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addicted2cake Mar 10, 2011 07:51 AM

My son is a 16 yr old competitive swimmer whose training schedule is rigorous. I bring him yogurts, puddings, and peanut butter bars after workouts as per his coach's advice. Coach says protein following workouts helps to rebuild muscle. I would like to bake protein bars for my son, but need some ideas. He's not a huge fan of nuts. Any suggestions for high protein snacks (he won't drink milk either, not even chocolate milk) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

  1. nofunlatte Mar 10, 2011 08:11 AM

    Why not bring him sliced turkey breast or cheese (string, slices, babybels)?

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    1. re: nofunlatte
      kaleokahu Mar 10, 2011 09:56 AM

      +1 on cheese. I think whey is the fastest-assimilated protein, and that's what an athlete needs immediately after workouts. If this kid also will not drink milk or regular protein shakes, there are other whey "recovery" drinks that are clear, water-based, almost juice-like. Not tasty, but they get the job done until the next real meal.

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        nothingswrong Mar 10, 2011 06:57 PM

        +1 again on cheese, and you could try wrapping the cheese and a slice of turkey breast up together. Or wrap both in a pita or tortilla. Up the protein factor even more by spreading with some hummus or another bean-spread with herbs and/or garlic if your son would like such a thing.

        I'm not a huge fan of nuts on their own, but am a sucker for chocolate-covered almond clusters from Sees. I'm not hard to please. Didn't mean to rhyme. Anyway, I adore dry-roasted salted sunflower seeds. They pack a good 10 grams of protein in a 1/4 cup serving. I snack on them all day, and eat a handful with string cheese in the afternoon for an energy boost. That, with an apple or some dried fruit, makes a great and filling snack to tide me over til dinner.

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        foreverhungry Mar 11, 2011 09:29 AM

        -1 on the cheese suggestion. Fat slow digestion. Research has shown that a 4:1 carb:protein ratio is optimal for post-workout recovery, and that it's most effect within 30 minutes of the workout. The key is a carb+protein food that is highly digestible, which means low fat.

        One of the ideal post-recovery foods is low or no fat chocolate milk - it has the ideal ratio of carb to protein, and is very easily digestible. There's the commercial recovery mixes you can get at places like GNC (which I take), and work very well.

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          nothingswrong Mar 11, 2011 04:29 PM

          OP said he doesn't like milk or chocolate milk. those recovery mixes are kind of gross, no? i used to run competitively, long distance, and was in immaculate shape. our coach just had us carbo load, eat lots of lean proteins, and we did the simple orange slices after competitions. we kept homemade granola with nuts and dried fruit around too and drank plenty of vitamin and electrolyte supplemented water. i never really had a problem with any of the above, even after running miles and miles on our high-altitutde conditioning trips. i'm lactose intolerant but couldn't fathom drinking milk post-workout. i believe you though. yogurt with a little granola was a good snack; probably even easier to digest than milk.

          1. re: nothingswrong
            lilgi Mar 11, 2011 04:53 PM

            I used to discourage gatorade and my kids would drink lots of water post work out for thirst quenching, but even under the thirstiest conditions they would drink lots of milk as well. I was always glad for that, water then milk. I'm not a milk drinker and would only drink water, but not anything with any sugar. I stopped doing so when I put on weight drinking Vitamin water.

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              nothingswrong Mar 11, 2011 05:25 PM

              oh, i won't go near Gatorade. i think it's repulsive, for taste's sake alone (nevermind the sodium content). how did you gain weight with vitamin water? the sugar/calories? my doctor always recommended diluting all electrolyte drinks with at least 1/2 water for best effect. they really do have some good things in them, even the bad ones, but also loads of sugar and salt. he said they are best for you post-workout if you're not gulping them, and instead mixing with water. anyway, i'm a SmartWater convert. i have some elctrolyte imbalances and vitamin deficiencies now in my "old" age and smartwater has saved me many trips to the hospital for IV fluids. don't care that it's overpriced. and it's the purest tasting bottled water (in my opinion) to boot.

              1. re: nothingswrong
                lilgi Mar 11, 2011 05:44 PM

                I still run and workout a lot at home, and I was even more active a few years ago, probably did everything except yoga (I'm very yang). I was drinking vitamin water thinking it was good, and because I often wanted something to drink other than water (was never a big water drinker either). I began to like it too much, and yes lots of sugar/calories. I simply stopped, the only things I drink are seltzer, coffee, and sometimes juice. I've never tried Smartwater, will look into it if not for me for the boys.

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                  goodhealthgourmet Mar 16, 2011 03:02 PM

                  probably did everything except yoga (I'm very yang).
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                  even more of a reason to take up yoga - you need some yin to balance it out! ;)

                  i'm with nothingswrong on the SmartWater - i rarely buy bottled water, but i swear it's more effective than regular water at keeping me hydrated when i fly.

                  1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                    lilgi Mar 16, 2011 09:52 PM

                    I'll be picking some up soon.

                    I doubt I'll get into yoga. A few friends kept convincing me to try walking to see if I'd like it. "Same benefits, better on the joints, we're getting older, blah blah" and I've been doing it for a while, but going back to running soon. As long as I can keep running I will. I have a nordictrack (love it, have had it forever) which I use once and sometimes twice daily, hour sessions, but if I'm not running I'll try to get on a few times a day. I have other daily classes too, (nothing to do with a gym or spinning, pilates, etc.) but these kill me more than anything else. I drink water afterwards more as an afterthought (this is true, believe me) but when I'm home I do consume large amounts of plain seltzer.

                    I wouldn't do yoga or meditation because it would be more of a chore and I've got enough of them, but you never know maybe there's something else out there ;)

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                  foreverhungry Mar 11, 2011 06:25 PM

                  I think Gatorade definitely has it's purpose. If running or biking long distance, it's great. If I'm burning 1000 calories in a workout, the last thing I'm concerned about is the sugar content in Gatorade - bring it on.

                  Ditto with long hikes, especially in the desert. I read once that the most common cause of death at the Grand Canyon was hyponatremia - low sodium levels. Folks sweat a ton, and guzzle water, without replacing electrolytes, especially sodium. The same thing has happened recently at a few marathons - folks sweating a ton, losing sodium, and drinking a lot of water without replacing the sodium. The low plasma sodium leads to cells swelling.

                  If you're involved in heavy exercise and burning lots of calories, and/or sweating a ton a losing electrolytes, there's nothing wrong with a bottle of Gatorade.

                  As for taste, lots of studies have shown that folks drink more liquid when it tastes good, as compared to plain water. Personally, I like Gatorade (especially the red), but I can only find yellow powder, so I make it a little weaker.

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                    nothingswrong Mar 11, 2011 08:47 PM

                    yes, all good to know. when i played AYSO soccer as a kid, we had a lot of doctor parents on the sidelines. even then, they would dilute our gatorade with water in a big cooler. they were adament that all that sodium/sugar wasn't necessary for your average workout. i believe the sodium wasn't necessarily the issue, as much as the sugar content. i definitely remember cramping constantly when i was competitively running (for about 6 years) and drinking gatorade between races. maybe it's just me. who cares, i don't think it will really do anyone any harm! was just sharing my two cents.

                    hyponatremia is rare amongst those of us in the average workout category. or, if your workout routine is like mine--parking your car a few spaces over from the ones closest to the entrance of the grocery store. what can i say, i've become utterly lazy :)

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                salvatoregianpaolo Mar 11, 2011 04:59 PM

                I thought I was lactose intolerant until I switched to raw milk. Problem gone. Actually, my digestion issues have improved 10x.

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                  nothingswrong Mar 11, 2011 05:28 PM

                  i've heard this from a few people, as well as kefir milk. good to know.

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                  foreverhungry Mar 11, 2011 06:17 PM

                  No, the recovery mixes are pretty good. At least I like them. I use one that's watermelon flavored, one that chocolate flavored. I certainly wouldn't equate them to a good milk shake, but that's not the purpose. They taste fine enough for me to guzzle one down after a long workout.

                  After a hard workout, I don't really care too much about flavor. I'm pretty exhausted, so getting anything in, especially if it's liquid, is the goal. Yogurt, granola, dried fruit, all sound like great options. Personally, I like the convenience of being able to put some powder in a plastic bottle, bring a bottle of ice water and keep it in the car (if mountain biking or at the gym), and whether I go back to the car or run or bike back to home, add water and pound something down. Especially in the car, it's easy to consume.

                  1. re: nothingswrong
                    sunshine842 Mar 13, 2011 07:49 AM

                    I've been seeing a lot of articles showing up lately touting milk as a great after-workout drink.

                    It's not the first thing I think of when I'm hot and tired, but the science makes sense.

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                      chowser Mar 14, 2011 07:14 AM

                      I think that shows the power of the National Dairy Council.

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                        foreverhungry Mar 14, 2011 09:47 AM

                        They do exert a ridiculous amount of power, and many of their claims are hogwash.

                        But as far as a post-workout recovery aid, chocolate milk is pretty good. It's not necessarily the best thing out there, but it has several advantages:
                        1) most people like the taste,
                        2) liquid form
                        3) relatively inexpensive when compared to powdered mixes
                        4) for those that aren't lactose intolerant, it's easily digestible
                        5) integrates well with a good diet
                        6) easily accessible by most

                        It may not the end-all, be-all that some folks claim, but it has the nutritional breakdown to be effective.

                        1. re: foreverhungry
                          sunshine842 Mar 14, 2011 09:52 AM

                          thanks, foreverhungry -- I was reading non-sponsored reports about it from several sources.

                          1. re: foreverhungry
                            chowser Mar 14, 2011 11:03 AM

                            Yes, there are thousands of foods that do that but it's the power of dairy council that it's so often referred to as the ideal post workout drink. It comes up all the time--just look at this thread, at any blogs, generic workout articles. People hear it and repeat it and with the power of the internet, it's exponential. If the Almond Council had such power, people would think almond milk was the ideal post workout drink. It's all about clever marketing.

                            1. re: chowser
                              lilgi Mar 14, 2011 11:43 AM

                              Eggs and cheese as well? These were all post-workout snacks for my boys (since they began grade-school).

                              Of course when they were with their teams they would drink gatorade (and I wish I knew about the powdered stuff at the time, thank you!), trail mix, rarely a nutri-grain bar. But since they were active everyday at home they'd want water, milk, hard-boiled eggs, cheddar, brown rice, sometimes pizza but not often. Always thought these were the best things for them. Was I wrong in thinking a hard-boiled egg would be better than a protein-bar? They learned how to eat like this from a young-age and they enjoy it. I guess I grew up thinking that the simplest foods were most wholesome but always curious to learn more.

                              1. re: lilgi
                                chowser Mar 14, 2011 12:14 PM

                                Personally, I like real food over a protein bar but after an intense workout so wouldn't choose a protein bar either way, carbs are the most important so hard boiled eggs and fruit/juice would be good but not hard boiled eggs by themselves. But, it all depends on how intense the workouts are. I don't bother with anything other than water if I'm doing a less intense/or shorter workout. The key is replenished your glucose that you've just burned out. I'd ask them how they feel, post workout with different foods and see what makes them feel best.

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                                  lilgi Mar 14, 2011 03:33 PM

                                  Okay, always stressed carbs more pre-workout and protein afterwards. After posting realized I left out stuff like fruit (they'll eat it sometimes but they'll take a hard-boiled over that because they love it - btw can you see how I praise the egg, haha), peanut butter sandwiches (no jelly), yogurt (always had it on hand just in case but always secondary). But my sister relies on different foods for hers; we both had different food practices for our kids.

                                  Of course it's okay for them to have sugar (you know I bake all the time), but I was always careful about that and what they eat in between so I always stressed sugarless foods realizing that it starts to interfere with other foods that are healthier.

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                                foreverhungry Mar 14, 2011 12:32 PM

                                I think one of the important pieces is that, given what we think makes a good post-workout recovery food, chocolate milk IS a good choice. It's not like the Dairy Council is hyping something that won't get the job done. In this case, they're right. It is a good option. The best? No, probably not. But nonetheless a good option. I don't think there's anything wrong in that.

                                1. re: foreverhungry
                                  sunshine842 Mar 14, 2011 03:49 PM

                                  (responding to foreverhungry only as a means of adding to the conversation...not picking on you in particular)

                                  when I had my coaching card for youth sports, we were told that hard-boiled eggs were a really, really good choice for kids, especially after a tough workout (we were in Florida at the time, and tough workouts in Florida heat are extra-hard on your body) because they are a very complete form of protein, but are very, very easy to digest, which is important because a drained body is diverting the circulation to the extremities, which makes upset stomachs after a hard work out much more likely.

                                  1. re: sunshine842
                                    lilgi Mar 14, 2011 04:14 PM

                                    I'm glad to know this really. It's a lot of work to start kids on good foods when they're young, and I did most of this without any kind of research, even when they were more active. I thought my instincts were off, I'm glad I was on the right track.

                                    Forever I think that when they're older if that's the only way they'll drink milk then at least that's something.

                                  2. re: foreverhungry
                                    chowser Mar 14, 2011 04:41 PM

                                    It bothers me because it's touted as the "ideal" recovery so often and the only reason it is is only because it has the 4:1 ratio and the Dairy Council promotes it as such. Using that. I could make the case for cake and a slice of turkey. People don't understand it and just repeat what they've heard.

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                                      sunshine842 Mar 14, 2011 04:57 PM

                                      I don't think anybody here was saying it's ideal...but if it fits the ratio profile, why is it a bad thing to tell people about it?

                                      There are an awful lot of people who think that kids ought to be pumped full of Gatorade and an awful lot of people who think that kids shouldn't be drinking anything but plain water...neither of those are true, either....so why all the fuss over a healthier alternative?

                                      1. re: chowser
                                        lilgi Mar 14, 2011 06:32 PM

                                        If you are "sans-sugar" which was almost a religion to me with respect to the boys and snacking, there's no need to go to cake, for milk and eggs after a workout. I'm thinking milk and eggs on their own hold a lot more weight healthwise than cake. All pro the turkey idea though ;)

                                        But the sugar thing was my point and also why I'm against gatorade, only because I tend to look at the bigger picture. After dinner they eat what they want, but they usually don't crave the junk food during the day.

                                        1. re: lilgi
                                          chowser Mar 15, 2011 04:44 AM

                                          During/after a workout, you want immediate glucose which is sugar to your system-- and which is why gatorade is helpful (though for me, it's only a during replenishment and if I'm going out for a long time). Chocolate milk is a huge amount of sugar added to milk. I have nothing against it but it bothers me that marketing/politics has such a big play in the fact that it's the first people tout--just google "ideal recovery drink" and you'll get chocolate milk in most of the responses. Milk and eggs don't provide the necessary sugar your body needs, post workout, unless you add something like the sugar of chocolate milk. Eggs washed down with orange juice would be great but sugar, in some form, is needed.

                                          And, this is ony during/post really intense workouts. Our bodies have completely different needs at other times. At other times, those JT chocolate chip cookies are the ideal mental recovery food.:-)

                                          1. re: chowser
                                            lilgi Mar 15, 2011 05:27 AM

                                            Chowser, if you are used to sugar in your system you will need it. My kids have never felt more wiped out than anyone else, and they prefer water to gatorade. You are quoting back what you have read from a book/the net based on what most Americans eat, and I am telling you that what I do at home is is discussed specifically with a professional and their pediatricians, especially having been so active myself. You feel the sugar necessary, we don't. And JT cookies didn't come till much later in their lives, and only sometimes hours after dinner.

                                            Lots of things are instinctive to me, but they have been discussed further. Their coaches/pediatricians love milk. And my kids love their eggs.

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                                              sunshine842 Mar 15, 2011 06:46 AM

                                              good heavens, you two -- you both keep insisting that people realize that people are different and should accept that different solutions are possible, but then you come back and snark at each other for not accepting *their* rules!

                                              Feed your kids 4:1 with calorie loads of +/- 300 calories and leave each other alone.

                                              1. re: sunshine842
                                                lilgi Mar 15, 2011 06:51 AM

                                                I'm totally fine with what you're saying Sunshine. We DO have a different system here, and it works well for us. I was an endurance runner myself.

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                                                  chowser Mar 15, 2011 07:12 AM

                                                  But see, you're going back to your rule of 4:1 which means you're saying that what lilgi is doing is wrong. Why is your 4:1 rule the "right" one? Lilgi has had good results with all protein/fat in the hard boiled eggs so you're telling her she's wrong? I think if it works for her, it does. I thought she was asking advice on it and I've been talking about it based on peer reviewed studies, as has Salvatore, but she's happy with what she's doing and you're the one telling her to stick to the 4:1 ratio.

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                                                  chowser Mar 15, 2011 07:39 AM

                                                  I'm not quoting back based on how Americans eat--it's based on the science, as salvatoregianpalo has said, of aerobic fuel that is predominantly glucose/glycogen which are simple carbs. If you burn it off, you want to replenish it.

                                                  I'm curious, when you were an endurance runner, what did you do to refuel during LSDs?

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                                                    lilgi Mar 15, 2011 07:48 AM

                                                    I only carried water and trail mix. And I barely drank my water or ate. I hated carrying it too because I never drank. At home I'd go through more plain seltzer than you can imagine.

                                                    But we are acustomed to eating/drinking before so as not to dehydrate. Based on our healthy lifestyle and what we take in before a strenuous workout, I'm not discussing sugar any further. I'd written everything out and all has been stamped and approved. Now they are older, they'll pretty much eat what they want ;)

                                                    1. re: chowser
                                                      The Chowhound Team Mar 17, 2011 01:42 PM

                                                      Since this is getting even more far afield from Home Cooking than it already was, we've split some of the follow-up over to our Not About Food board: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/772775

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                              Isolda Mar 10, 2011 08:30 AM

                              Back when I was swimming, a favorite protein snack was beef jerky, either bought or homemade. Also try breads made with bean flours, as these have lots of protein. Oven roasted chickpeas/garbanzo beans are delicious and addictive. I remember some of the boys liking those protein drinks, but I thought they were nasty.

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                                ediblover Mar 10, 2011 01:36 PM

                                I'm serious with this - Bake him cake. It's tasty and "real" food. I'm not anti-bar, since I do have it maybe once a week, but come on... Anyway, you're right on the nuts, since they're not a complete protein. Animal sources are better, since they're always complete and generally have a higher bio-availability rating. When it comes to baked goods ingredients, eggs (Probably the best when it comes to absorption and value) and ricotta (The 30 minute absorbed whey protein) are great sources. I guess the obvious is an Italian Cheesecake. Doesn't that sound way better than a bar? Besides, it has a lot more carbs, which is more important for endurance athletes (fuel!).

                                As a side, casein (the other/main milk protein) takes forever to digest, so if he likes it, Greek yogurt (actual, not the lousy "Greek style") is a great snack to have throughout the day and right before sleeping.

                                1. pdxgastro Mar 10, 2011 06:09 PM

                                  Mini cans of tuna. With crackers maybe?

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                                    salvatoregianpaolo Mar 10, 2011 06:58 PM

                                    OK.... before people get out of hand here, let's get a couple of facts down:

                                    1. The body does assimilate protein best in the 30 min or so post-workout, however what an athlete needs is something to replenish glycogen stores as well. What you are aiming for is a 4:1 or 3:1 Carb:Protein ratio.

                                    2. The human body can only process aprox. 200-300 cal/hour, so you want to make sure to stay within those confines. Everyone is different, so he'll have to figure what is his limit, however it is usually based on weight.

                                    3. Avoid fats and fiber because these are harder for the body to process.

                                    Ultimately, the best thing is a shake because you are then hitting hydration and fuel in one shot. As an example, after my training rides (I'm a competitive cyclist and a coach) I mix whey protein with a frozen banana, a Tbsp. of maple syrup, about a 1/2 cup of milk, some ice, water, and some cinnamon for good measure. This covers all my bases in one shot. After an hour has passed, I then go about having a regular meal, i.e., almond butter, eggs, etc.

                                    Hope this helps... but remember, the glycogen replacement is MUCH more important than the protein!

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                                      foreverhungry Mar 11, 2011 09:33 AM

                                      +1 on salvatore's advice, it's spot on. Think carb+protein, a couple hundred calories, low fat and fiber, and in an easy shot. That's why chocolate milk is a great choice. Slices of turkey + a banana works well too, I'll do that after long mountain bike rides.

                                      High fat foods, like cheese, are ineffective because you'll miss the optimal window of opportunity because of the slow digestion time.

                                    2. todao Mar 10, 2011 07:21 PM

                                      If it has to be bars I can't help much. But in whole foods there is a lot of protein in popcorn, beans, wild rice, and Amaranth. I'm not a health food fanatic but any of these packaged into something he can snack on (humus from the beans, etc.) and stuffed into something like a flour tortilla would, IMO, be an excellent choice. If he will, that is, eat them. I'd have included nuts (a very good source of protein) but you mentioned his dislike for those.

                                      1. ipsedixit Mar 10, 2011 08:02 PM

                                        Take your favorite, or just a basic, chocolate chip cookie recipe and use buckwheat flour instead of white flour.

                                        Voila, a tasty and nutritious snack that's high in protein.

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                                          addicted2cake Mar 11, 2011 06:18 AM

                                          Thank you all for your replies, they are so very helpful! My son loves cheese, so that's probably a good way to go. I never knew ricotta cheese was so easily assimilated. He would LOVE Italian cheese cake. I could try making the chocolate chip cookies with buckwheat flour and see what he thinks. He likes the Olympus brand Greek yogurt from Whole Foods. I don't know if that's the real thing, but it tastes very good and has 12 or so grams of protein. Just may google homemade protein bars to see what comes up.
                                          Thank you again for your wonderful suggestions and taking the time to help me and my swimmer! Much appreciated:) .

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                                          1. re: sunshine842
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                                            pmody Mar 11, 2011 11:53 AM

                                            Hemp is a great source of vegan protein, which is easily digestible.

                                          2. wekick Mar 11, 2011 09:53 AM

                                            salvatoregianpaolo's post gave specific answers to the OP's question based on the body's physiology and what most completely meets the competitive athlete's metabolic needs(carbs, protein, electrolytes, fluids, etc). There are other ways to meet this based on individual tolerances but the point is that there is more to it than a generic "high protein" snack.
                                            There is lots of info online. Google "competitive swimming nutrition"

                                            1. schoenfelderp Mar 11, 2011 10:00 AM

                                              I'm a competitive swimmer and at peak training I am putting in 13+ hours in the pool and another 5 hours of drylands, core work, and lifting every week. I've tried numerous different recovery tools in the past. In my opinion, the best post workout recovery fuel, whether its swimming, running, or lifting, is a big glass (at least 3 cups) of chocolate milk. This has worked better for me than Powerbar Protein Plus and whey shakes with 46g whey in it. That being said, I know that Mike Bottom (U Michigan's head coach) is a firm believer in Muscle Milk, which shares some of the same qualities as breast milk, although I have never tried it.

                                              There are MANY other factors that contribute to recovery aside from this; a good nights sleep, proper diet, and cooling down after workout are big ones. A long cool down may be one of the most overlooked parts on age groupers. Many people do not cool down nearly long enough, they might swim an easy 200 free and call it good . I'd say a descending 500 with the last 200 being super easy is acceptable, although more may be appropriate depending on his workouts. And as soon as that cool down's over, chug that chocolate milk.

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                                                foreverhungry Mar 11, 2011 10:13 AM

                                                Depending on the intensity of the workout, I'll follow different recoveries. For easy workouts of less than an hour, I'm pretty informal - chocolate milk, turkey and banana, yogurt, or something along those lines. For more than an hour, I'll usually go with a bottle of Muscle Milk, or use powdered recovery mix (Afterglow or Amplified Recovery Protein). I agree that the protein bombs like PowerBar Protein Plus (or other high protein bars) just aren't the right tool for the job. They certainly have their place in terms of workout nutrition, just not as a recovery aid.

                                                1. re: foreverhungry
                                                  josquared Mar 11, 2011 02:11 PM

                                                  As a recreational runner (mostly longer races 10K up to marathons) and occasional triathlete, chocolate milk is about the best stuff out there, if you want something liquid.

                                                  Seeing that your son doesn't like milk, however, you could easily mix down some water with simple things like lean meat wraps, PB&J or a PB&H sandwich or wrap. In a pinch, I'll go for the non-high protein version of things like Clif Bars or Larabars.

                                                  And for me, the post-workout snack is most often simply something to tie me over until I get to a more substantial meal an hour or so later.

                                                  I do have some guilty pleasures at times - at some trail races I do, sometimes they offer chunks of Payday Bars; only time I really ever indulge in the things

                                              2. chowser Mar 11, 2011 10:13 AM

                                                Lots of interesting subthreads on this. I'll add that research has shown a wide variety of results on this whole matter, from a mix of carbs/protein to all carbs being optimal. Added to which, a recent study showed that women and men respond differently where men do better w/ some protein and women do well w/ all carbs. That said, I think it shows that this is very person specific and I think probably age related, too. Unless your son's coach is trained specifically for adolescent performance (and most I know are not), I wouldn't go w/ his high protein advice because you do need carbs to replenish the fuels. Your son has a chance to experiment to see what works best for him and how he feels after.

                                                While liquids can get the fuel more quickly to the muscles, the key is to eat as quickly as possible. I prefer sticking with whole foods--smoothies, sweet potato (add protein if you want), frozen bananas dipped in a little dark chocolate and nuts (great for electrolytes), oatmeal bars (google Amish baked oatmeal and then doctor it to fit your needs). These peanut butter cookies are great, surprisingly, and I cut the sugar by half:

                                                http://allrecipes.com//Recipe/three-ingredient-peanut-butter-cookies/Detail.aspx

                                                http://www.vintagevictuals.com/2009/0...

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                                                  addicted2cake Mar 11, 2011 11:12 AM

                                                  WOW!!! So much info to take in! I'm going to print out these replies so that I can read and re-read them. My son's coach is a big fan of chocolate milk, but my son hates milk, won't drink it - plain, chocolate, or any other flavor. He has tried several recovery drinks, but doesn't like them that much. I'll nix high fat, high sugar foods as well, at least, post recovery. He can eat the cheesecake and cookies some other time as he's very slender and eats plenty of good stuff all week. I am looking for easily transported foods, that's why I asked about protein bars at the outset. Thank you all for sharing your knowledge and opinions with me. I sincerely appreciate all your posts. My son doesn't foresee an olympic future, but he's oh so close to Junior National times and may get there for one or two events by August.

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                                                  1. re: addicted2cake
                                                    chowser Mar 11, 2011 11:18 AM

                                                    I highly recommend books by Nancy Clark, as sports nutrition goes. It's a changing field w/ lots of new information but she has solid practical advice.

                                                    http://www.nancyclarkrd.com/books/ind...

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                                                    CeeBee Mar 11, 2011 12:49 PM

                                                    I make rice and bean burritos that I keep frozen at work for snacks or lunch. There's usually some cheese, salsa and sweet potato in them too.

                                                    1. c oliver Mar 11, 2011 01:14 PM

                                                      I'd talk to your son's doctor and here's some info re protein:

                                                      http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise...

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                                                        1. Emme Mar 11, 2011 07:39 PM

                                                          some other ideas...
                                                          -salmon croquettes - i make mine with skinless boneless salmon, cooked onion, egg, a little almond meal and parsley then bake in mini molds and often serve as "croutons" in soup... which you could pair with a higher sugar content soup like tomato
                                                          -hummus and pita
                                                          -cottage cheese and fruit
                                                          -pb&j or pb&banana sandwich
                                                          -edamame and fruit
                                                          -lean turkey or beef meatballs with bbq sauce
                                                          -chili
                                                          -egg salad or tuna salad stuffed in a ww pita or scooped bagel
                                                          -my favorite combo post workout before allergies hit - cottage cheese with cooked barley or brown rice, sweetener, cinnamon and vanilla. protein, carbs, plus tasty in a faux rice pudding concept

                                                          1. deet13 Mar 11, 2011 08:54 PM

                                                            Boiled eggs, beef jerky, and Gatorade is what I will typically eat just after coming off of a long bike ride or hike, (or back when I was in the Army) a patrol outside the wire.

                                                            If I eat anything during the ride or march, I restrict myself to a banana and saltine crackers w/Nutella.

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                                                              girlwonder88 Mar 11, 2011 08:55 PM

                                                              Peanut butter smoothie-a couple TBS PB, blended with a cup of chocolate flavored almond milk, two scoops protein powder, a tablespoon of honey. Add a frozen banana and ice cubes. Awesome. I hate milk but love this.

                                                              1. Chocolatechipkt Mar 12, 2011 09:24 AM

                                                                My niece is also 16 and a competitive swimmer. She does eat plenty of yogurt/granola, pb and pretty much anything (bananas, rice, pasta etc), and protein bars. She does love milk, but immediately after swimming it's Gatorade. As she's a vegetarian, the meaty ideas above wouldn't work, but she does snack on mini (or more, depending on the workout) quesadillas or burritos with black beans, cheese, avocados etc.

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                                                                  amyamelia Mar 12, 2011 09:26 AM

                                                                  Hi
                                                                  I was also a swimmer at about the same level as your son when I was that age. It's so nice that you are helping him refuel with healthy foods.
                                                                  One of my favorite after-workout foods was cold cheese pizza. Good mix of fat/prot/carbs and has some salt. I remember feeling nauseated after workouts since I was so hungry, so sometimes something really plain was all I could choke down.

                                                                  Another idea is something i've started making for my protein-averse children: cottage cheese pancakes. I make them thin like crepes and serve them rolled up with some low-sugar jam inside. It is easy to make a triple batch and then keep them in the fridge. If you rolled them with jam at home you could put a few of them in a tupperware and throw that in his swimbag for after workout. Here is the high-protein recipe I like to use:
                                                                  into blender:
                                                                  2 cups cottage cheese
                                                                  1 cup quick oats
                                                                  6 eggs
                                                                  1/4-2/3 c. buttermilk (depending on how thin you want them)
                                                                  pinch of baking soda and salt

                                                                  whirl in blender, scrape sides, whirl again. Let stand 5-10 mins then cook as for crepes. Roll up with a smear of jam or nutella or PB or honey...you get the picture.

                                                                  good luck to him on making junior nationals!
                                                                  aa

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                                                                    foreverhungry Mar 12, 2011 11:53 AM

                                                                    With all due respect to some of the ideas posted, and understanding fully that everyone isn't the same, research is pretty consistent on this: optimal post-workout recovery occurs when about 200-400 calories worth of mostly carbs (with some protein, though the amount may vary between people) within 30 minutes. We also know from decades of digestive physiology that fiber and fat slow digestion. So it seems that it wouldn't be the best idea to include high fiber or high fat foods for a post-workout recovery food. Also, it's overkill to have more than 400 calories, unless that post-workout food is actually a full lunch or dinner. That's why virtually every post-workout recovery formula on the market has a few things in common: no fat, no fiber, mostly carb, some protein, easy to digest.

                                                                    Some folks equate what they do with what is most effective. Some folks still communicate via telegraph, because that's the only thing they know. They've never tried a different device, so when asked what's a good way to communicate, they offer what they know. That's why looking to the research literature is such as great place to start for the basics - hundreds of experiments, testing all sort of different combinations, have been looked at. And within the guidelines of what we know works optimally, there's lots of options. But most certainly, there are things that will work better than others, and those have been established fairly well.

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                                                                    Maggie Larkin Mar 15, 2011 07:34 AM

                                                                    if youre giving him yog i would consider the greek yog or cottage cheese which has a lot more protein in it. you can mix in dried fruit, nuts, even little bit of protein power. you can mix that into oatmeal as well

                                                                    peanut butter & banana or apple on double protein bread. hard boiled eggs. beef jerky.

                                                                    cant vouch for all of them, but my husband was looking at some of these the other day http://www.askmen.com/sports/foodcour...

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                                                                      mamueller Mar 15, 2011 10:59 AM

                                                                      I used to make a high protein bar - no cooking required - with oats, protein powder, honey and peanut butter. Might be something else in there, but I don't remember as it has been a long time. I did run across the recipe the other day, so if that sounds like something that would work for you, I'll post it.

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