounds that have tried this Chicken, that we can figure out how consistent Melisse is in this regard.

But as it stands, Melisse's Rotisserie Chicken during the 1st visit was the most amazing Chicken dish I had during this battle, and the best Roast Chicken I've ever had. Both visits' Chicken also exhibited a real, deep, Poultry funk. The Chicken *tasted* like the way Chicken should taste; not the generally mild, tasteless birds we find in most supermarkets these days, sadly. As it stands, even with the consistency issue, Melisse's Tableside Rotisserie Chicken for Two is simply amazing.

*** Rating: 8.9 (out of 10) ***

Melisse
1104 Wilshire Boulevard
Santa Monica, CA 90401
Tel: (310) 395-0881

Hours: Tues - Thurs, 6:00 p.m. - 9:30 p.m.
Fri, 6:00 p.m. - 10:00 p.m.
Sat, 5:45 p.m. - 10:00 p.m.
Closed Sundays and Mondays.

http://melisse.com/

* 1st Place *
Rustic Canyon

Rustic Canyon has quickly surpassed any expectations I had for this lively little eatery along a quiet portion of Wilshire in Santa Monica. I had first tried out their Roast Chicken randomly, during a visit a few months earlier, and was positively elated!

Half Jidori Chicken
Price: $28
Includes: Variety of Farmers Market Fresh Vegetables (depending on the Season)

When it first arrives, like at Melisse, one of the noteworthy aspects of the Chicken is that it looks like a normal-sized Chicken. It doesn't have an excessively large Chicken Breast (like what most Chickens sold in the U.S. are like), which is a relief. But then with the first push of the fork and knife, I hear a sound that brings an immediate smile to my face:

* Crunch *

:). I take a bite and the crackle of beautifully crisp Chicken Skin combines with an ultra-juicy, perfectly cooked Chicken Breast. The white meat is positively singing and bright and pure.

The Leg and Thigh are even more luscious and juicy, with a delicate Salt and Pepper simplicity shining through. By itself, it's amazing already, but with the variety of fresh seasonal fruits and vegetables from local farmers really adds the proverbial "cherry on top," with one visit having the sexy sweetness of marinated Black Mission Figs with the gorgeous Roast Chicken, or on another visit, Wild Mushrooms in a Marsala Sauce.

In each of the visits to Rustic Canyon, their Roasted Jidori Chicken has been consistently perfectly cooked, juicy, tender, and with an irresistible crispy Skin, all under the watchful eye of Executive Chef Evan Funke. Outstanding.

*** Rating: 9.0 (out of 10) ***

Rustic Canyon
1119 Wilshire Blvd.
Santa Monica, CA 90401
Tel: (310) 393-7050

Hours: Sun - Thurs, 5:30 p.m. - 10:30 p.m.
Fri - Sat, 5:30 p.m. - 11:30 p.m.

http://www.rusticcanyonwinebar.com/

Final Thoughts: Roast Chicken is probably one of the most misunderstood dishes out there. It's at once extremely simple and straightforward, but at the same time, it's one of the hardest dishes to make right (with just-cooked-through, succulent Breast meat, while also having the Leg and Thigh be properly cooked, and having a wonderful crisped Skin).

There is no "rare" or "medium-rare" Chicken. In this country, Chicken is served well-done, so there's a much smaller window for a kitchen to nail the proper timing on a Roast Chicken. Add to that fact that there are no fine gradations for Chicken like there is Beef (i.e., there is no "Grade A5 Chicken" or "USDA Prime / Choice / Select Chicken"), and it becomes harder and harder to attain a great quality Roast Chicken, from both a chef and customer's point-of-view.

Here are some individual Awards in the course of this too-long, horrific Roast Chicken Battle:

* Most Unforgettable Roast Chicken: Melisse's Rotisserie Chicken, Stuffed with Summer Truffles - For Two (Prepared Tableside)

* Favorite Chicken (1/2) Under $10: Pollo Ala Brasa (Western)

* Favorite Crispy Chicken Skin: Rustic Canyon & Marouch

* Favorite Everyday Roast Chicken: Rustic Canyon & Pollo Ala Brasa (Western)

Looking back on this absurd undertaking, it really underscores the point of just how subjective food is. For one dear friend, having sexy, crisped Chicken Skin is tantamount in a great Roast Chicken. For some of my Hounds, they abhor Chicken Skin and peel it off immediately, happy to enjoy the meat itself. Others insist on enjoying the Roast Chicken with whatever condiments are provided (e.g., Zankou's Garlic Spread, or the homemade Aji Sauce at Pollo Ala Brasa). For each of them, there are different things that make up their ideal "Roast Chicken," which just incites more discussions and heated debates, and that's what makes food so fun. (^_~)

I hope this serves as another warning for what not to do. Like a bad movie sequel, how could I attempt something even more ludicrous and insane than the first time, and not learn from my mistakes?! My "friends" have disappeared again. Calls are going straight to voicemail. The last thing I heard from one of my OC Hounds was a sobbing, "You made me gain 3 pounds hanging out with you!!!" Yet more relationships destroyed all because of food! Perhaps I can get this post listed as a synonym for "foolishness." Or maybe, "absurdity." Or better yet, "stupidity." :)

I think I have to call it quits after this. Too much damage has been done.

But wait! I know! Maybe we can do a Salad Battle! They'd be willing to talk to me, then, right? Right? (^_^)

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Rustic Canyon Wine Bar
1119 Wilshire Blvd, Santa Monica, CA 90401

Langer's Delicatessen
704 S Alvarado St, Los Angeles, CA 90057

Melisse Restaurant
1104 Wilshire Blvd., Santa Monica, CA 90401

Pollo A La Brasa Western
764 S. Western Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90005, USA

Marouch Restaurant
4905 Santa Monica Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90029, USA

Reddi Chick BBQ
225 26th St., Santa Monica, CA 90402, USA

Dino's Chicken and Burgers
2575 W. Pico Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90006, USA

Lola's Pollo A La Brasa
14851 Victory Blvd., #C, Van Nuys, CA 91411, USA

Zankou Chicken
1296 E. Colorado Blvd., Pasadena, CA 91106, USA

Zankou Chicken
1716 S. Sepulveda Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90025, USA

Super Pollo
14519 Sherman Way, Van Nuys, CA 91405

Gjelina
1429 Abbot Kinney Blvd., Venice, CA 90291, USA

California Chicken Cafe
2401 Wilshire Blvd., Santa Monica, CA 90403, USA

Pollos El Brasero
2281 W. Pico Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90006, USA

Bonano's Chicken
8363 Reseda Blvd, Northridge, California 91324, USA

Soumarelo Restaurant
1090 N. Allen Ave., Pasadena, CA 91104

Le Petit Jardin
1456 S Robertson Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90035, USA

A-Frame
12565 Washington Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90066, USA

Costco
2207 W. Commonwealth Ave., Alhambra, CA 91803

 
 
 
 
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    19 Replies
    1. re: exilekiss

      Welcome back~

      1. re: SilverlakeGirl

        Hi SilverlakeGirl,

        Thank you. :) So what's your favorite Roast Chicken you've ever had around town? :)

      2. re: exilekiss

        Yay, welcome back! And what an epic re-entrance!

        1. re: Peripatetic

          Hi Peripatetic,

          Thanks. :) Let us know what your recommended Roast Chicken places are as well! :)

          1. re: exilekiss

            In LA I've only had roast chicken at Zankou (Sunset and Pasadena locations) and Whole Foods. These were uniformly awful: mushy and overly salty. I thought the chicken at Dino's (Pico location) was good but as you pointed out, it's not roasted. The best I've ever had was at Lutèce in NYC circa 1990 when Soltner was still in the kitchen. It's a hard act to follow.

        2. re: exilekiss

          It's been a while, Exilekiss!
          Glad you're back.
          Now, let me start reading this post.

          1. re: exilekiss

            AWESOME! Thank you.

            1. re: exilekiss

              exilekiss you are a god among hounds! Thank you for braving the roast chicken elements for all of us. I can't wait to get to Rustic Canyon now!
              And for what it's worth, \he best roast chicken I've had in LA thus far was at Tasting Kitchen.

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              Tasting Kitchen
              1633 Abbot Kinney Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90291

              1. re: hyacinthgirl

                Hi hyacinthgirl,

                No no, but thank you. :) Ah, Tasting Kitchen! I've driven by so many times... I need to try this place soon. :) Looking at their menu online...

                Is it the "Clucks. Frites" for $22? (^_^; Or is it called something else? Do you know if it's offered every night? Thanks.

                1. re: exilekiss

                  Their menu changes quite a bit, they always seem to have some sort of chicken offered. I had the clucks, frites one night, but that was a fried chicken (and it was delicious). The next time I went (about a month later), the fried chicken was gone and it was a roast chicken. Crisp skin, incredibly moist breast meat. It was served with a bread salad that complimented the chicken perfectly. Highly recommended.

                  1. re: hyacinthgirl

                    Hi hyacinthgirl,

                    Ah darn. So the Roast Chicken randomly appears on the Tasting Kitchen's menu? Well, if it only rotates between Fried Chicken (which you say is delicious) and the Roast Chicken which you love as well, then it should be a win-win either way. :) I'll call ahead and make sure when I get a chance to go, then. Thanks.

              2. re: exilekiss

                Exile, Great write up! Excellent research, you are right, much of this is subjectivity, although if someone wants to peel the skin off right away, I tend to stop listening. Anyway, do the chickens that are served at the hong kong seafood restaurants deserve to be part of the conversation? I'm not sure exactly how roasted they are, I think they are at least finished in the fryer, but still do have many elements of a "roasted chicken." If A frame fries theirs, perhaps we can add these chickens to the conversation. I've had many a good roasted/fried chicken at embassy kitchen) San Gabriel and Las tunas. Beautiful crispy skin with the light soy and scallions wonderfully complementing the meat. The breast does tend to get a bit dried, but overall a dish worth considering. Again, great job!

                1. re: chezwhitey

                  Hi chezwhitey,

                  Thanks. :) Ah the you're talking about "Zha Zi Ji" I think, the half or whole Chickens with the crackling, crispy skin? From the ones I've seen prepared, the chef ladles super hot oil over the bird repeatedly, essentially a more delicate "deep fry" I guess. Yah, I wasn't sure about A Frame's entry after hearing that their Chicken was deep fried right before serving, but the overnight marinade, 4 hours of slow roasting first, done in their interpretation of a Peruvian Pollo Ala Brasa... we all felt it was OK to include it.

                  1. re: exilekiss

                    Did you get a chance to sample Bouchon's chicken? I've watched Keller's videos on how to make it and tried my own version with varying degrees of success. The key to his and other's with getting the crispy skin is a super hot oven and tempered protein.

                    1. re: chezwhitey

                      Hi chezwhitey,

                      I've only tried Bouchon (Beverly Hills)'s Chicken, and my guests and I weren't too happy with it. I want to go back and try it again sometime. Yah, I've heard about Chef Keller's Roast Chicken recipe before. I'm going to have to try it once when I get a chance. Thanks! :)

                      1. re: exilekiss

                        if you do try roasting a chicken yourself, you really must buy a chicken from Healthy Family Farms, I think they have a booth at the Sunday Santa Monica Farmer's Market, best chicken I've ever bought in LA for cooking.

                        1. re: jadekarrde

                          Hi jadekarrde,

                          Thanks for the recommendation. :) I see they're at the Hollywood Farmers Market as well.

                          Do you know if they take credit cards, or is it cash only? Thanks.

                          1. re: exilekiss

                            I buy a Healthy Family Farms chicken every Saturday at the Pico-Cloverfield Farmer's Market. Cash only. They offer 2 sizes, a 4 pounder for $17.00 and a larger one for $27.00. I have never bought the bigger one. Their chicken is the best chicken one can buy for cooking. Their booth is on the west side of the farmer's market. After I buy my chicken, I walk a few feet to Kenter Canyon Farms and buy some herbs to season it. I am particularly fond of putting fresh chervil and fresh lemons in the cavity. Walk a few feet past Kenter Canyon and you will be at Weiser Farms. Nice root vegetables for roasting next to that beautiful bird.

                            1. re: maudies5

                              Hi maudies5,

                              Nice! :) Thanks for the info. Wow, the 4 pound Chicken at the Farmers Market is the smallest size they sell? I'm going to need to try this on a special occasion then (more guests). :)

              3. Bravo!

                As a long-time fan and supporter of Melisse, I can say that their table side rotisserie is one of my favorite dishes of all time.

                3 Replies
                1. re: ipsedixit

                  Hi ipsedixit,

                  That's really great to hear! :) OK, so your vote is another in favor of Melisse being on the "great consistent side" of preparing their Roast Chicken. This is encouraging news. :)

                  The first time I had it is still the most memorable Roast Chicken I've ever had. I hope the 2nd visit turns out to be more of a fluke than anything, because I'd love to go back and have that 1st visit's Chicken again and again. :)

                  1. re: exilekiss

                    Over the span of about 7 years, I've had numerous chickens from Melisse, and while not all of them were a 10 out of 10, all were at least an 8 if not 8.5 or 9.

                    1. re: ipsedixit

                      Hi ipse,

                      Ah that's great to hear. :) So it seems that generally the Roast Chicken has been very good to great at least. Thanks for the confirmation. :)

                2. brilliantly done, and a pleasure to read...as always:) thanks for doing this, and don't you DARE think that you "failed" us in any way! you may not have hit your initial [absurdly ambitious] goal of 60 visits, but 44 is far more than any of us could pull off.

                  4 Replies
                  1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                    Hi goodhealthgourmet,

                    Thank you for the kind words and encouragement. I still feel bad though. Roast Chicken is definitely one of those very delicate dishes that can go from "just-cooked-through" perfection to "overcooked" in a matter of minutes. I wanted to try and help my fellow Hounds find out if a restaurant is *consistent* in delivering great Roast Chicken or not, but given how fragile and small a window a great Roast Chicken has, I think it'd take... 5 - 10 visits for each place to really see how consistent they are. But thanks. :)

                    1. re: exilekiss

                      well, you could always do a re-match of the top 5 or so ;) i'm kidding - you've done ENOUGH! but seriously, i love reading your posts, and this was no exception...and it makes me want to head to Rustic Canyon *right now* for roast chicken.

                      1. re: exilekiss

                        Excellent job! When I first saw it I wondered if there was anyone who could possibly top Melisse's roast chicken. My experience has been pretty consistent (and at a restaurant like that - there is no room for overcooked chicken - send it back! They will be grateful and humble (a place like Zankou if you get it dry and give it back, they think you're an idiot and they just give you another one that's equally as dry). ) But in all the times I've been to Melisse, the only real screw up was some soup that could have been hotter.

                        But it's a good topic and yes - a good roast chicken is apparently something chefs measure other restaurants by. It's not easy to do it well. Anisette had a very good roast chicken with jus - I would get it all the time. And then they changed it for some reason.

                        1. re: foodiemahoodie

                          Hi foodiemahoodie,

                          Thanks. Yah, if Melisse was able to deliver the stunning Roast Chicken I had on my 1st visit, during my 2nd visit, there's no question I'd put it #1. It was *that* amazing! Just perfect on so many levels. :)

                          I had considered sending back the overcooked Chicken during my 2nd visit, but my guest and I both didn't want to wait another hour for another Roast Chicken to be made. That's another tough part... unlike, say, a Burger or a Steak, sending back a Roast Chicken and having them make you a new one is... another hour (at a place where they cook the Chicken just for you). I really feel for a restaurant trying to hit the exact temperature and deliver that perfect Chicken.

                          But I'm really glad to hear you've been getting great Roast Chicken at Melisse consistently (and from ipse and others)... it means my 2nd visit was more of the fluke, and it means I can go back and enjoy the amazing Roast Chicken again without too much worry. :)

                          I never tried Anisette's Roast Chicken (in all my visits there). Now I wish I had. Thanks for the report on that.

                    2. You are my hero and I only wish I was your friend. I am a roast chicken fanatic, even have my own great recipe, and I'd have stuck it out with you! The one time I had Melisse's chicken, I was in heaven. While I've tried a number of the places on your final list, there are many I have not tried and I am so excited to dive in.

                      Thanks for one of the best chowhound posts veer.

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                      1. re: Tom P

                        Hi Tom P,

                        No no, you're too kind. :) Thanks for your feedback on Melisse's Roast Chicken as well. This is encouraging news, and makes me think my 2nd visit was the fluke (which is great)! :)

                      2. Makes me excited to have roast chicken again. By the way, I feel the best Zankou chicken location is the one on Sunset Blvd in Hollywood. I look forward to trying the Rustic Canyon chicken.

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                        1. re: DrBruin

                          Hi DrBruin,

                          Thanks for the recommendation on the Sunset location (I've passed by it, but like the Sepulveda branch, I never bothered to try it until this Battle). I'll have to give it a shot once I can eat Roast Chicken again. :)

                        2. Also, I have to wonder about Huckleberry right across the street from Rustic Canyon. I know you are aware they are one and the same in terms of ownership.

                          Huckleberry has a whole or half chicken available daily.

                          http://www.huckleberrycafe.com/Huckle...

                          I have to wonder, given their connection, about Hiuckleberry's roast chicken as well.

                          Perhaps I'll have to stop by next week and report in.

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                          1. re: SilverlakeGirl

                            I brought home a roast chicken from Huckleberry last week. Two are offered, regular and barbeque. The bbq is the same as the regular except it comes with bbq sauce (which I got on the side. Good sauce). The chicken was excellent, albeit, the breast was a bit dry. I think that the Huckleberry roaster is the best take-out bird. I believe it was $20.00...add another $3.00 for potatoes. Save the $3.00. Potatoes were soggy and greasy.

                            1. re: SilverlakeGirl

                              Hi SilverlakeGirl,

                              Yah, whenever I'm at Huckleberry, I never make it beyond their various baked goods (Maple Bacon Biscuit! :), and some Breakfast items... :) Let us know how their Roast Chicken turns out if you try it. Thanks.

                              1. re: exilekiss

                                I really enjoy the Jidori at Huckleberry. But half the time the lines are too long, and the other half it seems like they've run out by the time I get there.

                            2. hey, where's bouchon? versailles? i can help!

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                              1. re: raizans

                                Hi raizans,

                                I know, I know. Sorry, they were on my extended list... at some point we realized it was futile to track down all the great Roast Chickens in this city. (>_<) Thanks for the reminder. :)

                              2. Another roast chicken to try is the whole rotisserie chicken from Vallarta market. I've only tried it at the Vallarta on Victory in North Hollywood, but it was excellent. The ones I've had there were better than Zankou or Costco, which had been my go-to places for whole chickens. I think the entire chicken is $6 or $7.

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                                1. re: Jwsel

                                  Hi Jwsel,

                                  Thanks. I pass by a Vallarta market every so often. Do you know if they put out their Roast Chicken at specific times of the day? (e.g., first thing in the morning? During Lunch hour? etc.?)

                                  1. re: exilekiss

                                    Sorry I missed this until today. I honestly don't know their timing. The chickens are not put out in containers like at Costco or supermarkets. The carniceria has a rotisserie and when you order one, they pull it out of the oven and bag it either as a whole chicken or cut up.

                                    By the way, I loved the review. I remember the first time I went to Melisse and saw someone order the roast chicken . When we read the menu, none of us could believe anyone would pay that much for a chicken, but then it came out for the carving and we were in awe. The next trip, we ordered it ourselves. It truly was excellent. (Though if I'm going to order a dish for two with a supplement, my favorite is the cote de boeuf.)

                                2. What a wonderful report, as always. Now I have Chicken on my mind. While I have been to several on your list, there are many others to try ( Thank you ! ) May I suggest that the best roast chicken is one that is made at home. Growing up in my family it was a dinner for a King...

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                                  1. re: Foodandwine

                                    Hi Foodandwine,

                                    Thank you. Yes! I've had the honor of having some great Roast Chickens in the homes of some of my dear friends' families. A great homemade Roast Chicken is hard to beat.

                                  2. Instant classic e-kiss! May be one of the top posts of all time. Great job. Since you crowned Rustic Canyon as the best (and it is excellent I agree), I'm curious as to where the poulet roti at Bouchon and Church and State would rank.

                                    And if you're ever in SF, try the roast chicken at Zuni.

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                                    1. re: Porthos

                                      Would also like to know how the above compares to Zuni, as the LA Times frequently makes reference to their roast chicken.

                                      1. re: Porthos

                                        Hi Porthos,

                                        Doumo! You give me too much credit. _(._.)_ Which Bouchon are you referring to? I've only had the Chicken at Bouchon Beverly Hills once (during opening week), and it wasn't very good. I've enjoyed my meals at Bouchon Las Vegas (but never had the Roast Chicken there).

                                        Church & State: Ah, I'm so sad I never got to try their Roast Chicken before Chef Manzke left. Is it just as good with the current Chef?

                                        Thanks for the SF rec. I'll definitely keep it in mind the next time I visit. :)

                                      2. Thank you to you and your hounds for this research! Both this, and the burger battle, both end with Rustic Canyon at the top (or near), who knew?

                                        My favorite roast chicken is at Catch (Casa del Mar Hotel). It's perfect.

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                                        1. re: yogachik

                                          Hi yogachik,

                                          I know! I'm so pleasantly surprised; I have to give credit, where credit's due. :) If you try Rustic Canyon's Roast Chicken, please let us know what you think. :)

                                          Re: Catch (Casa del Mar Hotel) - Wow, I drive by all the time. Who knew they had a great Roast Chicken? Thanks for the recommendation.

                                        2. You are truly the Champion of the Battles! Burgers, Chicken, what is next? I like the salad idea or maybe a french toast battle, Italian sub battle, cheesecake battle. Bring it on Exile!

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                                          1. re: Burger Boy

                                            I'd like to request a Chinese-style steamed fish battle! I'll gladly participate :)

                                            1. re: maiweezy

                                              how about a vegetarian battle?

                                            2. re: Burger Boy

                                              Hi Burger Boy,

                                              No, no, no! I'm done! I can't bring myself to think of food for a while. :) [Flees into a corner...]

                                              1. re: Burger Boy

                                                Definitely a French Toast battle would be horribly unhealthy, carbs galore plus fat = instant waistline expansion.

                                                On the other hand, I'd have new places to go to brunch with when my GFs favorite breakfast food is French Toast.

                                              2. I believe we now have the definitive answer to the timeless question of "Why did exilekiss cross the road?" ;-D> (and, if when asked what it tasted like, can be forgiven for the automatic reply of "Tastes like...")

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                                                1. re: Servorg

                                                  Hi Servorg,

                                                  :)

                                                  What are some of your favorite Roast Chickens you've found in L.A.? Thanks.

                                                  1. re: exilekiss

                                                    It's really not something I get while we are out. Most of the time we will pick up a roast chicken from Costco and my wife picks it apart for homemade chicken salad and the bones will get made into chicken stock. So I don't have a beak in this fight. I will say that doing something like this would not appeal to me, (but it does make for interesting reading). It would simply ruin what otherwise is one of my greatest joys in life (eating - and eating out). I just don't want to make my enjoyable hobby into work... ;-D>

                                                    1. re: Servorg

                                                      Hi Servorg,

                                                      I totally get what you're saying. :) I think this is my last Battle for a long time, if ever. I enjoy eating and love food, but when I hit the 44th visit to eat Roast Chicken in this battle, I hit a brick wall. :( (I may have hit the brick wall earlier, but I definitely couldn't go on by the 44th time. :)

                                                2. WOW! It was such an honor to be a part of this and so fun to read your review, as always. How funny that two of the best roast chickens in LA would end up kitty corner from each other in Santa Monica. It's also a relief to have finally stopped sweating chicken fat.

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                                                  1. re: mollyomormon

                                                    It's also a relief to have finally stopped sweating chicken fat.
                                                    ~~~~~~~~~~~
                                                    LOL! well it was all in the name of good chow, and your fellow Hounds are indebted to you for it :)

                                                    1. re: mollyomormon

                                                      Hi mollyomormon,

                                                      It was an honor having you help with the judging! :) Thank you! :)

                                                      Yah, it's really strange and cool that they're just across the street from each other. :) Definitely some great Roast Chicken at both places. :) So... time for a Pork Belly Battle??? (j/k!)

                                                      1. re: exilekiss

                                                        hahahaha, I must be really hungry because "Pork Belly Battle" has a nice ring to it right now ;).

                                                    2. Great review, as always.

                                                      Regarding, Pollo a La Brasa, Jonathan Gold lists another location for Pollo a LA Brasa in Gardena:

                                                      Pollo a LA Brasa
                                                      16527 S. Vermont Ave
                                                      Gardena
                                                      310 715-2494

                                                      Another Chowhound thread said that the Gardena location is run by the brother of the owner of the Koreatown location.

                                                      I've eaten at both Pollo a La Brasa -- they both have the same menu -- and I like the Gardena location beter. I've gotten consistently more cispy skin and better smoke flavor at Gardena.

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                                                      1. re: Norm Man

                                                        Thanks for the tip about the Pollo a La Brasa Gardena Location, I am sure to soon check it out..

                                                        1. re: Norm Man

                                                          Hi Norm Man,

                                                          Thank you. Oh that's good to know.

                                                          When I asked the older lady at the counter at the Western Pollo Ala Brasa about "any other locations," she shook her head and said that this is the only one. I guess in hindsight, she probably meant that this is the only branch they "run / operate" perhaps.

                                                          I'll have to try the Gardena location. :) Thanks.

                                                          1. re: Norm Man

                                                            I went to this Pollo a La Brasa location today for lunch based on this thread, and I can say that it was absolutely superb. Extremely smokey flavor and a great bargain as well. I would highly recommend it and cannot wait to return.

                                                            Thanks for posting this thread or I never would have tried it. I am grateful for all the efforts!!

                                                            1. re: doug5551

                                                              Doug5551, you ate at Pollo a La Brasa's Gardena location?

                                                              1. re: Norm Man

                                                                Yes, it is the Gardena location I tried. I arrived at 11:15 am, before the lunch rush, and service was almost instantaneous. I got the whole chicken plus two sides for $13.90. I highly recommend everyone check this place out. It really is a cheap place worth travelling for...!

                                                                1. re: doug5551

                                                                  Thanks for the clarification.

                                                                  Doug5551, have you tried the original Pollo a La Brasa location on Western Ave in Koreatown?

                                                                  As I stated above, I like Pollo a La Brasa's Gardena location better than its Koreatown location -- smokier chicken and consistently crisper skin.

                                                                  1. re: Norm Man

                                                                    I have not tried the location on Western in Koreatown. I work for the City of Carson, and the Gardena location is about 2 miles from the border of the city. I am very grateful your recommendation led me to try it out. I cant wait to go back, and recommend everyone give it a try...as your description is spot on!

                                                          2. Wow, thanks for all your hard work and "hard eating", must have been tough to stomach all that overcooked breast!

                                                            I'm definitely hitting up Rustic Canyon soon!

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                                                            1. re: Johnny L

                                                              Hi Johnny L,

                                                              It's really hard looking at another Roast Chicken right now. :) I think I have to go on a Roast Chicken Fast (like my Burger Fast) for a bit...

                                                              Please be sure to report back on your meal at Rustic Canyon. I hope you enjoy their Jidori Roast Chicken there. :)

                                                            2. The really good stuff is at Juan Pollo, mostly Inland Empire. Go here for pictures and locations: http://www.juanpollo.com/.

                                                              -cy

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                                                              1. re: youngc

                                                                I love Love LOVE Juan Pollo ~~ for the chicken and the most amazing freshly prepared potato salad anywhere.

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                                                                Juan Pollo
                                                                2233 N Garey Ave, Pomona, CA 91767

                                                              2. Great report!

                                                                I'd add Gulfstream in Century City...I had their roast chicken (1/2) with sauteed spinach the other day...one of the best I've had recently...at $19 a relative bargain.

                                                                Bouchon has been mixed...great chicken on first visit, virtually inedible a couple months ago.

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                                                                Gulfstream
                                                                10250 Santa Monica Blvd 656, Los Angeles, CA

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                                                                1. re: manku

                                                                  Hi manku,

                                                                  Thank you for the recommendation for Gulfstream. That's inside the Century City Mall right? (I've never bothered to try any restaurants in the mall, figuring that they'd probably be more "mall fare" than anything.) I'll be sure to try it the next time I stop by.

                                                                  Bouchon: Ah that's unfortunate. I had it once during opening week and found it disappointing, and was hoping it'd get better with time. Bummer.

                                                                2. Sheesh - where the heck have you been? :) Chotto shinpaishitayo! Your monumental posts (burgers/Iliad and this one/Odyssey) truly read like epic journeys - Homer (the Greek one, not the D'Oh! one) cowers in your shadow (and appetite)! The scale of your samplings undeniably back your results. In short, I think your conclusion pans out the importance of focus, technique and quality - the Holy Trinity of excellence.

                                                                  My wife frequently works out in Northridge and grabs a couple of birds at Bonano's about every month or two. The fries are plentiful but they're In-N-Out x 3 in terms of size and "softness." I consider them an afterthought and can't justify eating them just for the caloric intake alone (okay, I'll eat a couple :)). We really like the seasoning and the smokiness on their birds but you've pointed out the the main issue of the roaster hitting to much on certain parts of the bird. I'm a thigh-guy so I'm usually safe (lots of fat and moisture in that part), but the legs can get roasted to the point of being dry and hard - so can the wings. You've also brought up something that I've never quite been able to put my finger on as well - there's something about their birds that doesn't quite sing (or cluck) chicken as loudly as I'd want - maybe it's the heavy dose of smoke. But in the end, when I get home from work and I can smell the roast and smoke, I'm ready to eat. Maybe I need a tastebud overhaul? Kudos on your Hall-of-Fame level commitment on this one!

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                                                                  1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                    Hi bulavinaka,

                                                                    Gomen ne! :( I had to take care of some things. You are, once again, too kind. :)

                                                                    So you've run into the overdried / burnt Legs and Wings at Bonano's as well? Yah, that and some extreme smokiness just made it so it was something I didn't want to eat all the time.

                                                                    Give Rustic Canyon's version a try and let me know what you think. :)

                                                                  2. WOW, I bow to you, exilekiss, for this epic work of houndliness! Can't wait to try Rustic Canyon for their chicken and the burger. I love the lemon and garlic roast chicken at El Criollo in Van Nuys. Very flavorful and juicy. While I had a short love affair with Pollo ala Brasa, the high MSG and salt content gets to me now.

                                                                    Maxwell's in Chatsworth is my most recent charbroiled chicken find. 1/2 chicken with a side salad and fries for $5.99. The skin is flabby and it's a little heavy on the seasoning salt, but the meat is very juicy and it's a great deal price-wise. I prefer it over Bonano's or Sevan for chicken in the same area (Northridge - Chatsworth).

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                                                                    El Criollo
                                                                    6622 Van Nuys Blvd, Van Nuys, CA 91405

                                                                    Maxwell's Burgers & Hotdogs
                                                                    21418 Nordhoff St, Chatsworth, CA 91311

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                                                                    1. re: maiweezy

                                                                      Hi maiweezy,

                                                                      No, no. I can only hope this is useful to someone out there. :) Yes, please let us know what you think of the Rustic Canyon Roast Chicken.

                                                                      Thanks for the rec on El Criollo. Which Roast Chicken did you enjoy there? Looking at their menu, they have 2: Their Pollo Criollo? or their Pollo Asado? Thanks!

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                                                                      El Criollo
                                                                      6622 Van Nuys Blvd, Van Nuys, CA 91405

                                                                    2. And he's back, thankfully! Let me add that Dino's parboils their chickens.

                                                                      1. :shock: :awe: :eek:

                                                                        must be another ExileKiss review. Nice having yah back, great review!

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                                                                        1. re: ns1

                                                                          Hi ns1,

                                                                          Thanks. :) Any ns1 favorites for perfect Roast Chicken in LA / OC? :)

                                                                          1. re: exilekiss

                                                                            I settle for 9.19 whole chickens @ Zankou Toluca Lake. I hate costco chickens.

                                                                        2. Zankou @ Toluca Lake is hit or miss on crunchy chicken skin.

                                                                          1. Wasn't Rustic Canyon one of the top choices in your Burger Wars?

                                                                            Also, I noticed on Saturday night that Waterloo & City is doing a whole chicken now too. Guess they are responding to A-Frame's chix. (Although I'm NOT recommending that anyone new visit this place; it's too crowded already. Thx;)

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                                                                            A-Frame
                                                                            12565 Washington Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90066, USA

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                                                                            1. re: ElissaInPlaya

                                                                              Hi ElissaInPlaya,

                                                                              Yah, Rustic Canyon also had one of my favorite Burgers in the Gourmet Burger Battle. I'm really shocked. But, just in case I was losing my mind, both Noah and mollyomormon also found Rustic Canyon's Roast Chicken to be the clear winner. It was so good. And they've been consistent so far, which I'm happy about (wonderful crisp Chicken Skin, juicy, luscious Chicken Breast and dark meat). Just a consistently enjoyable dish in every way. :)

                                                                              Waterloo & City: I'm so sad! (;_;) I think that's the 500th restaurant I forgot to include in this Roast Chicken Battle. I'll be sure to report back if I can bring myself to eat a Roast Chicken again in the near future. :) If you go, please let us know what you think of it.

                                                                              1. re: exilekiss

                                                                                I was somewhat skeptical going into Rustic Canyon for some reason, but it was easily the best! It just had every element of perfect roast chicken and, not that this matters, but the veggies sides on which it was served were also incredibly good.

                                                                            2. Thank you for another epic post! Can't wait to try Pollo Ala Brasa, among others.

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                                                                              1. re: Nicole

                                                                                Hi Nicole,

                                                                                Thank you. :) What did you think of Rustic Canyon's Jidori Roast Chicken?

                                                                                1. re: exilekiss

                                                                                  I haven't had the chicken at Rustic Canyon, or any of the upscale roast chickens on your list. Our roast chicken eating has mostly been inexpensive Peruvian and Middle Eastern preparations. Our current favorite is Chicken Dijon, but that's partly due to convenience (best in our local area), rather than an exhaustive search of the type you conducted.

                                                                              2. Great report! Ambitious, yes. Absurd? No!
                                                                                Please keep it up - you're providing a great service and an invaluable resource!

                                                                                1. Amazing, exilekiss! I was wondering when we'd next see a posting from you...and you never disappoint. This was a terrific report. Thanks for your hard work!

                                                                                  1. That was a fun read. I always feel intimidated though because of my abbreviated posts. But, that won't stop me from giving a plug to Cafe Bizou for their roasted 1/2 chicken. It has been a while and I know they don't get a lot of Chow love but my husband loves their roasted chicken! Since I do live in Pasadena, we do put up with Zankou on a semi-regular basis. Kind of like McDonalds in that you know what to expect, sometimes-well, maybe many times, yes, it is overcooked but I stick to the dark meat.

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                                                                                    Cafe Bizou
                                                                                    91 N Raymond Ave, Pasadena, CA 91103

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                                                                                    1. re: Fru

                                                                                      Hi Fru,

                                                                                      Don't ever feel intimidated to give a recommendation! :) Wow, Cafe Bizou. I visit my Pasadena Hounds every so often and I always drive by. I'll have to try their Roast Chicken the next time I'm there. :) Have you had their Chicken during Lunch and Dinner? Any difference in quality?

                                                                                    2. Wow.

                                                                                      Thanks for your tireless work and sacrifice. One of these days I've really got to try Pollo a la Brasa.

                                                                                      I wish you'd been able to include Versailles (I think someone else mentioned it upthread) in your survey. It is well-regarded for its garlicky Cuban chicken. It's been several years since I was there, but I remember it being extremely delicious, with a very well-rendered skin.

                                                                                      I'd also be curious where Pollo Campero fits in (as well as Pasadena's El Pollo Unico).

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                                                                                      1. re: Jack Flash

                                                                                        Hi Jack Flash,

                                                                                        I'd love to know your thoughts on Pollo Ala Brasa (Western). :)

                                                                                        Versailles: Yah, it was on my extended list and I just couldn't consume that much Chicken without some permanent damage. :) Like you, I remember I enjoyed Versailles' Chicken years ago... I think the last time I went was ~5-6 years ago?

                                                                                        I've tried Pollo Campero once a few years ago and thought it was ~OK. Is El Pollo Unico similar?

                                                                                      2. Great read, exilekiss. Glad to see you back.

                                                                                        Roast chicken is indeed so hard to get perfectly right, and it's so subjective as people love it for differing reasons as you point out.

                                                                                        If you selected something like broasted chicken or roast duck, I would've joined you, and the battle would've been a raging success. :-)

                                                                                        1. I will add my voice to the masses in welcoming you back on this board, exile...

                                                                                          I'll preface my response by saying that I don't generally like eating roasted chicken in the U.S. Mass production methods, antibiotics, hormones, etc. all impart a "rubbery" flavor to 98% of the chicken I've tried in L.A.

                                                                                          In fact, the first thing I try to eat when I go to Asia or Europe is chicken - Chicken that still tastes like chicken.

                                                                                          BUT, in the course of dining out so much for business, I have had more than my share of restaurant roast chickens. Having actually eaten the roast chicken at Rustic Canyon and at Melisse, I'd say that Chef Giselle Wellman's (absolutely perfect) Roasted Jidori Chicken at Petrossian beats both. Of course, it is accompanied by a fantastic house-made pasta with arugula, citron and XO vinegar, but even if I judged the dish on the merits of the chicken alone - I'd go back.

                                                                                          Petrossian's roasted chicken restored my faith in finding good chicken in the U.S. Funny it took a caviar restaurant to do that, but it did.

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                                                                                          Petrossian
                                                                                          321 N Robertson Blvd, Beverly Hills, CA

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                                                                                          1. re: J.L.

                                                                                            Attaching a photo of the roasted Jidori chicken at Petrossian...

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                                                                                            Petrossian
                                                                                            321 N Robertson Blvd, Beverly Hills, CA

                                                                                             
                                                                                            1. re: J.L.

                                                                                              Hi J.L.,

                                                                                              Wow, Petrossian's Jidori Roast Chicken looks and sounds wonderful. High praise coming from you. :) I'm going to have to try it when I can eat Chicken again. When I heard that Petrossian lost Chef Bailly, it dropped a few spots from my "Try List." Now I can't wait to go soon. :) Thanks.

                                                                                              1. re: exilekiss

                                                                                                You'll find that Chef Wellman is more than an adequate to fill Chef Bailly's shoes.

                                                                                                1. re: J.L.

                                                                                                  Hi J.L.,

                                                                                                  Thanks. Do you know if Chef Wellman does a tasting menu? Or did you order all your dishes separately?

                                                                                                  1. re: exilekiss

                                                                                                    Here is lizzee's report:

                                                                                                    http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/768804

                                                                                                    1. re: exilekiss

                                                                                                      Petrossian offered us a 10th Anniversary $75pp four-course caviar tasting menu. Mrs. J.L. chose that option, but I went a la carte with my dinner options. One of my picks was the Jidori Roasted Chicken.

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                                                                                                      Petrossian
                                                                                                      321 N Robertson Blvd, Beverly Hills, CA

                                                                                              2. I will say this: the BEST roasted chickens I've had in these parts, in recent memory, are the ones I've made myself. I'm sure it's due in no small part to the chicken I use...from Dey Dey's Best Beef Ever (and Chicken, too), sold at the Pasadena Farmers' market. Theirs is a true pasture-raised chicken They get to eat what chickens really eat...bugs & stuff they find on the ground, in addition to their regular diet. The result is a pinkish meat, the color of which is kinda shocking at first. But it tastes like chicken, because it's real chicken.

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                                                                                                1. re: Jack Flash

                                                                                                  Completely agree that well-made food at home will trump restaurant versions on almost every occasion.

                                                                                                  ... but we're talking about comparing restaurant-prepared roasted chickens.

                                                                                                  1. re: J.L.

                                                                                                    the battle is, however, instructive to the home cook. it looks like gjelina cuts each half off the carcass and roasts them separately. melisse trusses up the chicken and roasts it twice, once for the white meat, once for the dark meat. finally, rustic canyon halves the carcass like gjelina, but seems to use the brick technique to even out cooking times.

                                                                                                  2. re: Jack Flash

                                                                                                    Hi Jack Flash,

                                                                                                    That sounds lovely. Is Dey Dey's always at the Pasadena Farmer's Market every week?

                                                                                                    And how are their Natural Beef cuts? Thanks.

                                                                                                    1. re: exilekiss

                                                                                                      They are at the Pasadena Farmer's Market every week. I just used their chicken in soup, delicious. However, it is a bit disconcerting because of pastured chicken having a more well developed vascular system, there was a lot more "stuff" to skim. I use their ground beef, top sirloin steak , "chuck o' bone", and flat iron steak on a regular basis. I have purchased their short ribs however since the breed of cow is small, the short ribs are small which I find lacking because I either use them in soup which takes a lot of work to pull apart once cooked and braised dishes which makes smaller portions. They have many organ items and make great jerkey.

                                                                                                      1. re: Fru

                                                                                                        Beat me to the punch on the reply; thanks. Interesting about the soup (I've never tried making chicken soup, so I wouldn't know). I recommend the beef as well; my personal favorite, when I can afford it, is the bone-in NY (called a Cattleman's steak).

                                                                                                        1. re: Fru

                                                                                                          Hi Fru, Jack Flash,

                                                                                                          Thanks. I can't wait to stop by the Pasadena Farmers Market and try their Chicken and Beef now. :)

                                                                                                          For their 100% Grass Fed Beef, have you noticed a distinct (good) beefiness and flavor that sets it apart from the regular Grass Fed Beef in places like Whole Foods?

                                                                                                          And for organs, then that means they sell Organic, 100% Grass Fed Beef Hearts? Interesting. :)

                                                                                                          1. re: exilekiss

                                                                                                            I haven't tried the grass fed beef at WF, so I can't compare. But it does have a very distinctive flavor (and texture, too) that is different from standard, grain-fed beef which I usually buy at HOWS (which itself is better than most supermarket beef). I have looked at the grass-fed beef sold at WF, and I think Dey Dey's tends to have more marbling.

                                                                                                            1. re: exilekiss

                                                                                                              I had not tried grass fed until trying Dey Dey's. Opinions on taste I have heard over the years made me shy away from it. In talking to John, he told me that it depends on what the animal is grazing on. I can honestly say that all the beef I have purchased from him has been nothing but delicious and flavorful and yes, still with plenty of marbling. You definitely need to cook it less, just like they say!

                                                                                                      2. Not at the high end but El Pollo Inka in Lawndale has a good wood roasted Pollo a Brasa for $7.95 a 1/2 chicken and $13.95 for a whole. The Lawndale location is the only one that uses a wood rotisserie.
                                                                                                        http://www.elpolloinka.com/flash/loca...

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                                                                                                        El Pollo Inka
                                                                                                        15400 Hawthorne Blvd, Lawndale, CA 90260

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                                                                                                        1. re: wienermobile

                                                                                                          Hi wienermobile,

                                                                                                          Thanks for the tip. Does the Lawndale location have good turnover? Any times of day where you've found that they're moving a lot of Roast Chickens? Or is it like Pollo Ala Brasa (all times of day are safe)?

                                                                                                          1. re: exilekiss

                                                                                                            Good turnover especially weekends and the roast chicken is also used in many menu items. Thanks again for really taking one for the team.

                                                                                                            1. re: wienermobile

                                                                                                              "Thanks again for really taking one for the team"

                                                                                                              I am going to venture a guess that this was the equivalent of taking a "thousand" for the team... ;-D>

                                                                                                        2. Wow! Thanks for the comprehensive roasted chicken survey. That's wonderful.

                                                                                                          On the other hand, if I am going spend $24 or $30 for a half of a chicken, it had been better change my life! Yikes!

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                                                                                                          1. re: EarlyBird

                                                                                                            Hi EarlyBird,

                                                                                                            Thanks. Totally understand. Value is definitely an important factor for many. That's why I still have friends who are perfectly happy with only having to spend $4.99 for a whole Rotisserie Chicken from Costco (nothing wrong with that). :) Only each individual person can answer the question of if one Roast Chicken is worth many times the price of another Chicken they can get elsewhere. But I'd have to say after trying so many Roast Chickens, I'd be happy to eat less of it, but save up and eat higher quality.

                                                                                                            Let us know if you end up trying some of these places on the list. :)

                                                                                                          2. Wow. This is spectacular. I went through a whole period of my life where it seemed a "waste" to order chicken in high-end chef driven restaurants. That changed in the late 90's, in of all places, Vincenti. I went there a lot and know the owners and I was 'forced' to try a simple roast chicken made by Gino Angelini in their wood oven. OMG. Like an omelette, any chef worth their clogs should be able to make a roast chicken and now I always try the chicken at every fancy place I go...or at least trick a companion into ordering it so I can taste. ;)

                                                                                                            100% agree with Rustic Canyon, Melisse and A-Frame. The westside is my wheelhouse and I've had all those. Though righ now a little partial to A-Frame but that is probably just the honeymoon period I am in with them.

                                                                                                            However, your most impressive observations/analysis may be of Reddi Chick. I love, LOVE, Reddi Chick, but it has nothing to do with the chicken. I grew up on it and it was often the only thing I wanted to eat when I was sick growing up. But the chicken is just, well, fine. I crave the fries seasoned with Lawry's Season Salt just as much as the chicken and sitting in that courtyard...you could feed me sauteed cardboard and I might not notice as I would too busy reminiscing. I wish Reddi Chick was better, but it's not. Nicely done.

                                                                                                            And a quick note to anyone still reading. When you are out doing your own roast chicken extravaganza and you end up with a Costco, or Von's or whatever megamart roast chicken that ends up just too well done. Make chicken tacos out of it. This has saved my 7 dollars many a time.

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                                                                                                            Vincenti Restaurant
                                                                                                            11930 San Vicente Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90049

                                                                                                            A-Frame
                                                                                                            12565 Washington Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90066, USA

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                                                                                                            1. re: ellaystingray

                                                                                                              Hi ellaystingray,

                                                                                                              Thank you. :) Your note about the Roast Chicken at Vincenti got me excited! And then I remember Chef Angelini isn't at Vincenti anymore, and I don't see it on the menu (on their website). :( Do you know if they still serve a Roast Chicken, and if they do, how does it compare?

                                                                                                              Re: Reddi Chick - Yah, the lovely little courtyard on a sunny day is hard to beat. :) These days, I'm happy to hang out there with something from Sweet Rose Creamery instead. :)

                                                                                                            2. hurray you are back!!!! im so happy. as soon as i started reading this post i realized it was one of yours... i trust your taste, and agree with pretty much most of what you recommend.

                                                                                                              anyway, i agree the zankous around town are very different, but like you, the west LA branch is the best one ive found. i think the sauce has egg whites in it... maybe. but that wouldnt (necessarily, depending on how its defined) mean that its vegetarian... interesting!

                                                                                                              cant wait to try rustic canyons chicken! and, welcome back. really, you were missed.

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                                                                                                              1. re: elnora

                                                                                                                Hi elnora,

                                                                                                                Thanks, you're too kind. :) Re: Zankou's Garlic Spread - Oh? It has Egg Whites in it? Good to know. The 3 different people I asked at the cash register on different visits all kept saying, "It's vegetarian. And dairy-free." Thanks for the clarification.

                                                                                                                And definitely give Rustic Canyon's Jidori Roast Chicken a try and report back if you can. I hope you enjoy it. :)

                                                                                                                1. re: elnora

                                                                                                                  I have a container of "authentic garlic sauce" in the fridge, which is pretty identical to Zankou's sauce. I buy it at an Armenian market and it's made by Beorig Bakery in Pasadena. Ingredients listed are: Fresh raw garlic, Salt, Citric Acid, Soy Bean Oil. I am not a fan of Zankou's chicken, so it's been years since I've been there, so I haven't done any comparing of the two garlic sauces, but this is pretty darn close--looks the same, same texture, and tastes the same to me.

                                                                                                                2. I've not had it, but I hear that Josie does the dry brining technique on their chicken. It's the source, iirc, of the LA Time's dry brining method of cooking roast turkey for thanksgiving. It's a process I've used the past two years at thanksgiving to phenomenal success, and I feel I have to go to the restaurant to try the chicken since the turkey in 'their' style has been so good to me at home.

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                                                                                                                  1. re: jadekarrde

                                                                                                                    That came from Zuni Cafe in SF and their famous chicken..adapted for Turkey. Gotta make it up there one of these day's.

                                                                                                                    1. re: AAQjr

                                                                                                                      Exile--Wonderful report. I want to echo the praise deservedly lavished on you. 2 things stuck out for me: 1) Most of the roast chicken in this town is not worth trying and 2) Recommendations from other hounds don't guarantee anything.
                                                                                                                      I've tried only 2 on your list--Costco, which is a good value but always too salty and the original Pollo A La Brasa on Western and 8th, which is always tasty but leaves me wanting crispier skin and a second, less doctored up version.
                                                                                                                      I'd love to buy my chickens at Healthy Family Farms but I'm too cheap right now to do it. $20+ for a bird elevates a simple dinner to special occasion faire.

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                                                                                                                      Pollo A La Brasa
                                                                                                                      16527 S Vermont Ave, Gardena, CA 90247

                                                                                                                      1. re: Wolfgang

                                                                                                                        Hi Wolfgang,

                                                                                                                        Thanks. :) Yah, I also hope for a crisper skin version at Polllo Ala Brasa (I've gotten it with slightly crisped skin once or twice only). Most of the time it's not crisped (but still delicious).

                                                                                                                        I still want to try Healthy Family Farms' Chicken; hopefully I can pick it up at the Santa Monica or Hollywood Farmers Market soon.

                                                                                                                  2. We split off some cooking techniques for roasting chicken at home to a new thread on our Home Cooking board. You can find that thread here: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/774520

                                                                                                                    1. I just love crisp-skinned roasted chicken. So based on your recommendation, I went to Rustic Canyon last night and ordered the Jidori Chicken. I usually go for their marvelous burger, but made the special trip from the San Fernando Valley to specifically try the chicken. I was not disappointed. The chicken was everything you said it was - wonderful crispy skin, moist breast, and juicy leg and thigh. Lots of great flavor. This is truly the best roasted chicken I've had. Thank you ExileKiss.

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                                                                                                                      1. re: omakase

                                                                                                                        Hi omakase,

                                                                                                                        Thank you for the report back! :) It's great to hear how your dinner went and I'm glad to know Rustic Canyon's Jidori Roast Chicken was enjoyable for you (I love the crisped skin and juicy white meat)! :)

                                                                                                                      2. Sams Club puts out a better chicken that Costco, not rubbery but cooked to perfection and I like the seasoning better

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                                                                                                                        1. re: hbgypsy

                                                                                                                          Hi hbgypsy,

                                                                                                                          Thanks for the info. Is the Sams Club Roast Chicken the same price as Costco's?

                                                                                                                          1. re: exilekiss

                                                                                                                            I tried a Vallarta Market chicken today. I like the flavor and larger size chicken at Costco much more and it's $2.00 cheaper. I'll probably toss the rest of the Vallarta chicken. Waste of stomach space.

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                                                                                                                            563 W Ventura St, Fillmore, CA 93015

                                                                                                                            1. re: exilekiss

                                                                                                                              I can't remember....but it is cheap and better than the average store bought roasted chicken and a WHOLE lot better than Costco. I can't wait to see the FRIED chicken wars! Keep me tuned in!

                                                                                                                          2. An epic Battle Royale! Congratulations. While I do shudder to see Costco in this mix, lousy bird no matter the price,(and if so, then Whole Foods should be graded as well) and notwithstanding my less than satisfactory Zankou experience, I find it revealing and a little sad that in the end it is the high end restaurants that take the top 3 spots (and 4th as well, as we can put A Frame in that category). Roast chicken strikes me as a great street food dish as well as a standard bistro item, and to pay ridiculous prices for perfection of an easy dish to prepare just seems wrong.

                                                                                                                            I will be thankfully trying a few of your working man joints mentioned.

                                                                                                                            1. I've recently had two terrific chickens in town I wanted to alert everyone to. Also, exilekiss , I mentioned you on my blog today:

                                                                                                                              onfoodandfilm.com

                                                                                                                              Hope that is ok!

                                                                                                                              The chickens:

                                                                                                                              THE KITCHEN - terrific half roast chicken, with a wonderful garlickly gremolata on top. I like The Kitchen very much, they try different things and it usually pays off. This was a superior chicken. Great skin, very juicy, lovely sauce all around.

                                                                                                                              MUSSO & FRANKS - I've been many times and never tried any of their chickens. I had to try one today and it was superb. Their Whole Roast Boneless Garlic Chicken. Seriously, folks, this is one of the best in town.The skin was incredible, you can eat the entire thing, as it was indeed boneless but looks like a perfect roast chicken right out of the oven. The plate was swimming in a terrific au jus and it had roasted garlic cloves everywhere. I was not expecting it to be this good.

                                                                                                                              1. Does anyone know what happened to exilekiss? I really miss his outstanding in-depth reviews.

                                                                                                                                Mr Taster

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                                                                                                                                1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                                                  Some of you hounds went on these food missions with him/her and know his/her real name...right?

                                                                                                                                  1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                                                    His blog profile contains an email address (exilekiss@yahoo.com).

                                                                                                                                    1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                      already emailed, no response.

                                                                                                                                    2. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                                                      I took a vow of silence on this one...

                                                                                                                                      1. re: J.L.

                                                                                                                                        Not sure what this means?

                                                                                                                                        Mr Taster

                                                                                                                                        1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                                                          I know, but can't tell. Forget I said anything... :-|

                                                                                                                                          1. re: J.L.

                                                                                                                                            Regardless - if you can, please send him our warm regards and we wish him the best - don't be a stranger... _(._.)_

                                                                                                                                            1. re: J.L.

                                                                                                                                              It's so sad. He was such a enthusiastic contributor. It's strange to just have such a vibrant presence vanish so abruptly. The mysteriousness of your answer makes it all the more unsettling. Honestly J.L., I wish you hadn't said anything at all.

                                                                                                                                              Mr Taster

                                                                                                                                              1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                                                                "Honestly J.L., I wish you hadn't said anything at all."

                                                                                                                                                seriously.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: ns1

                                                                                                                                                  Maybe J.L is exilekiss' doppelganger?

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: ipsedixit

                                                                                                                                                    Not enough fahrvergnügen...

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                      More like "fressenvergnügen" ...

                                                                                                                                                      "Fressenvergnügen: It's what makes J.L. a Chowhound."

                                                                                                                                        2. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                                                          Me too, and not just here, on his blog too. The sad thing is that the free image hosting bandwidth limits have been exceeded on some of his older posts, so the great sushi pictures (among others) no longer display on his old reviews. :(

                                                                                                                                          1. re: PeterCC

                                                                                                                                            I believe all the photos are back up and working (as far as I know)

                                                                                                                                            1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                              Yes, it looks like it! Thanks! Perhaps Photobucket resets the bandwidth counter each month or something.