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Black bean sauce recipe? (chinese-style)

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michaelngo85 Feb 14, 2011 12:32 AM

Does anyone have a good recipe for how to make a chinese style black bean sauce from scratch? I'd like to do it without using the premade sauces by LKK or whatnot.

I'll probably start with the fermented black beans and fry them up with soy sauce and garlic, salt, sugar pepper. Is it traditional to add oyster sauce as well?

Thanks!

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    fourunder Feb 26, 2011 04:47 AM

    I don't cook enough Chinese to prepare it in advance and store it in the refrigerator for future use. When I plan on a dish incorporating Fermented Black Beans, here is what I do....

    Minimum 30 minutes in advance.....soak FBB in hot water.

    The sauce is like others have suggested.

    Preferred Oil in Wok
    Minced Garlic
    Fine chopped or sliver ginger
    Softened Fermented Black Beans
    Sherry
    Chicken Stock
    Cornstarch Slurry
    Adjust Seasonings to taste or dish....White Pepper, Chilies or Oyster Sauce
    Fine Sliced Green Onions

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    1. re: fourunder
      alkapal Feb 26, 2011 05:44 AM

      that looks good to me! thanks! do you press the beans a little so some "split" a bit?

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        fourunder Feb 26, 2011 05:58 AM

        I have to admit, the thought of splitting a few bean has never occurred to me......I'll have to try it next time. When I have BBS, I like to have some beans along with the protein......more of a burst of flavor experience , if you know what I mean.

        1. re: fourunder
          alkapal Feb 26, 2011 06:09 AM

          when i've had the sauce, more than several beans are a little broken up or "smushed."

          1. re: alkapal
            bushwickgirl Feb 26, 2011 06:51 AM

            I smush 'em slightly with the flat side of the knife, but not totally to a paste, leaving some chunkiness.

    2. Chemicalkinetics Feb 14, 2011 06:14 AM

      I have done it a few time, but I don't think it tastes better than LKK, but it is more laborsome and doesn't perserve well. I think it is one of those thigns that you will do once and twice and realize it is not worth it. Your proposed recipe is fine, maybe a touch of sugar and ginger. What is sugar pepper? I don't think it is traditional to add oyster sauce, but it is really up to you. Oyster sauce is a relatively new invention -- invented by the founder of LKK.

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      1. re: Chemicalkinetics
        bushwickgirl Feb 14, 2011 12:55 PM

        "What is sugar pepper?"

        Ha, chem, I think it's just a missing comma. I agree with you about making it in advance; it's so easy to do for each dish.

        1. re: Chemicalkinetics
          alkapal Feb 14, 2011 04:12 PM

          oyster sauce invented by LKK? never knew!

          tell us more.....

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            Chemicalkinetics Feb 14, 2011 04:18 PM

            Well, technically, oyster sauce came before LKK. In fact, you can say oyster sauce found LKK. Lee Kam Sheung first invented oyster sauce and from there he found Lee Kum Kee the company.

            From wikipedia,
            "The development of oyster sauce is often credited to Lee Kam Sheung, from Nam Shui Village, Guangdong....He started to sell this new invention which turned out to be very popular. So in 1888, he formed Lee Kum Kee Oyster Sauce House to mass produce oyster sauce"
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyster_sauce

            From LKK English website:
            "Lee Kum Kee was established in 1888 when its founder, Mr. Lee Kum Sheung, invented oyster sauce in Nanshui, Zhuhai, Guangdong Province of China. "
            http://us.lkk.com/about/overview

            Chinese baidu website:
            "蚝油是1888年于中国广东省南水乡由李锦裳发明。他创立的李锦记亦继续将蚝油及其他中式调味料推广至全球。"
            http://baike.baidu.com/view/100901.htm

            1. re: Chemicalkinetics
              alkapal Feb 14, 2011 04:32 PM

              i trust LKK brands for quality. interesting about the promotion of oyster sauce -- he didn't really "invent" it in 1888, did he? it wasn't in the cuisine prior to that? hmmmm..... you are a treasure trove cee kay.

              1. re: alkapal
                Chemicalkinetics Feb 14, 2011 05:07 PM

                Alkapal,

                You have flattered me. Oyster sauce is the first product of LKK. In fact, LLK only sold oyster sauce for a long time. You are correct. He formed the brand in 1888. He must have invented probably a few years before. Yes, it is not possible to have oyster sauce much earlier than that. A very humble beginning as a farmer, he ran away from the village because of gangsters. Opened a small eatry...

                http://us.lkk.com/about/overview

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                  bushwickgirl Feb 26, 2011 03:34 AM

                  +1 on the treasure trove compliment. Impressive, as always.

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                  fourunder Feb 26, 2011 06:03 AM

                  i trust LKK brands for quality
                  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                  I'm a Koon Chun Sauce Factory guy. myself

                  1. re: fourunder
                    Chemicalkinetics Feb 26, 2011 07:21 AM

                    I love Koon Chun for its soy sauces. They taste great and with no preservative or any addictives. Very, very basic and true: water, soy bean, salt and wheat flour. That's it.

                    For oyster sauce, I like both LLK and Sa Chen. Sa Chen has very simple ingredients as well: oyster extract (including salt), water, corn starch and caramel.

                    I am not totally against addictives, but if I can get equal quality products, I surely will pick the one with least addictives. The reasoning are two folds. The first reason is similar to most people -- potential health benefits, but the second reason is because of support of traditional basic method. If Koom Chun can make soy sauce without all the favoring and coloring addictives and yet their products taste as good as any others if not more, then it speaks volume about their technique, skill and commitment.

                     
                     
                    1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                      monku Feb 26, 2011 07:25 AM

                      Get "premium" oyster sauce, not "oyster flavored" sauce when available.

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                        Chemicalkinetics Feb 26, 2011 07:28 AM

                        Are you talking about Lee Kum Kee, right? The premium oyster sauce (with old label) vs the value oyster sauce (with Panda label)

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                          monku Feb 26, 2011 08:23 AM

                          Whichever says "premium".

            2. re: Chemicalkinetics
              monku Feb 14, 2011 06:08 PM

              It's worth it to make black bean sauce from scratch and the taste it brings to the dish is much better than the LKK premade stuff. I used to think the way you did, but there's a big difference you can smell when you cook it and the taste.

              It really isn't a lot of work to mash up some fermented black beans, chop up some garlic and add some soy sauce.

              1. re: monku
                Chemicalkinetics Feb 14, 2011 06:23 PM

                Maybe I am just not very good at it. I will try it again.

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                  monku Feb 14, 2011 06:54 PM

                  My mom makes the best shrimp with lobster sauce.
                  Over the years I've been using the LKK in the bottle (it's convenient) to make it and thought it was just fine. Last couple years visiting her I asked her to make it and it tastes better making the black bean sauce from scratch.

                  Comes right down to it the LKK and fermented black beans will both last forever in your refrigerator.

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              michaelngo85 Feb 14, 2011 04:16 AM

              I was also wondering if chicken broth or beef broth is used usually?

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              1. re: michaelngo85
                bushwickgirl Feb 14, 2011 04:59 AM

                I add a teaspoon or so of oyster sauce when I make shrimp with black beans, but not with other proteins. Add ginger, sliced scallions and dry sherry or rice wine to your mix; sugar is optional, I sometimes add a teaspoon. Hot chile paste with garlic, sambal oelek or dry fried chiles are also optional if you'd like some heat. I use chicken stock in black bean sauced dishes and in virtually all Chinese stir fries.

                Rinse your beans and mash lightly or chop, then combine with minced garlic and ginger and rice wine, set aside. Towards the end of cooking, stir fry the bean mixture briefly in a little hot oil and add your vegetables, cook and add in the previously stir fried or blanched protein.

                There's really no need to make the sauce in advance, but if you want to, Ming Tsai's black bean garlic sauce recipe is good, basic and convenient. Makes about 2 1/2 cups, lasts for a few weeks. You may want to divide the recipe down, otherwise you'll be eating black bean sauced everything day and night:

                http://www.ming.com/foodandwine/recip...

                1. re: bushwickgirl
                  alkapal Feb 14, 2011 04:11 PM

                  ooh, thanks b-girl! i have a new pack of fermented black beans just itchin' to get used. i'm thinking...scallops!

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                    michaelngo85 Feb 14, 2011 04:42 PM

                    Thanks for the recipe, I'm pleasantly surprised to see an Asian cooking show, there's so few of them I feel, one is left to his own devices when trying to learn how to cook Asian cuisine.

                    I'll definitely give this one a try.

                    And I meant sugar, pepper. Forgot the punctuation!

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