What in the world is "ham type flavor"?

[alkapal]

In a seasoning packet that came with some black eyed peas, this "ham type flavor" was listed as an ingredient. What in the world is that? I've heard of ham "flavor," but ham "type" flavor? whew!

[Kajikit]

Nothing I want to eat, that's for sure! (shudders)

[sunshine842]

I think ham-type flavor goes well with pasteurized processed cheese food and fortified wine product.

Enough chemicals on a plate to start your own chemistry lab!

[alkapal]

fortified wine product?

is that "marsala-type flavor"?

[sunshine842]

http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/630467

[alkapal]

oooooohhhhhhhheeeeeeeuuuuuuuuwwwwwwwww.

[porker]

My uncle isn't a wine-product kind of guy, but he loves his malt beverage...

[alkapal]

malt-like beverage?

[porker]

I was hinting at the fact that "malt beverage" is a catch-all name for generally poor quality swill along the same lines as "wine-product" ...or as the Urban Dictionary says,
"High-powered, cheap source of booze-based amusement when one has only thirty dollars until payday. Seven dollars buys a lot of time-killing fun."
I was also trying to conjure a parallel comparison between a wine-snob and a beer guy, but in this case, a wine-product snob and a malt beverage guy, both of whom might be considered sub-par in their tastes...

But alas, my weak attempt at humour likely fails...{;-/)

[alkapal]

well, the sad fact is that "malt beverage" i've heard of for a long time, but never a "wine product." in the past, i heard of them as "wine coolers."

[sunshine842]

yeah, I can't imagine how bad is has to be to earn the name "wine product" -- Drano might have a better mouthfeel.

[porker]

If you read the ingredient list, you'll notice it states "Drano less than 0.4% as stabaliser"

[sunshine842]

ROFL

[LorenM]

If it's anything like the ham flavor packet in 15 Bean Soup, it's not terrible but I would rather use some chicken base and throw in a few cheap smoked ham hocks and maybe a little bacon grease. On second thought, the packet might be better for you! Lol!

[Querencia]

Ask a chemist.

[Cheese Boy]

Shoot !! It didn't occur to me until NOW that the flavoring might actually be completely ARTIFICIAL. I'm thinking smoke flavor etc where at least the essence is extracted. Wasn't thinking chemicals.

[alkapal]

querencia, that's what i am doing. there are chemists on these boards.

[vafarmwife]

My ham type flavor comes from the scraps and grease from cooking a country ham. I chill the grease, cut it up, and freeze it in cubes. When I need ham flavoring for green beans, greens, or brown beans, I put a couple of cubes in. However I doubt this is what the package is talking about LOL.

[alkapal]

i like your idea of saving the ham fat scraps. usually, though, i just get a piece of the country ham to add in.
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actually, today, i might use half the peas to make the feta, scallion and spinach soup with quinoa recipe i just saw here on chow. except i'll be using the peas instead of quinoa. i said it is like a greek spinach pie without the phyllo calories.

[vafarmwife]

My grandmother used to do this when we quit killing our own hogs and didn't have ready access to fatback. I also like to take the ham scraps from the bottom of the ham and grind them up and use them in ham salad.

[porker]

Where is the package from, al? Could it just be a question of bad English translation? My nuoc mam from Thailand has "allergy advice:contains anchovy fish" not quite a warning, but rather "advice"...

[alkapal]

porker, it is a harris teeter brand package, from matthews, north carolina.

"ham flavored seasoning packet inside" -- salt, dextrose, malodextrin, sugar, bacon flavor, disodium inosinate and disodium guanylate, ham type flavor, and no more than 2% silicon dioxide added as an anti-caking agent.

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mmmmmm mmmmm gooooooood!

[mamachef]

Eeerk. "Ham-type flavor" provokes in me a "soul-death type" shudder.
I'm thinking it's some form of sodium base or yeast base that contains the merest hint of liquid smoke (or liquid-type smoke) to give it that Southern flava.
Girl, you know how to cook and do it well. Make some dang peas and rice!

[alkapal]

i wasn't intending to USE the packet. i just had never heard of the ham "type" flavor. it is yet one step further removed from real food and toward the wonderful world of chemical re-creations of "reality."

have a fantastic "good-type morning," mamachef!

[alkapal]

still researching: http://www.gsbflavorcreators.com/Powder%20Flavors.pdf

http://flavorjen.com/shop/Flavorjen+S...

i'm gathering (D'OH!) that there is not even a remotely faint ham-derivation anywhere in its provenance!

[Cheese Boy]

Yup had a similar experience with a can of tomatoes recently. After years of purchasing only imported Italian tomatoes, I recently decided to purchase a can of Tuttorosso peeled plum shaped tomatoes and was surprised to learn that there was no "customary" whole basil leaf included in the contents. Usually, one would find at least one floating around in there somewhere, but this time nothing. So I decided to smell the contents and realize that maybe the basil was in there afterall. To my disappointment, the tomatoes smelled very bland and there was an off fragrance about them too. I couldn't make out what it was, so I decided to read the ingredients label and maybe THAT would prove to be revelatory. Sure enough, 'NATURAL BASIL FLAVOR'. My goodness. Some kind of extract perhaps? I was disappointed with the scent, but fortunately it didn't impact the recipe all that much. As a result, I will try not to stray because I believe whole basil leaf is best IMO.

The ingredient declaration --> http://www.redgold.com/tuttorosso/pro...

[Tripeler]

I think it depends on what type of ham they are thinking about.
There are many, many different varieties.

[misterkot]

I think it's salt with a heavy dose of msg.