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Are the Bakers and Pastry Makers the Peacemakers?

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I've noticed that the bakers and pastry makers on TV all seem to be very gentle, patient people. I can see why bakers need patience, and pastry makers, too.

Do you think this observation rings true? Do you know bakers that don't fit this stereotype?

Does your personality direct which type of food-creation that you do?
(I'd say in my case that baking is not my main focus because I don't need the calories that are in most kinds of baked items; nor is it "worth it" because there are just two of us to eat. Also, it seems that I would need more space in my kitchen to do baking).

<And sauté-ers are the Type "A" group? LOL>

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  1. Thank God for the pulsating grip of the gluten
    as we seek to the flour and give it good knead.

    Done in a peaceful and exercised journey to times of the dough atavistic.
    Shoulders and elbows conjoin as we think back and join with the wheat.

    There is touch with those cultures that maintain a daily community oven
    and find rhythm of daily of breaking of bread.

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    1. re: FoodFuser

      Thank you, FoodFuser.

    2. I'm guessing you never watched Top Chef Just Desserts? Baking requires precise measurements and tends to draw more anal retentive people who want to do that. And, yes, I'm a "baker" type.

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      1. re: chowser

        Agreed on Just Desserts. That show did not make pastry chefs look like "gentle, patient people"!

      2. I bake. Lots of bread and sweets. But I do not fit the mold (har)! I am neither patient or precise.

        The person toting the wine or bourbon is the peacemaker in my dog-eared and tattered book.

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        1. re: Sal Vanilla

          The person toting the wine or bourbon is the peacemaker in my dog-eared and tattered book.
          ~~~~~~~~~~~~
          amen :)

        2. I love to cook AND bake - and I am not particularly patient nor gentle. (Although I will say that I make major exceptions when it comes to my son, children in general, my getting-on-in-age parents and my pets. :) )

          I do have to be in a particular mood to bake, whereas I am almost always ready to cook. And generally speaking I avoid a lot of fussy decorating etc. I really do not have the patience or the attention span for that kind of stuff. I love looking at such work, such as very intricate piping, etc., and I can appreciate the artistry of it - I just usually can't be bothered.

          1. I enjoy baking, too, and like Sal Vanilla, I am not particularly patient or precise. (Unless it's a birthday cake for a special someone.) My feeling is that bakers may SEEM like the peacemakers because nothing soothes the savage beast like a nice brownie.

            1. Do you know bakers that don't fit this stereotype?
              ~~~~~~~~~~
              me - impatience may very well be my biggest character flaw. but i'm also a perfectionist, which serves me well with details and precision. and then of course there's the spontaneous rebel in me who hates playing by the rules, hence my resistance to following recipes...

              and now i'm going to stop typing before you all start thinking i'm channeling Sybil ;)

              1. My Grandma Kuntz was a baker, from an English and Scottish background, and a high-school English teacher in real life. She understood flour and sugar and yeast and all that, but she did not understand meat at all. She could ruin a hot dog, my dad used to say. Her husband was from a German Mennonite farming family that raised and sold pigs on a wholesale basis. Grandpa Kuntz was a gourmand, a lover of the rich and sharp and flavorful, and an excellent cook. Grandma Kuntz in the kitchen was a bit nervous and rather cranky, though her oatmeal-date bars could charm small boys into utter submision. Grandpa Kuntz was happy in the kitchen, maybe happier than anywhere but flying his little airplane. I like to consider myself his heir in that. I also try very hard to be a peacemaker. Now, Grandma did that by being tactful about other people's shortcomings; Grandpa did it by not worrying about them.

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                1. re: Will Owen

                  I would hope that all family lineage lines would bring down the worth of a Grandma as Kuntz.

                2. I've noticed that the bakers and pastry makers on TV all seem to be very gentle, patient people. I can see why bakers need patience, and pastry makers, too.

                  Do you think this observation rings true?
                  _________________________________________________

                  Nope.

                  1. As a former pastry chef, I can tell you that patience is important, as well as precision, timing. and a certain confidence that knows "the nose knows." But for me the best factor was that work made my mind go free. I did not have the pressures of a line cook, a job which I could never do, and I worked on my own schedule, and on my own, meaning that if I had a lot to do, on Mother's Day for example, I got in early. The EC may have commented and suggested on my desserts, but they were truly my own. The satisfaction of doing a job well, with compliments abound, and having a job that allowed me to think deeply, was absolutely the best. By the way, everyone who works in a restaurant -- line cooks, waiters, etc. cuddles up to the pastry chef. "Samples, anyone?"

                    1. I think I can honestly say that learning to bake was something that taught me patience. And now that you mention it I always get told by my patients that I am extremely gentle when handling them or performing procesures. Maybe I translate to a patient, gentle person when doing things I really care about (ie. baking, nursing) and the rest of the time I am the same ol' crazy, loud Huntress?

                      1. The greatest baker I ever knew was a tyrant, and possibly psychotic. . Always had an unlit cigar in his mouth, mumbled obscenities under his breath and hated mankind. But oh, those brownies and bear claws and .......................

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                        1. re: beevod

                          i was thinking there had to be a couple of wack-jobs to skew the sample. LOL!

                          1. re: alkapal

                            Be not betrayed by sucking on seegars
                            if one gives the flexes of shoulders to wheat.

                          2. re: beevod

                            The one time I worked in a kitchen, the little old lady baker was the shit stirrer of the entire kitchen. Definitely not a peace maker!

                            1. re: beevod

                              That is just hilarious!

                            2. In the commercial environments I've worked in the pastry chefs tended to be very rigid, very anal some tending toward total nut cases. Most of the HR complaints lodged were against pastry chefs - their behavior could be extreme.

                              The bread makers were often more easygoing and had better people skills. They seemed to deal with life in a healthier manner.

                              On the home front it may be a different kettle of fish!

                              1. Silly question. The final word on the subject can be found in the sermon from The Life of Brian. "Blessed are the cheesemakers" was the word, illustrating the lord's preference for those who work with dairy over those who work with other food items. Anyone who believes otherwise is either a heretic or didn't see the movie.

                                1. The road to World Peace runs through Baklava.