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Augie6 Feb 21, 2011 05:13 AM

I am still new to this foodie world..... I have always been into food, but just recently found this so called foodie culture and couldn't be more happy. Although there is numerous (including this site) that just destroys the term f... Why is it such a frowned upon term, did it replace another liked name? I don't see where and why Foodie is bad?

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    fourunder RE: Augie6 Feb 21, 2011 05:21 AM

    My guess is it could be construed to be snobbish or pompous....

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      amyzan RE: fourunder Feb 21, 2011 08:12 AM

      I have the impression "gourmet" is viewed this way, while "foodie" is considered less so.

    2. MGZ RE: Augie6 Feb 21, 2011 06:27 AM

      Personally, I’ve grown to abhor the term. I suppose that is, on the one hand, due to my fundamental hatred of any sort of labels. On the other hand, it is also due to the overuse of what is a rather amorphous term. And, finally, on the third hand (having a third hand often comes in handy), the use of the appellation as self-description by individuals who simply enjoy eating out as a leisure time activity meant, at least in part, as an exhibition of wealth. This pretentious co-opting of the term, I submit, is what may be fueling much of the disfavor for the term among food geeks.

      If you must categorize yourself, Augie6, just be a 'hound.

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        aggiecat RE: MGZ Feb 21, 2011 09:28 AM

        Where can I go to get an extra hand installed? ;)

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          MGZ RE: aggiecat Feb 23, 2011 10:17 AM

          I got mine when I had my tongue implanted in my cheek.

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            Quine RE: MGZ Feb 23, 2011 03:16 PM

            And That was India at the...Oops watching too much Outsourced...

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        beevod RE: Augie6 Feb 21, 2011 06:36 AM

        Like sammich and veggie, it's a juvenile term. Does liking alcohol make one a "drinkie?"

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          rockandroller1 RE: beevod Feb 21, 2011 08:11 AM

          That's hilarious. I don't object to the term, but I think I might also start referring to myself as a drinkie.

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            fourunder RE: rockandroller1 Feb 21, 2011 08:12 AM

            I'm more of a *drunkie*

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              I used to know how to cook... RE: fourunder Feb 21, 2011 08:23 AM

              Some people play golf - I cook. I call it sport cooking. Does that make me a cookie??

              :)

              Lucy

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                fourunder RE: I used to know how to cook... Feb 21, 2011 08:28 AM

                Since you are a female.....yes. My answer would be different if you were a male.

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                  Bob W RE: I used to know how to cook... Feb 21, 2011 08:51 AM

                  Back in the day, the cooks in the military were often called Cookie. See, e.g., Beetle Bailey. It's a very respectable term.

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                    I used to know how to cook... RE: Bob W Feb 21, 2011 09:02 AM

                    Hi Bob,

                    Gosh, I hadn't thought about that in ages. I had a grandfather who was a military cook. His book of recipes is a family treasure! Stuff liking making biscuits with a barrel of flour...

                    Aren't chuck wagon cooks also called Cookie?

                    Lucy

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                      aggiecat RE: I used to know how to cook... Feb 21, 2011 09:30 AM

                      Or Camp cook. I actually was a camp cook for an outfitting company for a hunting season in NM. And wrangler. Boy was my upper body strength good, hefting all that cast iron.

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                        Sharuf RE: aggiecat Jul 5, 2011 10:52 PM

                        In logging camps "cookie" was the title.

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                      EWSflash RE: Bob W Feb 24, 2011 04:51 PM

                      A Beetle Bailey reference= I love it.

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                      alliegator RE: I used to know how to cook... Feb 23, 2011 08:23 AM

                      I guess because I enjoy alcohol while I'm cooking for sport, I would be a "drinkie cookie". I'm sure that'll go over great when I meet new people and they ask me what I do with my time :p

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                        I used to know how to cook... RE: alliegator Feb 23, 2011 09:09 AM

                        Hi Alliegator,

                        Gotta have that glass of wine at the ready for testing pan temps! :)

                        Lucy

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                          Quine RE: alliegator Feb 23, 2011 03:19 PM

                          nope say drunkin cookie, people will think you meant/said dunking cookie and realize otherwise latter. Delayed rimshots are SO much better.

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                            cosmogrrl RE: alliegator Jun 26, 2011 09:40 PM

                            Maybe you're a Drookie?

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                          zuklaak RE: fourunder Jun 29, 2011 06:26 PM

                          facebook term, LIKE!

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                          POAndrea RE: rockandroller1 Feb 24, 2011 07:24 AM

                          Me too. It's much more complimentory than the alternatives!

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                        Harters RE: Augie6 Feb 21, 2011 06:58 AM

                        Can't answer the question. "Foodie" is a badge I'm more than happy to wear and it is always how I would describe myself.

                        To the OP, just ignore those who would wish to denigrate how you might describe yourself - it is a problem for them, not for you.

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                          EWSflash RE: Harters Feb 24, 2011 04:52 PM

                          Harters, I love how you put that. I really do.

                        2. K K RE: Augie6 Feb 21, 2011 08:25 AM

                          I personally love these definitions on urbandictionary:

                          " A dumbed-down term used by corporate marketing forces to infantilize and increase consumerism in an increasingly simple-minded American magazine reading audience. The addition of the long "e" sound on the end of a common word is used to create the sensation of being part of a group in isolationist urban society, while also feminizing the term to subconsciously foster submission to ever-present market sources.

                          Though the terms "gastronome" and "epicure" define the same thing, i.e. a person who enjoys food for pleasure, these words are perceived by the modern American consumer as elitist due to their latin root forms and polysyllabic pronunciations. "

                          and this one

                          "Either a 27 year old woman with a boob job, or a gay man with a great job. Both claim to have many friends that are also foodies. They see Rachael Ray have foodgasms and expect the same from Burger King.

                          They spend too much money trying to emulate food celebrities they see on Bravo, and do ridiculous activities like going out in a party of 10 to a Kobe beef tasting.

                          Essentially, if you call yourself a "foodie", you aren't one; or you aren't what you think it means. A firefighter would not walk up to a burning building, criticize the flames, and proclaim that he and his coworkers are firefighters."

                          and

                          "A politically correct term for a fat person."

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                            fourunder RE: K K Feb 21, 2011 08:30 AM

                            Essentially, if you call yourself a "foodie", you aren't one.....

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                            So true.

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                              Harters RE: fourunder Feb 21, 2011 09:13 AM

                              "So true"

                              Or not.

                              But then I could hardly give a shit about other people's view of me.

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                                Frosty Melon RE: Harters Feb 21, 2011 09:32 AM

                                What other people think of me is none of my business.

                                But if I hear someone call themselves a "foodie" I'm way more likely to tune them out. It's just a knee-jerk reaction.

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                                  Quine RE: Frosty Melon Feb 23, 2011 03:21 PM

                                  "What other people think of me is none of my business."

                                  Love that, can I use it?

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                                    Frosty Melon RE: Quine Feb 23, 2011 03:37 PM

                                    Absolutely. It's helped clear my mind on many occasions.

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                                      Quine RE: Frosty Melon Feb 23, 2011 03:40 PM

                                      TY, just became my Facebook status!

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                                  aggiecat RE: Harters Feb 21, 2011 09:40 AM

                                  Jane Austin user the term epicurean in a perjorative way in her novel "Emma" FWIW so the idea of excessive attention to food being portrayed negativly has a long and distiguished history. Epicure seems to be a loaded term already. Gastronome gets the same taint by virtue of be a "french" term so by association it's percieved as somehow snobbish. Foodie seems patronizing and infantile. I like chow-hound as it's a combination of two very pedestrian terms, chow and hound to form something which means seeking eats that are altogether neither pedestrian nor elitist. I'll consider all food no matter how extravagant or humble as long as it is done really, really well.

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                                    huiray RE: aggiecat Feb 21, 2011 10:35 AM

                                    I find "foodie" a fine term, with a suggestion of a smile behind it. It does not seem infantile or patronizing to me. <Shrug> Obviously YMMV.

                                    Not all people who enjoy good food or fine food are also participants on this forum (Gasp! How Could That Be!! But, I think it is very true) so "chowhound" is not an inclusive term and in fact would be likely to have no meaning to those who do not participate here.

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                                      512window RE: huiray Feb 22, 2011 03:18 PM

                                      The term chowhound to the general populace (US at least) implies someone who is a hearty eater - the "just don't call me late to dinner" boy or girl. People who post here may think that it is a synonym for foodie or goumet, but it isn't.

                                      From my little dictionary ap: Chowhound: 1. a person who eats food in large quantities or with great gusto; glutton.

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                                        EWSflash RE: 512window Feb 24, 2011 04:59 PM

                                        I admit to calling myself a chowhound or hound here, and sometimes I call myself a foodie if I think it will explain me better to people who don't "go there" or know about food on a higher plane.

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                                          Quine RE: EWSflash Feb 24, 2011 05:35 PM

                                          I never use a term for myself here, food-wise, unless I say things like "That's how us ChowHounds roll."

                                          People I know who talk on the same level food-wise, we also do not use a label, we too much else to talk about than to do that.

                                          Times when I forget who I am speaking to and offer up what I think is a simple explanation and get the "gazed over" look ; I quickly go blonde, giggle and say "Oh I am such a foodie."
                                          If a person I admire for their cooking knowledge and skills, called me a foodie, I would deflated.
                                          If a person I admire or respect but was not food centric called me a foodie, I would feel good.
                                          Anything else. well what other people think about me is none of my business.

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                                      flavrmeistr RE: aggiecat Feb 21, 2011 10:39 AM

                                      Reminds me of something I saw in Mad Magazine decades ago--

                                      You call yourself an "epicure"
                                      A term you really dig
                                      How nice you've found a better word
                                      It's got more class than "pig"

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                                        EWSflash RE: flavrmeistr Feb 24, 2011 05:00 PM

                                        No, that's 'gourmand'.

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                                          flavrmeistr RE: EWSflash Feb 25, 2011 02:28 PM

                                          No, that's MAD.

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                                    invinotheresverde RE: fourunder Feb 22, 2011 07:51 AM

                                    I completely and totally agree. It's usually those with the palates I least trust who define themselves as such.

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                                      fourunder RE: invinotheresverde Feb 22, 2011 08:43 AM

                                      Again, so true . I do not profess to have better tastes than anyone and I know there are many who have much more knowledge than I on a broad range of topics discussed here on this site. People who think they have better tastes and know more than someone else...... I just cannot take seriously.

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                                        huiray RE: fourunder Feb 22, 2011 03:33 PM

                                        There are various definitions of "foodie" (Yes, there are) ranging from neutral/positive to derogatory. Perhaps it depends on one's CHOICE of what definition to hew to, or one's particular experiences that were memorably negative.
                                        http://www.google.com/search?q=foodie...

                                        Note that the definitions posted by KK in his post above (http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7674...) are but the 4th and 5th ranked definitions in Urban Dictionary and at first blush seem to be his selective view on the topic. The 1st through 3rd definitions which he disregarded/did not mention are positive/neutral.
                                        http://www.urbandictionary.com/define...

                                        It would seem that you and some others share in the viewpoints and particular experiences of most of the Yelpers on this link?
                                        http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-francis...

                                        I myself simply don't automatically consider that someone who talks about being a 'foodie' MUST be one who sniffily considers himself or herself as having superior tastes or a superior palate than other people let alone everyone else. However, if this person IS one who blathers on in the sense the Yelpers describe then for me he/she simply falls into a SUBSET of "foodies" who blather. That's all.

                                        I would consider a person who says simply that he or she is a foodie (so long as he/she does not go on and on about it) to be one who enjoys nice food and is interested about what goes into it, both in a good sense. It's a fairly innocuous term to me by itself and I would suscribe to the positive definitions of the term as given in those many dictionary entries linked to in that Google search.

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                                          fourunder RE: huiray Feb 22, 2011 03:44 PM

                                          Your outlook and explanations are valid definitions and possible descriptions.....but my comments reflect and concentrate on the negative connotation and aspect posed by the OP's query.

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                                            invinotheresverde RE: fourunder Feb 23, 2011 02:55 PM

                                            When I hear someone refer to himself as a "foodie", all I can think about are posters on Yelp giving critical reviews of the Olive Garden.

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                                              Tripeler RE: invinotheresverde Feb 24, 2011 12:03 AM

                                              Yeah, I would likely be critical of the Olive Garden.

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                                                invinotheresverde RE: Tripeler Jun 27, 2011 01:15 AM

                                                ;)

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                                                  Tripeler RE: invinotheresverde Jun 27, 2011 10:08 PM

                                                  I grew up in a house built amidst olive trees. We called it an "orchard" -- the "garden" was where the tomatoes were. That's why Olive Garden sounds to stupid to me, for starters.

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                                    Quine RE: K K Feb 23, 2011 03:20 PM

                                    Love those!!!

                                    Urban can be so much fun at times!

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                                    Augie6 RE: Augie6 Feb 22, 2011 06:22 AM

                                    Great Feedback.. I do not really consider myself a foodie , gourmet , or anything .... I was really into going out to eat for GOOD food during my college years ($ permitting). Then got a little into cooking what I experienced at places I ate... Heard Anthony Broudain refer to the term foodie (negiatively) and got exposed to this world about 2 years ago..

                                    I was always explained a foodie like all aspects of food and prepartation. While a gourmet or gastrono is more inclined to fine dinning. (all substantial not fact)

                                    I do not plan on labeling myself a foodie but do like knowing this world exists!!

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                                      HillJ RE: Augie6 Feb 22, 2011 08:17 AM

                                      If you're comfortable calling yourself a foodie than good for you. You could be called worse :)

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                                        EWSflash RE: HillJ Feb 24, 2011 05:02 PM

                                        +1- bravo for the observation

                                      2. gaffk RE: Augie6 Feb 22, 2011 03:42 PM

                                        My favorite quote from my long-ago thesis director (Jack Matthews, in the interest of giving proper citations ;): "Every label is a libel."

                                        1. rockandroller1 RE: Augie6 Feb 23, 2011 09:41 AM

                                          I'd also like to point out that I ONLY refer to myself as a foodie to those who aren't, because it's the only way I can think of to explain it to them so that they understand. e.g. I am meeting a long-time internet girlfriend for dinner for the first time in a couple of months when I am going to finally be in her neck of the woods, and she wanted to know if I wanted to go to a "foodie" restaurant just with her or if she should bring the whole family and we'll go to a family friendly type place instead.

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                                            hyacinthgirl RE: rockandroller1 Feb 24, 2011 02:00 PM

                                            I find that non-foodie types use the term to refer to me when in discussions with other non-foodie types. For instance, when mom is explaining to aunt sally that Outback is fine with her, but her daughter suggested a new small steakhouse nearby for the family outing, it's because her daughter is one of those "foodies."

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                                              Augie6 RE: hyacinthgirl Feb 25, 2011 04:54 AM

                                              That is always the case with my family,hycinthgirl.. Everytime we go to eat they just ask me now!! lol

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                                            MonMauler RE: Augie6 Feb 23, 2011 10:33 AM

                                            I avoid using the term 'foodie' as much as possible because it sounds juvenile to me. Surely, it is because the word ends with the 'y' sound.

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                                              HillJ RE: MonMauler Feb 23, 2011 10:42 AM

                                              If you're wondering whom to thank or blame for its coinage, look no further. According to etymologist Barry Popik, former New York magazine food critic Gael Greene appears to have used it in print first in 1980:

                                              Gael Greene of New York magazine used the word “foodie” in a story on June 2, 1980, and then used “foodie” several times in 1982 and 1983. There were several London-based citations of “foodie” in 1982 and 1983. It appears that Gael Greene’s 1980 “foodie” and [U.S./British author and food journalist] Paul Levy’s 1982 “foodie” were independent coinages.

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                                                ospreycove RE: MonMauler Feb 23, 2011 10:45 AM

                                                Mon....Me too it sounds akin to lets go for a" walkie, and have a drinkey". Please,,,, how about ignoring the superiority of one's palate and suffice to say "Wow that dish is really good".
                                                Not go through the self-important." Oh, the top notes of melty cheese combining with the briny taste of delicately pickled sardines bathed in essence of cucumber juice vinegar all undersauced with a medley of seasonal root fruits,(?).

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                                                  HillJ RE: ospreycove Feb 23, 2011 11:17 AM

                                                  This is so interesting. Some folks think the word foodie is infantile others liken it to snobbery. An adult food writer coined the phrase and society/popular culture used it as they wished. What's the big debate really about?

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                                                    ospreycove RE: HillJ Feb 23, 2011 02:50 PM

                                                    I believe it is perception.

                                              2. EarlyBird RE: Augie6 Feb 23, 2011 03:26 PM

                                                I don't mind the term, "foodie." It's descriptive, and words are simply tools used to describe.

                                                On the other hand, to answer your question, it is that there is often a pretentiousness attributed to "foodies," some times earned and some times just because a person appreciates the difference between Kobe beef and a .99 cent Whopper.

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                                                  flavrmeistr RE: EarlyBird Feb 24, 2011 04:35 AM

                                                  Only a foodie would believe beef is worth 250 dollars per pound.

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                                                    EWSflash RE: flavrmeistr Feb 24, 2011 05:05 PM

                                                    LOL

                                                2. crazee RE: Augie6 Feb 24, 2011 05:49 AM

                                                  I call myself a food snob LOL....mostly because most of my pals are happy with a burger and fries with a side of beer, so it's become a sort of running joke with us. They don't mind fast food and I HATE the stuff.....I'll go hungry before I'll stop for a plate of grease and everybody knows it.. They know if they come here to eat it won't be a normal meal but it will be good. So it's more of a joke than anything, and my defense for not stopping at Kentucky fried or Mc D's no matter who whines about it ;-)

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                                                    ospreycove RE: crazee Feb 24, 2011 06:12 AM

                                                    No Fast Factory made food for me!! As I have stated on Chow before one of my best and most memorable dinners was fresh caught Wahoo, cooked on a driftwood fire, on the beach, sitting on an upside down 5 gallon bucket in Cuba. Just beer, Bread toasted on the fire, and minutes old fish cooked by local kids.....They were TRUE Foodies!!!!!.....LOL

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                                                      crazee RE: ospreycove Feb 24, 2011 08:15 AM

                                                      Sounds like a great meal....fresh fish rocks! I fish a lot, it's a win/win...a great day in the sun and a great meal on my return (well, if I catch anything besides a buzz....LOL). There is something very satisfying about catching, cleaning and preparing your own meal :-)

                                                  2. GraydonCarter RE: Augie6 Feb 24, 2011 01:47 PM

                                                    If you and I met at a restaurant and began a casual conversation, how would we learn we are each members of CH? Not by describing ourselves as "foodies." Probably because we are the only English-speaking people in the place. "Have you tried the Xiaolongbao?" "Oh, yes, last week they were crab-filled. What a surprise!"

                                                    1. Akitist RE: Augie6 Feb 24, 2011 02:19 PM

                                                      My take is that it's someone who feels obsessed with following every new food trend. And wouldn't be caught dead someplace considered dated.

                                                      1. cosmogrrl RE: Augie6 Jun 26, 2011 09:37 PM

                                                        Because it's an overused term that has so many definitions. Even if you do a cursory search of the term on Chowhound, it appears far too often. In fact I found this thread because I searched for the term as the main board has so many "foodie" requests and it irritated me. This is a food board. We are looking for good food. Telling me you are a "foodie" gives me little or no information about what you want to eat. You obviously want to eat good food, just tell me what kind you want.

                                                        Given all the definitions of foodie out there, the only thing I could say definitively about a "foodie" is that they don't lie to eat at chain restaurants.

                                                        Basically, foodie is so overused and abused as a term, it's lost it's meaning.

                                                        Nw excuse me, I have to go back to being a Bon Vivant. ;)

                                                        1. tommy RE: Augie6 Jun 28, 2011 03:58 PM

                                                          Words aren't nasty. People are. I'm unsure why anyone would have a "problem" with a word.

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                                                            flavrmeistr RE: tommy Jun 29, 2011 07:15 AM

                                                            It's not the word, it's the connotation. Yuppie, preppie, foodie--the connotations applied to these are somewhat derisive. But, like all labels, they're mostly meaningless.

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                                                              chickendhansak RE: flavrmeistr Jun 29, 2011 07:44 AM

                                                              Not to mention "veggie" when used meaning vegetarian: another slang term that makes a serious daily commitment, whether to principles or just dietary preference, sound like a juvenile whim. When vegetarians themselves use it (and I've lost count of the number I've met who do) I feel they're implicitly belittling not only their own efforts but those of others too.

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                                                                MGZ RE: chickendhansak Jun 29, 2011 07:49 AM

                                                                You and flavrmeister are really just reiterating the point. "Guns don't kill people, . . ."

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                                                                  flavrmeistr RE: MGZ Jun 29, 2011 01:12 PM

                                                                  ...people with guns kill people." Right?

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                                                                    ospreycove RE: flavrmeistr Jul 1, 2011 05:25 AM

                                                                    or....people with kitchen knives..........

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                                                                      flavrmeistr RE: ospreycove Jul 1, 2011 06:16 AM

                                                                      ....or people serving trans-fats.

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                                                                        ospreycove RE: flavrmeistr Jul 1, 2011 07:25 AM

                                                                        also, "fake truffle oil" on farm raised Tilapia..........

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                                                                  Augie6 RE: chickendhansak Jun 30, 2011 01:23 PM

                                                                  Being a vegetarian is a serious daily commeitment? What is so serious about it?

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                                                                    MGZ RE: Augie6 Jun 30, 2011 01:27 PM

                                                                    Choking down those vile faux meats requires a serious commitment.

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                                                                      pikawicca RE: MGZ Jun 30, 2011 02:06 PM

                                                                      I know many vegetarians who never eat faux meat.

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                                                                        MGZ RE: pikawicca Jul 1, 2011 03:07 AM

                                                                        Indeed, and I bet we both know many meats who ever eat faux vegetarian.

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                                                                gaffk RE: tommy Jun 29, 2011 05:09 PM

                                                                Or, as my master's director liked to say, "Every label is a libel."

                                                              3. pikawicca RE: Augie6 Jun 29, 2011 05:33 PM

                                                                It isn't.

                                                                1. thew RE: Augie6 Jul 1, 2011 04:40 AM

                                                                  Because some people are hung up on minutia, and others can only elevate themselves by denigrating others

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                                                                    HoosierFoodie RE: Augie6 Jul 1, 2011 07:42 AM

                                                                    Didn't know it was.......or I probably wouldn't have included it in my screen name.....

                                                                    1. LorenM RE: Augie6 Jul 1, 2011 06:14 PM

                                                                      I look at it the same way I look at cycling. I have ridden bikes all my life- nice bikes, cheap bikes, expensive, road and mountain, BMX and hybrids and know a LOT about bikes. I have enjoyed all of them. I never bought all the fancy-pants outfits, $400 clip-on shoes, etc. But then again, I don't need to because I have done bikes my whole life and consider myself knowledgeable, am a good rider and do it every single day I can and most of all- love it!. All I need is a bike and some good weather. Can I beat the pants off a weekend warrior in a spandex suit? I do it all the time.

                                                                      Same with food, in fact I became a sous chef and cooked professionally for a few years and consider myself a food enthusiast, impassioned and like it all from some tasty fast food to fine dining. I don't always buy the latest, trendiest or even the best, but damn if I can't put out some damn good food and have fun doing it! I think it is in the passion to pursue it that makes one a "foodie". It's not about impressing or anything else, it's just because I love to do it.

                                                                      1. Withnail42 RE: Augie6 Jul 2, 2011 10:16 AM

                                                                        I think it has become a negative(ish) term because many times the people using it are more interested in style over substance. I've refereed to my simple minded SIL(The woman considers reality shows a new source.) previously. She calls herself a foodie. (She 'discovered' the term last year. and decided it applies to her.) When she goes to a restaurant she does not care about the food. For her being a foodie is the scene. This frumpy, misanthropic, soccer-mom wants to be in the center of the action at a trendy place that happens to serves food because she's a 'foodie'.

                                                                        Not to harp on her, although I could easily go on all day, but more often than not people like her are the rule not the exception.

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                                                                          thew RE: Withnail42 Jul 2, 2011 12:57 PM

                                                                          i disagree with that assessment entirely. almost everyone i know who calls themselves foodies are INTO food. myself included

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                                                                            huiray RE: Withnail42 Jul 2, 2011 02:15 PM

                                                                            Like thew, I disagree respectfully. "Foodie" can mean a panoply of things ranging from those genuinely into food and how it is prepared etc as well as those who are interested only in the "scene" aspects. It needs further clarification on one's part as to which type of "foodie" an acquaintance is through further conversation etc. It is NOT a negative term by default and those who do consider it to be so I think need to widen either their circle of acquaintances or their idea of folks into food who need some sort of description to identify their culinary interests.

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                                                                              nkeane RE: Withnail42 Jul 3, 2011 09:15 AM

                                                                              "but more often than not people like her are the rule not the exception."

                                                                              well, it kinda of would have to be more often than not to be a rule right?;-)

                                                                              anyways, the thrust of what you are saying is pretty much what I think. Although I may have to downgrade how many people are like your SIL, it doesn't take very many to seem like a majority. I apply the 90/10 rule to "Foodie"......10% of people that use the term for self description make the other 90% look bad. Such is life.

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                                                                              OenoV RE: Augie6 Jul 2, 2011 10:29 AM

                                                                              I don't find "foodie" to be negative however, I can see why some people might find it to mean snobby. I love visiting restaurants recommended to foodies because it helps me to differentiate between what I find to be a good dish and what others feel is a gourmet dish.

                                                                              1. Bill Hunt RE: Augie6 Jul 4, 2011 09:23 PM

                                                                                I did not realize that "foodie" WAS a "nasty term." Maybe I missed the memo?

                                                                                Hunt

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                                                                                  invinotheresverde RE: Bill Hunt Jul 5, 2011 07:00 AM

                                                                                  Bill, I've personally found that most people who are really into food just don't refer to themselves as foodies. As a somm, I know more people into food/wine/restaurants/gardening/etc. than I can count; none of them call themselves foodies.

                                                                                  Putting it into terms I know you can relate to: how many people really into wine do you know who call themselves wine connoisseurs/winos? It's usually the Pinot Grigio/Opus One (insert "fancy" bottle of choice here) crowd, right? The people I've met who are the most passionate about wine simply state they like wine.

                                                                                  To me, those who are really knowledgeable about something don't have to advertise.

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                                                                                    tommy RE: invinotheresverde Jul 5, 2011 07:22 AM

                                                                                    Very broad strokes there. I have no problem being referred to as a "foodie." And I'll also refer to myself that way if I think it helps whatever communication is occurring at that moment. The word has never done anything to me, so I can't say I think it's a nasty word.

                                                                                    1. re: invinotheresverde
                                                                                      huiray RE: invinotheresverde Jul 5, 2011 07:29 AM

                                                                                      I thought you said (once, elsewhere) that your hubby said you don't listen to anyone. :-) ;-)

                                                                                      I wonder if these folks felt no need to describe themselves to you precisely because they would have known (or assumed) they did not need to since they were dealing with you as the sommelier who (I presume) works in a food-centric environment. Do you know what they would say or how they would describe themselves in a concise or informal way if they were conversing with other strangers who were clearly not involved with a food and wine environment? Just wondering.

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                                                                                        invinotheresverde RE: huiray Jul 5, 2011 08:08 AM

                                                                                        Quite possible.

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                                                                                        invinotheresverde RE: invinotheresverde Jul 5, 2011 07:58 AM

                                                                                        Extremely broad strokes, yes.

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                                                                                          bob96 RE: invinotheresverde Jul 6, 2011 12:16 AM

                                                                                          It was a little easier when there were "gourmets" and "gourmands", or a bonne gueule or buon gustaio" etc--an implied difference in position and status, between the possibly overbearing and class-driven pedant (gourmet) and the red-cheeked bon vivant who likes to eat a lot of good food, and knows what it is and where to get it. Also, I think the diminutive "ie" sends a message of derision; I don't know the first use of the term, but I'm betting on some magazine or newspaper trend article, the kind that ends up killing what it discovers (or invents).. I'm of the mind to avoid all such monikers: I like to eat and drink well, to cook with care, and to know enough to make it possible. Dat's enough for me,

                                                                                          1. re: invinotheresverde
                                                                                            Bill Hunt RE: invinotheresverde Jul 6, 2011 09:40 PM

                                                                                            For me, "wino" works very well, but then, that is just for me. I only would use that term for my closest wine-drinking friends - they know who they are.

                                                                                            Hunt

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                                                                                          Floridagirl RE: Augie6 Jul 5, 2011 07:38 PM

                                                                                          I am 57 and started getting into food when I was 20. There were no foodies then. There were plenty of people, just like myself, who were just trying to live ok. I grew all of my own veggies, raised goats and made all home made dairy products. Also, all home made bread. Now it's called farm to table or some crap like that as though it's new. So, who cares what some magazine editor calls it, people have been foodies since the dawn of time. The non foodie is new, people who eat food from a box or never cook, etc. Not cooking is the new thing, it's just that some people are better cooks than others and that has always been the case as well.

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                                                                                            Augie6 RE: Floridagirl Jul 6, 2011 07:32 AM

                                                                                            I really never thought of it like that.. it makes sense ,,, hopefully the farm to table movement will help spread some knowledge

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