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Mar 2, 2011 06:29 PM

Top Chef All-Stars - Ep. #12 - 03/02/11 (Spoilers)

At the bar after the last challenge, Richard says he wanted to go to the end with Dale - he's bummed. Tiffany notes that this upcoming challenge is where she got eliminated - and she *can't* go home at the same challenge this time around! Foretelling? Then Mike says he doesn't want to celebrate *too* soon - another foretelling?

Back at the house, Antonia and Carla both predict that Padma will walk through the house door - and she does! She tells them to get their chef coats on and meet her on the roof. Antonia says "Great - she's going to have us base jump off the room and scramble an egg before we hit the ground!" :-)

Nope - no base jumping - they're going to take a ferry over to Ellis Island where they'll meet up with her and the guest judge. But surprise! They find a note on the boat and their Quickfire is to assemble a dish from anything on the boat (mostly snack food!) - and they can cook from "horn to horn", however long that might be/ And when it first sounds, they scramble!

Antonia - puts together a grilled cheese
Richard - a hot dog version of a bahn mi
Carla - an orange salad
Mike - a bread soup with pork rinds
Tiffany - first she made nachos, then she made popcorn with dried fruit

The 2nd horn sounds, and they're done - just barely! Padma and Dan Barber, guest judge, come onto the boat. He's all about the natural foods - but they used all processed foods! LOL

He seemed to like dishes from Richard, Antonia, and Carla. And Carla wins the Quickfire! Richard's ticked off. I seriously thought Antonia's dish might win it. It looked good!

Padma says this will be the last Elimination Challenge in NYC. Using their family history, they are to create a dish that represents their heritage - and Bravo hired a genealogist to research their families to provide them some inspiration! Who brings out their genealogy books? Family members! Carla's and Richard's spouses are there, and the moms of Antonia, Mike and Tiffany show up.

Richard's wife is 5 months pregnant, so it makes it very emotional challenge for him. Meat seems to be his focus, as well as Worcestershire sauce (his family is from there and he loves it!)

Tiffany's going to go with something with okra in it, even though Tom doesn't like it. She says "But he hasn't tried mine yet!"

Carla's great-great-grandfather was one of the last slaves freed in TN. She's going to stick with Southern food.

Mike's background is Italian and Irish - he sticks with Italian and says maybe gnocchi and gravy. His mom says "Oh, I hope nice and light!" LOL

Antonia realizes that the genealogist has discovered that she and MIke be related! Mike says "that's why we fight so much!" Antonia tells her mother about Mike always farting, and her Mom says "That's on your father's side, not mine!" Not sure what Antonia was thinking of going with.

They go shopping at WF, and then they're back at the house, where Mike and Antonia hug it out. They compare genealogy notes, and Mike is shown in his book in PINK SPANDEX in dance school when he was about 6 years old - TOO funny!

They wake up to a DVD on the table...and go outside to see a Toyota, where they pop in the DVD to find out whoever wins tonight gets the Toyota Highlander Hybrid AND a spot in the finals.

They head in the a.m. to Giando on the Water and cook like crazy. The guests arrive - their family members are joining the judges!

First up is Mike with Grandma's Gnocchi with Pork Ragu and Whipped Burrata - everyone likes it, even John Barber, who said Mike's gnocchi were nice and light. Mike's mom said he did better than Grandma! LOL

Next is Antonia, who made Braised Veal with Risotto, Fava Beans, and Broccoli Rabe - also VERY well liked! (And to my eye, it looked SERIOUSLY good!)

Third is Tiffany - she's got that okra! She made Braised Short Ribs with Mustard Greens (cooked down with pig feet), Okra and Oxtail Marmalade. Tom actually *likes* the okra - that's a first!

In a quick pause between courses, Antonia's mother asks Tom Colicchio if they've ever had a Final 5 - he laughs and shakes his head "no".

Richard is up next - he's going with meat and potatoes from his Irish heritage - Braised Short Ribs, Potatoes, Fried Bone Marrow, and Pickled Glasswort (a.k.a. "sea beans" but Richard likes the word glasswort better). Tom says this dish is "alright." "Not just all right - it's ALL RIGHT!" meaning the ingredients are great together.

When asked, Carla's husband says they met on and got married about 8 months later! Finally, it's Carla's turn - she made Braised Pork Shoulder, Fried Grits, and Cheddar Biscuits. And everyone loved it as well - Tom said he couldn't imagine how hard Judge's Table was going to be tonight and Gail Simmons agreed.

The cheftestants all get to say goodbye to their loved ones, and then they're back in the Stew Room. Tiffany tells them that her Mom said *everyone's* food was good. Then Padma comes in and asks to see ALL of them!

Turns out that Carla used liquid nitrogen to get the grits the way she wanted - Gail said "You did WHAT?" and Carla said "I *know!" with a big grin and a bit of a squeal. :-)

Richard's dish "all made sense" per Tom. A story was told by his dish...which seems to be what Richard wanted to do. I think Tom was just blown away by Richard's entire dish.

Antonia's risotto gets rave reviews - Tom said her confidence came through with this dish. Risotto has had trouble being served on TC, and Antonia's version was nothing like what Tom says is often served in restaurants. Hers was spot on.

Tiffany was *thrilled* that Tom loved her okra - he was very pleased. It was "good." Hmmmm....could that be the defining word as compared to everyone else's dish?

Mike's gnocchi were highly praised as was the simple "gravy". John Barber said the flavor was fulfilling without being heavy. Mike gets emotional saying he hadn't cooked Italian food after his grandmother died since she was the one who taught him to cook. Gail tells him that his mother told the table that his grandmother's was the best gnocchi she'd ever had.....until she tasted Mike's.

So - HOW are they going to pick someone to go home? We're back at JT...They are effusive over all 5 dishes, and while Tom says he's going to steal Richard's sea bean idea, Padma said she wanted "more green" from Richard.

Dan Barber gets to announce the winner - and it's ANTONIA! She's been a dark horse for a lot of people here on CH, and you all were right! She gets the Toyota Highlander, and moves on to the final round - taking place in the Bahamas.

Tom says Mike also moves on to the final! And Richard is looking crestfallen - it CANNOT be him! Please!

And we're back at JT - And Padma says "Richard.....Pack Your Knives......You're GOING to the Bahamas! OK, Padma, that's just MEAN! He seriously looked like he was going to lose it right there! He heads back into the Stew Room and says "I'm safe" and Antonia and Mike are thrilled.

So it's down to Tiffany and Carla! Was the foretelling about Tiffany I noted at the beginning be correct? Or will they both be told they're BOTH going to the Bahamas to duke it out there?

We're back for the last time - Tom says it's a tough decision, and looks to Padma. Yup - they're BOTH going to the Bahamas! Antonia's mom's question to Tom was prophetic! They couldn't say goodbye to either of them - it was too tough, Tom said!

They're all crazy in the Stew Room when they find out!

Previews - they're going to go head-to-head against the chef who WON their season - so we see Stephanie Izard, Mike Voltaggio, Hosea Rosenberg (::::gag::::) and Kevin Sbraga. SO glad to see both Mike Voltaggio and Stephanie Izard back!

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  1. hahaha i've never seen someone look as close to throwing up on this show as Richard looked as she told him to PYKA...

    go to the bahamas

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    1. re: mattstolz

      No kidding -- he said what we were all thinking, "Why would you do that to me -- you know I'm crazy already!"

      We know enough about Richard to know how he was interpreting comments like "you told a great story" vs "really soulful". As a southerner of English and Irish descent (among other north-Euro), married to a Jersey guy, I know I'm gonna pick southern soul food or Italian-American over stereotypical English/Irish. Great job overcoming that obstacle!

      1. re: momjamin

        I thought the Italian-Americans had a distinct advantage in cooking from their roots and Richard was at a disadvantage, and my ethnic background is English/Irish.

        And yeah, that was really mean to tell him to pack his knives!

        1. re: Nettie

          In my little family room I screamed when they said to Richard "PYKA" to the point where my family had to point out that he really wasn't going home. I'm much too invested in this silly show!

        2. re: momjamin

          I don't keep up with this or anything too much about TCAllStars.
          Last nights show had the family members on.
          Last season that Tiffany was on, she was engaged to be married, no?
          Where is the ring or the husband?
          Anyone know?

          1. re: iL Divo

            you're right; and they even showed pictures of the wedding at the reunion show.

            1. re: iL Divo

              Was thinking the same thing. Why her mother, not her new husband for a family member.

              1. re: Cherveny

                It was a show about her family line, it made more sense for her mom to be there. Naybe her husband couldn't get away from work. Who knows? The only spouses there were Richad's and Carla's, maybe Carla's mom was unavailable.

                1. re: John E.

                  But also noticed she didn't have a ring on. Now that said, many don't wear rings when cooking but no mention of her husband (I was paying attention to her words).
                  Also she doesn't have the same demeanor to me as the first show, almost like celebrity got to her. I'm sure I'm wrong it's just an observation.
                  My husband and I did note that we both thought Carla's husband seemed a true genuine gem. Very nice man.
                  Also loved the input of the "cousin" information, nice touch to the complexity of the show, another layer. Antonia and Mike now appear happy to hug. With the information about their possible kinship, it changed them both in a + way.

                  1. re: iL Divo

                    I believe somebody (an audience member she was cooking for -- perhaps the beach fish challenge?) asked her whether she got married on another episode of TC 8 and she said yes. It seemed that Season 7 contestants only had 2 weeks between Season 7 and 8. So Tiffany was certainly a very busy lady!

                    And considering that there was only two weeks between tapings, I doubt that she had a chance to let celebrity get to her. It's probably editing.

                    And, yes, I did love Carla's husband! Amazing that they only got married 8 months after meeting! Guess when you know you've met your match, you know.

                    1. re: Miss Needle

                      Angelo only had 2 weeks because he was in the finale in Singapore. The finale is usually shot several months after the other episodes--generally while the other episodes were airing. So Tiffany had a few months break, I believe.

                      1. re: gaffk

                        D'oh! You are correct. So there was plenty of time for her to get married.

                      2. re: Miss Needle

                        yes about the internet match websites. I know several who have met their match online at a dating site of some sort. very interesting.
                        one thing I also know due to a sister who lies, is you must tell the truth on there to have a match. apparently they both said just what they were looking for. I say good for them :)

                        1. re: iL Divo

                          i meant to bring that up - it was so nice to hear Carla's husband tell their story! but did you catch that he said the reason he found her was because he put in some "crazy parameters?" sometimes you've gotta step outside your comfort zone :)

                          1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                            Or maybe just the opposite: they were crazy because he was so specific about what he wanted that he thought they wouldn't yield any matches. Did you ever see "The Wedding Banquet"? This reminds me of the part where the young man tries to get his matchmaking parents off his back by saying something like he wants a woman who speaks five languages, has two advanced degrees and sings opera? And they find her?

                            1. re: Ruth Lafler

                              i did see it - wow, that was a long time ago! i *think* her husband said he did that just to see what kind of results would pop up...whatever his reason, it's a good thing he did it that way or he probably wouldn't have found her. they're a cute couple.

                            2. re: goodhealthgourmet

                              yea, he said he put in wacky things like 5'10 or taller.
                              he got that for sure.
                              I think I read somewhere she was a former model.
                              I like her, she seems very down home genuine.

                              I called my hubby at work this morning and his friend answered his phone.
                              This guy was married for 25 years, no kids, to the love of his life and they got divorced 2 years ago. He's been a mess ever since.
                              So this morning when he answered hubby's phone, he seemed happy.
                              He told me he met a great gal 'online' and they've been together for 2 months.
                              He's in love partially due to internet dating sites.
                              Good for all who find their hearts desires via cyberworld.

                    2. re: Cherveny

                      i think the only reason any spouses were there were in cases where mothers couldn't be. as John E said, it makes more sense to have a blood relative/parent there when the subject is genealogy...but as we learned in the episode, Richard's mom passed away last year so that wasn't an option. perhaps Carla's mom couldn't make the trip for physical reasons...AFAIK she's still alive.

                      1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                        per Carla's husband Matthew, Carla's mother is very much alive, and he was surprised they didn't pick her rather him for the show. I agree he seems like a gem.

                        1. re: karenfinan

                          Maybe they wanted to give the audience a glimpse of the "hoo" to Carla's "hootie"?

                          1. re: karenfinan

                            Yes! A Gem!

                            And a HUGE perk for whatever company matched them.Don't remember which company.

                            I also did some survey on Bravo and said I'd never seen a car ad! Duh!

                            1. re: Shrinkrap

                              it was - because having been on recently i just laughed and thought, well, it works for someone... lol

                            2. re: karenfinan

                              @karen, i missed that, thanks. maybe they thought her husband would be a better judge at the meal...or perhaps Tom just wanted a little more testosterone to balance all the estrogen :)

                              1. re: karenfinan

                                I'm wondering if they decided to use Carla's husband so that Blais wouldn't feel left out being that he is the only one without a mother -- especially since her death was so recent.

                                1. re: Miss Needle

                                  If they did that, they were being very sensitive.

                                  1. re: roxlet

                                    I hope they were being sensitive. It's pretty stressful to just lose a parent and then leave your family for a month and a half to compete on this show. If I was Richard and saw all of my other contestants bonding with their mothers, I'd probably feel really really bad. When I lost my mother, somebody told me that you never get over it -- you just get used to it.

                                    1. re: Miss Needle

                                      That's so true. After almost 30 years, I still miss my mother terribly, but I don't cry over the loss any more! She was only 48 when she died, younger then than I am now. I think of her especially in the kitchen when I make foods that she used to make herself and that I had to learn, and when I make the foods that we used to make together. As I said, I still miss her.

                                  2. re: Miss Needle

                                    That's a really wonderful thought- and I hope that's what happened. I can't even imagine going through seeing everyone else with their mother's so soon after. And yes, as you say below, you don't ever get over it.

                        2. re: mattstolz

                          I thought it was kind of mean to do that. Would have been funnier if they did it to Mike!

                          1. re: jeanmarieok

                            I thought it was more than kind of mean, it was positively sadistic. I was ready to have a heart attack just watching on TV, I can imagine poor Richard! Although I do have to half agree about doing it to Mike - so maybe not totally sadistic. The food tonight looked delicious! I'm really happy that all 5 are going (since they couldn't get rid of Mike) and also VERY happy that Antonia got the car! Finally a win with a REAL prize to it. :-)

                            1. re: KailuaGirl

                              oh yeah, i forgot that Antonia finally won a "real" prize! good for her!

                            2. re: jeanmarieok

                              it woulda just been disappointing if they did it to mike!

                              woulda been so excited that mike was goin home then nooooooo!

                              1. re: jeanmarieok

                                Mean because Richard is such a nervous Nelly, but if I recall correctly, they have done that several times in the past for this last home-base episode, so it's not unprecedented. Doesn't mean that's what Richard was thinking, though.

                                1. re: lisavf

                                  I do not doubt the elves relished this moment to torture the already tortured, worrying machine known as Blais. This was one of my favorite episodes. All the food looked great. Everyone really came through and rose to the challenge. No choking, no chicken heads, though it looks like next week we'll see more kitchen melt downs.


                                  1. re: JuniorBalloon

                                    I'm still laughing at "tortured worrying machine."

                              2. re: mattstolz

                                Bourdain thought he was about to throw up, too -- great line from his blog: "Would have served the judges right had he blown chunks over Judges' Table. It was like a fake execution. And I believe that's a contravention of the Geneva Convention."

                                1. re: mattstolz

                                  *i* almost threw up when Padma did that! so not cool.

                                  1. re: mattstolz

                                    I thought he deserved it after the snide remarks he made about Carla's quickfire win. Yeah, she just sliced some oranges. He just put hot dogs on a bun. The fact that he used a gimmicky cooking method he just happened to have in his bag doesn't make dish any better.

                                    I actually thought Carla had it in the bag when I saw who the judge was, since as she noted, he's all about fresh, unprocessed food and she was the only one who made something with fresh ingredients.

                                    1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                      I agree 100%! My DH looked at me and said, "What? Didn't he just make a hot dog?"

                                      1. re: roxlet

                                        I agree as well. and I thought he came across as a pompous ass, bragging about his whatever gadget he had with him. Very arrogant.
                                        Not liking him as much this time around for sure.

                                        1. re: roxlet

                                          He didn't "just make a hot dog." He also cut it up and gave it a fancy name. :)

                                      2. re: mattstolz

                                        I think it took him TOTALLY by surprise. He looked shocked and ready for the blow but I do agree that it was a silly yet nasty trick, gad, his pulse could have gone irregular :(((

                                      3. Looks like they all did well and they will all move on.

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                                        1. re: Worldwide Diner

                                          I guess Stephanie will have double duty taking on Richard and Antonia.

                                          1. re: tofuburrito

                                            Good point - UNLESS......there is one challenge BEFORE the actual final cookoff that eliminates ONE of them? Yikes. Did we see ALL five in the previews as cooking against the person who won in their season?

                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                              The previews made it impossible to tell.

                                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                                wouldnt be the first time theyve done something like that would it?

                                                1. re: LindaWhit

                                                  But that would mean eliminating either Blais or Antonia!!!

                                                  I have them in my final 2 :-(

                                                    1. re: C. Hamster

                                                      I know - that's why I don't want a "cook-off" between those two either! Me not like!

                                                      1. re: C. Hamster

                                                        It's got to come down to them. And much as I like Antonia I'll be rooting for Richard, who I think is ultimately the most talented contestant.

                                                      2. re: LindaWhit

                                                        i watched the previews again to try and figure it out - the Elves were *very* good about including shots of all five throughout...and the last scene is the five of them lined up in their black chef coats at JT, *but* there's no indication of whether that's after the FINAL challenge...and knowing how the Elves like to play with our heads, i'm guessing it may not be. the intro to the scenes said it was a look at the upcoming challengeS...plural.

                                                        1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                          my husband is very good about always calling the winner as they're about to say who won then who's kicked off.
                                                          this weeks show, he said, you watch, they'll kick off 1 or 2 of them in the quickfire round if there even is one. we'll see

                                                          1. re: iL Divo

                                                            In the past they've always eliminated at least one "finalist" in a preliminary round:

                                                            Season 1 they eliminated Dave
                                                            Season 2 they eliminated Sam and Elia (after that they expanded the final challenge from two to three)
                                                            Season 3 they eliminated Brian
                                                            Season 4 they eliminated Antonia
                                                            Season 5 they eliminated Fabio
                                                            Season 6 they eliminated Jen
                                                            Season 7 they eliminated Kelly.

                                                        2. re: LindaWhit

                                                          meant to watch for that but forgot.
                                                          often times my husband and I have seen by the previews of shows such as this ie. "chopped" they show the previews and you see who's left, in other words, who won the very show you're watching that is only half way through :((

                                                        3. re: tofuburrito

                                                          Imagine if Dale had made it to the finals - it could have been Stephanie versus Richard, Dale, and Antonia!

                                                          1. re: tofuburrito

                                                            yea, I'm not sure how that's gonna work. but it'll be interesting to view for sure.
                                                            can't wait for the Allstar Masters or whatever it's gonna be called. There is one coming up right?

                                                            1. re: iL Divo

                                                              not long to wait -it starts only a week or two after TCAS is finished! (and it's Top Chef Masters.)

                                                              1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                Chopped All Stars also starts *this Sunday* and takes us right through to the first week in it fills in the gap between the TC finale and TCM :)

                                                        4. BTW, where did everyone go tonight? LOL I'm used to seeing about 20-30 posts before I head off to bed...I guess I'll just have to read more tomorrow morning with my breakfast. :-)

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                                                          1. re: LindaWhit

                                                            Blog-reading -- they have 3 up, faster than last week!

                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                              and I am amazed that there aren't already twenty or more comments on the new kissing cousins! (Mike and Antonia)...all that hugging and kissing between the two of them, and Mike saying he hoped to go against his 'cousin' in the finals...well, it made me feel like Richard looked just before he was told he was safe....

                                                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                It just FINISHED in California. I was ready to "click" as soon as soon as it want off

                                                                1. re: Shrinkrap

                                                                  No I knew the West Coasties wouldn't be on while I was online - I was just expecting more from the East Coasties last night. :-)

                                                                  1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                    Long day, tired after a "supersized" episode - but I'm here this morning!

                                                                    1. re: lisavf

                                                                      Ditto on the "long day, tired after the supersized ep", lisa. :-)

                                                                    2. re: LindaWhit

                                                                      I'll be honest much as I liked the cooking aspects, and learning about families, there was not enough "drama" to gossip and bicker about, everybody got shown in a positive light...there is nothing to debate endlesslly!

                                                                      I am ashamed to admit, I was a little bit of a let down when nobody got sent was sort of anticlimatic

                                                                      (On way to confessional to say Hail Mary's)

                                                                      1. re: Shrinkrap

                                                                        I liked the respite from the dramatic Bickersons this episode. Add a few more Our Father's as well, Shrinkrap. ;-)

                                                                        1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                          I'm not really into the played up drama so it was refreshing to get a break in this last episode.

                                                                        2. re: Shrinkrap

                                                                          Yes, half a day after the fact and still no long, tangential threads on fennel and butter or the little wolverine. No wonder I fell asleep mid-episode. (But give me credit, I was actually watching the original airing.)

                                                                          I vote a full rosary for you shrink.

                                                                          1. re: gaffk

                                                                            You may have spoken too soon. Down thread there seems to be a dispute over Sicilian immigrants and whether a good number of them are related.

                                                                            1. re: dmjordan

                                                                              i love it. it's like we're all living in a tenement and you can hear the downstairs neighbors fighting.

                                                                      2. re: LindaWhit

                                                                        Like Shrinkwrap I got on almost right after it ended. I was a little surprised that there weren't more posts up already, but it looks like it's heating up. :-) Hawaii is 2 hours later than California (at least now, it'll change to 3 hours later) so everyone else is already asleep by the time I get to see it.. Of course, when I get up everyone else has already been busy for hours. :-)

                                                                        1. re: KailuaGirl

                                                                          It's always 5 o'clock somewhere, KailuaGirl. :-)

                                                                          1. re: KailuaGirl

                                                                            If you have Dish Network HD you can watch it on east coast time. I'm in CA and watch at 7:00 PST.

                                                                            1. re: tofuburrito

                                                                              It's on Cox cable HD at 7PM also.

                                                                                1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                  I'm on Time Warner, too, but just one step above basic cable. Finances are a little tight these days. :-(

                                                                                  1. re: KailuaGirl

                                                                                    i got a good deal on the bundle, otherwise i probably wouldn't have sprung for it. as much as i love watching programs in HD, the channel selection still sucks so you're not missing much :) i'm debating changing my "tier" so i can get the Cooking Channel.

                                                                        2. what a great idea for a final. I too will be very glad to see Stephanie and Michael V. I loved this episode. I thought the quickfire was fine, but I really loved the elimination challenge. The geneology, the family being there, I thought it was terrific tv.

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                                                                          1. re: karenfinan

                                                                            You posted my thought exactly - this was truly good TV. Good emotional moments without mania or too many tears.

                                                                            When Richard was quizzing his wife on what the critiques of his dish, and Jazmin basically said, "You're safe," I got a knot in my stomach. I felt sure that was the kiss of death for Richard. Whew!

                                                                          2. Incredible episode, so pumped for next episode with sbraga voltaggio and izard

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                                                                            1. re: tldmatrix

                                                                              What, tldmatrix, no Hosea love? Heh Heh

                                                                                1. re: ChefJune

                                                                                  Ewww. You know, I can't watch any of those Leah/Hosea episodes.

                                                                                  1. re: jeanmarieok

                                                                                    I liked Hosea when he consoled one of the girls who was crying - remember that?

                                                                                    1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                      I don't remember that--I think I have blocked Hosea from my memory. I think that may have been TC's most flawed season\winner.

                                                                                      1. re: gaffk

                                                                                        Yes, Hosea and Leah made me sick, and his win was a "really, TC?" moment for me. My next least favorite winner was Ilan, but I didn't care much for Marcel, either.

                                                                                        1. re: mcf

                                                                                          Yeah, Ilan in a season with Marcel and Sam was a travesty. Not a big fan of Marcel or Sam, but I think they were far and away better than Hosea in skills.

                                                                                      2. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                        Sorry maria - you are wrong = it was actually Stefan who consoled Carla as she cried at JT.

                                                                                        Hosea never consoled anyone

                                                                                          1. re: chowser

                                                                                            I think we're all trying to block that memory out.

                                                                                          2. re: NellyNel

                                                                                            Oh, you're right! Stefan was the one i was thinking of that everyone is dreading - but it's HOSEA that's coming on tomorrow night, right? I can't remember anything about Hosea and what people didn't like about him. i can't even remember what he looked like!

                                                                                            edit: ok, just looked him up. remember him now. don't remember him being particularly jerky, tho... not saying he wasn't, just don't remember. all i do remember is the hanky panky with leah.

                                                                                              1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                                I've never understood the hate for Hosea either. Maybe I missed something but all I ever saw was their silly little puppy love, not enough to instill all the ughs and disgust. Sure he wasn't the best chef ever but let it go.

                                                                                                1. re: Joanie

                                                                                                  I didnt mind the Leah/Hosea thing either - (we all tend to act a bit silly when we fall in love)
                                                                                                  but what I didnt like about him was his constant "I just want to be Stefan" attitude - it drove me crazy!!!
                                                                                                  And the fact that Stefan was so much better, but Hosea kept sneaking through.

                                                                                                  1. re: Joanie

                                                                                                    He had a serious girlfriend/she had a serious boyfriend. It all soon ended after the show aired.

                                                                                                    1. re: chowser

                                                                                                      Do you mean the affair?
                                                                                                      I thought they ditched their partners and became a serious couple.(?)

                                                                                                      Thats why I gave them a pass, I assumed it was the real thing....

                                                                                                      1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                        I thought it was more along the lines that their partners ditched them after the show aired (I thought that's what Hosea said about his ex on the reunion show). Anyway, regardless of whether they fell in love on the show, my personal opinion is that if you're involved with someone else, you'd better break up first before you make out with someone new. I'm just old fashioned, not love the one you're with.

                                                                                                        1. re: chowser

                                                                                                          i think most people believe that. but that doesn't mean that sometimes it doesnt work out the other way

                                                                                                          1. re: thew

                                                                                                            Obviously it does and some will take the Appalachian Trail less traveled but I still don't condone it and would be crushed if my husband, or serious bf did it to me.

                                                                                                            1. re: chowser

                                                                                                              LOL. It's the Appalachian Trail never traveled, but the well trod Argentinian rain forest.

                                                                                                              1. re: Phaedrus

                                                                                                                Too funny--maybe they all have tiger blood in their system.;-)

                                                                                                                1. re: Phaedrus

                                                                                                                  ha! Phaedrus, have i told you how happy i am that you've come back to us? :)

                                                                                                              2. re: thew

                                                                                                                Most people don't find out with millions of TV viewers just how they've been cheated on, though.

                                                                                                                1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                  IIRC they (or at least, Hosea) confessed when they got home, long before the shows aired.

                                                                                                                  What's sad is that they weren't "in love" -- they were just stressed and lonely and looking for comfort and companionship. Destroying your long-term relationship is a high price to pay for that!

                                                                                                                  1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                    What a prince he was, eh? I think their partners are the ones who paid the highest price for their lack of maturity and concern for those they'd left behind.

                                                                                                                    1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                      As I recall, Leah was involved as well.

                                                                                                                      1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                        Hence my use of the plurals.

                                                                                                                        1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                          I was refering to your question where you singled out only one of the participants in the pair's sordid behavior.

                                                                                                                          1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                            Just in context; please be assured I found them both equally at fault, and annoyingly immature.

                                                                                                                            1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                              Ok, me too. Did you see my comment above where I said how much fun it would have been if they had brought the significant others to a TC episode late in the 5th season, say episode 10, right after restaurant wars?