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globocity Mar 9, 2011 10:40 AM

I stole this topic from the Manhattan board but I suppose it's germane to an old topic on here about overrated restaurants.

My pick: Super Cocina. I don't get it. Never have. I've tried this place off and on for the past three years at the behest of my significant other. I want to like it, I do. The food is priced right, the 'hood is close to us, and many of my foodie friends rave about it. And I love Mexican food.

On the other end of the spectrum, I'd have to say I don't have much love for Marine Room though I feel the minority in that camp.

Yours?

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Super Cocina
3627 University Ave., San Diego, CA 92104

Marine Room Restaurant
2000 Spindrift Drive, La Jolla, CA 92037

  1. Fake Name Mar 9, 2011 10:48 AM

    Sorry all, but:

    Cafe Chloe.

    Love the food, decent atmosphere, but HATE their chairs so we don't go. And it's a block from my studio.

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    Cafe Chloe
    721 9th Ave, San Diego, CA 92101

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    1. re: Fake Name
      globocity Mar 9, 2011 10:55 AM

      Cafe Chloe is the kind of place that makes me want to linger. I do love the atmosphere, food, and service. Even though I've been there a hundred times or so, I can't remember anything about the chairs! Maybe that is a good sign.

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      Cafe Chloe
      721 9th Ave, San Diego, CA 92101

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        Beach Chick Mar 9, 2011 11:09 AM

        Those chairs are the WORST at Cafe Chloe!
        Love the place but I can't sit in them and I don't have a fat ass or anything but they are the most uncomfortable things and their wobbly too.

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          wrldtrvl Mar 10, 2011 09:30 AM

          Agree about the chairs. Super uncomfortable and the reason I have not been back there. Great menu, reasonable prices...

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          Cafe Chloe
          721 9th Ave, San Diego, CA 92101

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          mliew Mar 9, 2011 11:12 AM

          Would have to agree here. After reading so many great reviews about it on here I had to try it and see for myself. While it was good, it didn't exactly blow me away and the prices are on the high side considering the portion size (I think I paid $30+ for a lamb chop entree with two tiny chops).
          I guess if you factor in the fact this is San Diego and that they are located downtown (albeit outside of the gaslamp) then its ok, but it certainly would not measure up to french bistro food in SF or NY by any stretch.

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            shouzen Mar 9, 2011 06:44 PM

            Agree with mliew. I find the food generally solid and lunch there can be quite pleasant, but it's no Bouchon. Heck, it's no Comme Ca or Bistro Jeanty.

            1. re: shouzen
              honkman Mar 9, 2011 07:30 PM

              Bouchon is about 50% more expensive than Cafe Chloe and we visited all three Bouchon locations together about 10-12 times and Cafe Chloe about 90-100 times but we still had overall more disappointments at Bouchon than at Cafe Chloe. Cafe Chloe is one of the few restaurants in San Diego which also would be successful in LA or SF.

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                shouzen Mar 9, 2011 08:21 PM

                I'll admit Bouchon is quite pricy for what it is, but based my meals, the level of execution and attention to detail is not on the same level. The boudin blanc and foie gras terrine at Bouchon are things of wonder, and don't even get me started on their fruits de mer.

                But it's fine to disagree - I already knew I was in the minority on Cafe Chloe. I just don't get it.

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                Cafe Chloe
                721 9th Ave, San Diego, CA 92101

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          Beach Chick Mar 9, 2011 10:56 AM

          I agree with you on the Marine Room...I really only like it for drinks and app's or the annual Christmas time high tide breakfast.
          Location can't be beat...But... IMHO, menu is too much over the top and I really don't see 'game meat' as a real closer for the demographics...way too busy on the food and I can't stand all the decorative crap that they stick out of every food item...need an additional plate for all rosemary sprigs, lemongrass blade, garlic flowers etc..that was so 1990's!

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          1. re: Beach Chick
            foodiechick Mar 9, 2011 11:21 AM

            Yep, and Chef Bernie has got to get himself over fennel pollen. He seemingly uses it in everything, which limits my selection on the menu to about 1-2 dishes. Blech.

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              Beach Chick Mar 9, 2011 12:10 PM

              Love Chef Bernard but I think either he needs a complete revamp of his cooking style or he needs to move on and open his own place.
              Agree with the fennel, which I deplore and I don't want my food tasting like black licorice.

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              karaethon Mar 9, 2011 12:22 PM

              Not sure if it's the chef's fault or maitre'd but they let me order crab in the appetizer and persimmon in the entree (I just wanted to see if they would let me since the pairing was possible on the menu).

              Then I tried to change the entree, but they gave me a very hard time about changing it until I pointed out that the combo could be fatal and I would hold them responsible for any problems.

              1. re: karaethon
                honkman Mar 9, 2011 12:50 PM

                Can you point to any scientific evidence that this combination is lethal ? I know there are some webpages claiming them but their "scientific evidence" can't be taken serious. It seems to be more an urban myth.
                There are actually many restaurants like Dining at Ritz-Carlton in San Francisco which have crab salads with persimmon on their menu. It's understandable why the Marine Room was not happy to change your original selection.

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                  Josh Mar 9, 2011 01:17 PM

                  I hadn't heard about this before, so I looked it up. The allegedly "scientific" explanation is that protein + tannins = indigestible matter.

                  If that were true, every person who drank cabernet sauvignon with their steak ought to be dead.

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                    karaethon Mar 9, 2011 02:33 PM

                    chowhound topic on this:
                    http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/319670

                    If you google persimmon bezoar you'll get what you're looking for. Basically the bezoar is something you can get from persimmons in general but the crab acts as a catalyst

                    1. re: karaethon
                      jmtreg Mar 9, 2011 03:17 PM

                      Apparently, if you wash it down with a coke, its all good

                      http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?...

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                        honkman Mar 9, 2011 03:20 PM

                        These are two different issues - one eating unripe or too many persimmon which might cause bezoar and the other that crab meat acts as any kind of catalyst. There is no scientific evidence (at least I can't find any) that crab is any kind of catalyst for it. Again there are quite regularly crab salads with persimmons on restaurant menus (and I doubt that they would risk their business just to have the dish on the menu) and I have eaten it without any problem. In addition restaurant most likely won't serve unripen persimmon.

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                          Josh Mar 9, 2011 03:25 PM

                          Looking into this, I see that eating unripe persimmons can cause the formation of bezoars, but have yet to see anything explaining why consuming crab with ripe persimmons would also cause this - which is really the relevant question, because no chef would serve an unripe persimmon since they're so astringent.

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                        littlestevie Mar 9, 2011 01:19 PM

                        Crab and persimmon, lethal? You have got to be kidding me. With crab, there could be lots of issues with freshness and bacterial contamination. And an eating an unripe persimmon could turn one stomach fast, but in combination, no.

                    2. stevuchan Mar 9, 2011 11:01 AM

                      George's and Sea Rocket Bistro, multiple tries and always a let down. It is unfortunate because I really want to like them.

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                      Sea Rocket Bistro
                      3382 30th St, San Diego, CA 92104

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                      1. re: stevuchan
                        Indirect Heat Mar 9, 2011 04:52 PM

                        +1 on George's. I just don't get it. Nice view, lousy food.

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                          goodhealthgourmet Mar 9, 2011 08:10 PM

                          i haven't been to George's in ages, but in my experience it was always crappy food upstairs, great food downstairs. never understood the disparity.

                        2. re: stevuchan
                          globocity Mar 9, 2011 07:31 PM

                          Not sure Sea Rocket qualifies as a place "everyone loves", you know? I've never been to George's and honestly have no desire.

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                            ekomega Mar 11, 2011 12:54 PM

                            I have enjoyed Sea Rocket in the past, but I find all of their food lacks flavor. Also, they appear to hate salt. A dash of salt would do wonders for their food. The best thing I ever had there was a paella with sausage from the Linkery in it. It was amazing, but especially because of the extra salt from the sausage.

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                            Linkery
                            3794 30th St, San Diego, CA 92104

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                            Lynnester Mar 9, 2011 11:07 AM

                            Cucina Urbana
                            Been a couple of times and just didn't get it.

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                            1. re: Lynnester
                              foodiechick Mar 9, 2011 11:18 AM

                              Cosigned. Keep wanting to love CU, but it just doesn't live up to the hype. We have given up on it based on the noise level alone.

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                                chris2269 Mar 9, 2011 12:05 PM

                                I think Cucina Urbana is great for the apps and wine. I see what you are saying about noise level, but that's not a peeve of mine, but I could see where it would be for some.

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                                  aloha925 Mar 9, 2011 12:12 PM

                                  Totally agree about CU. Been there at least four times, but other than the squash blossoms, I barely remember what I ordered. Definitely not memorable food.

                                  Also agree with Sea Rocket Bistro.

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                                  Sea Rocket Bistro
                                  3382 30th St, San Diego, CA 92104

                              2. honkman Mar 9, 2011 11:09 AM

                                Not liking might be too much (we still go there for time to time) but feeling that it is way overhyped - Cucina Urbana. Food is not bad but we hadn't a single visit when not something was quite disappointing. There are a number of mid-prize restaurant in SD which have better food but are much less hyped.

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                                  mcgrath Mar 9, 2011 11:44 AM

                                  Not trying to pile on here, but the first place that came to mind when I saw the heading was Cafe Chloe. Like the food, but it's just not a comfortable place for me. Don't like the busy street, the size of the tables, the proximity to other diners, and especially don't like the chairs. (It was a revelation that others feel the same about the chairs.)

                                  I'm a big guy and almost dread going in there. In fact, I've stopped.

                                  I get it that the size and location of a mom and pop place are compromises that probably have to be made in order to sustain consistently good cuisine. But I don't have to like it.

                                  I actually cringe when out of towners with sophisticated, upscale tastes are referred there without a description of location, size and ...yes...those chairs.

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                                  Cafe Chloe
                                  721 9th Ave, San Diego, CA 92101

                                  1. SDGourmand Mar 9, 2011 11:54 AM

                                    Burger Lounge, Market, Bankers Hill Restaurant

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                                    1. re: SDGourmand
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                                      RB Hound Mar 9, 2011 03:27 PM

                                      Not to nitpick, but every time that "Burger Lounge" is mentioned on this board there is a lot of debating - I don't think it rises to the level of "everybody likes this place", at least in ChowSpace. Ditto on the Marine Room.

                                      Surprised to see a lot of Cafe Chloe remarks, though, based on what I've read in this group. Maybe a lot of people take it easy on them because they are one of the best of a boring lot? :)

                                      Also surprised to see a lot of Market refs, though this sounds more like a "bang for the buck" criticism?

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                                      Cafe Chloe
                                      721 9th Ave, San Diego, CA 92101

                                      Marine Room Restaurant
                                      2000 Spindrift Drive, La Jolla, CA 92037

                                    2. DiningDiva Mar 9, 2011 12:01 PM

                                      Las Cuatros Milpas
                                      Bankers Hill Restaurant

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                                      Las Cuatros Milpas
                                      1857 Logan Ave, San Diego, CA

                                      1. chris2269 Mar 9, 2011 12:10 PM

                                        Market
                                        Good but nothing that blew me away.

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                                          karaethon Mar 9, 2011 12:30 PM

                                          Regular Places:
                                          Burger Lounge
                                          MIHO Gastrotruck
                                          Copper Chimney Truck (now defunct)
                                          Spicy City
                                          Chin's (on Miramar) brunch
                                          Izakaya Sakura

                                          "Fine Dining":
                                          Marine Room
                                          Pamplemousse
                                          Donovan's
                                          Market

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                                            goodhealthgourmet Mar 9, 2011 08:12 PM

                                            +1 on Donovan's. i was never all that impressed with the food there.

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                                              mliew Mar 10, 2011 09:40 AM

                                              Interesting that Izakaya Sakura is on your list. What are your criticisms of it?

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                                                karaethon Mar 10, 2011 01:25 PM

                                                Just to clarify, I don't think it's bad persay, I just don't "get" why everyone else seems so enamored with it.

                                                I'll acknowledge that the food is above average to the typical Japanese place, but it's also not as mind-blowingly amazing.

                                                I also have an issue with the price. Whenever I eat there, I always leave unsatisfied in the sense that I'll say to myself "I wish I ate at ______ instead"

                                                For places that fill the _____:
                                                Kaito, Yu Me Ya, Yakyudori

                                            2. Josh Mar 9, 2011 03:26 PM

                                              This is kind of a weird idea for a thread, esp. in a city as small as San Diego.

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                                              1. re: Josh
                                                bizzwriter Mar 9, 2011 03:38 PM

                                                Small? That's interesting.

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                                                  Josh Mar 9, 2011 03:54 PM

                                                  What I should have said is for a city with as small a selection of good dining options as San Diego.

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                                                    bizzwriter Mar 9, 2011 04:24 PM

                                                    That I understand (and agree with).

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                                                  globocity Mar 9, 2011 07:33 PM

                                                  Weird? Not sure I agree. There are a lot of places that seem to have a lot of fans but that a few might not "get."

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                                                  wrldtrvl Mar 10, 2011 09:32 AM

                                                  I disagree about Super Cocina. We live only a mile away and go frequently. A bit hit or miss on some of the dishes but they always are very generous about giving you samples before you make your choices.

                                                  My, "I don't get it" place is The Linkery. Expensive. Crowded. Awful sausages (imho).

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                                                  Linkery
                                                  3794 30th St, San Diego, CA 92104

                                                  Super Cocina
                                                  3627 University Ave., San Diego, CA 92104

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                                                    imrahil327 Mar 10, 2011 09:45 AM

                                                    What did you dislike about their sausages? I've always found them delicious.

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                                                      wrldtrvl Mar 10, 2011 10:23 AM

                                                      To me, must my opinion, the sausages were dry and no better in taste than what I buy at Trader Joe's. Other menu items--more interesting but vastly overpriced.

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                                                        honkman Mar 10, 2011 11:34 AM

                                                        If you haven't done you should try them again now since they streamlined their menu (including no links anymore) and lowered their prices (no dish > $19-20).

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                                                          Josh Mar 10, 2011 12:28 PM

                                                          They still have links, but it's usually just one, not three.

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                                                      SDGourmand Mar 10, 2011 10:27 AM

                                                      Totally agree with you on Linkery. I want to like it and feel I should but I always leave disappointed.

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                                                      Linkery
                                                      3794 30th St, San Diego, CA 92104

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                                                      mliew Mar 10, 2011 09:46 AM

                                                      On my list would have to be Blue Water Grill. Been there twice and while the fish is definitely fresh and high quality the preparation is really bland. Last time I ordered a halibut sandwich with the garlic butter sauce. The fish tasted as though it hadn't been seasoned at all. Fries were pretty much the standard Sysco fare. A couple people had raved about the fish tacos there as well but the tortilla was cold and again it was super bland. At least the price is very reasonable for fresh fish.

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                                                      1. re: mliew
                                                        Josh Mar 10, 2011 12:29 PM

                                                        The thing w/ Blue Water is you have to order off the fresh fish menu, not the big blue one. That stuff up there is all much lower quality, and it tastes like it. To eat well at Blue Water you have to spend money.

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                                                          karaethon Mar 10, 2011 01:26 PM

                                                          I think someone also said it went downhill after being featured on the Guy Fieri show?

                                                      2. Fake Name Mar 10, 2011 02:04 PM

                                                        Lucha Libre.

                                                        Not "getting it".

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                                                        1. re: Fake Name
                                                          jmtreg Mar 11, 2011 12:51 PM

                                                          It was never a great taco shop, but it is a good one, and it has a great craft beer selection. But that place was ruined by "Man v. Food" - its popularity is totally out of whack with its food.

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                                                            kriot Mar 17, 2011 01:38 PM

                                                            Lucha Libre is pretty poor. that place should have gone out of business years ago.

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                                                              jmtreg Mar 17, 2011 05:07 PM

                                                              Okay, now you're being ridiculous. The place is clean, has decent food and an interesting salsa bar, and is relatively cheap. And it sits right next to a bar - by the way, the previous taco shop at that location was awful. At least the owners have some ambition, which given their location, they never needed to have.

                                                              And you know what, I hate this entire thread. The places attacked on this list - Mama Testa, Lucha Libre, Extraordinary Desserts, the Linkery, etc., are all restaurants that have some ambition and are TRYING to do something different.

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                                                              Mama Testa
                                                              1417 University Ave Ste A, San Diego, CA 92103

                                                              Linkery
                                                              3794 30th St, San Diego, CA 92104

                                                              Extraordinary Desserts
                                                              2929 5th Ave, San Diego, CA 92103

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                                                                DiningDiva Mar 17, 2011 05:14 PM

                                                                jmtreg, I get your point but I don't think anyone is "attacking" these places. I've been interpretting the comments to mean that the poster has been to the restaurant and just doesn't "get" why it's so popular. Kind of a "different strokes for different folks" kind of thing

                                                                It doesn't mean one place is better than the other or that one is good and another bad. To me, it's simply a matter of tastes and preferences. I like Mama Testa and Lucha Libre both, I don't like Los Cuatros Milpas. Just a matter of preference, not an inditment.

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                                                                Mama Testa
                                                                1417 University Ave Ste A, San Diego, CA 92103

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                                                                  wrldtrvl Mar 17, 2011 05:15 PM

                                                                  Woah. It's just people's personal opinions. Free country and all that...

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                                                                    kriot Mar 17, 2011 07:01 PM

                                                                    I'm not being ridiculous, their food is not good and all they serve is a cheesy image. You can only rely on the image for so long till you gotta close the doors. There's a long list of places in SD that have tried that. If you dig it, thats cool, i just happen to not dig it.

                                                                    I like Mama Testa and Extraordinary, I agree that they're trying to do something different and thats pretty great. But Lucha Libre's food in my opinion is not as good as mama testa. Am I gonna flame someone for not liking MT? No. Extraordinary unfortunately is all we have here. Heaven Sent doesnt even come close to ED and ED doesnt come close to other places in California. I like it but I agree that they rely too much on large portions and flowers than on the quality. despite that, i'm glad its available here tho, cuz if it wasnt for them there would be nothing.

                                                                    As for Linkery, i've eaten there twice and both times I didnt really enjoy what I had. Not my bag, maybe someone else's.

                                                                    I like this thread btw. I hope the owners of the restaurants read things like this. I hope they know we want better quality.

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                                                                    Mama Testa
                                                                    1417 University Ave Ste A, San Diego, CA 92103

                                                                    Linkery
                                                                    3794 30th St, San Diego, CA 92104

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                                                              juantanamera Mar 11, 2011 06:01 PM

                                                              McDonald's. Dean Loring and Josh may love it, but I've never been impressed.

                                                              1. foodiechick Mar 11, 2011 08:44 PM

                                                                Nine-Ten. Food is fine. Expensive. Atmosphere is meh.

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                                                                  karaethon Mar 12, 2011 02:00 PM

                                                                  ooh yeah I forgot about that one. I never went back after one awful visit.

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                                                                  sdnosh Mar 14, 2011 01:33 PM

                                                                  I'm going to repeat a few places already listed, like Cucina Urbana, The Linkery, and Blue Water Grill and throw on (and ready to duck) Mama Testas. While I like to decor at Cucina, to me the food is just OK and although priced under $20 for many items, it still seems a bit overpriced for what it is: $7.00 for a greasy focaccia the size of two fingers, $17 for a piece of lasagna not much larger. Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking for ridiculous portions of food, just the right balance of food and price. For Cafe Chloe, I've always been so enamored of the food and decor, I've never noticed the chairs. Maybe the key it to have a little extra cushion of your own - like I do!

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                                                                  Mama Testa
                                                                  1417 University Ave Ste A, San Diego, CA 92103

                                                                  Linkery
                                                                  3794 30th St, San Diego, CA 92104

                                                                  Cafe Chloe
                                                                  721 9th Ave, San Diego, CA 92101

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                                                                    mliew Mar 16, 2011 10:04 AM

                                                                    Mama Testas was good a couple years ago, although I wouldn't say it was ever a destination eatery. Haven't been there since the Throwdown episode so I'm not sure if it's gone downhill since.

                                                                    Its really too bad that Food Network has to come and ruin all of these places by featuring them on TV. While I'm sure it's great for business they seem to be unable to handle the volume and new found popularity which is reflected in the quality taking a dive. SD has few great places to eat as it is without FN killing them.

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                                                                    Mama Testa
                                                                    1417 University Ave Ste A, San Diego, CA 92103

                                                                    1. re: mliew
                                                                      Josh Mar 16, 2011 10:15 AM

                                                                      The restaurants do have a choice whether or not they appear on FN shows.

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                                                                        cstr Mar 16, 2011 10:49 AM

                                                                        Most of those places chose to 'pay to play' on FN.

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                                                                    rileypeek Mar 16, 2011 08:50 AM

                                                                    Extraordinary. Desserts. Jesus, what is it with this place? Crowded ALL the time, overpriced, and for what? Orchids and gold flakes atop consistently mediocre cakes. I've had an occasional good cookie, a random good scone, but I also used to live 2 doors away. As a destination, I just don't get the enthusiasm. I tried, ED, really I did.

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                                                                      LaurenZ Mar 16, 2011 08:56 AM

                                                                      There was an interview in the UT several years ago with the owner of ED where she stated that she doesn't even eat sugar or let her daughter have sweets. That immediately put me off ED, plus I agree that its expensive and not all that fabulous.

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                                                                        Josh Mar 16, 2011 10:16 AM

                                                                        Well - as with much of this thread, I don't think ED is particularly well-loved here. It's busy, but so's Cheesecake Factory, and nobody here toots their horn. Except me, of course. :-P

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                                                                          LaurenZ Mar 16, 2011 10:54 AM

                                                                          I actually love the cheesecake at CF. :)

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                                                                            RB Hound Mar 16, 2011 01:28 PM

                                                                            Add me to the "the cheesecake is pretty decent at CF" crowd. It's extra good when you see a huge line of people waiting for tables, grab some at the counter and pay for it within a few minutes, and walk by the people waiting, making sure they see it.

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                                                                          wrldtrvl Mar 16, 2011 11:27 AM

                                                                          ED--too croded in Hillcrest. Downtown--that's not the problem. Expensive, yes. Attitude of servers in Hillcrest shop--consistently terrible, especially prior to the very tragic murder there a few years ago. But, everyone I know still loves the passion fruit ricotta cake. For us, anything chocolate from ED is overkill. I never heard about the owner saying she doesn't eat sugar. But this does not surprise given the overall negative vibes I have always felt there.

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                                                                          berliz Mar 16, 2011 05:35 PM

                                                                          D.Z. Akins - mediocre meat, mediocre bread, poor desserts - Anyone from the East or Midwest cannot like this place, yet it gets awards and crowds.

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                                                                            RB Hound Mar 16, 2011 07:36 PM

                                                                            You'll find few SD native Chowhounders that will sing DZ Akins praises, though.

                                                                            I watch 10 News at 5 AM when I'm working out in the morning, and see their stupid commercial with Ted Leitner, over and over and over again. As difficult as it is to believe, the commercial makes me want to go there less and less each time I see it - like a decaying exponential curve, I suppose.

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                                                                              daantaat Mar 16, 2011 09:02 PM

                                                                              add that anyone who's been to a proper Jewish deli doesn't think highly of this place...

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                                                                                jmtreg Mar 17, 2011 12:25 PM

                                                                                This is the first post in this thread I actually agree with. For the most part, this has all been pointless sniping, but D.Z. Akins deserves the scorn.

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                                                                                  Fake Name Mar 17, 2011 01:02 PM

                                                                                  I don't think it's been pointless at all- I find this thread quite interesting. Whodathunkit- so many people choosing Chloe alternatives because of those silly chairs.

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                                                                                    Beach Chick Mar 17, 2011 01:08 PM

                                                                                    If my ass is hurting while dining, no amount of money or great food is going to bring me back..
                                                                                    We need a 'chair intervention' at Chloe..someone call Dr. Drew 'Lazyboy' to the rescue!
                                                                                    ; )

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                                                                                      Fake Name Mar 17, 2011 01:16 PM

                                                                                      I realize they won't run out and replace all their chairs because of a few snapping and growling and posturing Chowhounds. But it's my sincerest wish that they give serious consideration to seating choices at the NEW place, if that ever happens.

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                                                                                        Beach Chick Mar 17, 2011 01:37 PM

                                                                                        My butt will be happy to test drive seating choices while sipping wine and eating at Chloe..

                                                                            2. kare_raisu Mar 17, 2011 05:29 PM

                                                                              El Zarape for sure.

                                                                              What's the attraction - its almost as bad as El Indio.

                                                                              > Fish is under fried and batter tasteless.
                                                                              > Inappropriate salsas. The green avocado sauce is passable but the others are just plain bad - as are the carrots
                                                                              > The place always feels dirty - and I dont usually care.
                                                                              > They dont even cook/ toast their flour tortillas.

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                                                                              El Zarape Restaurant
                                                                              3201 Adams Ave, San Diego, CA

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                                                                              1. re: kare_raisu
                                                                                Josh Mar 17, 2011 11:04 PM

                                                                                There are things at El Zerape I like, but mainly that's because if you don't eat meat, they're one of the few places with something besides bean burritos. The soy rolled tacos, and potato rolled tacos, for example, are quite tasty. I also do like their arbol salsa. I think it has a nice charred chile flavor.

                                                                                To me, El Indio is in a league of its own, badness-wise.

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                                                                                  Beach Chick Mar 18, 2011 07:12 AM

                                                                                  'The soy rolled tacos'...heart be still..
                                                                                  Those sound fab Josh!

                                                                                  I'm still thinking about those potato taquitos at Aqui es Texcoco...they were hands down the best..

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                                                                                    Josh Mar 18, 2011 08:48 AM

                                                                                    Yeah. They said they make the soy filling themselves, from ground up soybeans with tomatoes and onions.

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                                                                                      Beach Chick Mar 18, 2011 09:25 AM

                                                                                      very impressive..

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                                                                                  mliew Mar 18, 2011 11:56 AM

                                                                                  Ditto El Zarape. One of the worst fish tacos I've ever had. Even Rubios is better.

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                                                                                  El Zarape Restaurant
                                                                                  3201 Adams Ave, San Diego, CA

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                                                                                    DiningDiva Mar 18, 2011 12:39 PM

                                                                                    <sigh> It didn't used to be that way

                                                                                3. kare_raisu Mar 17, 2011 05:38 PM

                                                                                  Mama's Bakery

                                                                                  The bread is good but the rest tastes bland or not so tasty. The Tabasco like hot sauce is terrible too.

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                                                                                    Josh Mar 17, 2011 11:05 PM

                                                                                    Agreed on the hot sauce. In general, I think they've been in a slow, steady decline for years. I understand they changed ownership, and the former owners now have a spot in Hillcrest.

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                                                                                      MrKrispy Mar 18, 2011 09:27 AM

                                                                                      Nice to see I am not the only one that thinks Mama's Bakery has been declining. I used to love that place and would eat there frequently. The last time I went I got a chicken schwarma that was a disaster. It looked like boiled chicken that tasted like it was only salted. Very disappointing, because it used to have a fantastic flavor. Bummer.

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                                                                                        Josh Mar 18, 2011 02:48 PM

                                                                                        Yeah. Very disappointing to see. It used to be so good.

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                                                                                          globocity Mar 18, 2011 09:09 PM

                                                                                          I suspect it was well loved because of the relatively cheap prices, mom-and-pop feel of the business, and that it was the only of its kind in the area. It has been a few years though since I've heard anyone mention this place.

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                                                                                        KirkK Mar 19, 2011 08:51 PM

                                                                                        I think it was good and tasty say..... eight or nine years ago, but it seems a bit dated now. The main aspect of the bread that I like is that's it's made fresh, though Alforon has defintely over-taken Mama's, in both flavor, quality, and is even cheaper in certain cases.

                                                                                      3. honkman Mar 18, 2011 09:58 AM

                                                                                        Haven't tried the original Sab-e-Lee but at least the one in Santee isn't really good. It might be better than some Thai's in SD but that's not terrible difficult. Some of the larbs are not bad but the curries were overly sweet, fish often very dry etc.

                                                                                        1. DiningDiva Mar 19, 2011 10:13 PM

                                                                                          Here's another one I don't get, but everyone seems to think is just swell...the donner kabob place in Mira Mesa. I've tried, I really have. I mean, I can almost walk there from my office; it's close and would make a great lunch option, but dang, everytime I've tiedy it I leave wondering what I missed and what's so great about this place.

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                                                                                            DipCone Mar 20, 2011 07:47 PM

                                                                                            Mine would be Cups, the cupcake joint in LJ. Terrible. I don't get the love there. And I agree with others over Cucina Urbana. I've only been once, but was scratching my head why everyone was so gaga over it. Sure, the polenta and ragu of the day was good, but of the 8-10 items our table tried, only one or two were "on", the rest? Not so much.

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