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Mar 10, 2011 07:32 PM

Dual-Density Bread Knife from Shun :)

I think people who love knives or enjoy physic/math/engineering (especially electric engineering) will get a kick out of this design:

Notice the double waveforms or dual-waveforms?

Here are some reminders:

Awesome fun!

Edit: It is actually marketed as an utility knife, not a bread knife.

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  1. Hi, Chem: I like the wave pattern, it's pretty.

    But don't you think the term "dual-density" is a misleading bit of paff? Might be a rare instance of misleading-yet-false.

    You're more expert than I on market offerings, but haven't there been wavy gravy bread knives before? Is the *any* reason to believe this $100 bread knife is any better than a $5 bread knife? Or a saw?

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    1. re: kaleokahu


      Yes, I am pretty sure the term dual density is misleading. I am guessing that it may need some good sawing motions to make clean cut. The bigger wave (lower frequency) is fairly big which mean much of the edge does not make full contact with the cutting board. To severed the food, the knife will need to be drag along the cutting board quiet a bit -- more so than a typical bread knife.

      "but haven't there been wavy gravy bread knives before?"

      What is "wavy gravy"? Actually, this is marketed as an utility knife, 7" only. It is your "fainting goat"

      My mistake to call it a bread knife

      1. re: Chemicalkinetics

        Hi, Chem: Wavy Gravy is a person, actually, but my invocation of him was just more than a play on words. Wavy was the original 1960s psychedelic jester, and one bit of his genius was his cognitively dissonant name. Sort of like a dual-density bread knife.

        I think you should buy one of these, and have custom waterstones cut to match the eccentric wavy patterns, so it can be re sharpened.

        I already have a fainting goat ("utility") knife. I also have a serrated breadknife that I painstakingly handcut the serrations into. I probably put 80 hours into that knife. How smart was THAT?

        1. re: kaleokahu


          Thanks for the Wavy Gravy information. Didn't know it.

          "I already have a fainting goat ("utility") knife"

          Yes, this one can be your backup. In your other post, you wrote

          "If she were to break, chip or lose the utility knife, I would be sad, because it would mean I would have to buy her another knife that is IMO about 95% worthless."

          Well, here it is. This is the "another knife" :)

          Wow, you spent 80 hours making a serrated knife, huh? You know that knife actually worth a lot if you account for your hourly wage. Of course, you probably didn't spend 80 hours straight, but I am sure you spent many hours. Well, I suppose as a knife maker, you feel the obligation to make a serrated knife.

          1. re: Chemicalkinetics

            Hi, Chem: I once had delusions of grandeur like my friend Bob Kramer, so I made one matching set of a large selection of kitchen, steak and butcher knives, including that bread knife. The plan was to use those as exemplars and demos.

            So it was more like 20 x 80 hours.

            Interestingly enough, I visited with a very skilled bladesmith today who has been making high-quality knives now for 33 years, apprenticed with possibly the greatest American master. He's aghast at the prices Kramer is getting. One large, (as-yet) unfinished blade he showed me this afternoon has been quite labor-intensive. Yet he's adamant that he couldn't respect himself much if he asked more than $700, and I know he'd take less. In his words: "There's not a chef's knife on the planet that's worth $9,000."

            BTW, he had a lot of good things to say about the $60 blades from that japanesewoodworker outfit.

            1. re: kaleokahu


              Wow, that is very impressive. Be honest, you counted your sleeping hours, TV watching hours as part of the 80 hours, didn't you? 80 hours is not 80 hours of work. It is 80 hours from start to finish, right? :)

              1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                Chem: No, it's an average of 80 total hours of work each knife, broken up to allow some gainful employment. Some were less, the bread, ulu, and oyster knives probably more. A few I junked and started over, or backed up a step to correct mistakes.

                I think I had the shop stereo on, though. Should I deduct that time?

              2. re: kaleokahu

                Nice to know others besides myself don't wait in line to pray at the alter of kramer