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squishy654 Mar 15, 2011 11:13 PM

I'm too lazy to search, but I'm sure it's been posted before...so just humor me

I wanna take my girl to the Best Italian in the bay area where do I go? I like marsala and it has to be on the menu...good wine is a plus too...

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    whiner RE: squishy654 Mar 16, 2011 12:21 AM

    Marsala? That won't be on the menu at any of the best places.

    Acquerello and Quince are both excellent "high end" places. Delfina and Perbacco are equally good more moderately priced and casual places.

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    Perbacco
    230 California St, San Francisco, CA 94111

    Delfina Restaurant
    3621 18th St, San Francisco, CA 94110

    Acquerello Restaurant
    1722 Sacramento St., San Francisco, CA 94109

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      squishy654 RE: whiner Mar 16, 2011 09:36 AM

      what's wrong with Marsala? I love sweet stuff and that sauce is so good, I try it all over the place and it differs greatly...is it an American thing? like not truly Italian? My girl thinks TacoBell is mexican so I need to show her some real food...I understand if I am being nieve here...

      I guess I should ask what you think the best Italian dish is as well, what should I try?

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        Robert Lauriston RE: squishy654 Mar 16, 2011 09:46 AM

        It's an American version of an Italian dish.

        My favorite Italian dishes in SF are Perbacco's agnolotti dal plin, Incanto's handkerchief pasta & rustic pork ragù, and La Ciccia's seafood pasta.

        In the East Bay, whatever's on the menu at Dopo.

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        La Ciccia
        291 30th Street, San Francisco, CA 94131

        Perbacco
        230 California St, San Francisco, CA 94111

        Dopo
        4293 Piedmont Ave, Oakland, CA 94611

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          whiner RE: squishy654 Mar 16, 2011 12:34 PM

          There is nothing wrong with Marsala at all. I like it. But it is an American-Italian dish and not the type of dish that would be served at any of the best Italian restaurants in the city which generally aim to be both authentic and creative. *Easily* my favorite Italian dish in the city right now is the 'TORTELLI DI CIAPIN-ABE' at Perbacco. I had it a few days ago and it just blew my mind. Easily among the 3 best pasta dishes I have ever had. Ever.

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          Perbacco
          230 California St, San Francisco, CA 94111

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            whs RE: whiner Mar 16, 2011 01:49 PM

            Hi Robert and whiner--we will be dining at Perbacco this Saturday night. Aside from the two enticing items you recommend, are there other choices that you would suggest?

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            Perbacco
            230 California St, San Francisco, CA 94111

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              Robert Lauriston RE: whs Mar 16, 2011 01:57 PM

              The salumi, any stuffed pasta, any braised meat, the cheese course.

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                whiner RE: Robert Lauriston Mar 16, 2011 03:53 PM

                Ditto Robert's suggestion and would add anything with wild mushrooms. Also, while not on the menu at the moment, had the most amazing squab there a few months back.

                Also, the salads are always nice, especially if most of your meal is pasta. The pear salad right now is a great palate cleanser.

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                  whs RE: whiner Mar 16, 2011 04:18 PM

                  Many thanks.

      2. Robert Lauriston RE: squishy654 Mar 16, 2011 08:14 AM

        Umbria might be the best restaurant with a marsala dish on the menu.

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        Umbria
        198 2nd St, San Francisco, CA 94105

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          squishy654 RE: Robert Lauriston Mar 16, 2011 09:38 AM

          it's funny how none of these places mentioned are in North Beach...lol

          You guys know of anything in the east bay? I know Pleasanton has some good eats...

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            Ruth Lafler RE: squishy654 Mar 16, 2011 01:48 PM

            I think the issue is: is your object to feed your girlfriend a really good version of an Italian-American dish, or is your object to "show her some real food" that is more traditionally Italian? There's nothing wrong with either objective, but they will generate quite different suggestions.

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              squishy654 RE: Ruth Lafler Mar 16, 2011 02:43 PM

              I can't have an objective, I can only ask nicely if she would like to go to dinner...and she knows more about this stuff than I, she is most likely reading this and laughing at me like all of you guys are...but who cares, she's so damn hot...I think I will feed her whatever she wants...pick something sweetie, these suggestions all look very very good...I am ashamed now of taking her to the 1st place that had an Italian speaking doorman in north beach...I'm such a food touron...

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          vulber RE: squishy654 Mar 16, 2011 12:58 PM

          Acquerello has foie gras pasta with black truffles and marsala :-P

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          Acquerello Restaurant
          1722 Sacramento St., San Francisco, CA 94109

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            lrealml RE: vulber Mar 16, 2011 01:08 PM

            Oh yes... and it is amazing! One of the best pasta dishes I've had.

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              Ruth Lafler RE: vulber Mar 16, 2011 01:43 PM

              *swoon*

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                squishy654 RE: Ruth Lafler Mar 16, 2011 02:47 PM

                I'm not getting any kind of consensus...just more and more places to try...this is going to be expensive...

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                  Ruth Lafler RE: squishy654 Mar 16, 2011 04:27 PM

                  Take her to Pizzaiolo (in Oakland). Or if you want really good food without spending too much money, Barbacco (Perbacco's more casual sister). Have fun! (And I, at least, am not laughing at you!).

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                  Pizzaiolo
                  5008 Telegraph Ave, Oakland, CA 94609

                  Barbacco
                  230 California St, San Francisco, CA 94111

            2. kristoria RE: squishy654 Mar 16, 2011 03:21 PM

              Oh Squishy! You're so sweet. You're everything I could have ever wanted in a Beau!

              Before I met you I thought a Michelline star restaurant were those kind of restaurants that like you can do in with your car and they will bring the food right out as you drive through! How you have opened my eyes up.

              You're so cute. You think Taco Bell is not Mexican. So then what exactly is it love? Its not Canadian that is for sure.

              Where I come from babe we like to assert our position in the food chain. If you want to impress me we should find a place to eat as many different species as we can. Preferrably raw.

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                squishy654 RE: kristoria Mar 16, 2011 04:10 PM

                Taco Bell is not Mexican food...sigh....we're going out for some proper Mexican food while you're here as well...

                Looks like La Ciccia is closed on Mondays, but hey, Dopo is on the way...looks great, and I wanna try the salumi at Adesso...

                We need to eat well for our ascent of Mt Shasta...

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                La Ciccia
                291 30th Street, San Francisco, CA 94131

                Dopo
                4293 Piedmont Ave, Oakland, CA 94611

                Adesso
                4395 Piedmont Ave, Oakland, CA

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                  whs RE: squishy654 Mar 16, 2011 04:19 PM

                  You two should get married on Chowhound!

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                    Robert Lauriston RE: squishy654 Mar 16, 2011 04:23 PM

                    Dopo has the same salumi as Adesso, just a smaller selection.

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                    Dopo
                    4293 Piedmont Ave, Oakland, CA 94611

                    Adesso
                    4395 Piedmont Ave, Oakland, CA

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                      squishy654 RE: Robert Lauriston Mar 16, 2011 04:39 PM

                      I wondered about that, same owners, two blocks away, but a review on Yelp said one was better, which doesn't make sense, it is yelp after all...

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                        Robert Lauriston RE: squishy654 Mar 16, 2011 04:50 PM

                        Adesso and Dopo are both great, but totally different in style. Dopo's a restaurant with a full menu. Adesso's more of a bar with mostly cold food including a huge variety of housemade salumi plus oysters, a few sandwiches and salads, and cheese.

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                        Dopo
                        4293 Piedmont Ave, Oakland, CA 94611

                        Adesso
                        4395 Piedmont Ave, Oakland, CA

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                          macadam RE: Robert Lauriston Mar 16, 2011 10:31 PM

                          Great thread on Italian Oakland. Makes me glad I'm an SF native transplant to Oakland. Adesso/Dopo both great, and a owner's a good guy loyal to the community. Trattorria la Ciciliana on College is fabulous; memories of Caffe Sport, SF.

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                          Caffe Sport
                          574 Green St, San Francisco, CA 94133

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                            Robert Lauriston RE: macadam Mar 17, 2011 11:20 AM

                            Siciliana is good. No reservations and waits can be long at peak times.

                            Riva Cucina, Corso, and Nizza (mix of Italian and French) are good.

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                            Trattoria La Siciliana
                            2993 College Ave, Berkeley, CA 94705

                            Nizza La Bella
                            827 San Pablo Ave, Albany, CA 94706

                            Riva Cucina
                            800 Heinz Ave, Berkeley, CA 94710

                            Corso
                            1788 Shattuck Avenue, Berkeley, CA 94709

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